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So grateful . That was not me this

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afternoon . My name is Miranda Jones .

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I'm representing the George Washington

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chapter for a USA . We are excited to

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host today , the contemporary military

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Your Professional Association . The

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the army and help further the

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on behalf of General Brown A US , A's

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president and CEO and the rest of the A

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USA team . We are so grateful to our

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speakers here today and we are , are

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glad to hear their words of wisdom . I

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would now love and I'd be so honored to

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turn it over to our moderator , General

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Martin Dempsey .

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Well , thanks . Thank . Can you hear me

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the mi mi uh There we go . There we go .

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As an old crooner , I can always tell

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when the microphone is activated . Um

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Thanks for being here . I , I

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personally , um obviously , I've had a

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few years in the army , retired in 2015 .

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The only thing I stay actively engaged

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in in retirement with regard to the

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military is this , this idea of

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professionalism because I really , uh

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uh first of all , you know , that what

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holds us together uh as

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individuals with the hardest of jobs to

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do for our country is the fact that

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we're a profession and with all of that ,

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that means . And it has to , in my

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judgment , it has to be continually

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earned and reared and refreshed so that

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we never lose sight of , of that basic

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um that foundation on which everything

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else is built . I'm gonna , let me tell

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you how this is gonna work . I'm gonna

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introduce my fellow panelists here . I

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hope . Well , actually , you , I

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shouldn't have to , but it's sort of

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protocol to do that . So I'm gonna

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introduce them and then they're gonna s ,

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uh , um , speak , you know , briefly by

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way of introducing themselves to you ,

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uh , and explaining why they're

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passionate about this topic . And then ,

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um , I have some questions that I've

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prepared that I want to ask them from

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as the moderator . And then we're gonna

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ask you to submit questions and we're

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gonna take questions from you . So ,

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you know , uh I , I really encourage

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you to do that because we know what

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we're interested in . This is a very

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complex subject . We know what we're

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interested in , but it's probably more

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important fundamentally that we know

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what you're interested in as , as you

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lead . And , you know , you probably

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saw the , you know , me reacquainting

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myself with proteges , you know , uh

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the thing about retirement that is

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really joyful is getting to watch your

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proteges become the leaders of the army

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that , you know , you invested so much

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time in what in your career ? Speaking

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of that , the first person I'll

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introduce to you is a protege who has

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done OK , I mean , you know , more or

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less , um Gary Britto , the thir the

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18th trade out commander , um

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who spent his entire career um in

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positions of responsibility on both the

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tactical but importantly , on the

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institutional side . In fact , our

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first contact was when I was the

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commander of Trade and , and Gary was a

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member of , of my staff . And um I was

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really very happy to see him

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matriculate if you will uh through all

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some very tough jobs on the

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institutional side and end up as the

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trade out commander . And as you know ,

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the , the professionalism line of

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effort , if you will for the chief for

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the secretary uh is uh is prof is the

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professional aspect of our , of our

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force . And so we're , we're really

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happy to have you here today . Gary MS

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Corey uh Corey Weathers is a um

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clinician . She'll tell you she's very

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humble . So you really have to dig to

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figure out her impact on our army .

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It's significant . She's a military

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spouse . They're currently stationed at

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Fort Cavazos . Uh She's a clinician .

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Uh she's a uh educator . She's

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passionate about generational shifts in

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our culture and has just written a book

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about that very topic , military

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culture shifts . She did not ask me to

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do this , but I am recommending that

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you read this book because one of the

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Chiefs uh core principles is this

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idea of transformation in contact .

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You've heard him talk about it . I , by

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the way , I think that's a , a very

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powerful way of thinking about the

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challenge we have to transform in

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contact . We're very busy . You should

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probably know that better than I at

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this point . Um And the profession has

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to keep pace and the profession is

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built on kind of three things . It's ,

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it's things that are codified in law .

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It's a professional ethos and it's our

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culture and Corey is very articulate

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about the challenges to that culture ,

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but also the opportunity . So thanks

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for being here , Corey start in first

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class Leighton uh Summerland uh

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infantrymen by trade and currently

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working on the Harding project , which

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is the chief staff in the army's

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initiative to try to bring our

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publications and doctrinal literature

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and so forth to life . I applaud that

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effort because I tried to do it when I

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was trade out commander and I , and I

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think I swung and missed and as you

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know , not completely , but I , I maybe

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fouled it off , I guess . Um , but I ,

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I do think there's a lot of uh

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potential there because , you know ,

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content , the things we deliver um

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can be made interesting . And so why

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can't we make it come to life ? And so

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he's here with us and that has impact

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on our deep impact on our profession as

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well . Ok . First thing I wanna do is

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let them introduce themselves now a bit .

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So let me start by asking you each in

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turn to tell me why are you here

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upstairs when you could be on the

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exhibit floor looking at all the really

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cool technology that's out there uh

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that most people by the way are drawn

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to at , at events like this . Well ,

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sir , thank first of all , thanks for

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the warm remarks . If anybody has

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pressure being number 18 to sit next to

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number 13 of the trade I commanded ,

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but we'll continue to be awesome

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together . I think I'd like to thank

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first of all those attending today , uh

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leaders of all ranks and all commands ,

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our civilian a secretary as well

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represented here today and some of our

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allied partners . So , so thank you ,

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sir . Uh One of , I'm honored to be

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part of this . And if I may borrow a

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phrase from our current chief of staff

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that this focus area , the army

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profession deliberately was listed last

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because it underpins the three above it

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and you look at it this way and , and ,

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and , and my , my thoughts that the

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army profession is that first layer of

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bricks which will continue to build a

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strong army house on . And that is why

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I think this is most important . And

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although we're on nine months out from

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our 250th birthday , there's no reason

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that the army profession should not

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continue to be nurtured and paid

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attention to , not unlike your backyard

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garden or anything that you take care

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of . Whether that's continued nurturing

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because of the contemporary , the

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operational environment that we all

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face or the pace of innovation or

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generation Z A , whatever you want to

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call it , that is volunteering to serve

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our army and I would offer up that as

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we continue to nurture and grow and

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develop that armor profession , that

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first layer of bricks , it's really an

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obligation that we have with the moms

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and dads that are supporting their

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young daughters and sons to join . And

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the same for those non commissioned

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officers and officers that continue to

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join and lead our army as well . And

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obviously rounding all that expertise

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out in our army are civilian

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professionals . So I would offer up

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that our armed profession requires 24 7

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attention nurturing because our

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profession is what we're known for ,

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what we're good for and what we're

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respected for . And I'm really happy to

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be part of this effort . Uh Thanks Gary

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Corey . Yeah . So , first of all , when

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I heard that you were gonna be

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moderating , I was really hoping that

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you were gonna um help us with the

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unicorn song . So , so that's one

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reason why I'm excited to be here , but

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no overall . Um I'm really passionate

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about this topic as far as how do we

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recruit ? How do we train up ? How do

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we keep ? Um our , our soldiers is

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obviously important to everyone , but

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that is becoming more and more

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challenging as generational shifts are

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happening as values are changing , as

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recruiting becomes a little bit more

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challenging . And I think everybody in

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this room , if you're in , you came in

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for a variety of reasons . But one of

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those was professional development ,

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maybe it was leadership , maybe it was

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also financial security and some of

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those other things , maybe it was to do

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some of the really great fun , techy ,

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cool things that we see downstairs .

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But I mean , I think all of us stay

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because we love this community . We

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love what it instills in us , hopefully

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what it instills in our kids as well

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and we can't continue to build that

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kind of community to retain that kind

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of community . If we don't keep looking

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at and evaluating , how do we train ,

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how do we teach , how do we evolve our

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teaching and training as the culture

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evolves outside of the institutions so

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that we can , we can recruit those but

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also retain them as well . So , thanks

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start in first class Summerland . Uh

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Yeah . So , uh again , thank you for uh

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thank you for this opportunity to both

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of you guys uh super appreciative and

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uh so to answer your question directly ,

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you know , why are we , why am I here

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versus uh downstairs playing with all

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the toys ? Um I am incredibly

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passionate about uh strength in the

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profession . Uh I think it's one of the

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most fundamental things that we can do ,

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kind of like uh General Britto said ,

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you know , it is that bottom layer uh

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that everything else is built on and it

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cross cuts every other focus area that

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the chief has . Uh So I think it's

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incredibly important . Um I , I wish

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that personally I didn't , I didn't

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really realize how much I cared though

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until , uh , my daughter was born . And ,

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um , you know , at that time I was a

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drill sergeant down at imco . And , uh ,

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you know , I come from a very long line

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of military family members . Uh , one

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of which is in the audience . I , he's

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gonna be upset that I'm pointing him

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out but my dad's here . Uh , yeah .

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Yeah , right here . And , uh ,

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yeah , um , so on his side , we come

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from a , a rather large uh military

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family , uh , mostly army , a couple of

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air force , my brother's in uh uh navy

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as a sub mariner . And , um , so when I

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was a drill sergeant and my daughter

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was born , it made me think , you know ,

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here in 18 years there's , there's a

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high probability that she's gonna join

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the military and , uh , just by

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statistics , right ? And , uh , so

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as a drill sergeant , I kept looking at

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my trainees and I'm like , ok , these

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are the , these are the soldiers that

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are going to be my , my daughters , you

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know , first sergeants or CS MS or ,

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you know , future officers . And , uh ,

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so I , that , that kicked me into high

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gear and , uh I started self studying ,

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I don't come from the most uh

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prestigious academic background , but ,

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um , I started self studying everything

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from professional development and

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leader development . And uh , uh I've

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written about it and I've tried to

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import it into the army as much as I

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can . So , and I think that's why I

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ended up here . Yeah . Well , that's

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great . And thanks for sharing it with

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us . We , we , we're , we're , you know ,

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we're blessed . We get America's sons

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and daughters and , and uh we only get

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them if their parents are , are willing

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to share them with us as , as you all .

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Well know , especially those of you

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that have served in that recruiting

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command I should have mentioned right

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at the beginning . The , this is a

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really interesting panel to me because

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of um my initial experiences in the

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army , I came in to West Point in 70

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graduated in 74 a conscript army until

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73 . 73 is when the all volunteer force

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came in . If we'd had a panel in 1970

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let's say about professionalism , you

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would have had nothing but officers

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sitting on this panel because in the

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conscript army , it was the officers

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who were considered to be the layer of

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the army that was considered

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professional . I don't know if you knew

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that , but you can go back and you can

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go back and take a look at that and you

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will discover that I'm right , not all

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the time , but I'm right about this one .

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The reason we've got this panel

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organized and , and manned in this way

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is that , you know , now you've got an

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o you've got the Officer Corps , you've

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got the noncom commission off score .

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And you got military families because

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that is now the way we define our

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profession . And so this panel is

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purpose built to reflect a change that

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has occurred over the last 50 years in

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the way we look at ourselves as a

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profession . That's one of the things

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Corey points out is , you know , when

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you think of our profession , we don't ,

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we don't change the way the , the , the

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constitution is written and the role of

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the military and civilian control . We

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don't change the relationship and our

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willingness to , to accept the

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authority of civilians appointed over

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those things are constant . We actually

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don't change too much in the way we

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think about loyalty and selfless

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service and duty and , and , and

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courage , the content that we deliver

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changes . But the fundamental ethos

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doesn't change that much . What does

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change is the , is the culture actually ,

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I mean , look , when I came in the

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military , no women , not , not hardly

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any . And the ones that were , there

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were in a very much in a supporting

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role and look , look where we are today

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uh in terms of , of the way that women

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are such an important part of our , of

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our force . So with that , I just want

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to make sure you didn't lose sight of

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the fact that this panel is built to

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reflect the challenge of continuing to

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advance our profession . OK . Um

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We're not a profession simply because

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we say we are you um the trade , our

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commander alluded to that . It really

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does take work to make sure that we ,

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that first of all , we who serve , have

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a common understanding of what it means

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to be a profession , but also the

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people , we serve , the people of the

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United States understand what they can

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expect of us as a profession . And as I

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mentioned a moment ago , it's really

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built on three things . Um It's built

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on the foundation of our laws , it's

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built on an ethos , a professional

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ethos and it's built on a particular

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culture . So what I wanna do is ask the

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Commanding General of Trade Act as the

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proponent of the army profession and

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the army professionalism line of effort .

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You're responsible for delivering the

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education and the training necessary

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for our soldiers , non commissioned

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officers , warrant officers and

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officers to understand their

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responsibilities as a profession . How

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are we doing ? I'd say we're doing very

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well and , and General Dempsey , I

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could selfishly say you haven't been in

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a four peter now in trade off . Uh what

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I see in understanding the

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informational environment , the

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operational environment , everything

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and understanding that those who want

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to serve at any rank . It further

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underscores the importance of

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discipline , enforcing professionalism

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and standards based training for the

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soldiers that are joining and the

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soldiers that are in . So I'll say at

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the respect of echelon , private Smith

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gets this in basic basic combat

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training when he or she comes back from

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bo and so forth . We should continue to

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reinforce a profession and , and grow

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that expertise , which is attendant of

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our , of our pro professional at

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National law . Saying for the offer is

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the same for our civil professional and

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underscore the the importance of a war

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fighting culture and an importance of

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the uh uh uh character , commitment and

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character , competence , commitment .

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All three CS are adopted and reinforces

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that as well . And then also in doing

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that , ensure that those serving and

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those that want to serve , know that

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there's something really behind that

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oath that they take and the difference

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between a profession and just a time

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clock job . That's one of them . You

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know , we , we take an oath to defend

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our constitution and I would add to

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that take care of those that were

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serving and the connection we have with

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the community as well . Very , very

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important . Uh We have values and we

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have ethics uh again , may separate you

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from a normal job to be a profession

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and that has to continually be focused

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at throughout . And if I were to fast

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forward now , uh continuing to nurture

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that the 18 year old , second , well ,

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21 year old , second lieutenant , 18

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year old private is going to see things

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differently , uh has options out there .

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But even with that , when they join ,

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here's your basic blocking and tackling ,

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which you must be good at , not just

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good but really good . Understand that

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for the , the , the , the , the unity ,

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the cohesion , the discipline , respect

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that it is necessary within our

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profession and the responsibility you

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may have in some of your own self

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development , which is key and a key

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part and what the institution has in

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building that initial warfighting

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readiness that our army needs and our

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chief definitely needs now as our army

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continues to transform it very , very

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quickly . And that's not only to give

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it what I will call matching capability

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with our adversaries overwhelming

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unquestionable overmatch at any place

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we should have to go and all the 200 M

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Os s that our soldiers are going to

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join in . So uh to tie that back to the

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core mission of the training

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organization , education , doctor and

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the whole bit that we own and have on ,

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have on as a command for 51 years . Now ,

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it's important to maintain the

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readiness of our army , the connection

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that we must have with our community

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and not only what we put into the grit

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of the professional through all that

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development , but as an organization ,

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the profession , the policies , the

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programs and others , I just take care

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of all of our families and all of our

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soldiers to ensure that they want to

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continue to serve . That's great . I

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hope we come back to some of this . How

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are we doing now in the Q and A ? You

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know , one of the couple of things that

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came to mind as I , as I'm listening to

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you . First of all , you are competing

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for the attention of the young men and

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women entrusted to our care in an

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information saturated environment . I

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mean , it's overwhelmingly saturated .

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And so the question in terms of , of

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helping young men and women understand

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what it means to be a professional ,

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just gets harder and you and you've got

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to be more persuasive , which actually

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means you got to be more interesting

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than what they might be getting from

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other sources . So that's one second ,

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you know , when you get as busy as the

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army has been , I mean , you know ,

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everybody thinks , you know , Iraq and

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Afghanistan are over , you know , maybe

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the army must be able to take a knee

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now . Well , the last time I checked

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and when I visit places , like for

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Kassa , there's nobody taking a knee

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out there . And , and in that

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environment where you're so busy , you

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can sometimes find yourself paying more

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attention to competence , building

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skills . And , and clearly our army

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needs to be skillful , it needs to be

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competent , but it also needs to have

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character because it's character that

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allows you to live up to the

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responsibilities of being a profession .

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So one thing I wouldn't mind coming

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back to if we have time is , you know ,

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how do commanders balance that drive to

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accomplish a task list of competence

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and yet understand how important it is

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that we , that we instill in young men

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and women and not so young men and

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women , the importance of character

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because at the end of the day , you

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know , it's not just what we do in our

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army , it's how we do it and that's

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where character comes in . Ok . Uh

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Corey . Um I've heard you make the

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important point that many of the young

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men and women who join our army today

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live by a different set of values and

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virtues than , than we hope to have

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them live to in our profession . You've

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also made the point that in a

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profession that depends on critical

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thinking skills , they don't

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necessarily , in fact , probably rarely

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come to us with critical thinking

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skills . And so where do you

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see the , the room for us to address

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these challenges ? Um As you travel

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around and , and uh and study these

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issues ? Yeah , it's , it's a great

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question . Um I kind of wanna go back

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to what you just said about character

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and competence because one of the

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things that um I think we all would say

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that we value both of those . Um We

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both need competency in our force today .

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Um But we also def definitely wanna be

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led by people with character , like

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solid character , right ? And so the

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next generation , especially Gen Z ,

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it's one of the biggest values that

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they have actually when you look at ,

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when I look at um what do you value in

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a leader like what you look for in a

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leader , what we see , um let's say in

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the boomer generation across the board ,

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everybody says honesty , everybody says

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integrity . But as you get closer to

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Gen Z , you start seeing words like

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competence , competence is very

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important to them when you think about

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they are like you said , in a w we all

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are in a world of just information

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saturation and they are raised in that .

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And so they're looking for leaders to

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be competent in the information . Can

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you make sense of the information that

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I have access to ? So competence is

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very important to them and something

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that they're looking for in leaders

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looking for in mentors looking for in

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their education . But you hear also

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that Gen Z desperately wants to be part

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of an institution and under leadership

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that they can trust . And I think that

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goes to your character . And so what

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we're really asking here is as leaders

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in our institutions as we train up the

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next generation , as we train up

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ourselves , even , what does it look

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like for us to grow in both of those ?

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So you brought up both values and

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critical thinking . Those are the two

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biggest issues that I get asked across

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the board everywhere is , is does the

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next generation value something

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differently ? Which what we're asking

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is what , what are their values , what

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drives them and what's motivating them ?

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It's probably the number one question I

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get is what motivates Gen Z . Of course ,

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that's coming from some other questions

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of like , how do I get them going ?

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What's their work ethic ? Like , how do

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I get this like passion and drive out

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of them ? Right . And then the critical

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thinking skill , which is how do I

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pause ? How do I think through , how do

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I um do the hard work um that we are

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now giving to a I to do the first level

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for us of thinking , right ? So when we

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talk about values , um we have , we are

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seeing a significant shift and change

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in values . Part of that is normal as

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generations um transition in and out .

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It's just part of normal human

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development a as we transition in

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generations . But we've also gone

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through the largest communication shift

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in 500 years in the last 10 to 15 years .

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So we are all going through it . We all

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have experienced it and it's been quite

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intense and it's continuing to ramp up .

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Um But what I think we're really

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talking here when we say values is ,

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and what I'm seeing is everybody

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actually values the same thing across

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all the generations . Like I said , we

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see integrity as being a number one

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value for everybody . Everybody in this

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room would probably say your family is

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very important to you . Value family

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time . Everybody would probably say

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succeeding in their of is something

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that you value . So we all value in the

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we all value the same things . But what

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we're seeing is conflict as we value

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things in different order . If that

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makes sense , that's what creates

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conflict in marriages . It's what

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creates conflict in parenting , what

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creates conflict um with your

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colleagues . And even in leadership is

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we all value the same things . We just

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sort of valuing them in a different

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order . And so as far as what we can do

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better , I think part of it is that

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we've got to recognize that we all

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actually have differences , but we also

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have similarities . So I'm trying to

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encourage leaders to lean into , with

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curiosity and ask what sounds like a

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very obvious question of what do you

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mean by that word ? When you say you

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want empathy in a leader , when you say

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say you want family time , when you say

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that you value competence , whatever

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those value centric words are go the

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next step and ask the question , what

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do you mean how would you define that

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word ? Because part of it is that we

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value it in different orders , part of

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it is that we define them in different

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ways . And so leaning in with that

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curiosity and then I would say um be

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open to those values that are shifting ,

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we are seeing and this is where you go .

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You're gonna hear me say a million

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times . I use the phrase evolve or

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educate . That's the big question right

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now is like we don't want to change too

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much ? And are we changing too much in

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standards and all these things ? I'm

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not here to say what you should change

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or what you shouldn't change . But I am

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saying that as values shift and the

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language around them shifts , what can

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you evolve on if it's something you can

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evolve ? Let's talk about how do we

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evolve family time . How do you

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encourage people to take respite when

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they can we are in an interwar period ?

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This may be the closest time we ever

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have to peace time . So when the next

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generation is saying they want more

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family time , can we evolve our

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thinking on that ? And if it's not

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something , if the issue is something

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you cannot evolve on , then how do you

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educate a mentor instead ? Do you have

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that competence to be able to share ,

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instruct mentor , teach them , evolve

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their thinking and educate them on

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something they do not understand . Um I

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think the last thing that I'll just say

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on the critical thinking is that's a

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big question I get um is that we're

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seeing the next generation and we're

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seeing that across the board ,

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corporate wise too , 34% in the

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corporate world . They're saying um Gen

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Z is showing up out of college age um

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with a lack of ability to critically

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think and analyze . And so what I would

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argue is I think our whole society is

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struggling with that right now , the

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more we have information at our

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fingertips , the more choices we have ,

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the more um we are all looking for

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those easy buttons where we can think

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less work smarter , not harder . And so

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I think across the board , we are all

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struggling with the critical thinking .

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So when you find yourself frustrated

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with that next generation , I would say

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cri use your critical thinking to

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address that topic itself by pausing

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asking yourself , do I struggle with

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this too ? If I'm struggling with this

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too ? How do I pause ? How do I get all

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the information ? How do I challenge my

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own cognitive biases ? How do I look

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for diverse opinions around me ? How do

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I think through the long term

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consequences of my decision and then

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ask yourself , how do I model those

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steps that I just took in my own brain

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to the next generation who maybe has

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not had a chance to learn that yet ? I

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guess the last point is I think we have

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to be careful to not assume that the

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next generation naturally has something

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that is a skill that we're supposed to

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be developing in them as leaders .

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There are some things that we want them

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to just show up and wouldn't it be

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awesome if they all just showed up and

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just worked like we want them to work ?

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But the truth is , is being a leader

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means we've got to figure out who do we

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want them to become and then who do I

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need to be in order to help you become

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who I see you can become , that's who

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we get to be as leaders and see that in

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them before they see it on themselves .

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Yeah , I like that . And you know , the ,

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the I , you , you've said trust , you

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probably don't even realize it , but

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you've said trust at , at points in

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your answer to both questions . The

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first one and that one , you've ,

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you've touched on trust and , and

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that's really the goal to have a , to

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establish an environment of trust

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between leader and led , right ? And

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you know , you also touched on one

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other thing I want to highlight for all

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of us , which is sometimes you have to

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show a little vulnerability yourself .

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You know , when you said , do I

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struggle with this ? Well , if you , of

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course you do because there's some

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problems that everyone struggles with

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and , and I do think it's OK for a

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leader to admit that they don't have

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all the answers uh and get people to

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contribute to help you come to a

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conclusion because then you , you both

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own it . It's not just so get rid of

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the powerpoint is my advice . OK .

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Sergeant first class Summerland . You ,

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I , you have written by the way , he's

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also an author . You have written about

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the importance of making our decisions

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about how we do this thing called

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professionalism , Actionable , which I

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really think is the key . I mean , we

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can you know , we can take this Rubik's

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cube and twist it and turn it , but at

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some point you got to make the thing

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line up , right . So , what are your

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thoughts on how to make the study and

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the uh and the , and the inculcation of

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our profession actionable ? Yeah . So ,

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um I , I think if I had to pick one

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thing that would be the most actionable

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or um drive this further , the mo the

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furthest the most would be um focusing

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on the direct leadership . And what I

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mean by that is that , uh you have to

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take ownership of it , right ? So , um ,

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stop , uh at , especially at the , uh

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the level that I'm at what I often see

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at every different installation that

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I've been to , uh whether it was JB LM

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Hohenfels , Fort Moore or , uh you know ,

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now Vicenza , uh there's a lot of

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people , you know , you mentioned it

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just a minute ago , they want , they

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want an easy button and uh oftentimes

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the easy button is , uh looking up and

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saying , hey , can you fix this ? Right ?

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My soldiers are uh in disciplined or ,

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uh , you know , they're struggling in

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this but , but I don't wanna take

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ownership of that . Um So focusing on

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uh myself making sure that I'm a better

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leader because the only way that you

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can instill those types of traits into

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somebody else , right ? All the traits

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that you just mentioned , um , we , we

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could have answered the , the questions

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and it was , uh , it sounded like you

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were reading the article that I wrote ,

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uh , last year . Um , but , uh , you

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know , so clearly defining exactly what

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we think , what , what we want in a

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soldier , whether that's , uh , you

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know , somebody who's disciplined ,

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ambitious , gritty , um , and , uh ,

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you know , grateful for the things that

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they have , uh , you have to embody

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that and that can't be done through ,

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you know , that's not something that

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happens through policy that , you know ,

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general brittle can impose or , or

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enact , right ? Uh That comes from the

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person that is , is right above you or

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right next to you . Uh You know , I

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think it was Jim Rone who said , uh you

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know , show me your five closest

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friends and I could tell you everything

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about you . So the people that you

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spend the most time with , um you know ,

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if we all do that , uh if we all start

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focusing on making sure that we are

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living up to what we think makes a good

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soldier and we have a common

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understanding you , you know , Corey ,

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you just mentioned that as well . Uh If

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we have a common definition of what it

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means to be loyal and we all hold each

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other to that . Well , that's , that is

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hands down the most effective way that

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we can um impart these characteristics

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that we all know to be incredibly

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important onto each other . Well , said ,

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I , I uh I do a little work with

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basketball , uh , with USA basketball

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and I , I heard one of our coaches at

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the under the junior national team

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level , like under eighteens and he

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took all these , you know , young men

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and women from , um , the most elite

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high schools in the country and put

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them together and take them overseas to

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play an international competition . But

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when they come in , you know , they've

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all been the stars of their own team .

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And so , you know , they don't , they ,

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they don't take initially to finding a

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way to co-operate with each other .

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They we eventually get them there . But

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one of the ways we do is we come in and

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the players especially the younger

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players will say this is just too hard .

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This is really hard . And one of the

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one of our best junior national team

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coaches has a saying , yeah , that's

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right . Life is hard . Everything you

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do from this point in your life forward

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is gonna be hard . There is no easy

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button . He said , you know what we

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gotta do , we gotta , we gotta do hard

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better . And I love that quote , you

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know , we got to do hard better . And

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if , if ever there was a profession

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that probably needed that as one of its ,

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its mottos . Th this is it , Gary , I

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think you wanted to add something . Yes .

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Yes , sir . We talked a lot about a

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couple of times on information

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saturated environment and as we

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continue to nurture and approach this

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army professional we've seen over the

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last year or two or six months to a

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year or two . Uh the impacts of the

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information saturated environment on

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the leader . Not only generations ,

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either the young folks that are coming

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in now . So how does that platoon

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leader , company commander , battalion

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command sergeant major , counter

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misinformation that might come from the

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R uh army WTF and impact it has on the

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cohesion of the squad . And then

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looking at the new , the new generation

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Z coming in now , he or she can manage

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their bank account and buy a car

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sitting in their bed uh with

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information they may have . But yet our

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challenge for the new leader , which I

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would ask all of us factor in and lead

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development is how do you take that

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factor and yet build that cohesion that

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we need so that we as an army and

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that's what we're for uh can fight when

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our wars and come back . So challenges

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across all generations and yet the

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proficiency we need in war fighting way

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as we approach developing leaders that

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can act as I be adaptive . Uh Those

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challenges are impacted by the

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environment , other operational things

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that we just need to think about an

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ecosystem , but it doesn't change what

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we're for . It has to fight and win

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good . I , I wanna switch gears a bit

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and uh talk a little bit about um some

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of the cultural changes that , you know ,

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that many of us , even if you're , you

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know , not 72 years old have seen in ,

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in the army over the course of your

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careers . And , you know , there's a

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debate you've probably seen it . This ,

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this is , this touches , it brushes

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uncomfortably close to politics , but

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I'm gonna brush it . I'm not gonna

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actually bang into it . So I want you

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to know that upfront . But there's a

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bit of a debate that , you know , we

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say as an army that the our army

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should reflect the society , it serves .

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Not everybody in this country actually

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embraces that . We say it's important

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to maintain the trust of the American

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people by having our army reflect the

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society it serves . We say it's

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important in developing a professional

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ethos that everyone believes that they

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have an opportunity to serve their

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country if they can meet the standard .

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So we say very strongly that the army

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must reflect the society it serves .

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How are we doing on that ? And , and ,

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and are we , you know , again , back to

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the counter argument . How do you

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respond to that as a trade out

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commander ? I would say , sir , one

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recruiting , recruiting opportunities

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aside which we've done very well over

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the last two years . Uh We should

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leverage the communications nodes into

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our society and I don't care if you're

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from a farm of Wisconsin or New York ,

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Cranberry Bar in Massachusetts like

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myself to help share what the , what

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the army is all about , you know ,

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what's behind that American flag we

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have on our shoulder , what's behind

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the US army tape and really , truly

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share and advertise this is an

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opportunity for you to be part of

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something bigger , to be part of a

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profession , to be part of a cohesive

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team that does fight and win wars and

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that shouldn't go underscored . And by

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the way , we have 200 jobs you can do

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it at , not given a recruiting pitch ,

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but that's what the profession is all

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about . So I do agree uh that it should

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reflect all of society in that the

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opportunities are shared with all of

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society . And yet uh an army that one

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will train you to be a professional

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soldier , whatever respective branch

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you're in to include the lead , of

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course at the respective echelon . But

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yet one that respects your individual

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identity and values that are important

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to you , whether you want to wear

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cowboy boots or crops , that that's

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fine . But when you're a professional

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soldier , you are a professional

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soldier and I won't say it's a

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challenge that we have , but it's just

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a as uh uh an environment or an issue

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that we should all be aware of as we

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bring in our troops as we develop our

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leaders . And as mentioned earlier , as

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we maintain that very , very important

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bond with our communities . And then uh

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Corey mentioned several times , trust

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how we deal with things that so we

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portray to those troops in the

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community and the parents that you can

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trust us to be that profession that

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will take care of the young women that

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continue to join . So I won't say that

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it's not a challenge and a challenge

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impacted by the information ,

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misinformation and good information .

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Uh a little bit . Something that made

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me think about that about 18 months ago .

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Actually , before we received this as a

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focus area and looking at recruiting ,

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I could tell one go story , I guess .

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But it was a mom uh who was there when

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her son decided to enlist in the army .

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I was visiting a recruiting battalion

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at the time . She pulled me aside . She

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said this is very , very hard for me .

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I love the army but not my son , but I

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want to support him today . And she

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mentioned since birth , our country has

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been at war and she's right because she

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was about 8 , 19 years old , maybe . So

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I had to put that in perspective on how

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do we build our profession into those

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young men and women who want to join

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and the leaders that are serving today

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and just underscores the importance of

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the professional and the trust that we

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will have in them so they can fight and

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win and come back and what our

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profession and the army will do to take

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care of them as well . And it , it

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really put it in importance in some

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mortar in that first layer of bricks to

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get it exactly what you said it opened

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to everybody in all 50 states and

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territories . Yeah . The reason I

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mentioned it to all of you is again ,

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when I came in the army of conscript

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army , there was no effort to have the ,

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the army reflect the society and serve .

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You know , it was how can we get enough

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qualified conscripts who aren't going

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to find a way to defer , you know , or

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to , or to quote unquote , beat the

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draft . And , you know , our numbers

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back then were we had a million man

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army in 1970 . So the numbers were

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intimidating and there was an

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industrial strength kind of feel to the

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whole thing . Once we went to the old

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volunteer force , we had the option

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then of shaping the military , uh

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because we're recruiting to a much

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lower number . And so we could

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literally shape it . I think we've done

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that extraordinarily . Well , I think

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we are uh exemplary . We are role

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models for the society in the way that ,

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um you know , that you can take people

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from diverse backgrounds and walks of

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life and ethnicities and religions and

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bring them into a common pool . I would

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just suggest that that fight is

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probably one that keeps coming back .

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You know , why do we really need to

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reflect the society reserved for me ?

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The answer is a resounding yes , but it

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needs to be a resounding . Yes , for us

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as a group . Um , Corey , I wanted to

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ask you , uh , again , when I came in

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the army , the probably 25% of the

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force was married and 75 were single ,

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living in barracks , not single soldier

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quarters . And that's flipped on its

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head . Now , so now we've got 75% of

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the military , the army in particular

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is married . How are we doing ? Or do

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you see places where we could do better

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on making sure that we empower them to

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be , you know , we can't hold them to a ,

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to the same professional standard

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because they're not in the army . But

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they probably have as much more to say

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about whether we achieve this thing

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than the men and women in uniform . I

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think we would all agree that they have

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lots to say no , but how are we doing ?

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Um So , first of all , I , I think that

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we are um not only doing ok , but I

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think that the institution is doing the

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best that it can . And I think that's

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really important to understand as , as

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families are advocating for change , as

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we are advocating for things that are

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really important and needs that are

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still there and , and things that still

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need to be resolved . Um I think over

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the course of writing the book and ,

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and doing a lot of the research myself ,

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I really was able to , to really see

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the complexity of the institution

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providing for the needs of families as

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well . Um One of the big things that I

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discovered in writing , like , how did

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we get here is realizing that , you

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know , when the , the dod was just

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beginning , really , this question

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about , should we bring married men

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into the military ? Was there was a lot

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of um debate around that because it was

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the really the big question was if we

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do this , then we may down the road .

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Speaking of critical thinking and we

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may down the road have families that

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are highly dependent on government .

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And is that what we want ? Is that the

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decision that we want to make ? And now

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we're in a place where the duty is

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really spread thin in really trying to

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take care of our families and give them

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the resources . And I'm sure you've

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heard a lot this week , all those

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resources and know about a lot of those

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resources . And yet we still have a

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huge issue with families not knowing

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about those resources largely because

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there's so much digital noise . It's

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hard to break through that noise and

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get that information to them as they

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need it . So I think that we're doing

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ok . But I think that some of the

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things that I'm encouraging the

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institution and leaders to do a little

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bit better is to over communicate again .

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We've got to learn how to break through

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the noise . If there's anything I can

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say , leaders are regardless of level

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what level you're on . Um messaging

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campaigning . When you look back over

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history , when you look back at World

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War One , World War Two , there was

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messaging that was getting out about

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serving your country . And they did it

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without there being the technology that

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we have today . And they did that

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through consistency , they did it

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through kind of picking these really

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important values that are important to

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us . And then how do you um communicate

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that consistently over time delivering

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that same message to get it to them ?

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And that's one of the things I think

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that we can all do a little bit better

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to make sure that the right information

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is getting to your families .

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Understanding how the dod takes care of

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families is very complex . Trying to

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understand where does funding come from ,

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where programming come from ? How does

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the NDA A come into that ? Where is

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Congress in that where it's just very

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confusing and we can't expect our

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younger families especially to

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understand why there isn't a program

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for that , why there isn't a resource

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for that or that there may be a

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resource that they just didn't know

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about . And so as leaders being able to

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understand , at least on a high level ,

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the complexity of that system enough to

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be able to um educate them , going

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again back to that evolve or educate ,

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how do I educate the next generation on

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what the duty can do to support them on

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some of those things . But I do think

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that , um , the last thing is that we

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are seeing shifts in those values in

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younger generation where they're saying ,

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hey , I , I am valuing , let's say my

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spouse working more than we valued that

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in the past . And so that's becoming

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competition for our , our families

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today as they consider either getting

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out or whether or not they're gonna

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even come in . And so those values are

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shifting and also our need for respite

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is huge right now . After going through

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two decades of global conflicts , we

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have an entire cohort . That is um I

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would say our older leaders are

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desperate for respite and desperate for

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healing . And so this is a great time

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for you to lean into that and take care

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of your families . Give them the leave

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if they , if they can take it ,

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encourage them to take care of

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themselves , get the doctor's

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appointments that they need , give them

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that space while we're in this time

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while we have it and examine your sops ,

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examine your family systems . Like if

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something does kick off , what is the

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system that you have in place ? How are

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you gonna get your families together ?

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What are they gonna do ? And are you

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gonna do something different than

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previous generations did now is the

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time to look at those things so that

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you're ready . If something does kick

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off that we have it , if it needs to be

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a new family model or if it's something

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we're continuing from the past , either

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way we're ready to use that when it's

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time . Thanks . Question from the

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audience . Serge Sunderland . Um ,

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because you have established yourself

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as one of the leading voices for making

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whatever we do actionable . Um , so

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here's the question , how do we measure

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whether we are building an effective

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profession ? How do you measure

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professionalism at the brigade level

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and below ? Oh , that's hard . That's

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hard . Yeah , I think , um , so ,

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iii I don't , I don't think there's a

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one size fits all and that's also where

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it gets challenging . And that's why I

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said before that , I don't think that ,

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uh , you know , some major Harris and

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General Brito can , uh necessarily put

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down this blanket cookie cutter metric

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for that . Um Maybe there's ways that

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we can create templates that help

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leaders at , at junior levels . But ,

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um , to measure , you know ,

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professionalism to measure that , you

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know , I think , uh , I think that a

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common understanding , uh , you know ,

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a common definition of what we're

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looking for characteristically . Um And

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then , uh also a local level , common

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understanding of how we're going to

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measure it , you know . So if you're

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gonna measure discipline , you know ,

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you can't , I can't sit here and say

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that Corey is a eight and General Brito

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is a 10 and I'm a five , right ? We

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would all have a different opinion . Um

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But if this was our team , then we can

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all come together and say , well , if

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we act this way , if we do these things ,

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if we , if this is the language that

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we're using on a daily basis , uh and

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we hold each other to account , then

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you can have a better idea of how to

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measure that . Um And then you can ,

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you can codify it , you can put it on

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paper . But , you know , that's , I

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think that's most effective at the

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platoon level , at the company level .

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Uh maybe it starts at brigade and uh

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gets more and more specific as you go

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down . But uh that's why I say it's on

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the individual leader and his or her

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team uh to define what those things

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look like because what I say discipline

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looks like may be very different to you .

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Uh What I say loyal to looks like it

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could be different to you . So that's ,

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that's why that immediate team has to

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have a , a common understanding . So

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one of the other aspects of the

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question was uh

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should one of the characteristics of a

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profession is that it's self correcting .

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So it's accountable and when people are

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fail to meet the standard self

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correcting , which is why we have a

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UCMJ among other reasons . But um

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sir , may I add to that question one ,

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Mr Suling , I was a commander at Fort

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Ben , then Fort Benning , where you

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yourself was an awesome drill sergeant .

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I just want to offer that right , right

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up contributing to our profession , you

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mentioned accountability for policing ,

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uh a building of expertise and

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responsibility within the ranks as well

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and I would offer up , that's a platoon

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battalion and brigade . It's probably a

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little less and less tangible things

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you may be able to look at also uh the

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pride in the uniform that you may have .

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Uh does that platoon sergeant do a

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ranks inspection of the uniform , which

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kind of talks to the professional as

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well , if something goes wrong in

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enforcing standards and just simply

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doing that and some of the actions that

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our unit , the army is taking time now

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to reinforce those pillars of

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accountability , self , uh individual

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expertise and responsibility are ways

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to get at it . And you can , you might

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look at reenlistment which is off the

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chart and that speaks to you . I want

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to be part of this profession in this

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unit and be part of that cohesive team

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as you go on to a different element .

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So a little little less metrics base or

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more commanders in intuition feeling

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based on how you really get at things .

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It could be a flip side of that as well .

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How many complaints do I have ? How

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many trust issues do I have ? Who wants

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to get out ? And you can look at the

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environmental impact of the unit . And

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I would charge to include myself as a

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uh I guess an older leader that we have

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the responsibility to see those things .

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And uh we mentioned trust in programs

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and others so that we can focus on that

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professional . But the re as a

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professional institution can also uh

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look at programs , policies and things

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that impact or satisfy the values and

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norms that folks want today . Time off

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cohesion to , I need to look realist

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assignments . I'm sorry . Uh uh hr C

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assignments to give stability work at

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high school . Ef MP . And I'm

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personally very proud of the time now ,

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progress that our army is making and

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looking at those things . It doesn't

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need to be stagnant , but yet it does

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not change . We fight and win wars .

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One of the things that the questioner

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pointed out is , you know , sometimes

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we don't uh share when , when people

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are relieved or , you know , in , in

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some way , um uh you know ,

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dismissed or discharged or , you know ,

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whatever it happens to be , we are

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sometimes reluctant to share why ? Now

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I understand there's privacy issues and ,

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but the questioner points out that

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one of the ways to build confidence

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that we are actually actioning our

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profession is by pointing out when

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people are uh disciplined by the

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profession for a professional , a

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violation of the professional ethos .

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And um it's a great question . I don't

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know the answer but you have to figure

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that out . OK , I got it . No , it is a

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good question because , you know , I've

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heard that criticism actually Ok ,

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Corey . Um , you recently asked General

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Elson , what would you like to see the

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dod do to earn trust with the force ?

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What do you , what do you have in mind ?

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How if you were him , what would you do ?

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Well , I don't know if I can , could

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speak on that level of what ? I don't

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doubt you can . I , I think that I was

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actually , it's a great question

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because I was thinking about it on this

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topic and , and I don't , I can't give

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some of the solutions . I'm a , a

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spouse and I'm a clinician and I know

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that there's a lot of things that I

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cannot understand fully . I mean , if I

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wasn't in uniform , but I will say one

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of the things that we can do is look at

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across the culture , the American

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culture um in corporations . What are

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examples and lessons learned of other

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brands , other institutions who um are

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also declining in trust . Um We've been

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as a across the board . Institutions

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are declining in trust and confidence

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since the 19 fifties . And so we are at

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an all time low right now . And so we

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can look at other institutions and go

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well , what are they doing to succeed

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and what are those lessons learned ?

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And so I think um one of those things

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that I , you know , I had a chance to

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talk with Austin about was how do we

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create that transparency ? You know ,

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that's behind that question that was

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asked a second ago is that transparency ?

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I think everybody has seen everything

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from cancel culture to um when somebody

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does something wrong , understanding

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fully , what is that ? And then , and

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then if somebody is proved innocent ,

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then how can we help and contribute to

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highlighting that as well ? But I think

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that when we are serving the nation and

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we are servant leaders , it's

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understandable that they're wanting to

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know what's going on and how can we

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trust these leaders and where are those

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moral failings ? And none of us wants

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to be right to cross the coals in the

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public opinion . I understand that as

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well . This is a very complex question ,

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but I do agree that there needs to be

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some level of transparency , there

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needs to be over communication , there

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needs to also be , how do we help each

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other out ? How do we help build up and

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highlight people's character when they

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are getting it right ? If they are

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accused of something that isn't true ,

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how do we , um , back them up in that

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character and help them build that

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reputation back up if it takes a hit ?

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Um , but how do we be friends to each

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other ? How can I ? And yes , the

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institution , I agree has to be about

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fighting and winning the nation's wars

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and deterring future conflicts . That's

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what the institution has always been

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and that's what it's going to be . It's

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not meant and built to be our best

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friend , but we can be the human side

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of that . So that um if there's

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opportunities for transparency and

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lifting each other up , I think we need

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to do that . So I think the short

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answer is , I think open communication

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is a real challenge right now across

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the board . Um and getting away from

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like moral failings and , and some of

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that , I think from an institutional

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level , I think they're working on and

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I had a great conversation with um

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Austin staff about how do we get

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information out in a more transparent

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way ? And that trip that I went on was

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actually a good example where they were

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actually bringing influencers on the

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plane instead of relying on the normal

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press and the normal information and

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the normal in um information

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distribution through their social media

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channels . How do we leverage the

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influencers that are really the

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people's voices , help them have the

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information so that they can help us

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distribute it in an authentic way . And

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so I think they're trying some new

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things and piloting new things . It's

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gonna take us a while to turn the ship .

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But I think the big answer to your

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question is transparency is going to be

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a continuous challenge for us . And yet

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we are going to have to figure out how

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to do it somehow . That would be my

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answer . Now and again , you know ,

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linking that to the , the the frequent

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uh comment that it's all about building

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trust . You know , I , when , when we

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went through , uh , we went through a

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real crisis when I was the chief and ,

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uh , and it carried over when I was

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chairman and , uh , sexual misconduct .

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But sexual harassment all the way to

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sexual assault , sexual assault

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obviously is a crime . Sexual

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harassment is a violation of our

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professional ethos . Um , but why ,

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because it violates the trust that we

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have to have be , you know , be between

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us among us . You know , I , I tell

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people you , you'd be crazy to walk out

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of a fob in Afghanistan on patrol if

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you didn't trust the man or woman to

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your left or right . And yet , you know ,

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we'll get back into garrison and we've

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got these instances of violating our

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trust in each other . And so , you know ,

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to your point , Sergeant Summerland ,

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the , it , it really does start at the

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individual level . You know , every ,

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everybody in uniform , whether it's the

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lowest ranking private or the highest

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ranking general has to take ownership

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of this thing . I , I used to travel

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around and , uh , I , when I was

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talking about ownership , owning the

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profession , I'd say anybody in the

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audience ever wash a rental car . Think

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about that . Let me ask the question .

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Has anybody that you did not , you

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did . That's sick man . That's just ,

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that's just wrong . But you , you see

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the point , you know , nobody washes

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almost , nobody washes a rental car

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because they don't own it . They don't

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have any skin in , they don't , you

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know , they don't really care what

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happens to it . They don't wanna get

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charged for an extra scratch on it or

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something , but they don't own it . The

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difference is we own it , we own it .

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And if you own it , then you've got to

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reflect that spirit of ownership for it .

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Can I , can I just say one last

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response to that , A couple of examples

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of that ownership and transparency ?

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There's a g there's great footage of

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you testifying in front of congress

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when we had um not when we didn't have

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the funding , we were going through the

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Budget Control Act and you said very

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candidly , if you want us to do more ,

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I need more and if , and if you , or if

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you wanna adjust what it is that you're

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asking me to do , then I can adjust

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that , but I cannot do it with what

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I've been given . And , and I thought

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that that was very candid and it's a

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very , I think , authentic example of

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when you find yourself as a leader in a

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place where how do I lead ? But how do

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I lead with honesty and integrity and s

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and speak and use your voice for the

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people that you're leading um Austin

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when he needed to come back and own the

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fact that he probably should have

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disclosed what was going on with him

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medically . That's another example of I

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could have done better , right ? And so

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just yesterday on linkedin , I made a

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comment on a thread and somebody

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challenged me on it yesterday and I had

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to think on it and I had to come back

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and say I could have done better ,

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right ? And so I think that part of

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being a leader and being transparent

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and being open to communication and

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winning the respect and trust of the

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next generation is being human and

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being able to say when you , when

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you've catch yourself , I can do better ,

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I can grow . And that encourages other

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people to grow . And that's an example

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of transparency that used to be

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considered a vulnerability . And today

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it's considered a strength . That's a

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great point . Sheeran Sherlin . Uh

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There's , I'm throwing quotes at your

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left and right here . But that's what

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you do as a general , you accumulate

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quotes and then you torture people with

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them . Um When I was ac GSC

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student graduate , I was graduating and

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we were sitting on a miserably hot June

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day at Fort Leavenworth in wool

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uniforms , of course . And um General

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Otis user commander at the time came

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and he said to us , uh he said , I

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don't really have a whole bunch .

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You've been in , in school for the last

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nine months . Uh You know , I'm not

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sure what I can offer you . He said

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I'll offer you this though . He said I

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carry a card around with me in my in my

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breast pocket and on the card is

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written , when is the last time you

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allowed someone junior to you to change

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your mind about something ? And it just

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reminded me Corey that , you know ,

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sometimes it's hard to remember that

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because , you know , you're getting

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these jobs , you're really busy . You ,

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you also , you know , believe you

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probably know more than you do actually

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when you come right down to it . How do

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you , what's your experience been

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Sergeant uh Summerland on that aspect

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of our profession , the relationship

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between , you know , senior and

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subordinate . We're the only , by the

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way , we're the only profession that

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uses the word subordinate . You , you

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won't see that used , at least I've

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never seen it used anyplace outside the

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military . It's almost pejorative in a

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sense . But how have you seen that

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relationship in your career ? And maybe

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you been yet , you know , where you

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really saw that relationship powerfully ,

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you know , exhibited by someone who

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let's put it this way that you would

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have liked to be like . Um Yeah , at

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risk at uh talking about the person I

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work for right now in a overly positive

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light . Uh uh Yeah , so the

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uh the vignette that I have that is

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overwhelmingly good would be uh the

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position that I'm in right now . Uh

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I've never been in a position quite

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like this where I worked for somebody

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who set the example every day and

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raised the bar . Um uh and it , but I

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have seen , um , in a negative light I ,

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you know , I have seen from a distance ,

01:00:01.927 --> 01:00:03.927
you know , my , my platoon sergeant

01:00:03.927 --> 01:00:05.899
battle buddies who , uh , treat

01:00:06.129 --> 01:00:08.389
officers and their P OS and those , you

01:00:08.399 --> 01:00:10.909
know , as , as a , as , you know ,

01:00:10.919 --> 01:00:12.975
lesser or something . And I've , and

01:00:12.975 --> 01:00:15.030
I've not really seen it go the other

01:00:15.030 --> 01:00:17.959
way . Um , I , I don't really know , I

01:00:17.969 --> 01:00:20.025
guess I don't really understand your

01:00:20.025 --> 01:00:22.191
question though . Well , I'm looking ,

01:00:22.191 --> 01:00:24.413
yeah , I'm looking for an example . You

01:00:24.413 --> 01:00:26.636
and you've given me one on the positive

01:00:26.636 --> 01:00:28.580
side , the negative side is always

01:00:28.580 --> 01:00:28.280
harder because , you know , sometimes

01:00:28.290 --> 01:00:30.600
if you really own the profession ,

01:00:30.610 --> 01:00:32.054
sometimes you put as much

01:00:32.054 --> 01:00:34.054
responsibility on yourself for that

01:00:34.054 --> 01:00:36.389
relationship . Um , but uh it's , it's

01:00:36.399 --> 01:00:38.830
what I was really aiming for or hoping

01:00:38.840 --> 01:00:42.169
to aim for was an example where

01:00:42.510 --> 01:00:46.020
the , that where maybe someone senior

01:00:46.030 --> 01:00:48.086
to you acted unprofessionally and it

01:00:48.086 --> 01:00:51.610
had the effect of either creating

01:00:51.620 --> 01:00:53.620
confusion on . Well , well , how is

01:00:53.620 --> 01:00:55.842
that possible if this man is telling me

01:00:55.842 --> 01:00:57.953
he's a professional , but he's acting

01:00:57.953 --> 01:01:00.120
in this way that it is really contrary

01:01:00.120 --> 01:01:02.176
to what I believe professionalism is

01:01:02.176 --> 01:01:06.149
all about . Uh Yeah , so , you

01:01:06.159 --> 01:01:08.326
know , it puts you on the spot because

01:01:08.326 --> 01:01:10.381
you don't want to just name name . I

01:01:10.381 --> 01:01:12.381
was hoping you weren't gonna so one

01:01:12.381 --> 01:01:15.870
with Dempsey on the end of it . Yeah .

01:01:15.939 --> 01:01:19.110
So uh sergeant John Doe , um my , my

01:01:19.120 --> 01:01:22.199
first uh section sergeant actually , um ,

01:01:22.530 --> 01:01:24.669
you know , it was uh it was kind of a

01:01:24.679 --> 01:01:26.790
rough relationship . We , we deployed

01:01:26.790 --> 01:01:29.530
together but , um , he would constantly

01:01:29.540 --> 01:01:31.860
espouse that we needed to be XYZ when

01:01:31.870 --> 01:01:34.203
he was on the other end of the spectrum .

01:01:34.203 --> 01:01:36.314
And that was , that was always pretty

01:01:36.314 --> 01:01:38.370
challenging , but , uh , uh , not to

01:01:38.370 --> 01:01:37.840
just point him out again . But

01:01:37.850 --> 01:01:40.072
something that my dad said to me a long

01:01:40.072 --> 01:01:42.183
time ago was that you can always find

01:01:42.183 --> 01:01:44.406
good things to pull from other people .

01:01:44.406 --> 01:01:46.628
Uh whether you know , whether they're a

01:01:46.628 --> 01:01:48.850
leader or a friend . And the goal is to

01:01:48.850 --> 01:01:51.017
accumulate as much good as you can and

01:01:51.017 --> 01:01:53.183
leave out all the bad , right ? And so

01:01:53.183 --> 01:01:55.294
uh um so that's my example . And then

01:01:55.294 --> 01:01:57.406
the way that I chose to handle it was

01:01:57.406 --> 01:01:59.461
that I , I said , OK , these are all

01:01:59.461 --> 01:01:59.340
the things that I don't wanna be ,

01:01:59.520 --> 01:02:01.520
right ? And so that , that's what ,

01:02:01.520 --> 01:02:03.520
that's what drove me to work really

01:02:03.520 --> 01:02:05.742
hard to make sure that I wasn't uh that

01:02:05.742 --> 01:02:07.853
example that he was setting , right ?

01:02:07.853 --> 01:02:07.719
Gary , do you wanna ask him ? Yeah ,

01:02:07.729 --> 01:02:09.699
chief in the beginning , we talked

01:02:09.709 --> 01:02:11.709
about the , the nurturing that goes

01:02:11.709 --> 01:02:13.765
into profession all the time . We've

01:02:13.765 --> 01:02:15.765
had our profession for going on 250

01:02:15.765 --> 01:02:18.042
years . But the nurturing is necessary .

01:02:18.042 --> 01:02:19.765
I think part of that continued

01:02:19.765 --> 01:02:21.820
development and grow on the positive

01:02:21.820 --> 01:02:23.598
side of things is , is our lead

01:02:23.598 --> 01:02:25.542
development and what goes into the

01:02:25.542 --> 01:02:27.919
culture and climate of any unit if you

01:02:27.929 --> 01:02:30.096
have the check . Plus on both of those

01:02:30.096 --> 01:02:31.985
things I would offer , you know ,

01:02:31.985 --> 01:02:33.929
specialist John Doe in this case ,

01:02:33.929 --> 01:02:35.762
feels as invited to offer a good

01:02:35.762 --> 01:02:38.060
suggestion by Emperor . Your pants are

01:02:38.070 --> 01:02:40.070
down today as a leader should in in

01:02:40.070 --> 01:02:42.181
creating that environment . He or she

01:02:42.181 --> 01:02:44.237
will take those ideas and , and I'll

01:02:44.237 --> 01:02:46.014
highlight something some , some

01:02:46.014 --> 01:02:48.348
sergeant someone's working on right now .

01:02:48.348 --> 01:02:47.929
The the harding project issue , not ,

01:02:47.939 --> 01:02:50.550
not to praise the program . What is

01:02:50.560 --> 01:02:54.000
done is captain Sergeant , Mr Civilian .

01:02:54.010 --> 01:02:56.850
Mr Civilian feels invited to bring that

01:02:56.860 --> 01:02:59.082
professional discourse in and allows us

01:02:59.082 --> 01:03:01.304
to get better as a , as a freaking army

01:03:01.304 --> 01:03:02.916
and it rolls into leadership

01:03:02.916 --> 01:03:05.138
development . It rolls into the climate

01:03:05.138 --> 01:03:07.138
and the culture that you need . And

01:03:07.138 --> 01:03:09.304
ultimately , I would , I would argue ,

01:03:09.304 --> 01:03:11.193
builds into the trust where I can

01:03:11.193 --> 01:03:13.249
operate in an intent , I can trust ,

01:03:13.249 --> 01:03:15.249
I'll get my job done and I have you

01:03:15.249 --> 01:03:17.471
back and even if a mistake is made , we

01:03:17.471 --> 01:03:19.249
can correct that deficiency and

01:03:19.249 --> 01:03:20.804
enforcing that , that uh uh

01:03:20.804 --> 01:03:22.860
professional environment we need all

01:03:22.860 --> 01:03:24.916
together . And that's that nurturing

01:03:24.916 --> 01:03:27.199
that our profession always needs as

01:03:27.209 --> 01:03:29.431
their operational environment changes ,

01:03:29.431 --> 01:03:31.431
saturated information , environment

01:03:31.431 --> 01:03:33.598
changes . And it feeds into that trust

01:03:33.598 --> 01:03:35.709
that mom and dad are going to support

01:03:35.709 --> 01:03:35.270
their , their troops and leaders as

01:03:35.280 --> 01:03:38.010
well . So I very and again , I'm guilty

01:03:38.020 --> 01:03:40.353
of rose colored glasses . I'll admit it .

01:03:40.353 --> 01:03:42.520
But that , that culture and climate of

01:03:42.520 --> 01:03:44.353
any organization will allow that

01:03:44.353 --> 01:03:46.464
bottoms of feedback up down , support

01:03:46.464 --> 01:03:50.360
servant leadership . Three weeks from

01:03:50.370 --> 01:03:52.639
yesterday where our country will have a

01:03:52.649 --> 01:03:55.120
general election in case you haven't

01:03:55.129 --> 01:03:57.407
been made aware of that . I , you know ,

01:03:57.407 --> 01:03:59.296
I haven't seen any commercials or

01:03:59.296 --> 01:04:01.351
anything that would cause me to know

01:04:01.351 --> 01:04:03.296
about that . But I've , I've heard

01:04:03.296 --> 01:04:05.407
there is an election coming up , um ,

01:04:05.407 --> 01:04:07.518
puts the military . Well , you know ,

01:04:07.518 --> 01:04:09.573
look , you can see that , you know ,

01:04:09.573 --> 01:04:11.796
one of the characteristics of elections

01:04:11.796 --> 01:04:14.199
over probably the last 30 years is that

01:04:14.209 --> 01:04:16.719
each candidate will accumulate a list

01:04:16.729 --> 01:04:20.060
of , of former military . Uh

01:04:20.250 --> 01:04:22.250
thank God , but former military ,

01:04:22.260 --> 01:04:24.260
although I don't personally believe

01:04:24.260 --> 01:04:26.482
they should do that even though they're

01:04:26.482 --> 01:04:28.649
former military , especially at the 07

01:04:28.649 --> 01:04:31.479
and above ranks . But in any case , you

01:04:31.489 --> 01:04:33.656
can see that the , that both sides are

01:04:33.656 --> 01:04:35.860
accumulating a list to make the case

01:04:36.169 --> 01:04:38.391
that our military will be better served

01:04:38.391 --> 01:04:40.391
with one or the other , right ? You

01:04:40.391 --> 01:04:43.879
know that so General Britto , you know ,

01:04:43.969 --> 01:04:46.709
it , it the elections used to kind of

01:04:46.719 --> 01:04:48.830
come and go and they were interesting

01:04:48.830 --> 01:04:51.052
and , you know , for a month before and

01:04:51.052 --> 01:04:52.775
a month after now it's back to

01:04:52.775 --> 01:04:54.663
information saturation . I mean ,

01:04:54.663 --> 01:04:56.608
literally , you can't , you cannot

01:04:56.608 --> 01:04:59.040
escape the political environment .

01:04:59.050 --> 01:05:02.219
Let's just call it that . What advice

01:05:02.229 --> 01:05:04.590
do you have for military members ? Who ,

01:05:04.770 --> 01:05:06.770
you know , they , first of all , we

01:05:06.770 --> 01:05:08.937
know we want them to vote and by God ,

01:05:08.937 --> 01:05:10.992
they've earned that more than , than

01:05:10.992 --> 01:05:13.048
their peers in the rest of society .

01:05:13.048 --> 01:05:15.330
But you know , how do you , you know ,

01:05:15.340 --> 01:05:17.600
in your conversation with your peers

01:05:17.610 --> 01:05:19.388
and with your , you know , your

01:05:19.388 --> 01:05:21.770
personal staff or whomever , I mean , I

01:05:21.780 --> 01:05:23.969
know we , we avoid talking about

01:05:23.979 --> 01:05:26.949
politics until you can't , you know ,

01:05:26.959 --> 01:05:29.015
we used to say Thanksgiving dinner .

01:05:29.015 --> 01:05:31.237
There's two things you never talk about

01:05:31.237 --> 01:05:33.292
religion and politics . Well , guess

01:05:33.292 --> 01:05:36.590
what ? It's almost impossible . And so

01:05:36.600 --> 01:05:38.767
what , how would you , you know , what

01:05:38.767 --> 01:05:40.989
are your thoughts on how the military ?

01:05:40.989 --> 01:05:43.719
Na , let's call it , navigates this ,

01:05:43.729 --> 01:05:47.500
this terrain between now and January .

01:05:47.510 --> 01:05:49.732
Really ? Well , thanks for that , sir .

01:05:49.732 --> 01:05:51.566
And it's something I think we'll

01:05:51.566 --> 01:05:53.510
probably all engage with now , all

01:05:53.510 --> 01:05:55.732
engage with over the last 90 days . And

01:05:55.732 --> 01:05:57.788
I think it's ok to say team , we are

01:05:57.788 --> 01:05:59.788
not political entities . And that ,

01:05:59.788 --> 01:06:01.677
that oath you took was this thing

01:06:01.677 --> 01:06:03.899
called the constitution . Nowhere . Did

01:06:03.899 --> 01:06:05.677
it say parties ? And it's ok to

01:06:05.677 --> 01:06:07.899
reinforce that and it's ok to reinforce

01:06:07.899 --> 01:06:10.010
our , the standards of discipline and

01:06:10.010 --> 01:06:12.177
the standards of behavior that we have

01:06:12.177 --> 01:06:14.343
in uniform as a profession that is not

01:06:14.343 --> 01:06:16.566
representing any one party party on the

01:06:16.566 --> 01:06:18.732
flip side , you know , make it known .

01:06:18.732 --> 01:06:20.954
Yes , please go do your individual vote

01:06:20.954 --> 01:06:22.954
if you should choose to do so . For

01:06:22.954 --> 01:06:25.010
whatever party you choose . When you

01:06:25.010 --> 01:06:27.232
walk out of that booth , you're wearing

01:06:27.232 --> 01:06:29.454
a US army soldier and your oath , um us

01:06:29.454 --> 01:06:31.566
on a uniform and your oath is to that

01:06:31.566 --> 01:06:33.732
constitution and there's Hatch Act and

01:06:33.732 --> 01:06:36.066
other rules that we must follow as well .

01:06:36.066 --> 01:06:38.066
And it's ok to advertise that um in

01:06:38.066 --> 01:06:40.232
full transparency truth and lending at

01:06:40.232 --> 01:06:42.343
a staff meeting a couple of weeks ago

01:06:42.343 --> 01:06:44.399
and at the end of it , I got all the

01:06:44.399 --> 01:06:43.459
leaders on the net . I want to

01:06:43.469 --> 01:06:46.260
reinforce this team . Uh You can help

01:06:46.270 --> 01:06:48.326
voting booths or what have you , but

01:06:48.326 --> 01:06:50.326
you're not doing in uniform because

01:06:50.326 --> 01:06:52.381
your consti that oath you took is to

01:06:52.381 --> 01:06:54.659
that constitution not to any one party .

01:06:54.659 --> 01:06:56.850
And lastly , as whoever should win on

01:06:56.860 --> 01:06:58.916
November 6th , seventh or whatever ,

01:06:58.916 --> 01:07:01.082
it's going to be , our world may still

01:07:01.082 --> 01:07:03.304
demand that we're gonna rock up and get

01:07:03.304 --> 01:07:05.416
on a plane or ship somewhere and keep

01:07:05.416 --> 01:07:07.360
that in mind . So reinforce what's

01:07:07.360 --> 01:07:09.582
behind the constitution , what's behind

01:07:09.582 --> 01:07:11.582
that oath that we are not political

01:07:11.582 --> 01:07:13.860
entities ? Well , that's right . Um It ,

01:07:13.860 --> 01:07:16.469
it , as I said though , it , and

01:07:16.489 --> 01:07:18.979
nobody's gonna disagree with you about

01:07:18.989 --> 01:07:21.322
that . But then when the cameras go off ,

01:07:21.370 --> 01:07:23.481
you know , and a couple of , a couple

01:07:23.481 --> 01:07:25.814
of the fellas and gals are downtown and ,

01:07:25.814 --> 01:07:27.981
you know , having a few beers , it can

01:07:27.981 --> 01:07:30.037
get , it can get pretty , it can get

01:07:30.037 --> 01:07:32.148
pretty , uh heated . And remember now

01:07:32.149 --> 01:07:34.260
this whole panel has been about trust

01:07:34.260 --> 01:07:36.719
really . If we had to distill it down

01:07:36.729 --> 01:07:39.209
in one word , it's trust . So I guess

01:07:39.219 --> 01:07:41.330
that , you know , it's not , it's not

01:07:41.330 --> 01:07:43.108
even a question . It's maybe an

01:07:43.108 --> 01:07:45.219
assertion on my part that I would ask

01:07:45.219 --> 01:07:47.386
you all to think about , which is , if

01:07:47.386 --> 01:07:49.608
trust is the coin of the realm , it's ,

01:07:49.608 --> 01:07:52.810
it's , it's why we care about being

01:07:52.820 --> 01:07:55.909
professional so that we can trust each

01:07:55.919 --> 01:07:58.669
other . How do you in your own , in

01:07:58.679 --> 01:08:02.060
your own daily , you know , workings

01:08:02.070 --> 01:08:05.189
and meanderings and conversations . How

01:08:05.199 --> 01:08:09.050
do you reinforce that , that look , the ,

01:08:09.290 --> 01:08:11.568
the our political system is what it is .

01:08:11.568 --> 01:08:14.139
It'll do what it does . We f there's

01:08:14.149 --> 01:08:16.093
only one president at a time . The

01:08:16.093 --> 01:08:18.205
military has no role in elections , I

01:08:18.205 --> 01:08:21.669
mean , zero . And um , and

01:08:21.680 --> 01:08:24.129
as orders are given by the president ,

01:08:24.140 --> 01:08:26.949
whoever is appointed as the president

01:08:26.958 --> 01:08:29.539
inaugurated as the president validated

01:08:29.548 --> 01:08:31.715
as the president , if necessary by the

01:08:31.715 --> 01:08:33.770
Supreme Court , we follow that order

01:08:33.770 --> 01:08:35.818
provided that order is legal and we

01:08:35.829 --> 01:08:39.369
can't let the , you know , the distrust

01:08:39.378 --> 01:08:43.199
that is sown um by this in some cases

01:08:43.208 --> 01:08:45.778
by manipulative uh information , we

01:08:45.789 --> 01:08:48.068
can't let that affect us because just

01:08:48.079 --> 01:08:50.369
as you said , the day after the new

01:08:50.378 --> 01:08:53.469
president takes office , he may ask us

01:08:53.479 --> 01:08:55.810
or she may ask us to do something and

01:08:55.819 --> 01:08:57.819
we've got to be ready to do it as a

01:08:57.819 --> 01:09:00.089
group that is confident , competent

01:09:00.100 --> 01:09:03.439
character and trusting . And so , you

01:09:03.450 --> 01:09:05.672
know , I look , it's one of the hardest

01:09:05.672 --> 01:09:07.783
things to talk about , right ? But it

01:09:07.783 --> 01:09:09.839
would be we'd be remiss if we didn't

01:09:09.839 --> 01:09:12.006
bring it up and ask you to think about

01:09:12.006 --> 01:09:13.950
it because it's out there . Yeah ,

01:09:13.950 --> 01:09:15.672
please . Um I'm gonna take the

01:09:15.672 --> 01:09:18.080
privilege to not be in uniform and not

01:09:18.089 --> 01:09:20.256
say it might say something political .

01:09:20.256 --> 01:09:22.600
But I , but to say in the clinical

01:09:22.609 --> 01:09:25.910
world , um my mentor and colleague

01:09:25.919 --> 01:09:27.879
described trust as doing the right

01:09:27.890 --> 01:09:30.112
thing for the right reason for a really

01:09:30.112 --> 01:09:32.334
long time . That's how you earn trust .

01:09:32.479 --> 01:09:34.368
That's how you earn trust in your

01:09:34.368 --> 01:09:36.423
marriage . That's how you earn trust

01:09:36.423 --> 01:09:38.590
with your kids . That's how you earn ,

01:09:38.590 --> 01:09:40.757
earn trust , um , as a leader . And so

01:09:40.757 --> 01:09:40.560
then you have to ask the question ,

01:09:40.569 --> 01:09:42.680
well , in my role , what does it mean

01:09:42.680 --> 01:09:44.736
to do the right thing ? What kind of

01:09:44.736 --> 01:09:46.958
right thing is it that I'm called to do

01:09:46.958 --> 01:09:49.180
here ? And so if we're gonna talk about

01:09:49.180 --> 01:09:51.125
what it means to be a professional

01:09:51.125 --> 01:09:53.236
versus a non-professional or somebody

01:09:53.236 --> 01:09:55.236
who's not quite professional , like

01:09:55.236 --> 01:09:55.109
whatever it means , the alternative ,

01:09:55.120 --> 01:09:57.231
the opposite extreme . If we're going

01:09:57.231 --> 01:09:58.898
to say that we're going to be

01:09:58.898 --> 01:10:00.564
professional or we long to be

01:10:00.564 --> 01:10:00.479
professional or be seen as a

01:10:00.490 --> 01:10:03.490
professional , then that means that we

01:10:03.500 --> 01:10:06.310
are probably doing something for a

01:10:06.319 --> 01:10:09.069
bigger cause than our own selfish gain

01:10:09.680 --> 01:10:11.902
and doing the right thing for the right

01:10:11.902 --> 01:10:14.069
reason for a really long time requires

01:10:14.069 --> 01:10:17.240
that you have the self control to

01:10:17.830 --> 01:10:20.390
think outside of your own emotional

01:10:20.399 --> 01:10:23.649
impulses . Find your reasonable with

01:10:23.660 --> 01:10:25.740
mind , your thinking skills , those

01:10:25.750 --> 01:10:28.319
critical thinking skills in order to

01:10:28.330 --> 01:10:30.497
get your , your mind to what we call a

01:10:30.497 --> 01:10:32.719
wise mind . What is the right thing for

01:10:32.719 --> 01:10:34.830
me to do in this circumstance ? And I

01:10:34.830 --> 01:10:36.830
think that's what sets people apart

01:10:36.830 --> 01:10:38.830
from being a professional and not a

01:10:38.830 --> 01:10:40.886
professional . Are you impulsive and

01:10:40.886 --> 01:10:43.108
you're doing something for selfish gain

01:10:43.108 --> 01:10:45.052
or because it feels impulsively or

01:10:45.052 --> 01:10:47.219
emotionally the thing that you want to

01:10:47.219 --> 01:10:49.441
do in the moment or do you want to be a

01:10:49.441 --> 01:10:51.663
professional that see , that is seen as

01:10:51.663 --> 01:10:53.830
someone who not only has trust but has

01:10:53.830 --> 01:10:55.997
worked really hard to build that trust

01:10:55.997 --> 01:10:57.941
and that you want to maintain that

01:10:57.941 --> 01:10:59.997
trust . And that requires a level of

01:10:59.997 --> 01:11:02.052
self control to think with your wise

01:11:02.052 --> 01:11:04.219
mind . And so whatever that means , as

01:11:04.219 --> 01:11:06.219
we go through in the season to be a

01:11:06.219 --> 01:11:08.441
professional , to be a leader , whether

01:11:08.441 --> 01:11:10.497
you are a spouse leader , a business

01:11:10.497 --> 01:11:12.608
leader or a service member leader , a

01:11:12.608 --> 01:11:14.970
military leader . I think that's to me

01:11:14.979 --> 01:11:17.201
what sets a professional apart from not

01:11:17.201 --> 01:11:19.209
a non-professional is that you see

01:11:19.220 --> 01:11:21.442
yourself as a servant leader and you're

01:11:21.442 --> 01:11:24.100
willing to rise above what our impulses

01:11:24.109 --> 01:11:26.331
are and do something bigger or better .

01:11:26.331 --> 01:11:28.609
That's so , by the way , my advice now ,

01:11:28.609 --> 01:11:30.831
having heard that is you get her on the

01:11:30.831 --> 01:11:32.942
payroll , we send her around the army

01:11:32.942 --> 01:11:35.053
and we have her give exactly that and

01:11:35.053 --> 01:11:37.387
that kind of just need some money . Now ,

01:11:37.387 --> 01:11:39.387
you know , one of the things that's

01:11:39.387 --> 01:11:41.553
unique about uh our education system ,

01:11:41.553 --> 01:11:43.498
not the , not the army's education

01:11:43.498 --> 01:11:45.498
system of our country is right . We

01:11:45.498 --> 01:11:47.720
don't , nobody teaches civics anymore .

01:11:47.720 --> 01:11:49.887
They really don't . There's no , you'd

01:11:49.887 --> 01:11:51.831
be hard pressed to find a class on

01:11:51.831 --> 01:11:53.942
civics . And so , you know , a civics

01:11:53.942 --> 01:11:56.165
class used to typically begin with some

01:11:56.165 --> 01:11:58.387
description of our democracy as seeking

01:11:58.387 --> 01:12:00.830
a common good . I tell the Olympic

01:12:00.839 --> 01:12:02.950
teams when , you know , I , I say , I

01:12:02.950 --> 01:12:04.895
don't care what you do when you're

01:12:04.895 --> 01:12:07.006
playing for San Francisco or New York

01:12:07.006 --> 01:12:09.172
or , you know , wherever you happen to

01:12:09.172 --> 01:12:11.339
play basketball . But when you put USA

01:12:11.339 --> 01:12:13.339
on your jersey , you're playing for

01:12:13.339 --> 01:12:15.561
everybody . You're , you're playing for

01:12:15.561 --> 01:12:17.783
the people that like you and the people

01:12:17.783 --> 01:12:17.770
that don't like you , you're playing

01:12:17.779 --> 01:12:19.835
for the people that you like and the

01:12:19.835 --> 01:12:21.835
people that you don't like , you're

01:12:21.835 --> 01:12:24.057
playing for everybody . And that's what

01:12:24.057 --> 01:12:26.168
we do , look at a uniform , us army .

01:12:26.168 --> 01:12:28.223
And so that whole civics thing about

01:12:28.223 --> 01:12:30.979
the pro our profession caring about the

01:12:30.990 --> 01:12:34.189
common good . I think it'd be easier to ,

01:12:34.220 --> 01:12:36.350
to inculcate that if it came out of ,

01:12:36.359 --> 01:12:39.339
out of school with that kind of already

01:12:39.350 --> 01:12:41.406
uh in , in , you know , inbred , but

01:12:41.406 --> 01:12:43.406
it's not there . So it's one of the

01:12:43.406 --> 01:12:45.517
things you talk about that we used to

01:12:45.517 --> 01:12:47.572
have , you know , when I came in the

01:12:47.572 --> 01:12:49.628
military , but it , that's not there

01:12:49.628 --> 01:12:51.572
anymore . So you gotta , you gotta

01:12:51.572 --> 01:12:53.628
figure out a way to , to make people

01:12:53.628 --> 01:12:55.739
understand that . Um , a question for

01:12:55.739 --> 01:12:57.961
how are we doing on time , by the way ?

01:12:58.350 --> 01:13:01.290
F 15 mics , as we used to say back in

01:13:01.299 --> 01:13:05.240
the day , um , feedback ,

01:13:05.479 --> 01:13:08.069
how is are the uh command assessment

01:13:08.080 --> 01:13:10.569
programs going in your judgment ? So

01:13:10.580 --> 01:13:13.350
I've been uh involved with in some

01:13:13.359 --> 01:13:15.303
aspects since this pilot phase . A

01:13:15.303 --> 01:13:17.526
couple of years back , about five years

01:13:17.526 --> 01:13:19.819
back . And my personal assessment , I

01:13:19.830 --> 01:13:21.997
would offer professional assessment do

01:13:21.997 --> 01:13:25.060
you support it ? But it's a largely l

01:13:25.069 --> 01:13:27.013
at army level three hr but heavily

01:13:27.020 --> 01:13:30.799
involved , should I say ? Um but , and

01:13:30.810 --> 01:13:32.977
I had the opportunity to see , we just

01:13:32.977 --> 01:13:35.199
go through a battalion level now , back

01:13:35.199 --> 01:13:37.421
coming through brigade level to include

01:13:37.421 --> 01:13:39.532
some of the nominal ar majors in some

01:13:39.532 --> 01:13:41.310
of the special branches . So my

01:13:41.310 --> 01:13:43.366
personal and professional assessment

01:13:43.366 --> 01:13:45.366
going well not to say that it's not

01:13:45.366 --> 01:13:45.060
without friction because no assessment

01:13:45.069 --> 01:13:47.319
program is not without friction . But

01:13:47.330 --> 01:13:49.589
if I may add and this is tied to the

01:13:49.600 --> 01:13:52.120
topic of the army profession and then

01:13:52.129 --> 01:13:53.796
having the agility within the

01:13:53.796 --> 01:13:55.962
institution to react to demands of why

01:13:55.962 --> 01:13:57.962
we want good commanders and command

01:13:57.962 --> 01:13:59.851
sergeant majors is throughout our

01:13:59.851 --> 01:14:02.109
continuum of learning continuum of

01:14:02.120 --> 01:14:04.419
professional development from sergeant

01:14:04.430 --> 01:14:06.430
through sergeant major , lieutenant

01:14:06.430 --> 01:14:08.597
through lieutenant colonel . He or she

01:14:08.597 --> 01:14:11.799
has been developed the way to become

01:14:11.810 --> 01:14:13.921
the leader that we want when they get

01:14:13.921 --> 01:14:16.143
to that phase and it may get to a point

01:14:16.143 --> 01:14:17.977
where cap at whatever level is a

01:14:17.977 --> 01:14:20.180
validation of the type of leader that

01:14:20.189 --> 01:14:22.490
we should have been growing for that

01:14:22.500 --> 01:14:26.009
1517 , 22 years , more than just . Ok .

01:14:26.020 --> 01:14:28.020
I'm going to ranger school tomorrow

01:14:28.020 --> 01:14:29.964
morning and , and it's evolved and

01:14:29.964 --> 01:14:32.140
continue to evolve and , and lastly as

01:14:32.149 --> 01:14:34.371
a professional , you know this . Well ,

01:14:34.371 --> 01:14:34.299
sir , from your , from your time in

01:14:34.310 --> 01:14:36.532
uniform , we're learning army as well .

01:14:36.532 --> 01:14:38.588
So we see that we adjust and make it

01:14:38.588 --> 01:14:40.866
get , get better and better and better .

01:14:40.866 --> 01:14:40.790
I think we're in the fifth year of the

01:14:40.799 --> 01:14:43.819
command assessment program . And uh to

01:14:43.830 --> 01:14:45.830
coin a phrase from , from our , our

01:14:45.830 --> 01:14:47.886
last chief of staff , there was more

01:14:47.886 --> 01:14:49.997
time spent on picking a specialist to

01:14:49.997 --> 01:14:51.886
go into the ranger regiment other

01:14:51.886 --> 01:14:53.997
operations as opposed to picking some

01:14:53.997 --> 01:14:53.549
from battalion command . That's what

01:14:53.569 --> 01:14:55.839
cap is doing for us now . Is there room

01:14:55.850 --> 01:14:58.017
for improvement ? Always . It's , it's

01:14:58.017 --> 01:15:00.220
a program . But what we've learned for

01:15:00.229 --> 01:15:02.950
from it , if these three things are not

01:15:02.959 --> 01:15:05.181
so good with A R feedback from C A , we

01:15:05.181 --> 01:15:07.689
can feed that into the development of

01:15:07.700 --> 01:15:09.922
our own non commissioned officers and ,

01:15:09.922 --> 01:15:11.867
and officers . So it's just simply

01:15:11.867 --> 01:15:13.867
validated to ensure we get the best

01:15:13.867 --> 01:15:15.922
person , not only competent at their

01:15:15.922 --> 01:15:17.978
job , has a level of communication ,

01:15:17.978 --> 01:15:20.520
skills , self assurance and competence

01:15:20.529 --> 01:15:23.129
in their skin to be a leader in M OS so

01:15:23.140 --> 01:15:25.307
that they're the right person that our

01:15:25.307 --> 01:15:27.418
troops deserve long answer for them .

01:15:27.418 --> 01:15:29.473
No , I , I look , I'll be honest . I

01:15:29.473 --> 01:15:31.640
was a skeptic when I first heard about

01:15:31.640 --> 01:15:33.790
it . Um , but , you know , as the

01:15:33.799 --> 01:15:36.120
skeptic would say , I , I thought ,

01:15:36.129 --> 01:15:38.129
well , isn't that a division

01:15:38.140 --> 01:15:40.459
commander's responsibility to identify

01:15:40.470 --> 01:15:42.970
toxic behaviors or isn't that , you

01:15:42.979 --> 01:15:45.479
know , uh , uh , a brigade committee's

01:15:45.490 --> 01:15:48.259
responsibility to see it and captains

01:15:48.270 --> 01:15:50.326
and majors and lieutenant colonels .

01:15:50.709 --> 01:15:54.060
But over the course of time as it has

01:15:54.069 --> 01:15:56.359
developed , I think it is a respect to

01:15:56.370 --> 01:15:58.481
your point about actionable . It is a

01:15:58.481 --> 01:16:02.220
way to action our interest in , in

01:16:02.640 --> 01:16:05.620
promoting the behaviors we want in

01:16:05.629 --> 01:16:08.339
commanders in this case , particularly

01:16:08.350 --> 01:16:10.128
commands our majors , battalion

01:16:10.128 --> 01:16:13.000
commanders and , and brigade commanders .

01:16:13.009 --> 01:16:15.065
So now I'm a fan , I don't know what

01:16:15.065 --> 01:16:17.287
the thing has evolved into , but as a ,

01:16:17.287 --> 01:16:19.009
you know , as a steward of the

01:16:19.009 --> 01:16:21.009
profession , which I still consider

01:16:21.009 --> 01:16:23.839
myself a bit , um I think there's a

01:16:23.850 --> 01:16:26.669
real place for it as a way to action ,

01:16:27.049 --> 01:16:29.069
the behaviors that we're seeking

01:16:29.080 --> 01:16:31.302
provided that it really does that . And

01:16:31.302 --> 01:16:33.302
I , you know , I don't know how you

01:16:33.302 --> 01:16:35.524
feel about that any more questions from

01:16:35.524 --> 01:16:37.850
there . Questions are coming in really ?

01:16:37.859 --> 01:16:39.859
Well , I'm glad you didn't put your

01:16:39.859 --> 01:16:42.439
name on them , but I can probably find

01:16:42.450 --> 01:16:44.609
out who you are . That one says John

01:16:44.620 --> 01:16:47.450
Doe . Um

01:16:48.810 --> 01:16:50.977
this is a question for all . So let me

01:16:50.977 --> 01:16:53.088
ask all and then you can volunteer to

01:16:53.088 --> 01:16:54.866
answer , how do you see leaders

01:16:54.866 --> 01:16:57.029
successfully nurture intrinsic

01:16:57.040 --> 01:16:59.209
motivation and drive to become an army

01:16:59.220 --> 01:17:02.410
professional when you're in some cases

01:17:02.419 --> 01:17:04.197
dealing ? Let me ask you this ,

01:17:04.197 --> 01:17:06.308
Sergeant Summerland because I've been

01:17:06.308 --> 01:17:08.509
ignoring you . Not really . But so the

01:17:08.520 --> 01:17:10.709
question is actually , uh you know ,

01:17:10.720 --> 01:17:13.759
kind of a uh a spin off of what Corey's

01:17:13.770 --> 01:17:15.881
been talking about where we don't get

01:17:15.881 --> 01:17:17.826
everybody in the army for the same

01:17:17.826 --> 01:17:19.937
reason . In fact , I'd venture to say

01:17:19.937 --> 01:17:22.048
if you , if you recruited 55,000 last

01:17:22.048 --> 01:17:24.240
year , there's probably 55,000 reasons

01:17:24.250 --> 01:17:26.390
why people came in the army . So the

01:17:26.399 --> 01:17:29.259
question that's posed is

01:17:31.009 --> 01:17:33.149
some of them maybe many of them , I

01:17:33.160 --> 01:17:35.500
hope not . Most of them come in because

01:17:35.509 --> 01:17:38.020
they just want a job . So , how do you ,

01:17:38.029 --> 01:17:40.029
you know , you , you've been on the

01:17:40.029 --> 01:17:42.085
trail , right ? And you , and you've

01:17:42.085 --> 01:17:44.251
been a drill instructor and how do you

01:17:44.251 --> 01:17:46.362
take someone who came in because they

01:17:46.362 --> 01:17:48.585
just wanted it to be a job and all of a

01:17:48.585 --> 01:17:48.060
sudden you're trying to convince them

01:17:48.069 --> 01:17:50.069
that they've got to be , you know ,

01:17:50.069 --> 01:17:53.979
superman and , and , and embrace all of

01:17:53.990 --> 01:17:57.399
this competence and character . Yeah .

01:17:57.410 --> 01:17:59.879
Uh So I'm , I'm reminded of a , of an

01:17:59.890 --> 01:18:02.259
individual trainee uh who , you know ,

01:18:02.270 --> 01:18:04.326
I used to , I used to have everybody

01:18:04.326 --> 01:18:06.492
stand up and everybody would go , we'd

01:18:06.492 --> 01:18:08.548
go around and I'd ask everybody like

01:18:08.548 --> 01:18:10.770
why you joined . And uh uh the point of

01:18:10.770 --> 01:18:12.881
that was that I was trying to instill

01:18:12.881 --> 01:18:14.992
purpose , right ? Um Being that being

01:18:14.992 --> 01:18:17.048
the most impactful reason why you're

01:18:17.048 --> 01:18:18.992
there , right ? Whether it's uh to

01:18:18.992 --> 01:18:21.159
serve your country or because you came

01:18:21.159 --> 01:18:23.326
for school . Um I was always trying to

01:18:23.326 --> 01:18:25.437
uh motivate them to uh have some kind

01:18:25.437 --> 01:18:27.548
of intrinsic purpose rather than some

01:18:27.548 --> 01:18:29.770
kind of extrinsic purpose . Um I talk

01:18:29.779 --> 01:18:32.001
about this quite often how I think that

01:18:32.001 --> 01:18:34.223
uh extrinsic purposes only last as long

01:18:34.223 --> 01:18:36.850
as it's there um versus intrinsic which

01:18:37.189 --> 01:18:39.356
uh will , will stay with you forever ,

01:18:39.356 --> 01:18:41.467
as long as , as long as you keep it ,

01:18:41.467 --> 01:18:44.080
right ? Um And so , you know , I , I

01:18:44.089 --> 01:18:46.256
had this trainee who said , well , I ,

01:18:46.256 --> 01:18:48.311
I joined for school and I was like ,

01:18:48.311 --> 01:18:50.478
you know , I , I was an infantry drill

01:18:50.478 --> 01:18:52.645
sergeant so it's a little tailored but

01:18:52.645 --> 01:18:52.109
I said , well , you could have done any

01:18:52.120 --> 01:18:54.120
job and gone to school . Why do you

01:18:54.120 --> 01:18:56.287
want to be an infantryman ? And he was

01:18:56.287 --> 01:18:56.200
like , you know , he was kind of

01:18:56.209 --> 01:18:58.376
dumbfounded by the question and , uh ,

01:18:58.620 --> 01:19:02.200
uh , over time showing him that , um ,

01:19:03.720 --> 01:19:05.831
you know , the , the infantry and the

01:19:05.831 --> 01:19:08.220
army as a whole , uh , is this

01:19:08.229 --> 01:19:11.520
incredible place that has , uh uh just

01:19:11.620 --> 01:19:13.939
the most purposeful job ? I think any

01:19:13.950 --> 01:19:16.500
of , of any in America . Uh II , I

01:19:16.509 --> 01:19:18.509
really do believe that uh you , you

01:19:18.509 --> 01:19:20.565
protect the people in their American

01:19:20.565 --> 01:19:22.565
way of life . I don't think that um

01:19:22.565 --> 01:19:24.453
there's any other job that really

01:19:24.453 --> 01:19:27.359
compares to that . And , um , so as you ,

01:19:27.370 --> 01:19:29.426
you know , as I , as I would explain

01:19:29.426 --> 01:19:31.648
this almost every day to these trainees

01:19:31.648 --> 01:19:33.814
or even my soldiers . Now , uh you can

01:19:33.814 --> 01:19:36.037
watch people , uh go , go away from the

01:19:36.037 --> 01:19:38.203
extrinsic motivators that may have got

01:19:38.203 --> 01:19:41.069
them there . Um And so , uh , yeah , I

01:19:41.080 --> 01:19:44.229
think , uh I think they just focusing

01:19:44.240 --> 01:19:47.100
on the language , your actions , your ,

01:19:47.109 --> 01:19:49.276
uh the , the type of presence that you

01:19:49.276 --> 01:19:51.276
set and tying it al always tying it

01:19:51.276 --> 01:19:53.509
back to purpose is uh is the most

01:19:53.520 --> 01:19:56.009
effective way to uh develop that

01:19:56.020 --> 01:19:58.370
intrinsic motivator . Yeah , I , I

01:19:58.379 --> 01:20:00.490
think , no wonder you were a terrific

01:20:00.500 --> 01:20:02.819
drill sergeant . Um , by the way there ,

01:20:02.830 --> 01:20:05.830
you know , one of the great uh moments

01:20:05.839 --> 01:20:07.783
as chairman of the joint chiefs of

01:20:07.783 --> 01:20:11.169
staff was when I had a uh a

01:20:11.290 --> 01:20:13.649
sergeant major . Of course , remind me

01:20:13.660 --> 01:20:16.020
that every soldier in the army ,

01:20:16.029 --> 01:20:18.799
everyone remembers who their drill

01:20:18.810 --> 01:20:22.689
instructor was and nobody remembers who

01:20:22.700 --> 01:20:24.700
the chairman of the joint chiefs of

01:20:24.700 --> 01:20:27.609
staff . So I had that going for me . I

01:20:27.620 --> 01:20:29.731
want to link it back to Corey's , you

01:20:29.731 --> 01:20:32.629
know , Corey's idea about uh you know ,

01:20:32.640 --> 01:20:34.696
what can the big institution do ? So

01:20:34.696 --> 01:20:36.807
we've talked a little bit about , you

01:20:36.807 --> 01:20:38.973
know , what we can do as individuals .

01:20:38.973 --> 01:20:38.709
We talked a little bit about what the

01:20:38.720 --> 01:20:40.720
big institution can do . One of the

01:20:40.720 --> 01:20:42.887
things that struck me listening to you

01:20:42.887 --> 01:20:45.990
about , uh , helping your recruits

01:20:46.000 --> 01:20:49.890
internalize a sense of purpose . One of

01:20:49.899 --> 01:20:52.319
the things we , we ask them to do is

01:20:52.330 --> 01:20:54.970
become selfless , right ? I mean , you

01:20:54.979 --> 01:20:57.090
know , look at our , the army creed ,

01:20:57.090 --> 01:20:59.423
never leave a fallen comrade , you know ,

01:20:59.423 --> 01:21:01.423
and , and we know that's true as we

01:21:01.423 --> 01:21:03.646
watch them perform in the battlefield .

01:21:03.646 --> 01:21:05.479
So we ask our soldiers and their

01:21:05.479 --> 01:21:07.423
families honestly to be selfless ,

01:21:07.830 --> 01:21:09.959
which seems to me to put a bigger

01:21:09.970 --> 01:21:13.959
burden on the institution to

01:21:13.970 --> 01:21:17.709
be attuned and alert to what they need

01:21:17.720 --> 01:21:19.498
because they're not gonna do it

01:21:19.498 --> 01:21:21.331
themselves if you ask them to be

01:21:21.331 --> 01:21:24.040
selfish , right ? So , you know , as an

01:21:24.049 --> 01:21:26.620
institution , we shouldn't have to wait

01:21:26.629 --> 01:21:29.439
till there's 425 IG invest , uh , uh ,

01:21:29.450 --> 01:21:31.290
you know , complaints about a

01:21:31.549 --> 01:21:34.359
particular service at Fort Cabas or

01:21:34.370 --> 01:21:36.426
Fort Liberty or wherever it is , our

01:21:36.426 --> 01:21:38.537
leaders ought to be attuned to that .

01:21:38.537 --> 01:21:40.481
And I think that's part of being a

01:21:40.481 --> 01:21:44.020
professional as well . Ok . I think all

01:21:44.029 --> 01:21:46.330
right , you got one minute for your

01:21:46.339 --> 01:21:48.910
closing thoughts each and then I'm

01:21:48.919 --> 01:21:52.209
gonna take the last two starting with

01:21:52.220 --> 01:21:54.387
you . I'm gonna take my glasses off of

01:21:54.387 --> 01:21:56.553
this one . Ok . Although we're up here

01:21:56.553 --> 01:21:58.664
on the panel today , I would offer up

01:21:58.664 --> 01:22:00.850
with you in uniform or a civilian

01:22:00.859 --> 01:22:03.081
professional that everybody in here and

01:22:03.081 --> 01:22:05.310
those that we serve with own the army

01:22:05.319 --> 01:22:08.759
profession . Period of the nurturing of

01:22:08.770 --> 01:22:11.979
it , the , the culture , the awareness

01:22:11.990 --> 01:22:13.990
and the trust that we need with our

01:22:13.990 --> 01:22:16.212
soldiers up and down , left and right ,

01:22:16.212 --> 01:22:18.323
and the moms and dads that allow them

01:22:18.323 --> 01:22:20.379
to serve . And that is as old as the

01:22:20.379 --> 01:22:22.379
250 years . We're creeping up on in

01:22:22.379 --> 01:22:24.490
nine months from now , we'll adapt to

01:22:24.490 --> 01:22:26.712
the environment , personally have a big

01:22:26.712 --> 01:22:28.823
leadership passion . So leaders own a

01:22:28.823 --> 01:22:31.046
lot of this at all single levels and we

01:22:31.046 --> 01:22:32.934
will adapt to the environment and

01:22:32.934 --> 01:22:35.212
continue to keep our profession strong ,

01:22:35.212 --> 01:22:37.323
put some meaning behind that oath and

01:22:37.323 --> 01:22:39.490
maintain that trust with America . And

01:22:39.490 --> 01:22:41.434
I hope we never , I want to deploy

01:22:41.434 --> 01:22:43.490
again , but if we have to , we'll be

01:22:43.490 --> 01:22:45.657
ready to do it at all times . I'm glad

01:22:45.657 --> 01:22:47.823
to be on your team . Thank you , sir .

01:22:47.823 --> 01:22:50.046
Thanks , Gary Coy . Um This , I'm gonna

01:22:50.046 --> 01:22:52.101
sound like a mom here for a second .

01:22:52.101 --> 01:22:54.046
But , um , we all know that we are

01:22:54.046 --> 01:22:56.104
increasingly from a humanity

01:22:56.115 --> 01:22:58.725
perspective , closing in on our devices

01:22:58.734 --> 01:23:00.790
more than we are being human to each

01:23:00.790 --> 01:23:03.084
other . And so I would encourage you to

01:23:03.095 --> 01:23:05.535
look up , I would encourage you to be a

01:23:05.544 --> 01:23:07.766
human to the people that you're serving

01:23:07.766 --> 01:23:09.839
around you . Um to whether you are

01:23:09.850 --> 01:23:12.330
trying to inspire that next generation

01:23:12.339 --> 01:23:14.561
to find that sense of purpose . Keep in

01:23:14.561 --> 01:23:16.783
mind that 27 and younger , their brains

01:23:16.783 --> 01:23:18.950
are not fully developed and they can't

01:23:18.950 --> 01:23:21.172
see past tomorrow very easily . So your

01:23:21.172 --> 01:23:23.339
role as a leader is to cast vision for

01:23:23.339 --> 01:23:25.561
them on the things that they cannot see

01:23:25.561 --> 01:23:27.450
yet . And sometimes it , it it is

01:23:27.450 --> 01:23:29.728
playing the role as a coach , a parent ,

01:23:29.728 --> 01:23:32.330
a friend , um a sibling to that person

01:23:32.339 --> 01:23:34.290
to help them find what they may be

01:23:34.299 --> 01:23:36.466
struggling to find um because they may

01:23:36.466 --> 01:23:38.819
be just signed up just to get that job ,

01:23:38.830 --> 01:23:41.310
right . So um I guess my encouragement

01:23:41.319 --> 01:23:44.939
to you as a professional is to um stay

01:23:44.950 --> 01:23:47.117
ahead of the curve on what's happening

01:23:47.117 --> 01:23:49.283
generationally . Put a Google alert in

01:23:49.283 --> 01:23:51.506
your email , in your um in your phone ,

01:23:51.506 --> 01:23:53.561
it'll send you an email every day on

01:23:53.561 --> 01:23:55.450
the trending topics that are most

01:23:55.450 --> 01:23:57.506
important to you . So put in there ,

01:23:57.506 --> 01:23:59.790
Gen Z millennial military , whatever

01:23:59.799 --> 01:24:01.799
those interests are so that you can

01:24:01.799 --> 01:24:03.855
stay ahead of what people are saying

01:24:03.855 --> 01:24:05.799
and get that news straight to your

01:24:05.799 --> 01:24:07.910
inbox so that you can be ahead of the

01:24:07.910 --> 01:24:10.021
curve of what's changing . Instead of

01:24:10.021 --> 01:24:12.021
um finding yourself reactive . So I

01:24:12.021 --> 01:24:12.020
guess my encouragement is be an actor ,

01:24:12.029 --> 01:24:15.959
not a reactor . Uh So I personally

01:24:15.970 --> 01:24:17.970
like to end everything on a call to

01:24:17.970 --> 01:24:20.026
action , you know , as we talk about

01:24:20.026 --> 01:24:22.137
strengthening the profession , uh and

01:24:22.137 --> 01:24:24.248
what you can do as an individual , uh

01:24:24.248 --> 01:24:26.414
what I would encourage everybody to do

01:24:26.414 --> 01:24:26.339
is to pull out your phones right now .

01:24:26.350 --> 01:24:28.572
If I had mine , I would take mine out .

01:24:28.572 --> 01:24:30.739
But I , if , if you can just bear with

01:24:30.739 --> 01:24:32.850
me and pull out your phones and go to

01:24:32.850 --> 01:24:34.683
your calendar or your reminder ,

01:24:34.683 --> 01:24:36.572
whatever it is , whatever it is ,

01:24:36.572 --> 01:24:38.794
that's gonna go off here in a couple of

01:24:38.794 --> 01:24:40.961
months . Um And what I would challenge

01:24:40.961 --> 01:24:42.850
you to do is think about the five

01:24:42.850 --> 01:24:44.906
things that you think make a perfect

01:24:44.906 --> 01:24:46.794
soldier . So whether that's being

01:24:46.794 --> 01:24:48.850
disciplined , ambitious , eager , uh

01:24:48.850 --> 01:24:51.072
hard worker , team player , whatever it

01:24:51.072 --> 01:24:53.294
may be , you take , you take those five

01:24:53.294 --> 01:24:55.517
things , you put them in that event for

01:24:55.517 --> 01:24:57.628
that calendar , you set , you set the

01:24:57.628 --> 01:24:59.794
reminder for 90 days from now and when

01:24:59.794 --> 01:25:02.017
that goes off , you just ask yourself ,

01:25:02.017 --> 01:25:04.128
have I been working on these things ?

01:25:04.128 --> 01:25:03.919
Have I been living up to these things ?

01:25:03.979 --> 01:25:06.201
And if the answer is yes , you're gonna

01:25:06.201 --> 01:25:08.312
impact those around you . It's , it's

01:25:08.312 --> 01:25:10.339
nature of the beast . Um So that ,

01:25:10.350 --> 01:25:12.572
that's what I would encourage everybody

01:25:12.572 --> 01:25:14.850
to do . Whether you're a senior leader ,

01:25:14.850 --> 01:25:17.017
a junior leader , uh or , or a soldier

01:25:17.017 --> 01:25:19.239
out there in some formation . Uh That's

01:25:19.239 --> 01:25:21.406
And uh thank you for having me , sir .

01:25:21.406 --> 01:25:23.683
Great advice . Thanks for , thanks for ,

01:25:23.683 --> 01:25:25.739
thank you all for all three of you .

01:25:25.739 --> 01:25:27.906
And thanks all of you , you know , for

01:25:27.906 --> 01:25:30.072
taking the time to leave the floor and

01:25:30.072 --> 01:25:32.294
put the fancy headset down . You know ,

01:25:32.294 --> 01:25:34.350
that makes you be able to see around

01:25:34.350 --> 01:25:36.683
corners and come up here and talk about ,

01:25:36.683 --> 01:25:39.220
you know , a topic that is relatively

01:25:39.229 --> 01:25:42.549
dry , I suppose , but profoundly

01:25:42.560 --> 01:25:44.850
important to our profession . And

01:25:44.859 --> 01:25:48.029
unless you , uh , might forget sometime

01:25:48.040 --> 01:25:50.262
you all , especially as you become more

01:25:50.262 --> 01:25:52.373
senior . You know , you , you , the ,

01:25:52.379 --> 01:25:54.601
you , it's , you know , it's , the army

01:25:54.601 --> 01:25:56.768
is a marathon , not a , not a sprint ,

01:25:56.768 --> 01:25:58.990
right ? And , but you get to the finish

01:25:58.990 --> 01:26:01.101
line as I did a few years ago and you

01:26:01.101 --> 01:26:02.935
take the uniform off and I , I'm

01:26:02.935 --> 01:26:05.299
honestly telling you , I miss it every

01:26:05.310 --> 01:26:08.720
day and I miss it . Not because I had a

01:26:08.729 --> 01:26:10.896
really cool airplane and not because I

01:26:10.896 --> 01:26:12.673
had a really cool office in the

01:26:12.673 --> 01:26:14.899
Pentagon . And not because I had , uh ,

01:26:14.910 --> 01:26:16.966
you know , uh , an enlisted aide who

01:26:16.966 --> 01:26:19.188
would make sure that I was in the right

01:26:19.188 --> 01:26:21.132
uniform wherever I went . I mean ,

01:26:21.132 --> 01:26:23.299
those things were all the trappings of

01:26:23.299 --> 01:26:25.890
the job , but I really miss you . I

01:26:25.899 --> 01:26:28.540
really miss the chance to interact with

01:26:28.549 --> 01:26:30.850
people by the way . And I , I'm , I'm

01:26:30.859 --> 01:26:32.859
saying those are in uniform but I'm

01:26:32.859 --> 01:26:34.970
counting spouses and I'm counting our

01:26:34.970 --> 01:26:37.620
great , uh , civilian leaders . Uh ,

01:26:38.419 --> 01:26:40.669
you know , you come to work , not

01:26:40.680 --> 01:26:42.847
because of the paycheck because I know

01:26:42.847 --> 01:26:45.069
what y'all make . It's , it's in , it's

01:26:45.069 --> 01:26:47.347
in , it's in the public record and you ,

01:26:47.347 --> 01:26:50.359
so you're not in this for uh the , the ,

01:26:50.370 --> 01:26:53.120
any kind of accumulation of wealth .

01:26:53.689 --> 01:26:56.240
Um You are in it because you , you ,

01:26:56.250 --> 01:26:58.629
this matters to you and , and maybe

01:26:58.640 --> 01:27:00.862
that's all I wanna do is leave you with

01:27:00.862 --> 01:27:03.120
the thought that you're doing something

01:27:03.129 --> 01:27:05.680
that matters matters to your fellow

01:27:05.689 --> 01:27:07.578
citizens . If they , whether they

01:27:07.578 --> 01:27:09.490
realize it or not matters to your

01:27:09.500 --> 01:27:12.750
family matters to you personally . And

01:27:12.759 --> 01:27:14.981
I couldn't be prouder to have been part

01:27:14.981 --> 01:27:17.939
of it and to take part in this panel uh

01:27:17.950 --> 01:27:20.061
to make sure you remember that . So .

01:27:20.061 --> 01:27:21.899
Thanks very much . Ok .