WEBVTT 00:05.760 --> 00:08.159 Who you are recruiting nation . Welcome 00:08.170 --> 00:10.739 to episode 15 . And as I mentioned in 00:10.750 --> 00:14.359 episode 14 , Chief Toto , uh re remains 00:14.369 --> 00:16.670 on his secret mission , uh but he'll be 00:16.680 --> 00:18.860 back for the next episode . And I'm 00:18.870 --> 00:21.440 really excited about this episode 00:21.450 --> 00:23.728 because we have , I have with me today , 00:23.809 --> 00:26.760 uh the Navy's Chief of Chaplains , Rear 00:26.770 --> 00:29.629 Admiral Greg Todd here to talk about 00:29.639 --> 00:31.760 the chaplain corps and recruiting and 00:31.770 --> 00:33.826 whatever else is on your mind . It's 00:33.826 --> 00:36.103 great to be here , Admiral . Thank you . 00:36.103 --> 00:38.326 Appreciate it . Yeah , absolutely . Can 00:38.326 --> 00:40.548 you give recruiters just a little sense 00:40.548 --> 00:42.770 of who you are and kind of your role as 00:42.770 --> 00:44.826 the chief of chaplains ? Yeah . So I 00:44.826 --> 00:47.840 joined the Navy in 1986 a few years ago 00:48.189 --> 00:51.860 and I have been in supporting the Navy , 00:51.869 --> 00:54.036 the Marine Corps and the Coast Guard . 00:54.036 --> 00:56.180 So not everybody knows that the Navy 00:56.189 --> 00:58.245 supplies the chaplain for the Marine 00:58.245 --> 01:00.979 Corps and for the Coast Guard as well 01:00.990 --> 01:03.270 as the Merchant Marine Academy . So our 01:03.279 --> 01:06.029 breadth is about 570,000 active duty 01:06.040 --> 01:07.984 personnel in their families . So a 01:07.984 --> 01:10.620 great opportunity to lead our team of 01:10.629 --> 01:13.220 about 900 active duty chaplains and 01:13.230 --> 01:16.160 another 250 reserve chaplains . Talk 01:16.169 --> 01:18.225 about punching above your weight . I 01:18.225 --> 01:19.891 mean , that's a lot . It's an 01:19.891 --> 01:22.058 incredible ratio . And I think many of 01:22.058 --> 01:23.725 the recruiters out there have 01:23.725 --> 01:25.780 interacted with chaplains throughout 01:25.780 --> 01:27.447 their time because all of the 01:27.447 --> 01:29.725 recruiters at some point or other , uh , 01:29.725 --> 01:32.830 in addition to being recruiters were on 01:32.839 --> 01:35.620 a ship at an aircraft squadron or some 01:35.629 --> 01:39.449 other initial duty , um , where , you 01:39.459 --> 01:41.403 know , the , the interactions with 01:41.403 --> 01:44.029 chaplains happen every day and they 01:44.040 --> 01:46.330 also happen in recruiting . Right . 01:46.580 --> 01:48.913 Right . You know , and that's the thing . 01:48.913 --> 01:51.080 Our best chaplain corps recruiters are 01:51.080 --> 01:53.136 the ones who've had interaction with 01:53.136 --> 01:55.247 chaplains who know chaplains and have 01:55.247 --> 01:57.302 been the beneficiaries of being with 01:57.302 --> 01:59.889 chaplains . Yeah . Yeah . So give the 01:59.900 --> 02:02.319 recruiters just a little bit of a sense 02:02.330 --> 02:04.552 of your perspective on the state of the 02:04.552 --> 02:07.050 chaplain corps . You know , what's the 02:07.059 --> 02:09.330 demand signal for chaplains ? I know 02:09.419 --> 02:12.490 we're gathered here in Colorado Springs 02:12.500 --> 02:15.410 with some of your leaders to talk about 02:15.419 --> 02:18.199 those things . Yeah , it is a challenge . 02:18.210 --> 02:21.710 We're at a point now where the Navy , 02:21.720 --> 02:23.942 the Marine Corps , the Coast Guard have 02:23.942 --> 02:26.070 all asked to for more chaplains . So 02:26.199 --> 02:28.088 the demand signal is up , they're 02:28.088 --> 02:30.310 asking us to grow . And of course , the 02:30.310 --> 02:32.449 challenge then is to recruit to those 02:32.460 --> 02:35.210 numbers . Some of the things that we're 02:35.220 --> 02:37.442 looking at on the horizon , some of the 02:37.442 --> 02:39.331 challenges that we're going to be 02:39.331 --> 02:41.498 facing , but even just the current day 02:41.498 --> 02:43.387 to day challenges , we found that 02:43.387 --> 02:45.609 chaplains can be that kind of helper to 02:45.609 --> 02:47.331 get them through some of those 02:47.331 --> 02:49.387 challenges . And one of the things I 02:49.387 --> 02:52.210 found interesting in the discussion 02:52.220 --> 02:55.440 right before I spoke to the chaplains 02:55.449 --> 02:58.860 down , there was this idea that mental 02:58.869 --> 03:00.729 health professionals are also 03:00.740 --> 03:03.100 recommending additional chaplains 03:03.110 --> 03:05.388 because of what you bring to the table . 03:05.388 --> 03:07.554 Right . Well , what they're finding is 03:07.554 --> 03:09.554 that with this generation , they've 03:09.554 --> 03:11.777 been encouraged to go get counseling if 03:11.777 --> 03:13.721 they have issues , which is a good 03:13.721 --> 03:15.666 thing , but in some respects , not 03:15.666 --> 03:17.888 everything is a mental health problem . 03:17.888 --> 03:19.999 Sometimes it's just the challenges of 03:19.999 --> 03:22.729 life , the challenges of maturing and 03:22.740 --> 03:24.962 those aren't always appropriate for men 03:24.962 --> 03:26.851 health providers and they are our 03:26.851 --> 03:28.962 partners . So chaplains can deal with 03:28.962 --> 03:30.962 some of the not quite mental health 03:30.962 --> 03:33.018 issues , mental health providers and 03:33.018 --> 03:35.129 mental health issues and we work as a 03:35.129 --> 03:37.382 team of partners on the issue . Yeah . 03:37.522 --> 03:39.689 Yeah . I mean , that's really , really 03:39.689 --> 03:41.701 important and so maybe give the 03:41.712 --> 03:43.768 recruiters just a little bit of your 03:43.768 --> 03:45.934 perspective on sort of the role of the 03:45.942 --> 03:48.082 Coppo . There's a , a program manager 03:48.091 --> 03:50.322 in my headquarters for the chaplain 03:51.134 --> 03:53.953 recruiting . What's your sense of how 03:53.964 --> 03:57.194 that's going and what things maybe , uh , 03:57.203 --> 04:00.253 do we need to sort of work on ? Yeah . 04:00.264 --> 04:02.914 You know , my , my charge to the Coppos 04:03.044 --> 04:05.044 is really twofold . I asked them to 04:05.044 --> 04:07.294 kind of think of it in two sides . Of 04:07.304 --> 04:09.026 course , one is to support the 04:09.026 --> 04:11.214 recruiting mission . I , I need more 04:11.223 --> 04:14.054 chaplains . I need more rps . So the 04:14.313 --> 04:17.553 Coppos to support the recruiters in 04:17.665 --> 04:19.609 that mission and to kind of be the 04:19.609 --> 04:21.946 professional end of that , to be able 04:21.955 --> 04:24.177 to articulate what we're looking for in 04:24.177 --> 04:26.122 terms of chaplains . But I've also 04:26.122 --> 04:28.122 asked the coppos to think about the 04:28.122 --> 04:30.335 recruiters as people , the challenges 04:30.346 --> 04:32.485 of recruiting . We get it , it's hard 04:32.656 --> 04:34.878 and it's , and the , the recruiters are 04:34.878 --> 04:36.996 doing amazing work . But we as 04:37.006 --> 04:38.895 chaplains also want to be able to 04:38.895 --> 04:40.950 provide support to the recruiters so 04:40.950 --> 04:43.117 that they're strong to be able to meet 04:43.117 --> 04:45.117 that mission . Yeah , it's , it's a 04:45.117 --> 04:47.937 great , uh , sort of dual role uh for 04:47.947 --> 04:51.388 that , uh chaplain , um program 04:51.398 --> 04:54.247 manager , the coppos , all , all of 04:54.257 --> 04:58.097 them , uh in chaplain , you know , 04:58.108 --> 05:00.275 doing the mission , uh the traditional 05:00.275 --> 05:02.727 mission of a chaplain as well as they 05:02.828 --> 05:05.187 also a recruiter , right ? And it's a 05:05.377 --> 05:08.497 lot and there's work to be done uh to 05:08.507 --> 05:11.640 get that , to get that flow in . So , 05:11.700 --> 05:14.220 you know , a as the officer of 05:14.230 --> 05:16.452 recruiters understand , but maybe not , 05:16.452 --> 05:18.674 not all recruiters understand . There's 05:18.674 --> 05:22.640 a few types of , of chaplains 05:22.649 --> 05:24.619 that we recruit or categories of 05:24.630 --> 05:26.630 recruiting , you know , sort of the 05:26.630 --> 05:28.519 director sessions . We've got the 05:28.519 --> 05:30.980 collegiate program and then there's a 05:30.989 --> 05:33.100 direct commission officer , the , the 05:33.100 --> 05:35.267 reserve chaplains , maybe a little bit 05:35.267 --> 05:37.589 of perspective on that and where the 05:37.600 --> 05:40.619 emphasis is and maybe , um where you 05:40.630 --> 05:43.450 might like it to , to move . Yeah . You 05:43.459 --> 05:46.269 know , I recognize it's a tough 05:46.279 --> 05:48.600 recruiting mission because we require a 05:48.609 --> 05:50.730 master's degree for all our chaplains 05:50.950 --> 05:53.730 and then the dod instruction requires 05:53.739 --> 05:56.017 two years of experience on top of that . 05:56.017 --> 05:58.790 Now , based on their maturity and all 05:58.799 --> 06:00.910 we can look at waiving that two years 06:00.910 --> 06:02.855 of experience , we can't waive the 06:02.855 --> 06:04.799 master's degree though . So you're 06:04.799 --> 06:06.688 coming to somebody who is already 06:06.688 --> 06:08.966 established in their career and saying , 06:08.966 --> 06:11.188 hey , do you want to join the Navy ? It 06:11.188 --> 06:13.355 doesn't always work that way . Right . 06:13.355 --> 06:15.299 So it , I think our , our greatest 06:15.299 --> 06:17.809 opportunity and we see it often uh in 06:17.820 --> 06:19.829 terms of the reserve community they 06:19.839 --> 06:22.140 meet and mission , not so on the active 06:22.149 --> 06:25.019 duty side , but the reserve uh 06:25.029 --> 06:27.196 community , there's an opportunity for 06:27.196 --> 06:29.709 us to move folks from the Reserve into 06:29.720 --> 06:32.209 active force . Uh They get a taste of 06:32.220 --> 06:34.225 what we offer and we can bring them 06:34.234 --> 06:36.290 over . But I think maybe the greater 06:36.290 --> 06:38.123 opportunity is in the collegiate 06:38.123 --> 06:40.123 program , what we call the chaplain 06:40.123 --> 06:42.714 candidate program . These are seminary 06:42.725 --> 06:44.964 students that are looking to it and if 06:44.975 --> 06:47.445 we can get them into that program early 06:47.454 --> 06:49.565 and give them a taste of what we do . 06:49.779 --> 06:52.309 They often are very enthusiastic and 06:52.320 --> 06:54.598 then we can get them on to active duty . 06:54.598 --> 06:56.431 So that's really our , our , our 06:56.431 --> 06:58.487 greatest opportunity before they get 06:58.487 --> 07:00.890 established in their job to really give 07:00.899 --> 07:03.177 them a taste of the Navy . Yeah . Yeah , 07:03.177 --> 07:05.399 it's really good . And the last time we 07:05.399 --> 07:08.519 talked , uh in Millington , we talked 07:08.529 --> 07:11.989 about sort of uh a chaplain national 07:12.000 --> 07:14.329 prospecting plan , sort of how many 07:14.339 --> 07:17.790 school visits how many calls , not , 07:17.799 --> 07:20.132 not to go into the nitty gritty of that , 07:20.132 --> 07:22.410 but sort of your perspective because 07:22.420 --> 07:25.220 you kind of brought that , uh , to me 07:25.230 --> 07:27.769 at the same time that I was sort of 07:27.779 --> 07:30.399 talking about that in broader terms to 07:30.410 --> 07:33.670 the recruiters . Um , but how , how do 07:33.679 --> 07:36.359 you see that ? Who , who do you , um , 07:36.369 --> 07:39.190 obviously I , I own the , the 07:39.200 --> 07:41.869 responsibility to make it happen . But , 07:41.880 --> 07:44.029 but just your thoughts on , on that 07:44.170 --> 07:46.690 when IW , what we're gonna be talking 07:46.700 --> 07:48.478 about this week with our senior 07:48.478 --> 07:50.649 chaplains and RPS . And really what I 07:50.660 --> 07:53.369 want to drive throughout our core is 07:53.380 --> 07:55.269 the responsibility of each of the 07:55.269 --> 07:57.684 chaplains to get that word out . We 07:57.695 --> 07:59.862 just have to tell people about what we 07:59.862 --> 08:02.084 do . And so that's kind of a full court 08:02.084 --> 08:05.015 press from everybody , go back to where 08:05.024 --> 08:08.114 you came from and tell your story , 08:08.125 --> 08:10.535 tell about Navy Chaplaincy . It's an 08:10.545 --> 08:13.709 amazing ministry . And so 08:13.720 --> 08:17.220 hopefully we'll get that energy going 08:17.230 --> 08:19.029 and the recruiters will be the 08:19.040 --> 08:22.309 recipients of an army of chaplains or 08:22.320 --> 08:24.230 maybe a Marine Corps of chaplains 08:24.239 --> 08:27.570 coming out to try to , to get that word 08:27.579 --> 08:29.859 out . Yeah , I think , uh , you know , 08:29.869 --> 08:32.000 the , you know , order of magnitude 08:32.010 --> 08:35.109 when you talk about 900 ish chaplains 08:35.119 --> 08:38.880 and our mission uh direct session is 08:38.890 --> 08:42.669 about 82 and uh , and the uh collegiate 08:42.679 --> 08:46.400 program is about 40 ish . Um , so 100 08:46.409 --> 08:50.340 and 20 ish there . Uh The , the ratio 08:50.349 --> 08:53.599 is really good , not that each chaplain 08:53.609 --> 08:55.609 is gonna go off and recruit another 08:55.609 --> 08:57.890 chaplain but are available to make that 08:57.909 --> 09:00.570 phone call . Or if , if a recruiter 09:00.580 --> 09:02.809 needs like , hey , I need somebody to 09:02.820 --> 09:05.849 tell the story that the Coppo can help 09:05.859 --> 09:07.809 connect that candidate either 09:07.820 --> 09:10.580 themselves or with another chaplain 09:10.590 --> 09:13.239 that has a similar denomination or a 09:13.250 --> 09:16.840 similar story about the value 09:16.849 --> 09:20.700 proposition of chaplaincy in the Navy . 09:20.710 --> 09:22.821 Oh , yeah . It's an , it's an amazing 09:22.821 --> 09:26.400 ministry unlike anything else . And we 09:26.409 --> 09:28.631 only have to tell that story . I was at 09:28.631 --> 09:31.039 a seminary up in , in , uh , near 09:31.049 --> 09:33.729 Boston , Gordon Conwell . I just told 09:33.739 --> 09:36.000 the story of what navy chaplains do 09:36.099 --> 09:38.210 being on ships , being with marines , 09:38.210 --> 09:40.321 being out with the coast guard . Just 09:40.321 --> 09:42.321 that , that being with people where 09:42.321 --> 09:44.599 they , where the rubber meets the road . 09:44.599 --> 09:46.599 And I , I still remember one of the 09:46.599 --> 09:48.766 students just stood up and said , uh , 09:48.766 --> 09:50.877 I , I want that I'll join right now . 09:50.877 --> 09:53.244 It's just getting the story out . Right . 09:53.255 --> 09:55.994 Right . Because , you know , so many 09:56.205 --> 09:59.474 have talked about this idea of low 09:59.484 --> 10:02.015 propensity and I imagine among seminary 10:02.025 --> 10:04.375 students and among , uh , professional 10:04.385 --> 10:06.835 clergy , uh , professional pastors , 10:06.844 --> 10:09.130 there's what we would say is low 10:09.140 --> 10:11.840 propensity . It doesn't mean it's anti 10:11.890 --> 10:14.090 service . I mean , is , don't know , 10:14.099 --> 10:16.155 they don't know . Right . They don't 10:16.155 --> 10:18.210 know . And that's what we're finding 10:18.210 --> 10:20.377 out more and more and more is that our 10:20.377 --> 10:22.599 story is just not getting out there and 10:22.599 --> 10:24.821 when they do get it , it's like , wow , 10:24.821 --> 10:26.766 it just blows their mind , right ? 10:26.766 --> 10:28.877 Because you get to do the things that 10:28.877 --> 10:31.099 they have imagined that they would love 10:31.099 --> 10:34.000 about ministry with a great group of 10:34.010 --> 10:37.049 people that have a great mission and , 10:37.059 --> 10:40.179 and do have and , and are under stress , 10:40.460 --> 10:42.700 right ? And you know , the Navy mission 10:42.710 --> 10:44.821 is not an easy mission , whether it's 10:44.821 --> 10:47.190 recruiting or driving a ship . Um and 10:47.200 --> 10:50.869 chaplains can , can really um add 10:50.880 --> 10:53.000 significant value . Well , and when I 10:53.010 --> 10:55.150 also tell religious leaders , I say , 10:55.309 --> 10:59.280 send us your people because sadly , 10:59.479 --> 11:01.646 seminaries don't always teach us a lot 11:01.646 --> 11:03.701 about leadership , but you come into 11:03.701 --> 11:06.090 the Navy and you learn so much about 11:06.099 --> 11:08.099 being a leader just by being around 11:08.099 --> 11:11.109 good leaders that you can learn those 11:11.119 --> 11:13.130 lessons and take them back into the 11:13.140 --> 11:15.849 religious world and be a better pastor , 11:15.859 --> 11:18.229 rabbi , priest and really be a 11:18.239 --> 11:20.072 contributor . That Yeah . Yeah , 11:20.072 --> 11:22.489 absolutely . So , when , when you think 11:22.500 --> 11:24.500 about the group of leaders you have 11:24.500 --> 11:27.070 downstairs , which is , um , uh , your 11:27.080 --> 11:30.119 captains and your captain selects , um , 11:30.289 --> 11:32.859 and our senior Chief rps . And that's 11:32.869 --> 11:35.099 true . Yes , and a and a couple other 11:35.109 --> 11:37.165 of your , your deputy as well as the 11:37.165 --> 11:39.965 reserve deputy . Um What , what are 11:39.974 --> 11:42.085 some of the things that you hope that 11:42.085 --> 11:44.395 they take away from the discussions 11:44.405 --> 11:47.994 here relevant to recruiting the next 11:48.005 --> 11:51.075 generation ? I really want them to own 11:51.085 --> 11:53.724 the challenge . It really is a , an us 11:53.734 --> 11:57.450 sort of issue . And how do we work with 11:57.460 --> 12:01.429 recruiters to make us successful in 12:01.440 --> 12:03.607 this you're right . The numbers aren't 12:03.607 --> 12:05.829 huge but if we are all working together 12:05.829 --> 12:08.162 on this and it's a full court press . I , 12:08.162 --> 12:10.162 I'm confident we get there . Yeah . 12:10.162 --> 12:13.010 Absolutely . And I know that recruiters , 12:13.020 --> 12:15.489 all of you recruiters out there , uh , 12:15.500 --> 12:18.409 you can get it done when we think about , 12:18.669 --> 12:21.289 um , the value proposition . You think 12:21.299 --> 12:24.130 about the , the job that we are 12:24.140 --> 12:27.030 advertising . Uh , it's a , it's a 12:27.039 --> 12:30.219 really meaningful job and the benefits 12:30.229 --> 12:32.530 are good too . Yeah . Yeah , it's so 12:32.539 --> 12:34.989 meaningful . I mean , the sense of 12:35.000 --> 12:37.760 satisfaction in the job is huge . But I 12:37.770 --> 12:39.659 also remember when I was a parish 12:39.659 --> 12:41.770 pastor , I was making 17,000 a year . 12:42.065 --> 12:44.065 And so it just kind of help me take 12:44.065 --> 12:46.176 care of my family as well . So it's a 12:46.176 --> 12:48.343 good thing . It's a good thing . Um So 12:48.343 --> 12:50.724 just when you reflect back on your 12:50.734 --> 12:53.885 journey , um But what are some of the 12:53.895 --> 12:55.844 things that , you know , maybe an 12:55.854 --> 12:58.969 anecdote or a story or two that , you 12:58.979 --> 13:01.929 know , l led to your firm commitment to 13:01.940 --> 13:04.909 continue the path all the way to the 13:04.919 --> 13:07.030 chief of chaplains . What , what kept 13:07.030 --> 13:09.530 you in ? Right . You know , I , I was 13:09.539 --> 13:12.080 gonna do one tour as an active dude . I 13:12.090 --> 13:14.479 said , I'll , I'll give it a shot . And 13:14.489 --> 13:16.729 it was really the people that kept me 13:16.739 --> 13:20.299 in and it was , um , uh , us S 13:20.309 --> 13:22.250 Chancellorsville was my , was my 13:22.260 --> 13:25.169 cruiser that I was a chaplain for . And 13:25.179 --> 13:27.570 I just , I made lifelong friends among 13:27.580 --> 13:30.369 my shipmates and people that I 25 years 13:30.380 --> 13:32.890 later , I'm still connected with that . 13:32.900 --> 13:36.130 That was very meaningful . L later on , 13:36.140 --> 13:37.918 I got to be part of some really 13:37.918 --> 13:40.690 meaningful missions . And uh uh I was 13:40.700 --> 13:42.867 first responder up in New York . After 13:42.867 --> 13:46.239 911 , I deployed with marines into 13:46.250 --> 13:48.570 combat and really felt like I was 13:48.580 --> 13:50.669 making a difference in their lives . 13:50.719 --> 13:53.140 And so the satisfaction in the mission 13:53.280 --> 13:56.640 also kept me in and uh now I'm stuck . 13:56.679 --> 13:59.260 I love it here . I love it . And , and 13:59.270 --> 14:01.659 that's the story . That's the kind of 14:01.669 --> 14:04.880 story uh that your fellows 14:04.890 --> 14:08.000 chaplains , uh the , the , the folks 14:08.010 --> 14:10.020 coming up through the ranks have 14:10.030 --> 14:12.030 similar stories . And those are the 14:12.030 --> 14:15.270 things that we in recruiting most value 14:15.580 --> 14:18.539 uh from the recruiting perspective in 14:18.549 --> 14:20.605 communicating with future candidates 14:20.605 --> 14:22.919 and in com in communicating with the 14:22.929 --> 14:25.151 those that influence those candidates , 14:25.151 --> 14:27.369 right ? The , the professors at 14:27.380 --> 14:30.419 seminaries , the , the um the folks 14:30.429 --> 14:33.770 that publish the , the , the 14:33.780 --> 14:37.000 periodicals for various denominations , 14:37.010 --> 14:39.549 right ? Getting them to know those 14:39.559 --> 14:42.719 stories . It was a retired navy 14:42.729 --> 14:44.951 chaplain who was dean of students at my 14:44.951 --> 14:47.118 seminary who got me thinking about the 14:47.118 --> 14:49.340 Navy . I mean , to your point , this is 14:49.340 --> 14:51.396 exactly what happened to me . That's 14:51.396 --> 14:53.396 right . That's awesome . So , as we 14:53.396 --> 14:56.190 wrap up any final thoughts for the 14:56.200 --> 14:58.500 recruiters , like , what would , when 14:58.510 --> 15:00.732 you , you know , just pretend this is a 15:00.732 --> 15:02.732 uh in all hands call and you have a 15:02.732 --> 15:04.954 chance to kind of walk among recruiters 15:04.954 --> 15:06.899 what would you want to tell them ? 15:06.899 --> 15:09.066 First off ? Just a thank you . I am so 15:09.066 --> 15:11.010 grateful to the recruiters who are 15:11.010 --> 15:13.232 working hard to recruit chaplains . I , 15:13.232 --> 15:15.390 I could not be more thankful and the 15:15.400 --> 15:17.700 ones you're bringing in are amazing . 15:17.940 --> 15:19.996 They are some , some great chaplains 15:19.996 --> 15:23.219 and doing great work . Please give us a 15:23.229 --> 15:25.989 call . If you need the support , we are 15:26.000 --> 15:28.000 here to help you . We're here to be 15:28.000 --> 15:30.020 teammates and just how can we work 15:30.030 --> 15:32.141 together to meet this mission ? Bring 15:32.141 --> 15:34.252 in more chaplains so that they can do 15:34.252 --> 15:36.252 some more good work . Yeah . Well , 15:36.252 --> 15:38.419 thank you . Thanks for taking the time 15:38.419 --> 15:40.840 today to join me for this podcast . Uh , 15:40.849 --> 15:43.465 super meaningful , I think for our , 15:43.474 --> 15:45.984 for our recruiters and in particular 15:45.994 --> 15:48.272 for those on the chaplain mission . So , 15:48.272 --> 15:50.438 thanks , I appreciate your support . I 15:50.438 --> 15:52.494 appreciate it . Admiral . It's great 15:52.494 --> 15:54.661 stuff . All right . All right . Whoa , 15:54.661 --> 15:56.827 recruiting nation . Thanks for uh your 15:56.827 --> 15:59.594 attention to this , the uh 15th episode 15:59.604 --> 16:02.325 of Uncharted Waters . This is Admiral 16:02.335 --> 16:04.385 James Waters . I'm out .