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Ladies and gentlemen presenting now at

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the Warriors Corner , Miss Renee Mosher ,

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Mr Brandon Cockrell and Mr Stephen

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Sullivan for the Army Energy

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Initiatives . Ok . Can you hear me ?

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Yes , I think I'm on . Wow , what a

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turnout . Welcome everybody . So

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what we want to talk about today is the

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army energy initiatives and how

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we can become more efficient and

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getting after resiliency . So before we

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get started , what about that ? A USA

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opening this morning ? Wasn't that

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fantastic ? Yeah , we won't talk about

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that , but no , uh you know , every

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time I sit in on uh the opening of a

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USA , it always brings tears to my eyes

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and uh this morning was no different

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and um it was just , that was

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absolutely fantastic . So anyway , to

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get started just real quick , uh

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we'll go , each one of us will

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introduce ourselves for your panel

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today . My name is Renee Mosier and I

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do work for uh headquarters , army

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Material Command . I am the deputy

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chief of staff uh G four within Army

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Material Command . So I just kind of

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like to go down and , and let everybody

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introduce themselves before we get

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started . Good afternoon . I'm Steven

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Sullivan , I'm the Chief Financial

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Officer and Director for resources ,

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installations and Material for the

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Office of the Chief Armed Reserve

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working in the Pentagon and down at

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Fort Belvoir . And I'm Bre Cockrell .

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I'm the , I'm the Deputy Assistant

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Secretary of the Army for energy and

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sustainability . Uh And prior to this

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role of , to this is a challenge

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about two months ago , I left Fort

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Moore , the deputy garrison commander

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at Fort Moore before taking this role .

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Uh So there we go . All right , Renee .

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OK . So just to set the stage uh

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before we get into the actual

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presentation , we have a few slides

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that we're gonna go through overall .

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Uh our message is , you know , we heard

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a lot this morning about transformation .

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And so that's uh what we're , you're

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gonna hear us talk about here uh for

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the next 40 45 minutes . Uh We are

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gonna leave plenty of time for

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questions and answers . But as we have

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this discussion , you know , overall ,

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you know , and we all know this , the

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army must continue to transform . And

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one of the things that we are uh

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working very closely with our industry

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and our local communities is how we

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partner to get after um you know , some

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of the energy initiatives that are

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out there . And we all know that the

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army is facing shrinking resources and

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not only from a funding but people

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perspective , but we also from a

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technology perspective , we need to

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partner with our industry and uh get

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after some of the technological

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advances that , that they can bring to

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the table . So having said that I'm

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gonna turn this over to Mr Brandon

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Cockerell and he's gonna kick us off

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and uh , we'll get into the actual

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presentation . All right , thanks Renee .

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All right , let's hit the next slide .

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And again , this is , you know , it ,

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it's amazing walking through and you

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see all the new technologies that are

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here in , in any of these , you know ,

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any of the big five ballrooms . And the

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number of times that I've seen people

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taking photos taking selfies . Um I

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mean , even walk by earlier and to show

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you kind of the state of where we are

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today is I heard the statement uh that

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said , oh , that's a robotic dog . Ok ,

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five years ago , how many of the

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technologies that we see today were

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dreams ? And now today we're on the

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verge of fielding , you know , those

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the robotic dogs they're actually

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fielding . So across the board , the

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increase in technology over just the

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past five years has been astronomical ,

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but with increasing technology comes

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increased risk and that increased risk

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brings increased challenges . So about

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five years ago , there was a statement

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made in the 2018 National Defense

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Strategy that said installations are no

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longer a sanctuary . That's paradigm

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shift . Because up until that air land

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and sea , the three domains

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installations were clear when we're

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factoring in cyber and space

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installations are now in play .

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And that particular statement by itself

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developed , the army embraced it and

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the army developed what was known as

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the army installation strategy , the

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army installation strategy , you see

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the inst state , let me read this .

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It's a modern resilient , sustainable

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installations , enhancing strategic

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readiness in a contested multi domain

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battle space while providing quality

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services and support for soldiers

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families and civilians . When you break

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that statement up , it's the ability to

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provide resilient but

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enabling installations . And there's a

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keyword in there called while while

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providing installations for the

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soldiers and families that call

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installations home and taking those two

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and piecing them together is what the

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army installation strategy really began

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targeting . You see the four lines of

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effort taking care of people ,

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strengthening readiness , modernizing

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and promoting stewardship . Now before

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we keep talking , I've got a question .

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Show of hands , how many people this

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morning when they woke up ? They went

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to the light switched , touched their

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hand on the light switch and said , oh ,

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please let this turn on today anybody .

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Ok , good . Because if that's the case ,

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you may wanna change hotels , you know ,

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you may want to ask for a refund or you

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know , call your apartment manager ,

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you know , but see what happens is

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electricity and power is no longer an

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afterthought . It's an expectation .

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And that being the case , energy

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resilience is embedded throughout all

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four of these lines of effort . And

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that's why a personal belief of mine is

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that every installation must be an

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island and not only be an island but

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actually have the capability if needed

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in certain confines to be able to

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export power . But as a cornerstone ,

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every installation must be an island .

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And over these past five years , the

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army has really pushed hard in making

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this happen . We continue to find ways

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to distribute power generation to

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install micro grids on installation ,

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to have uh installations to be able to

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operate when grid power is cut . If

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you've ever been involved with a Black

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Start exercise , we're testing this one

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installation this spring tested it at

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the end of the Black Start exercise .

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We realized that a continental Us

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redeployment occurred at the power

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projection point while it was in the

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middle of a black start exercise

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unbeknownst to the leadership . So it

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completely worked on backup power

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exactly as planned . So we're testing

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these new technologies we're pushing

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and we're pressing this . Uh and again ,

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like I said , coming from Fort Moore

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just a little over two months ago . The

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next slide I wanna talk about one

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particular just to show you the scope

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of these technologies . This is we're

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in the middle of a feasibility study

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and the numbers are looking good of an

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an anaerobic digester . So what we're

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doing is taking the amount of waste

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that comes out of the dining facilities

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and the food waste , putting it in an

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anaerobic digester and pulling out

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biogas out the other side , this biogas

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then captures and we're able to take

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and blend it on our side of the meter .

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And then we take this and it is can be

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used through different generators to

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create power to offset any type of grid

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outage . So these are the type

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technologies that we're continuing to

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press . OK . Next slide . So

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one of the key things that we've

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learned with the army is we speak army

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and we speak installations . But with

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the privatization of utilities , a lot

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of times , we don't speak utilities and

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we don't speak privatized investors .

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So 10 years and a few days ago , the

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army stood up in office called the

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Office of Energy Initiatives . And this

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office's primary goal is to take and

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speak all three languages . When

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there's an installation where

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resilience is needed , resilience is

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required . Then the senior commander

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can make the determination of taking

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land that is under utilized and

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rotate that land to be able to generate

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new technologies that can generate

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power or can have a micro grid that can

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distribute that power across locations .

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So over the past decade , oe I has

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worked 31 different projects across the

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spectrum and there's installations now

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that are on the verge , they can power

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portions of their installation with the

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grid being completely off just

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financially . Uh What that office has

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been able to do is there's been over

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$630 million of privatized funds that

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have been poured into installations ,

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utility infrastructure and at the same

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time , that saved over $400 million of

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operational cost to us . So that's ,

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you know , a little over a billion

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dollar cost offset just in this past

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decade . And one particular one I want

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to highlight is the Los Alamitos . So

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11 months ago , the switch turned on at

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Los Alamitos . So between the solar

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array , the battery backups , the other

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power generation capabilities , Los

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Alamitos can sustain 100% off the grid

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full power for 14 days and then being

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able to modulate that power and direct

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it , then there's ways that they can

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actually stay completely off the grid

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longer than that . So this is a success

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driving forward . So in the army as we

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take and as we continue to push and we

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continue to press and continue to find

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these , these new technologies with

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partnerships , you know , it's , it's

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an exciting time and I think we're

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gonna continue to develop these and

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continue to increase readiness across

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the board . So , you know , one day we

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hopefully we never have to worry about

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if that light switch , you know , or if

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that power projection platform will

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operate or not , if the grid goes down .

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Uh So that's a big focus as we're

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continuing to go . And what I wanna do

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now is turn it over to Steve and some

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really , really amazing things that he

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and his team have been able to do Steve .

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Thank you . So , I'd like to highlight

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a couple of things that the Army

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Reserve is doing to be innovative

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across the Department of Defense . The

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first one is electric vehicle support

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equipment or EVSE so charging our

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electric vehicles . So executive order

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4057 came out and said we need to

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transition our non tactical light duty

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fleet to electric vehicles by fiscal

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year 27 . And of course , you know , a

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lot of people leaned forward on that ,

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particularly the General Services

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Administration and leases for vehicles

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started to come due and they would take

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your gas powered vehicle and they give

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you an electric vehicle . The challenge

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is it wasn't until fiscal year 24 that

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we actually had dedicated funding to

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put the infrastructure in . So we were

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receiving these vehicles , we didn't

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really have an effective way to charge

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them at the level you needed to , for

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them to actually utilize by the

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commands . And so approximately two

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years ago , we have gone from concept

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to full production , working with a lot

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of partners , a lot of hard work , a

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lot of innovation . So we went from

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concept to vendor selection to a

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successful pilot and now to full

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production here at the end of this year ,

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24 to 25 . And so our key partner

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was the defense Innovation unit located

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in mountain view , California , which

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happens to be pretty convenient for us

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because they are a tenant in our 63rd

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Readiness division headquarters in

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Mountain view . And so we partnered

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with the 63rd , the Diu uh also have

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worked closely with the California

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Energy Commission . Uh Our industry

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industry partner tech flow that we

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identified through the other

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transaction authority selection process .

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Uh Army contracting command , New

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Jersey , who's uh who's done our ot a

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production contract . And then we're

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working with the US Army Corps of

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Engineers to do master planning on how

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we'll take the resources we have and

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where we should put that ev charging

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infrastructure to best utilize , you

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know , where we have not only

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government vehicles but privately owned

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vehicle population . So at the end of

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fiscal year 24 we were able to put $10

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million against that OTA production

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contract to start building out beyond

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our pilot . And then we have up to $100

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million of capacity in that contract

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over the next five years to continue to

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build out . The challenge for the Army

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Reserve is that we are not an

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installation based force . We are

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geographically across the United States .

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So I'd say probably only 20% of our

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facilities are on an installation with

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80% either on someone else's

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installation or separated out in local

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communities across the country . So as

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we look at our master planning , we're

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trying to figure out where is the best

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place for us to mask our charging

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infrastructure to match up with the

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vehicles that we're rolling out . So

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for our pilot , we selected two primary

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locations both in California at

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Mountain view at the 63rd readiness

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headquarters and also at the Parks

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Reserve Forces training area across the

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bay . Now , there are some advantages

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to this is that there's a high adoption

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of electric vehicle use in the state of

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California . Again , we are partnering

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with DI that was at that location and

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we've also had close collaboration with

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the California Energy Commission and

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the US Navy that was also operating EV

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charging , roll out , working with DU

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as well . So we found things that

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worked . We partnered with the Navy and

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so we initially started with 15 level

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two and four level three chargers at

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those installations . And the

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interesting thing that we're doing is

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they both charge government vehicles

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and privately owned vehicles . And the

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model is set up such that the actual

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chargers are set up as tenants on the

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installation . So just like you might

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have an a fees or some other food

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entity on post , that's a tenant that's

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utilizing utilities from the garrison .

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The actual charger is set up using tech

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flow as the vendor . So we project out

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what we think the utility charges are

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going to be for the next quarter . We

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pre fund that and then as the usage it

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goes throughout the quarter , we go

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back and we true that up every quarter .

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So the privately owned vehicles that

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are able to charge on our chargers .

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They , they pay a certain percentage .

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They have a third party vendor that

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takes their credit card information not

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seen by the Army Reserve or by tech

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flow . And they then pay a higher rate .

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That rate is actually lower than they

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can pay to charge their POV off post .

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And then that charge covers the

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operation and maintenance . The actual

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utility costs , the fees , the tech

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flow and the interesting thing , it

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then goes into an escrow account for

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sustainment . And so I'm sure many have

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maybe gotten some type of ev charging

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infrastructure . In the past . It was a

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proprietary system . It broke , there

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was no way to fix it , there was no

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funding to fix it and it just sat there .

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So this model will allow us to build

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that escrow account so we can maintain

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those systems over time . And so this

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has been a great success . Uh We

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recently briefed the chief

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sustainability officer for the Federal

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Government at the White House . And so

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we're sharing these lessons learned

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across the dod and also the executive

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branch . Next slide . Um The

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second thing I wanted to highlight was

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resiliency at Fort Hunter Liggett . Uh

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You know , the bottom line up front is

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that uh we recently commissioned a

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micro grid and uh solar array with

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battery storage that's gonna allow Fort

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Hunter Liggett to achieve 90% net zero .

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This has been really a 20 year plan to

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get to full net zero , which we expect

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to achieve by 2030 . Most of that

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was that recent project was a $24

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million a project that we coordinate

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through OS D that provides 3.75

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megawatts of solar and up to five

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megawatts of battery storage . So we've

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been making sure that we first off in

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the early stages . How do we get to net

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zero ? Well , let's become more

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efficient . How do we make our

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buildings use less energy ? So we've

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done metering EBS C higher efficiency

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HVAC systems , for example , to lower

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our usage . And then we have multiple

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solar arrays that we intend to connect

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to this new project and get to net zero

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by 2030 . And so I want to save time

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for questions . So I'll pass it over to

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Renee to go through some additional

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info . Ok , to wrap this up . Can we go

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to the next slide , please ? Ok .

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Ok . So my slides not there , but

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that's ok . So just to summarize what

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the panel here is talking about um in

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Compo one . So for the EV charging

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stations exactly as uh Robert kind of

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described we from the compo one army

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perspective experienced many of the

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same challenges that has been uh

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described here as a result of

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this . Uh We are partnering very

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closely with uh a

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saine in regards to getting after an

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overall uh strategy uh

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for EV and how we are going to move

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forward in the future because some

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funds are coming available . And so we

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want to make sure we put the right

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capability out . So uh we are

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partnering very closely with the

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headquarters D A staff to get after the

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overall ev strategy as we go forward .

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Um The other effort that I wanted to

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touch on briefly is expanding the third

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party uh finance financing

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efforts . Uh This is a critical piece

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of our strategy as we continue to grow

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capability . And , and again , as I

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started at the very beginning ,

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partnering with industry for our best

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practices . Um The other area that

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we are pivoting to is artificial

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intelligence as we expand

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capability and artificial intelligence .

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Again , partnering with industry

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learning new new technology and

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bringing that into our day to day

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operation landscape is critical to the

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success as we continue to , to move

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forward with these initiatives . So

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what I'd like to do is stop there and

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open it up . I wanna leave about 1520

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minutes for questions , hands are

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already going up and so let's go ahead

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and move to the questions , sir . I

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think your hand was up first .

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Just OK .

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Hello . Oh , my name is Justin Berman .

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I'm with the Army Corps of Engineers ,

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uh engineer , research and construction ,

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uh Research and Development center . A

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question that I have . Uh this is

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excellent the landscape for trying to

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make us more resilient in our strategic

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support areas . It's very , very

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important . A lot of what I saw in the

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electric vehicles seems to be towards

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the government owned , which I'm

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assuming is the non tactical fleet and

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the private home . I'm wondering if you

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can paint a little bit of the image for

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as the army begins to develop a

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tactical fleet that will need to be

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charged as well . How do you see that

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fitting within the framework of this ?

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And what should we be thinking about ?

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You want to hear that from I ? And yeah ,

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so the key thing is what we're doing is

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we're trying to keep up with technology

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and when you go through and you look at

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some of the technology that's here ,

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that becomes a challenge . So now that

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comes into the agility aspect of it ,

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um we're already experimenting with

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some things like the hybridization of

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vehicles . Uh and the hybridization of

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vehicles is they continue to get tested ,

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is increasing the lethality uh of a

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particular vehicle . It's , it's

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amazing to see some of the studies

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coming out of it . I think the things

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we have to look for is we can't look at

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today because , you know , anytime in

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the army , we can do anything , it just

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may take a little time , particularly

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when it deals with facilities and with

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infrastructure and cost associated with

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it . So as we're looking at what's next ,

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the dotel PFP process , making sure

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that the facility portion of that

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process is completely evaluated that

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we're making good decisions that we're

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including all stakeholders uh that we

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are building things that are expandable

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later . Uh as well as these new

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technologies hit if I could add to

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that . So we have gathered uh quite a

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few lessons learned at our O I organic

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industrial based locations . Uh The

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capability that was put forward uh

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was uh for the most part solar

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and so not powerful enough to do a lot

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of the charging that we needed for some

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of the larger vehicles that they run uh

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at each of the installations . So all

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of that is being gathered . And as we

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go forward , just as Brandon said ,

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using technical , you know , all the

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technology that's out there to help

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improve uh getting after this critical

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element as we move forward . All right ,

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we've got question , I

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go ahead . Good tw A , it was a

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director of army programs . Em Maresco ,

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you highlighted a couple of projects

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for us , Alamitos , Ford Hunter Lake .

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We've had the opportunity to meet with

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Miss Moser . Um And uh to talk about

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getting after the organizational

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industrial base , um you know , energy

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and sustainability resiliency . I know

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there was some meetings that you had to ,

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to talk about maybe doing third party

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financing to help them get after the ,

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uh you know , a project energy saving

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performance contract . Possibly you uh

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you uh or Uuese , could you tell us a

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little bit about where that is now ?

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Since , since you've had the

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opportunity to meet and talk about

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opening up the opportunity to do goos

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government own contractor operated

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sites using third party finance

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projects . So all I can say

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at this stage is uh everything you said .

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The third party financing Ues CS even

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et projects are being looked at very

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closely . Uh We are looking at every

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opportunity available out there to

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advance at each of our oib locations

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and to use opportunities and to use

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other resources to get at to improve

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micro grid . It's a big one that we are

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looking at through the UESE and and

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partnerships . Um I can't talk specific

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details in regards to where we are with

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some actions , but it is we are

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exploring every opportunity that we can .

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Good . Thank you . Um As regards to ev

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charging availability in 22 we saw the

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A S A memo that allowed families to

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type one charge out of their , their

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homes without differentiating

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electricity . Since then , there's been

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a lot of partnerships with privatized

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housing that have increased the number

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of type two charging in family housing ,

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which is phenomenal as EVs become um

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more affordable , more available and

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the fleet , the non tactical fleet

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turns over to um ev charging . Um I'm

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wondering if there is a specific road

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map that increases availability to

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unaccompanied housing . A lot of these

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buildings , you know , it's not

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feasible to have soldiers type one

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charging off of extension cords . We

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also know that A lot of that

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infrastructure is older and can't

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support that type of electrical . Um

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you know , that increased demand . So

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I'm just wondering if there is a

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specific plan to target unaccompanied

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housing or if that's something that

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will have to come with larger

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infrastructure plans like the SEC army

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has talked about . Thank you . Yes . So

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that one is going to it , it's kind of

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a hybrid hybridization because each

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installations are beginning to tackle

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this . Um The type one charging , uh

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I'll put my deputy gear and commander

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hat on . So the type one charging , uh

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the concerns that we began having was

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we found extension cords running out of

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windows which now that stops the

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building envelope , which brings a

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whole another set of com you know ,

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conversations in the mix . So creating ,

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you know , depending on some new

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partnerships that we're working , we

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kicked off a , a task force two weeks

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ago to look at trying to duplicate some

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of the things that some other people up

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here have done um to access privatized

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dollars to be able to do this type

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charging . Uh And we all know that it

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realistically , you're looking at a

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type two chargers across the footprint .

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Um Us leaning forward and putting them

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across all of our footprint immediately .

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That's gonna have to be a staged aspect

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and we're pulling lessons learned on

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this opt to see where is it best to

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locate chargers ? Is it best to cluster ?

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Is it best to spread them in certain

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locations . So it's something that

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we've not just said , uh you know , we ,

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we'll just forget about it . It's

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something that we are really hybrid

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looking at uh as we're moving forward ,

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hit that one . I'd also add that the

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army's policy guidance is that the

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chargers are available to GOV and POV .

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And so as we're developing our master

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plan , we want to make sure that

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they're put in locations that are

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accessible and convenient for our

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government vehicles , but also for

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private owners to charge as well

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because that is part of our model that ,

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that generates the sustainment account .

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Yes , sir . Hi , ma'am uh Dan o'rourke

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from the Army War College . So a lot of

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great initiatives , uh they seem to be

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mostly solar based uh which is fairly

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low density power generation . Um

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Just wondering if we're looking at um

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higher density sources like small

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modular reactors on installations and

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then looking at uh hybrid tactical

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vehicles in the motor pools both as

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storage and load where you can do

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bidirectional charging back to the

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installation . Um So the motor pool is

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kind of the the load source , the

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requirement , but it could also be the

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storage source . Are we looking at

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those things ? What's next ? So , yes ,

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we are . So I'll turn it over to

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Brandon from the from the departmental

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level , but we are looking at hybrid

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and we do have a lot of hybrid vehicles

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in our inventory today . Uh We're

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looking at , we are looking to go

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toward the micro grid because lessons

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learned as we've , as we've talked here ,

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solar is just not powerful enough . And

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uh we did get uh in the

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2631

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palm additional resources , I believe

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to get after uh ev the and

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uh putting that capability , it came

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down . And at the very beginning , we

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didn't have the resources frankly um to

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put solar was what we , we could afford

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at the time . But we are moving to grid

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and that is getting after the , the opt

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that Brandon was talking about . And

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yeah , so , so yeah , the opt that we

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stood up really across all the capo one

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army was to take all of the lessons

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learned , grab those and pull them in

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because we have some installations that

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are filled up to 200 evs . So they're

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learning from those . So what we are ,

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you know , one of the key things is

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I'll hit on the hybridization .

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Absolutely . You know , we're looking

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at pushing that . You mentioned the

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battery storage uh as far as

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bidirectional feet . Yes , I mean , we

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uh there's a couple of installations

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that have that we're testing now ,

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battery powered buses . That's a

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battery with wheels . So one of the

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questions that I had when I departed ,

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my old job that I'd asked my engineers

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was , how many of these buses would I

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have to run in series to run the

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airfield ? For a set amount of time .

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So I left before they gave me the

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answer . But those are the type things

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that we're looking for . Now , one of

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the things that we're learning and

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that's what I want to say is we're

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transforming is we're learning uh to do

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a real quick stop gap measure . We did

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buy several of those , the solar stand

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alone chargers and the solar stand

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alone chargers . Um We're learning that

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the grid charger seems to be a lot more

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reliable than those particular ones ,

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but the solar panels that we're putting

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across installations are showing great

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promise . I mean , they're feeding

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information , they're feeding the

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actual grids . Uh We're looking now at

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multiple different types of battery

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systems uh anywhere from , you know ,

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immediately when you say battery

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immediately go to lithium ion . Uh but

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we're looking at everything from flow

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batteries which we're testing on one

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installation now , uh thermal storage

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batteries that uses high density

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material to store energy for up to two

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days . That is a fraction of price . Uh

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So we're looking in testing . So I mean ,

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I I really believe installations are a

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Petri dish in a lot of these areas and

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as finding installations to test them

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and try them and find what works good ,

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find what might not work as great as we

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thought and not export it . If it works ,

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we want to export it . If it doesn't ,

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we don't . But yeah , we are , we're

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trying to press every way that we can ,

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knowing that we have to build this

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resilience across the border .

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We know that the army is looking at

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across all of those . So there's the

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big grid facing , there's also the SMR

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and there's also the micro aspect to it .

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So there's a lot of studies that are

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going on now to see not only the

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feasibility but the financial aspects .

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So yeah , the army is actively looking

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at all technologies depending on the

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density across the board .

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Hi , John Klein Johnson controls . My

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question is for you , Renee about data ,

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but I'd like to hear from you all as

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well . The army is finishing up a

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banner year on energy . Uh la last year

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was amazing and the maturity of the

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energy program is just outstanding . I

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think the next frontier looks like data

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and A MC G six doing some great stuff

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with the smart grid tiger team ,

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General Jones with his captured data

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and integrating all the data . You

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talked about A I and machine learning .

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Can you kind of give us an what , what

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your goals are with data into the

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future ? Thanks . So yes , thank you

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for that question . And so Journal

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Mohan is driving a MC toward

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being more data centric uh every

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decisions based on data . Um

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He wants to become more efficient with

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use of time . Uh in regards to

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artificial intelligence , for instance ,

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one of the examples he likes to use is

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within our army contracting command .

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How can we use artificial intelligence

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to better get after how uh we

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can , you know , put a , you know , a ,

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a proposal out on the street ,

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uh track track our responses , you know ,

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uh we have a tremendous workload in

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that area in regards to getting after

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some of the , the contracting

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challenges . But overall , just looking

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across the spectrum of the uh of the uh

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strategic support area , how do we see

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ourselves better from a readiness

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perspective ? How do we measure the

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health of the tactical fleet ? Uh I

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know we're talking energy here but you

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know , just to give you some examples

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in regards to where we're trying to

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head uh to get after using the , the uh

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the data analytics and the um

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the Artificial Intelligence , he wants

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to partner like I had stated up front

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with industry to get after the

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technology that's out there and in all

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aspects of , you know , energy

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resiliency , overall readiness uh

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where we can become more effective in

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just , you know , the day to day

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logistics and sustainment . I hope that

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answers your question .

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Hey , uh whoa , that's loud . Um Good

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afternoon . I'm John Conger , former

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Assistant Secretary of Defense for

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Energy installations and Environment .

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My , my two things for you real quick .

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One on the last slide , the partnership

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one in the future , I would advise you

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to include utility privatization

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because that is a partnership that's

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going to bring you resilience they're

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going to be able to surge to a disaster

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with outside resources and help the

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base . So just in your mindset as

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you're thinking about these things , uh

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please include up . So I had that on

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the slide that I thought was going to

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come up . But you're spot on utility ,

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private , private civilization is

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something we're exploring very closely ,

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very carefully . So my question for you

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has nothing to do with that . It's

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about energy managers . So when I was

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in the department about 10 years ago ,

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what we found was the most successful

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installations for energy projects

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didn't have to do with the size of the

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installation , the mission and the

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installation it had to do with who had

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the best and most innovative energy

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manager . My question for you is what

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are you doing to lift up your energy

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managers and to encourage innovation in

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that context ? Um I think that's , I

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would love to know what you're doing

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for them and to , to , to lift them up .

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Yeah , go ahead around it . So John ,

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that is one of the , you know , coming

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into this role . One of the top five

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things that I've identified is that

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exact same thing because a lot of times

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across your public works because all

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your energy managers rely on your dpws .

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It's either an engineer who was the

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last person that left the room and said ,

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tag you're it or they weren't there

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that day . Um You know , or it was

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someone that may have been paying the

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utility bill . Uh So we recognize that

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that is AAA gap in our current

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swink . So , what we're doing now to

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address it is um

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probably six months ago , nine months

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ago , we began a quarterly education

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session with energy managers . Two

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weeks ago , we held this quarter's

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education over two hours and there were

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204 people , 204 individuals

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across teams that were on . We recorded

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it as well to be able to export it . Uh

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We met personally with some of the top

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engineer managers about a month ago and

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we asked these type same questions and

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they had some really , really good

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ideas . Uh So some of the things we're

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looking at now is does an engineer need

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to be an energy manager or is an energy

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manager a separate type of position

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description ? And then how do you grow

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energy managers ? Because I mean , we

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all know that a , a good energy manager

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pays for themselves . Uh Knowing that

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the size of the energy bills on post ,

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knowing that the resilience aspect . So

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we're taking a very active approach at

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how do we not only train the ones that

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are here ? Now , how do we define that

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particular position description in that

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career path ? And then how do we

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elevate ? You know what I mean ? We're ,

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you know , I've got some conversations

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I'm trying to slate with M com to go .

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Let's really begin looking at this in

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the public works arena because we all

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know that typically , you know , people

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in you in uh infrastructures are two

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biggest bills at an installation .

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Number three normally is energy . So

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having the right people to tackle that

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not as an afterthought is gonna be the

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key to our success . That's right .

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Ladies and gentlemen , this will be our

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final question . We have time for one

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more . I feel like a

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lottery winner , Ted Cummings with arm

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is uh this might be a question for you .

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It's um you said you are tenants on the

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network at an installation . And so the

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deputy put your deputy garrison

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commander , head on again . You've now

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introduced uh you know , it devices ,

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IOT devices and operational technology

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type devices to that network

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environment who has proponents for the

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cyber security dynamics of these other

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devices . Does it fall to income or

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Netcom or just curious for the army

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reserve specific installation that

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we're doing ? Those systems are air

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gapped so they are not connected

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directly to an army network . And so we

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avoid the cyber security challenges and

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that's what we intend to do with that

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particular vendor going forward for up

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to the next five years .

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OK . I think that is all the time we

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have . I wanna thank everybody uh great

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participation today . Thank you to the

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panel members for taking time . I know

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everybody's busy . Uh So if you

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see , I can just speak for myself . If

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you have additional questions and you

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see me walking around , I'll be more

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than happy to answer any additional

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questions . Thanks everyone and have a

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great a USA day .

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Hey sir . Tw Williams doing a lot of

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work .

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Ladies and gentlemen , ladies and

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gentlemen , coming next to the Warriors

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Corridor , transforming the unified

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network at echelon at 1430 .

