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Good morning , ladies and gentlemen ,

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distinguished delegates to the summit .

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I hope you all enjoyed the opening

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ceremony yesterday , as well as the

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reception dinner

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inclusive of the boat crew .

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This morning , we have an important

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plenary session which is planned to

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discuss human trafficking

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and migration and their impacts

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on security . When we talk about

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migration , when we talk about human

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trafficking , in most cases , we are

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thinking Europe

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suffice to mention distinguished

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delegates that there is a lot of this

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vice happening right here on our

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continent . One of the flash

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news items yesterday here in Zambia

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where you are was an interception

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of a truck laden with

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52 illegal immigrants from

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the horn of Africa heading down to

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South Africa . What we may

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not know is whether all

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these illegal immigrants , economic

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immigrants , others

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may have other motives of going

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to join terrorist activities

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where these are happening . And

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therefore this becomes a topical issue

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that should be discussed in a forum

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such as this one . It is

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my honor and privilege this morning .

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Ladies and gentlemen , to welcome the

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panel of experts that are going to

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discuss this topic this morning and for

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this session our moderator

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will be Brigadier General Kennedy

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SBE .

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General . Saom is currently serving as

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Director General education libraries

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and museums in the Zambia Army .

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He holds a master of arts in peace and

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conflict studies , which he obtained

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from the Copperbelt University , a

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bachelor of arts degree in education

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from the University of Zambia . And a

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diploma in defense and security studies

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also obtained from the University of

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Zambia . He is an

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accredited author with a professional

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Authors Association of Zambia , a

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researcher and he has written several

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articles in international journals ,

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newspapers and magazines . During his

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service , Brigadier General Ombe has

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held several appointments that includes

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Deputy director , education director of

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Records in the Zambia Army and Deputy

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Director General Education Libraries

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and museums . He has also served under

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the United Nations in the Democratic

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Republic of the Congo as a Staff

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Officer General SBE . Thank

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you very much for your attendance and I

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now invite you to come to the podium to

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introduce the panelists .

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Our distinguished delegates allow me

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to write on the protocol already so

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established by the director of programs .

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Thank you very much for the kind

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introduction . Ladies and gentlemen ,

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our esteemed delegates . It is a great

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honor and privilege to serve as

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moderator for this very important and

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multifaceted topic on human trafficking .

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Migration impacts on

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security , human trafficking and

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migration have significant impact on

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security encompassing various

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dimensions as we shall hear from our

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presenters and the insights that we

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shall get from the land Forces

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commanders . I look forward to

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facilitating a very successive

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discussion that will lead to actionable

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solutions so that we combat the

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security challenges that come about

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because of human trafficking and

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migration . TAO may not allow us to

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discuss all the areas of interest . But

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this presentation and the discussion is

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meant to ignite interests and further

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discussion on this topical issue allow

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me now to introduce the presenters for

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this important topic . The first

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presenter is Miss Blair Hans

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was just on my immediate left , Miss

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Blair Hans is currently serving as

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senior lecturer and the Oceania and a

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senior regional program leads in the

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regional advising division at the

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Institute for Security Governance .

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The institute is the institutional

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capacity building center of excellence

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for the defense Security Corporation

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agents as part of the Defense Security

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Corporation University . She is

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responsible for coordinating planning

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and executing institutional capacity

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building activities in support of

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country capabilities development and

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sustainment . Prior to joining the

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Institute in 2014 , she worked as a

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liaison for military to military

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exercises in the Indo Pacific region .

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MS Blair was commissioned in the United

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States Army from the California State

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University and retired from army

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in 2012 after serving for

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21 years in military intelligence and

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strategic plans and police . Her

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previous assignments include multi

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national military training and exercise

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planning for the USA Army

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Pacific , teaching political science

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and comparative politics at the United

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States Military Academy at West Point

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and postings to the United States Army

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Special Operations Command , the Second

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Airborne Division and the Second

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Infantry Division in South Korea . She

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holds a master's degree in Political

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Science . Ladies and gentlemen , join

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me in welcoming Miss Blair Hans .

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Our second presenter is Miss Nama

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Tama Mildred Pulo Saka . She

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is a gender advisor in the Southern

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African Development Community SADC

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Mission in Mozambique Samim where she

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has served for two years prior to her

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deployment to Samim . She served as a

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gender equality and social inclusion

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advisor . Previously , she has held

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several positions in the government of

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the Republic of Zambia , including

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director in the Ministry of Community

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Development and Social Services ,

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deputy director in the Ministry of

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Gender Documentaries in the Gender

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Development Division and as a librarian

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in the Ministry of Agriculture and

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Livestock . In her current position ,

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MS Sabir provides police and technical

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advice within Samim to the government

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of Mozambique and Partners regarding

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the advancement of gender equality and

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women's rights . Her specific areas of

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expertise include gender

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mainstreaming , prevention and response

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to gender-based violence , child ,

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marriage prevention of sexual

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exploitation to mention . But I fume ,

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she holds a master's degree in gender

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studies and a Bachelor's degree in

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Library and Information Science from

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the University of Zambia . She holds a

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postgraduate diploma in sexual and

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reproductive health and she has several

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certificates in various fields

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including peace support operations .

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Ladies and gentlemen , join me in

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welcoming Miss Sucker

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our third and last presenter is

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Professor Owen Stone . He is

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currently serving as a coordinator

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Zambia Catholic University Center for

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sustainable Development . Professor

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Sony is a Cambridge Ted and scholar and

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read his phd at ST Edmund's College

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Cambridge University . He has lectured

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at major Southern African Universities

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that include the University of Zambia

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Mong Universities and

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in South Africa , Cape Town Pretoria

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and in Zimbabwe . He was 2005 India

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Council for Cultural Relations , Nelson

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Mandela , professor for African Studies

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at the School of International

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Relations in New Delhi , India . From

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2001 to 2017 . He served as

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proposal reviewer , selector and

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researcher advisor for researchers

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working on the theme African youth in a

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global age and next generation Social

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Sciences in Africa Fellowship Program

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for the Social Science Research Council

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in New York . From 2015 to

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2023 . He has participated in the

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annual CJ operations , Uhuru as head of

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civilian components and head of mission

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Uhuru at Zambia Command and Staff

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College , Botswana Command and Staff ,

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courage , and Zimbabwe Command and

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staff courage . Other public

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assignments include membership to the

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electoral Eminent Persons Group

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Advisory Committee on Electoral

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Commission of Zambia and Presidential

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Commission of Inquiry into voting

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patterns and electoral violence in

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Zambia . As a professor , he has

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published several

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publications . Ladies and gentlemen

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join me in welcoming Professor Owen

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Stone ,

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our distinguished delegates . Each

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presenter is allotted 10 to 12 minutes

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to do the presentation . Thereafter I

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open the floor to the delegates

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especially priority will be given to

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the land Forces commanders to share

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their insights on the topic and

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discussion . And I request that we are

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as brief as possible so that we allow

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as many comments as possible within

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the time allotted to us . It is now my

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rare honor and privilege to welcome to

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the podium , Miss Blair Hans .

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Good morning . Ladies and gentlemen ,

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it's an honor to be here . I know the

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topic today is migration and

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trafficking . But I'd like to focus on

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the gender considerations related to

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these topics . Migration is only part

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of the challenge that we face as a a

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world , refugees and internal

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displacement are similar and often

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linked issues that countries face that

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create conditions favorable for

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traffickers . Why do people move

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climate conflict and commerce trying to

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be a little bit clever there with all

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the seas ? But you get the idea , often

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these challenges or reasons are seen as

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political or economic , not directly or

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security related issues . So why should

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we in the defense and security realms

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care about it ? Because populations on

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the move impact our operational

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environments and if not addressed can

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create security threats . I'd like to

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propose that adding gender as a

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planning consideration can hance and

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improve results .

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The basis for proposing a gender

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perspective can be found in un security

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resolution 1325 which I'm sure many of

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you are familiar with this for this

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panel , the prevention and protection

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pillars are relevant . But all four are

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useful for us to consider .

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So who are the vulnerable in

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displacement and migration , women ,

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girls and boys are often the ones we

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focus on but the widows handicapped and

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other populations can also be

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considered vulnerable in these um

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phases . Why are they vulnerable ?

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The breakdown of society that comes

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with crisis reduces or removes the

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normal societal protections . What

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are these vulnerabilities ? Trafficking

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is one of the big ones and the one that

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we are focusing on today . But there

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are some other additional

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vulnerabilities that are listed here .

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So how can security and defense forces

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prepare and plan to reduce threats to

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vulnerable populations ? Here are some

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practical considerations and planning

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factors ranging from how you arrange

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camps for the migrants or refugees or

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displaced aid , distribution plans ,

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health access representation and

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general security in camps or areas

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where this displaced are held .

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Here are some recommendations . These

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are mine , they are not from the US

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government , the gender

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advisors at all , staff planning levels ,

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incorporation of local national and

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regional women's organizations in

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preparation and response . Africa has

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an amazing tradition of strong civil

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society and women led and women focus

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groups to refer to . And the third

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is training and awareness on

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trafficking indicators for all

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personnel along with resources to

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address and support the victims .

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In summary , trafficking is a risk for

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vulnerable populations and this risk is

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higher during any displacement event .

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Women , girls and boys are some of the

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most vulnerable of society .

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There are normative roles and

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responsibilities for defense and

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security forces to protect vulnerable

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populations but also practical threat

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prevention considerations to do so .

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Having knowledgeable people in the

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planning for operations , the gender

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advisors , the women's groups , anti

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trafficking experts can help your

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forces to be better prepared to respond

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for the tra trafficking challenges ,

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better support victims and reduce

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potential security threats to your

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forces . Thank you .

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Good morning . Allow me

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to thank the government of the Republic

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of Zambia and the US government

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for inviting me to participate in this

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important event . So my role is to talk

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about the impact of violent extremism

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on women and Children in Kabo Delgado

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province of Mozambique .

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I won't talk about the presentation

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outline . I'll go straight into uh

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making the actual presentation . So the

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background is that the sadc mission in

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Mozambique was deployed in July

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2021 . Uh The initial plan was

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that it should just run for six months ,

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but it has since been in existence for

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three years now . So Cabo

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Delgado province has been under siege

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by the insurgents since 2017 .

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And it is estimated that over a million

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people have been displaced within Kabo

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Delgado and the majority are women and

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Children as widows and as orphaned

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and more than 5000 people have died

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since 2017 .

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So the impact of um violent

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extremism on women is that there are ,

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there is high rate of gender based

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violence within the communities and

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also in the ID P camps , there is a

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high rate of food insecurity within

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the the province . There is , there are

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some cases of um sexual exploitation

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and abuse that have been reported

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within the communities , especially

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when the pe the internally displaced

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persons are supposed to register for

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humanitarian assistance . There are

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also high rates of child marriages

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and teenage pregnancies within the

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communities .

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Most of the Children have been affected

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because the majority haven't been to

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school for over three years now . So

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when there is no , when they are not

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attending school , it means there are a

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lot of other issues that come with it .

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Hence , the high rate of teenage

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pregnancies and some parents feel they

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would rather marry off some of their

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Children so that they get rid of

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feeding more mouths .

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Those are some of the statistics on

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gender based violence . We have about

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76% of reported cases

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which are sexual exploitation and abuse .

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And then we have 11% of

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uh adolescent girls that have reported

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cases of GB V within those communities .

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Child marriage is uh

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accounted for 17% of

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GB V cases and

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6% of those cases are

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reported to have been committed by non

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state armed groups . And

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22% of the gender-based violence

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cases were reported when women and

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girls were trying to flee for safety .

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Women have been used

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as uh for sexual um

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satis satis satisfaction within

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those camps of the

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terrorists . Some of the girls have

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been abducted from communities

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and some of the women i involved

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and are believed to be helping with

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teaching the young girls within those

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um terrorist communities in the

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forests . There have been some reports

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of elderly women who have been found

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within those camps . Some of the

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studies also show that some

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women have been recruited to be able

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to help with intelligence because most

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of them have information on what

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happens in those communities .

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So the women are abducted because they

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have to continue with the traditional

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roles that they perform within the

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communities . For example , the women

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have been used to carry the rooted the

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looted um commodities , whether weapons

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or medical uh um

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services and also

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the items that have been rooted from

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those communities . There is also

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emerging knowledge that violent

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extremists like to recruit women

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leaders who have positions within the

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communities .

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So the situation of returnees within

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Koga , you may wish to note that the

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majority of people have returned in

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those communities where they came from

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approximately about 632,000

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people have returned . Unfortunately ,

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even in the communities where they've

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gone , they do not have access to basic

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services such as such as health

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facilities , uh education facilities

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and also water and sanitation

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facilities . Some of them who are still

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in the ID P camps or in the host

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communities have decided to get back to

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the original places , not because the

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conditions are better there , but

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because there have been some conflicts

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again that have erupted within those

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communities where they have been um

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hosted .

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So um infrastructure also is not

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yet restored such as police stations

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which were destroyed during the

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conflict . The school infrastructure

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also has not yet been rehabilitated .

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Hence having most of the Children still

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in communities without going to school .

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There is limited support to returnees

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as both areas of retain and where they

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are coming from are still lacking

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infrastructure . The humanitarian

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assistance also is limited as we will

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see that WFP started

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distributing food and other

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necessities . Unfortunately , the

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numbers are more than what is being

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distributed . So

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Samim has done some um activities

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within Kabo Oga . For example , we

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implemented the early response

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mechanism program where women , youth

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and persons with disabilities benefited

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from capacity building programs .

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And also Sam I was able to

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mobilize about 200,000 from U NDP to

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help with the rehabilitation of Nanga ,

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the airstrip so that we'll be able to

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distribute humanitarian assistance .

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We also conducted some dialogue

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sessions for them to be able

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to get back to their communities and

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also enable a smooth transition and

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live in harmony as they get back to

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their communities . We also

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capacitated 200 and

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80 women and youth with skills

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development . We also

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capacitated 96 internally displaced

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persons with uh with um

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information on gender based violence

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prevention and response and also

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prevention of sexual exploitation and

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abuse .

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The we also mobilized about

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$160,000

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to uh to conduct some

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capacity building programs on

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gender-based violence for community

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members and also service providers in

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order to be able to prevent and also

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respond to gender-based violence . We

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prepared about 175 civic leaders

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to be able to conduct dialogues within

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those communities because it seems most

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of the people do not trust each other

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in those communities . So these

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dialogues will help them to be able to

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talk to each other and come up with

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solutions the

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challenges . The first challenge is

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that gender inequalities are deeply

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rooted in culture .

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The other challenge is that conflict is

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still ongoing , it hasn't stopped .

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So the conflict is still ongoing .

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Therefore , implementing certain

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activities or programs is hindered .

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There is also a lack of funds to be

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able to continue with some of the

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activities that we started . The

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other challenge is that there is high

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illiteracy levels within the

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communities . You may wish to note that

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only 30% of people within Cabo Delgado

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can speak Portuguese . And yes ,

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Portuguese is the official language

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within Mozambique . So when you have

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activities , it becomes a challenge to

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ensure that you sensitize them using

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the correct language which they

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understand as most of them speak MauA

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or Makonde or Kan .

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The other challenge is that there are

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high levels of poverty within those

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communities and therefore , some

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parents feel they should marry off

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their Children , for example , to be

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able to get rid of some mouths to feed

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within their , their homes . There are

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also people who have been marginalized

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and so they feel aggrieved

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and they , they will , they will then

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they will be able to join the the

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terrorists . Most of the

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survivors lack knowledge or

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information on services that are

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provided within those communities .

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The other challenge is that there is

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lack of integrated treatment centers

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such as one stop centers for them to

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seek uh GB V services .

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There is also weak enforcement of laws

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resulting in delayed disposal of cases

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leading to people losing faith in

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pursuing such cases . For example , in

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most of those communities , when there

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is a GB V case , they have to take that

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case to Pemba which is the headquarters .

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So for people to pursue those cases ,

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they feel lazy and some of them do not

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have resources to be able to get to the

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headquarters . Some of the people who

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have lost everything are returning to

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areas where services and humanitarian

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assistance are largely not available .

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There is a concern about risks people

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may face should they continue to return

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where they they they came from ?

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There is also limited services to meet

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basic needs such as health , food

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education , uh sexual and

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reproductive health allow me to talk

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about uh food , for example , limited

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access to food . My grandfather used to

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tell us that there are three types of

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people that are very difficult to

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advise . The first are those in love .

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A person in love is very difficult to

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advise . The second person is that

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one in who is jealous . And the last

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person who is difficult to advise is a

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hungry person . So when there is no

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food , people can do anything to just

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get something to eat . So

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some of the recommendations or

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necessary actions . The first one is

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that stakeholders need to

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help the government of Mozambique to be

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able to implement the re the

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reconstruction plan through the Arden

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Agency . The other one is that there is

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need to conduct a gender analysis when

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coming up with programs to implement in

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those communities .

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There is also significant demand for

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mental health and psychosocial support .

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Most of the people have witnessed their

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relatives , their male relatives

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beheaded , for example , or they've

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been killed . So they have been

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traumatized for a long time and yet

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there are no services . So we need

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mental health uh uh and psychosocial

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support services within those

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communities . There is also need to

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rehabilitate the school infrastructure

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so that the Children should return to

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school . They've been in communities

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for over three years . So that is a

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time bomb if we do not take care of

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that . So in

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conclusion , I'm saying terrorism and

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violent extremism continue to be global

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issues demanding international co

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ordination policy and legal

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approaches to win the fight .

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Thank you . Very much Muito O Briga ,

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Messy Boko

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Distinguished delegates . Good morning

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one more time . Uh Let me

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also thank e the co

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hosts of this important conference for

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inviting me . And in today's

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presentation , I'll probably leave you

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with more questions than answers uh

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Since we are dealing with an ongoing

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challenge . Uh But where

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possible , I will try to uh suggest a

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few uh possible solutions .

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Uh My topic is human trafficking and

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migration impacts on security . And

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I've tried to give an

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historical as well as a , a

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contemporary look at this uh

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very normal , very natural human

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population movement um

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process . Uh Next slide ,

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please .

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So uh the outline of my presentation is

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that I will introduce

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historically , the beginning of the e

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involvement of human populations in

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migration , emphasizing that freedom of

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movement is a liberating thing and

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that where the freedom of movement

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is controlled or regulated or even

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hindered that that's where security

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problems are likely to arise .

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I will look at one example of this ,

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which is our own experience in Southern

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Africa of colonial prohibitions on free

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movement . And uh how the restricted

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access to land to water housing and

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other resources is was

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very closely linked to this restriction

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on human population movements . And

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indeed , we might say it was the

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response to these restrictions which e

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engendered what we call the

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independence movement . If it wasn't

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for these restrictions , it's possible

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that people might have continued to be

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happy to be part of the British Empire .

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But because of the inherent

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inequalities in these restrictions , it

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became clear that if they were to

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improve their well being and everybody

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wants to improve their well being ,

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then British rule had to come to an end .

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And of course , there are security , eh ,

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issues connected with that , eh ,

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uh dialectical relationship between

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domination and resistance . I will then

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look at uh today's challenge of

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collective security in the African

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Union's regional economic communities ,

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in particular , in our case , the

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Southern African development community

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and com ES A and uh

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these regional economic

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communities are very aware of the

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strength that lies in their unity .

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They are also very aware of the

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weakness that is obtained from the

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balkanization of the continent .

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Unfortunately , mo uh most of these

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processes are behind schedule . We

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have yet to have a common currency . We

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have yet to have a , a common market

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even and even the freedom of movement

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within the boundaries of , of Africa

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are restricted . So if you would

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imagine taking a road trip

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from um east coast to west coast in in

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the US and having to apply for visas

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for every state boundary that you cross ,

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would that even be an attractive uh

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holiday ? So for us , in

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Africa , we sometimes need to apply for

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visas to visit a neighboring country ,

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a neighboring country in which some of

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the people across the border are your

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own close relatives . And even this has

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security , eh , connotations

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because when , uh , what we might call

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bandits in , as they call them in , in

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Nigeria , cross the border and are

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given refuge , they are given refugees ,

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refugee status , not by the government

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but by the villagers who are their

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cousins or uncles . We , we saw this in

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the Zambian case with Renamo in ,

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in , uh Mozambique , whether they

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crossed into Malawi or Zambia , they

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were within their own old kingdom

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boundaries and amongst their own

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relatives . So it's very difficult to

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control the behavior of people who are

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merely doing their familial duty of

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looking after their relatives . So

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winning hearts and minds in that

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situation is a major challenge which e

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needs to go beyond a simple

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sensitization . Uh Next slide ,

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please . So as I was saying ,

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freedom of movement is natural . It has

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always been linked with the search for

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greener pastures , the search for a

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better life . And uh the picture I

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I've put up you are very familiar with

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is from the annual migration of the

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wildebeest in East Africa . Uh

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There is one also across the Angola

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Zambia border , very similar kind of

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composition of animals . It's a

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smaller and less well known , but the

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push and pull factors of this migration

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process are the same . The animals are

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looking for rain , they are looking for

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green grass and the hunting animals

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follow where their prey goes .

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So e if

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the search for greener pastures is

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normal , if it makes sense if it's

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biologically , eh eh , required from

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time to time , why should it be

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restricted ? Uh Next slide please .

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Um The restrictions from the colonial

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period were linked to

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mobilizing the labor force from the

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villages to work in the mines but not

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permitting them to become permanently

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urbanized . And in that whole

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arrangement , the colonial authorities ,

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the missionaries and the village elders

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connived to keep the young women in

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particular out of the labor migration

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process . It was only for the young men

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and they would work until their

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contracts came to an end . After which

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they would go back to the village ,

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whether they wanted to or not .

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This kind of attitude to migration that

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it's ok for young men , but it's not

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for young women is still present in

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some of our cultural attitudes which

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have been mentioned and also in

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policies . But where you have ee a

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conflict as was mentioned

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earlier in relation to Mozambique , uh

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you have what we call forced migration .

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In other words , when , when people are

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made to move , not because they are

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necessarily looking for greener

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pastures , but because they are looking

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for safety and security to save their

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own lives . However , it's important to

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note that around 3.6% of the world's

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population , only 3.6% of the

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world's population lives outside their

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country of birth . So although human

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migration is associated with all sorts

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of security and other problems , the

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majority of people have not left their

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home country and those who have left

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their home country have tended to move

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next door , as I said , amongst their

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relatives . So whether it's in

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Afghanistan , they go to Pakistan or

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Iran or in the case of Zambia

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Mozambicans and Angolans cross within

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walking distance of the border and they

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are , they remain amongst their own

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people . Sometimes they have been

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repatriated at the end of the conflict

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and other times they've been

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assimilated . So you might want to

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think about that , which is the more

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permanent solution , assimilation or

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repatriation or should it be left for

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the refugees to choose ?

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And uh in the process ,

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in the case of human trafficking ,

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which is closely connected with the

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forced migration , I will use the US

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Department of Justice definition which

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says human trafficking is a crime that

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involves compelling or coercing people

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to provide labor services or to engage

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in commercial acts . And the Southern

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African development community also uses

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a similar definition emphasizing that

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young women as are the most vulnerable

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to traffickers . However ,

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from my own experience , I've seen that

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sometimes people approach the

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traffickers in order to uh

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gain access to the greener pastures ,

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which I mentioned earlier . So we tend

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to see them as victims but they see the

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traffickers as merely providing a

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migration service . Now , the question

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is why is this migration service not

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provided by the authorities

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because the gap or the the demand for

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this service has emerged from this ee

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perception that certain governments are

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not on our side that or or that the

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legal authorities put barriers

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before the migrant rather than

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facilitating their movement , whether

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they are migrant workers or even in

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some cases , refugees . And it's not

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surprising that some of the most

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uh strong barriers against migration

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are to be found in Europe . Hence the

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term fortress Europe now fortress

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Europe has been working hand in

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hand with some African governments to

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try and police this movement . And of

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course , the emphasis is on the illegal

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activities because obviously human

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traffickers can also be drug

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traffickers and small arms traffickers

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and so on . That's the experience we

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have seen in the past . Uh but

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we shouldn't just focus on those

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negative aspects because there are some

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genuine migrants who don't receive the

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support that they should . In fact , if

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you look at the refugee statutes ,

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whether from the UN or the

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organization of African Unity now

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called the uh the African Union ,

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you'll find a a more user

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friendly approach dating to the end of

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the Second World War and also in the

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African case to the period of the

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independent struggle . So making

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the attainment of refugee status

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difficult only creates opportunities

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for the traffickers . Uh Next uh

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slide please . So

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human traffickers and smugglers are

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linked to slave trading , to arms ,

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small arms trading

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and even to terrorism .

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And I was thinking uh in the case of

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stowaways , I'm sure you've heard of

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Stowaways who go on a ship , not

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knowing where it's heading , just

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hoping to get to greener pastures . And

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in the southern African case , the most

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common example we have is , uh , of

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Stowaways on Intercontinental airliners .

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So think about it if a Stowaway

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can get to a jumbo jet , so can

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somebody carrying a bomb and the

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airport perimeter shouldn't be , eh ,

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so easy to , to access . But southern

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Africans have been recorded in London ,

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falling off a plane as it releases its ,

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eh , E ws in on the line of

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approach and the bodies that are by

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then , um , pro probably dead , eh ,

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fall onto the ground . There has been

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at least one survivor . So it's

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possible to get to the promised land as

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it were . But , uh , what we

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need to look at here is that security ,

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human security is not just about

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defending borders . Of course , that is

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important . And I would say defending

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borders is probably more effectively

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done by most of our governments than

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defending the citizens are already

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inside from criminal , from health ,

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from all these other challenges that

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are less spectacular than when your ,

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uh national sovereignty is violated .

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Uh , last uh slide , please .

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So , uh , before I I end , uh , and

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thank you for your attention , let me

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just leave you with some questions .

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What are the root causes and what are

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the potential solutions ? Do we want to

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patch up or do we want to put an end

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to human insecurity uh

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who is the real protector of uh the

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citizen ? Is it the state or is it the

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state in collaboration with civil

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society and uh the the rest of society ?

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And finally , the one that I really

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want to underline is why should any

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citizen approach traffickers for

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this ability to move to

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greener pastures instead of the

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government ? I think if we can solve

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that , that problem , we will have uh

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gone a long way to reducing the

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insecurity that is associated with the

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process . Thank you .

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Thank you very much for your kind

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attention . A gig from our presenters ,

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Miss Hans focused

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on why and how we should

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as a defense and security organization

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care about gender . Her emphasis was

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on the gender aspects that

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come about because of human trafficking .

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Mr Matama came in and gave us a

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practical example of how violent

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extremism has caused and thought

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suffering in Mozambique . And to some

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extent , it has also caused human

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trafficking and forced migration .

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Professor Stone comes with a different

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dimension where he looks at

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migration as a natural human

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phenomenon that must be looked at from

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a different angle so that we support

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our brothers and sisters who are

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looking for greener pastures before we

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term them as criminals . So before I

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open up the discussion , I think I will

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just pose one or two questions to our

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presenters . The first one , I think I

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want to give an opportunity to Miss

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Hans to just amplify on her argument

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that human trafficking is higher

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during period of displacement .

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Madam Hams , you may wish to share with .

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Hello . Yes , I can sing now .

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Um Thank you very much for the

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opportunity to clarify . So when people

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are displaced , they no longer have

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access to the resources or security

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that they have when they're in their

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home or in their own um community . So

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they're more vulnerable to being

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recruited , coerced , deceived ,

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abducted , sold , paid ,

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paid or promised a job for money by

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traffickers . And then the traffickers

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will then ex exploit them . Once a

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person is in the hands of traffickers

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either voluntarily or involuntarily ,

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they're at the mercy of the traffickers

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doubly . So because the traffickers

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often take their passport or have their

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identity page , but also because

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traffickers are usually moving these

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people across borders illegally . So

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whether it's voluntarily or not , they

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have broken laws by entering a third

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country or another country . So again ,

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during displacement periods , when

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people , whether it's again for crisis

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conflict or looking for greener

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pastures , um they are vulnerable to

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being exploited by traffickers

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at uh and Miss Nama Tama , your

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emphasis was painting a picture of what

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is happening in Mozambique . And you

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have a covered that aspect where you

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have indicated that women and Children

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are the most affected by violent

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extremism . But I want to give you an

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opportunity to talk to the land forces

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commanders . What role do you see them

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play or to prevent

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and provide mitigation on the impact of

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violent extremism . As you have

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indicated that it is one of the causes

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of human trafficking . I think you can

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give an appeal . They are here , they

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are listening to you . Thank you very

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much for giving me this opportunity to

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answer your question . So um the

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first um action that the land

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force commanders should do is to

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participate in strategic planning

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sessions to address the root causes

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of violent extremism . This involves

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collaborating with other military

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branches , government NGO S

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and international partners to develop

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comprehensive strategies that address

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the socio-economic , political and

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ideological drivers of violent

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extremism . The second aspect is to

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prioritize training programs

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for troops to enhance their

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understanding of , of um the

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understanding the dynamics of violent

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extremism , human trafficking and

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migration . This includes education

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on identifying vulnerable populations ,

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understanding radicalization

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processes and employing appropriate

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intervention techniques . The the third

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aspect I looked at was community

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engagement . Land force commanders

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can foster relationships with local

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communities to gain trust and

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gather intelligence on extremist

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activities by engaging communities .

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They can identify at risk .

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Individuals provide support and

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resources and counter extremist

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narratives through dialogue and

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education programs . The fourth aspect

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was bo border security and surveillance .

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Land force commanders are often

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responsible for border security and

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surveillance operations . They can

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deploy resources to monitor and control

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borders to to prevent trafficking of

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women and Children as well as the

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movement of extremists across borders .

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The fifth aspect is humanitarian

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assistance and the sixth one

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is rule of law and justice . And the

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last but not least is information

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operations to mention a few . Thank you .

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Thank you very much , Professor Owen

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Stoning . Uh You have given us a

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historical perspective or dimension of

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migration and I should mention that the

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professor was my lecturer when I was

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doing studies at Cooper University and

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is renowned for asking very tough

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questions . Now today I'm on the other

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side , I think I have to also revenge

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and give him tough questions . OK .

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That is on the right note . So

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Professor , these land force commanders ,

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I think their mandate is to defend and

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protect the territorial integrity of

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their respective countries . And then

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you are bringing in another dimension

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of looking at migration where they

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should focus on the human security .

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You may wish to maybe amplify on that

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dimension where you are encouraging

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them to look at the human aspect that

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these men and women , they are denying

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entering into their country . Their

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countries are looking for greener

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pastures for them . As far as they are

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concerned , they have to , to , to

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defend the territorial integrity of

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their countries , maybe may want to ,

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to amplify on that one .

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Uh Thank thank you very much uh for

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that question . As I said , when it

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comes to defending the national

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sovereignty , most of our armies are

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very effective there .

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And the what is essentially an

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immigration problem lies with home

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affairs and not with defense . Uh

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However , the definition of security

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that I was working with a namely human

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security goes beyond state borders .

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It's about the total

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comprehensive well being of

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citizens . And yes , in the

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case of Zambia , uh

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the land forces have a tradition of

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participating in agriculture , uh

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participating in sports , participating

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in all the areas of human endeavor . So

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they are actively involved in

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non-military activities that enhance

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the security of the , of the population .

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However , ah the

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state as a whole . In other words , all

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the different eu units of the state

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do have a social contract with their

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citizens , with their , their voters .

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And that's why I would like us to think

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those countries that are secure , those

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countries that have not had civil wars

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and have not had the mass migration out

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of their borders . What are they doing ?

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Right . What have they done right up to

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now ? And those countries that are in

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perpetual conflict , what is the root

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cause ? What are they doing wrong ?

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And even those countries that have very

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firm and uh well defended borders ,

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but situations of criminal anarchy

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inside the boundaries . What is the

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explanation ? There's a limit

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to um the extent to which you can use

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the armed forces to solve civilian

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problems . And so we do need to look at

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the whole package of state

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citizen relationships and also of

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army police , correctional services

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and social welfare arms of the

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government because if I'm looking for

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greener pastures , it means the grass

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on my side of the river is dry

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or has completely succumbed to

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desertification . And that is a

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preventable process . That's basically

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the , the angle that I was uh trying to

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highlight for further discussion .

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Thank you . Thank you very much for

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that response and I want to give

