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Yeah . Yeah . Mhm .

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Good morning everyone . Okay .

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Um we're having this town hall today to

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address any questions that you may have

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concerning uh the mandate that you must

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take the covid , 19 vaccination

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and some of the issues that

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you'll have the questions people on the

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panel will be able to answer . Ah to

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me , this is not about

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a political issue because in this

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uniform we are a political . So it's

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about doing what we're asked to do .

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And the two my two top priorities for

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the Alabama , National Guard or

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retention and readiness . And

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this vaccination affects both of those .

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But most of all it affects readiness .

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Individual readiness because you need

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to be ready to answer the nation's

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call to fight and win our wars or

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whenever our state needs us to support

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them and help them . Like we have been

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in the covid vaccine , uh hurricane

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responses , tornado responses , flood

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responses , winners coming up . Ice

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storm responses . You need to be

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physically ready to do this .

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So that is one of the important reasons

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I encourage you to take the vaccination .

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A lot has been said about the mandates

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and uh the Governor's involvement in

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the mandate . Well , Governor Ivey is

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not gonna issue . She has said she is

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not going to issue a statewide mandate

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that everyone get a vaccination , but

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she has plainly stated , Get the

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shot and I encourage

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you to do the same . That's what

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um to me , your decision on

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whether to get the shot or if you

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decide not to get the shot is linked to

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the army values are values of loyalty

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to the organization , a duty , uh ,

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respect , selfless

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service , honesty ,

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integrity and personal courage .

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So as we go through today , I know

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you'll have a lot of questions that we

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hope to answer . But bottom line

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is we have been told you will get the

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shot and I

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encourage you to do that .

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So I look forward to hearing what your

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questions are going to be today . Thank

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you ma'am . So with that , I'd like to

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begin this town hall . We have opened

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up a website , the Alabama National

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Guard website for questions which we

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have received . I will read some of

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those questions today and would very

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much like you to raise your hand and we

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will get your questions incorporated as

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well . With that said , our first

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question came from a PFC who was not

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sure he would be heard . He asked

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my concerns are the legitimate

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legitimacy of the effectiveness of this

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vaccine . In short is it truly

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effective ? It's a great question .

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You know , they've , they've studied

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vaccines a lot over the years and in

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particular this one has been immensely

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studied because of all of the uh ,

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information that's been going around .

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People put a lot of work into

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understanding the effectiveness of the

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vaccines and the results can be

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confusing , particularly if you're not

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used to looking at scientific data

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first measuring the effectiveness of

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the vaccine is kind of like looking at

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a football team's defense . Part of it

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has to do with who they're playing .

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And so in one game that defense can

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look very good in another game against

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a different team it can not look so

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good . So that's part of it . But first

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um covid has been going around and

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it depends upon how many people are

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infected with it . What the status of

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those individuals are , how many are

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vaccinated , even what activities

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people are up to . So that if they're

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outside and spread apart , that's gonna

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look different than say in the

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wintertime , when people are more

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clustered together in buildings and not

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being as as socially distanced as they

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would normally be . So second part of

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this in terms of looking at the

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effectiveness of the vaccine , it does

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reduce the risk of infection

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dramatically . But remember there's

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always risk . Okay , no matter what we

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do , it's like crossing the street ,

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you're gonna look both ways before you

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cross the street are just going to step

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out into traffic . This is one of the

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things that we can do and it's like

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looking both ways . So how effective

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are the vaccines ? Some of the early

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data put out showed the effectiveness

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of the vaccine after just one dose ,

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not even the full complete dose . And

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this was a study put out by fighter .

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One of the leading manufacturers of the

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vaccine And within 10 days of the first

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dose , the line separating the

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unvaccinated people who are on the

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placebo compared to the ones who are on

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the study by 10 days . That line was

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already separating . So the vaccines

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are effective . Yeah .

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And I do have the data If in the

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breakout session and be happy to show

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it to you . Thank you sir . I'll

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ask another question from the site and

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then I'll ask for um hands up for

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anybody who has a question . This is an

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administrative question . And it

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pertains to the video that was asked

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for everyone to view . And the question

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is , what better resources are there

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than the recommended video ? Good

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morning . Everybody . How many of you

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have seen the video that this person

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asked about because I had to research

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it and I looked at it . No Academy

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Awards are going to be given in that

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video . If you haven't seen it . It is

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a cartoon CDC cartoon , very factual .

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But guess what the focus of trying to

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look at that video and some of the

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stuff takes away from what you're there

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to get . So that's just factual .

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That's what it is . Um But here's the

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point of the question . Here's my

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answer to the point of that question .

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All the media on this subject is all

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over the road . It's everywhere . You

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can go this this route for a while .

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You can go this route for a while and

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whatever you research , you get

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different answers . The truth is in the

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middle is where we need to make do our

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homework and and actually do factual

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research . I I encourage you all of our

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leadership , encourage you do your

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factual research to find out what is

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the truth on this and not be through a

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social media tangent that just takes

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you down a path . That is not correct .

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And I learned a long time ago ,

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Wikipedia is not always right . It's a

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good source to kind of go look at but

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but it's not always right people right ,

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that social media and we all know it .

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You can you can go through social media

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and look at something , read it . Ask

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another question through your google .

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Next thing . You know , you're getting

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commercials on that subject . So

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there's a slant to that . So the main

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point , do your own homework , do

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factual homework taught with your

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family , talk with your leadership here .

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Um I know general Gordon myself . We've

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had this conversation and I'm very

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thankful that we're trying to take

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these as this is a fluid subject . And

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go threshold . The threshold .

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Unfortunately with your group , you're

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right at the front threshold being that

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you're deployed . But there again , do

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your own homework . Think about it .

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And you know that when we say always

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ready , always there . It's not just to

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say , it means that we have to be

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always ready with our readiness and

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always there , that we're not

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quarantine that we're not being can't

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go to a country that won't allow us .

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So , so that's a big part of it . I'll

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leave you one last thing . All this

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ties into morale . And I'm gonna tell

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you what the chief told me a long time

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ago . He's an old chief now but he

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wasn't at the time . But it stuck with

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me morale when you think about it ,

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it's my morale , it's our morale . We

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own the big piece of that . If it's if

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it's mine , it's in my possession I can

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make I can take situations and

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weigh it out just like we're talking

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about with the homework and everything

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to help me make my decision . But it's

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my morale . I own it . Um I also owned

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every day I get up and put this uniform

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on and the reason I do it , I own that

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I'm in the possession of disposition at

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the current time . So that weighs in

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real big on my morale and that's what I

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try to speak to all the soldiers and

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airmen along that same way . So thank

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you . Can I see a hand in the audience

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who might like to ask a question . Okay

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so that everyone can hear the question .

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The question is in short if I don't do

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it . Well please correct me limited .

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There is limited data for long term

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data there . Okay And um actually I

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have Lieutenant Colonel Wells here

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because that was also a question asked .

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So sir he's on our support panel .

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Would you come up and take that

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question please .

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Uh in your statement about whether or

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not you'd be covered under the

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longevity . What would cover sort of

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soldier under longevity would be a line

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of duty determination . And with that

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line of duty determines that you were

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injured . Our illness in the event of

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something occurred in the line of duty .

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And with that we would also get the

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medical management support office

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involvement . So to help pay bills they

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would pay for hospitalization . But at

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this moment the CDC is not putting out

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that that is something that's really

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likely to occur . It's not going on

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that . We're not seeing mass um ,

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issues from the vaccine . It's not

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something we're seeing right now . But

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to your question , a line of duty is

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what would cover something later on in

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life for your issue from that . But to

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receive the line of duty , you would

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have to have been on orders when you

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received your vaccine .

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Okay ,

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moron , R . R . D . T . Status as well .

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Right sir . If you'd stay up here

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with , there are a couple of related

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questions . Um , I expect lots of

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questions after this one . there are a

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couple of related questions that I

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think pertain to this . So we're gonna

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go ahead and step into those if you

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don't mind sir , why is this disease

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and its vaccination so different from

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all the other immunizations we get

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which takes us to the previous question .

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What happens in the most severe

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situation sir ? Would you answer ? I'm

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sorry . Would you um , medical team

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address that for us ?

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Absolutely . Hey , good morning

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everybody . So simply put the

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coronavirus is just more transmissible

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and has a higher potential for severe

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outcome than anything that we've seen

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in quite a while . So in other words

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severe outcome . I'm speaking about

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hospitalizations . ICU admissions , uh

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intubation , mechanical ventilation or

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death . And so there is a high

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potential for adverse impact of the

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force . Um And so what we know is that

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when you compare folks that have had

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the vaccine versus folks that have not

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had the vaccine , the chance of severe

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outcome is much lower for those that

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have had the vaccine . And so so

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overall that that's why this is

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different . And so that's why we were

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we encourage the vaccine overall . Let

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me make uh just one comment and then a

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follow on question basically I noticed

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that when colonel well said you

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had to be on duty when you got the

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vaccine . Lots of rumbling . So I'm

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thinking your question is so what if I

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went to a civilian

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pharmacy and got the vaccine and I

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become ill ? What happens to me then

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in terms of long term illnesses and

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will I be taken care of ? So do we have

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an answer for that ?

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Was that child's question

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for for that too . If you are not on an

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I . D . T . Status are on

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orders there cannot be a line of duty

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uh issued out . So you would need to

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get with your unit if you're gonna go

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on your own to get your vaccine so that

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you could do an I . D . T . Day or an

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orders day to be covered for an L . O .

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D . If you're getting a vaccine , what

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if they've already gotten it then ma'am .

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We don't have an answer for that right

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now that if you've already gotten it

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and haven't had a issue yet

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that we don't have an answer for .

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So let me add something to that please .

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Yes sir . You're asking about the long

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term effects basically a potential long

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term effects of the vaccine , correct ?

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All right . Most of the vaccines out

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there currently or the two brand names

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of Moderna and the Fighter , correct ?

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Alright . There's also the johnson and

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johnson , johnson and johnson vaccine

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is the more traditional vaccine . Like

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the flu vaccine . Okay . We've been

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getting flu vaccines for a long time .

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The modern and the fighter are in a

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sense a new type vaccine . But the

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technology behind them has been in

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development for the past decade or two .

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That technology has actually been

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utilized in cancer fighting . Okay .

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And what they've done is taken that

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technology and moved it over to

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fighting a virus . So it has been going

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on now for 1020 years with that type

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technology . So we Although we don't

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have data directly related to the

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COVID-19 vaccine . I don't have long

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term data . But what we've got with the

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vaccine being given out across the

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world ? We've got millions and millions

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of people have been vaccinated And as

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time goes on , you're correct . As time

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goes on , we'll learn more . But right

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now it's proven itself safe and

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effective and yes , there are potential

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ah complications because we know that

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some people have had that . But that

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number is very , very small compared to

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the benefits that we receive from the

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vaccine . Does that answer your

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question ? So

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with the approval of booster shops ,

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will this become a regimental annual

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requirement as well ?

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The short answer is when I graduated

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from medical school , they gave me a

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diploma . Not a crystal ball . I don't

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know . We'll see . Okay . Yeah , I have

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a so we will see .

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Mhm .

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Um I have a question in the back here ,

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would you stand please

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question regarding the administrative

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part or the record keeping ? Because I

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received my vaccination on duty at J .

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F . H . Q . But then when I went to

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submit the paperwork to my job , they

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couldn't find it in the inference

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system . And so I at the time I had my

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vaccination card that was destroyed due

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to the washing machine . So I didn't

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have a care . And also when I traveled

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this , he got into the health

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department to try to get a copy and

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once again it wasn't in the inference

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system . But I mean at the time um I

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think it was what is uh and it was

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closed on monday ? And so I can get it ?

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So how would this work if we do get it

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on duty ? But we put in the emperor's

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system so that way anyone can have and

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then our job to see this right ? Uh

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Yeah your vaccine is put in med pros .

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We do not we don't have access . We

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don't do the imprint system . Were med

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pros . You can come to us to get a

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status to show that . Yes you did get

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your vaccine . It is in med pros . So

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when you got your vaccine at GF HQ that

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day and you checked out one of our N .

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C . O . S updated you that day that you

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received your vaccine roberts sir . Um

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Okay because I know the health

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department said if it's putting that

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system anybody can log in there and see

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it for the state of Alabama that we

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received it just in case if anything

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happens but it won't cross over . Not

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to metro's . No not anyone . No

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sir . Colonel Wells . Can we get

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a replacement card since you met Crows ?

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Yes sir we can . Okay and then let's

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see about getting all of our soldiers

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data putting him we do it for any bh

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our soldiers and airmen have done it .

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So let's see if we can take that

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additional .

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Okay so sir while you're still standing

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here . I'm going to ask one more

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question of you . And that is this was

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a question from our website . Why is it

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Hipaa Why is it against HipAA to ask

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for proof of vaccination or mandate a

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vaccination ? Why isn't this private

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between the service member and the

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doctor ?

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What this is checking for your medical

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readiness and medical readiness . We

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have checked on a weekly basis on just

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about every one of you uh your

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commanders have the right to know your

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medical readiness . And whether or not

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you have had this vaccination will

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affect your medical readiness for

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deployment or orders coming up in the

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near future . So it is your commander

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has that right ? And so does leadership

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of your medical readiness . And that's

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where your vaccine falls in . And it's

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tracked every week through different

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metrics of readiness .

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Yes we have a question . Okay so

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everyone can hear the question . And

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also for purposes of video um the

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question is is your mandating the shot

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why do I have to take it

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and be on orders ?

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So as I was saying it's actually a

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benefit for you to be on orders or a

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split train you for half a . For one I .

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D . Ti period so that you can be

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covered in the travel to the location

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in case something happened while you're

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traveling to the location you're

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getting the shot . And then also now

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that we know that we need to be in some

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type of duty status for a potential not

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likely . Elodie down the road . So to

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do it from this point going forward ,

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it makes sense for you to let us know

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that you're going and we split train

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you or put you in some type of duty

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status to protect you and actually pay

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you for going to do something that

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we're asking you to

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do .

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Yes ma'am . Right . So that's

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that's the issue that we've figured out

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here is we can't go back in time and

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undo something that was done previously

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in a non duty status . So moving

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forward , we know that we want to do

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that in the future . Yes . Colonel .

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Sorry Colonel Hall on the C . G . A .

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For the one 35th . This could be

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covered if you took it in civilian

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under the V a claim . Okay . So before

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you tear up your civilian card and get

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to know a whole nother set because

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somebody's thinking it before you get a

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whole nother set while you're on duty .

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This could be a V A claim . Okay . So

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don't jeopardize your health . Mhm .

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Thank you . Colonel Hall . We knew

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there was a right answer out there

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other than so . So moving forward I

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would say let's be in some type of duty

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status for for your protection and for

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us to pay you for doing something .

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We're asking to do

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great questions . Yes , I have another

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one here . So related to the

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vaccination from you scofield med

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throws . So if a soldier has elected to

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go to a civilian walmart or CVS and get

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the vaccination in november with

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proof of vaccination . That can be good

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in our metro's . Yes . Okay . Thanks .

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So we've done many that way . Okay . So

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if you have gone to a civilian location

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and received your shot proof of that

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can be taken to your unit and that can

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be entered in med pros um to take care

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of that requirement . Okay . All right .

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I don't see any hands . I do . Okay .

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So we have the question . If the

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soldier doesn't want to take the

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vaccine , what happens to his or her

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career

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refusing to take the vaccine is not

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what I would encourage you to do . Uh

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given that they have said you will

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adverse actions will occur . Um

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The first thing that we want to try to

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do is educate you and talk with you and

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find out what is your hesitancy about

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taking the vaccine and try to allay

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any of the fears or questions or

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reservations you may have concerning

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the vaccine . Uh We'll give you an

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opportunity to think about it and

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present you with other opportunities to

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take the vaccine . However , if

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the vaccine is if you say no not gonna

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do it , then there will be adverse

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administrative actions taken . Yes , I

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see a hand in the back .

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Okay . To ensure we all hear that the

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question is is if you have natural

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immunity , you could be tested . Why

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don't we allow that testing to happen ?

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So that you don't have to take the

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vaccine to the medical team place

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again ? It's another another very good

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question . There are provisions for

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some medical exemptions that are

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authorized based upon our 45 62 .

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And that can be given for some natural

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immunity . But one of the things that

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we do know is that all immunity does

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tend to decline with time . So

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before we can consider natural immunity

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for permanent exemption . Again , we

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need more data more time . So we don't

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have that . The initial data coming out

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and it's variable . But the initial

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data coming out shows that Natural

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immunity does tend to decline by about

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90 days . And that's one of the reasons

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behind allowing somebody who's had Had

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the infection waiting for about 90 days

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and then getting the vaccine . Now ,

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that's not the case in everybody .

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Everybody is different . Some people

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the natural immunity may decline

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earlier than that . Some people that

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maybe longer than that . But we have to

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pick something to go by and about that

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90 days after an infection is when we

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start seeing a serious decline in the

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antibodies in the majority of people

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who have been studied . So yes , there

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is an exemption available medical

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exemption available . But again , I

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don't know how long that's going to be

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allowed and it's going to be have to be

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processed and they'll come through my

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office to look at all medical

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exemptions that people are asking for

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that then entered . Yeah . Okay . Yes .

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Mhm . Served . I know we're very

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early in this situation . But is there

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any data whatsoever on how

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long the vaccine lasts ?

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Because for me I had my vaccination

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back in March . So I'm

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asking myself , am I one of those older

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people that need to get a booster as

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a bottle of one year mark or do we even

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know ? Well I

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do recommend people who are at a higher

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risk to go ahead and get the booster

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even if they've already had the first

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series of shots . So yes , the short

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answer on that is yes that I do believe

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if particularly if it's gonna make you

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more at ease about things . Yes , I

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would say go ahead and get the booster

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shot . But there is some other data out

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there and I'll let captain christian

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and handle that .

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So to answer your question as far as

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the longevity , longevity of antibodies

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basically is what you're asking for .

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And I would say it's not just the

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vaccine , but even for natural immunity ,

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the short answer is right . We just

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don't know . And and there are plenty

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of studies out there that are ongoing

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and we're gonna find out and we'll

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probably find out probably sooner than

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we expect when it comes to to

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what going back a question as well to

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the natural immunity question if I get

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a chance to geek out for just a second

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with you guys uh the most commonly

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cited reference our study that we're

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looking at for natural immunity and

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this is the one that that everybody's ,

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for the most part basing the natural

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immunity argument on uh is the Israeli

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study that's come out and some of you

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have read it and some of you if I would

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encourage , it's a good read . Um So

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what I would say is the study itself is

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a retrospective study , which means it

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looked back at three groups of people ,

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people that had the Pfizer vaccine ,

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People who had , I had no vaccine but

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had Covid and then people who had both .

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They had Covid and then they also got a

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dose of the vaccine . So there are

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limitations with a retrospective study ,

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but the results were uh for this study

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was vaccine is good . Natural immunity

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is better and then people that had both

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was the best possible type of

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protection . So , the limitations of

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the study , right ? So looking back ,

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it's a retrospective study , not a

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prospective study . So , which means

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they didn't plan this out ahead of time .

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They didn't get to control the group .

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So much other than look back and see

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what happened . Um The study didn't

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really address what happens to people

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that are unvaccinated uh and uninfected .

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So , so there's no control group if you

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will , which gives , which gives a lens

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towards what's called a survivorship

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bias and I won't geek out on kind of

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what that stuff is . So and then

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further there's no mentions of what

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happens , what the long term effects

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are people that had Covid . So a better

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question . A better sorry , I better

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study to reference would be one and

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done in Kentucky , which is very nearby .

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Um and it looked at people who were

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vaccinated versus people who were

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unvaccinated . That then had Covid And

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what it showed were people that were

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vaccinated , that head coach or sorry ,

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people that were vaccinated had almost

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a 50% reduction in getting the vaccine

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are getting infected overall . So it

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showed that people that were vaccinated

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had had a really good immunity . So

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what I would say is that if if you're

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unvaccinated and have not had Covid ,

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then absolutely get the shot because

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the risk benefit matrix , the

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assessment that you're making in your

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mind will heavily favor getting the

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vaccine um , and certainly happy to

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talk through that further if we need to .

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Um the other thing is natural immunity .

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We don't know how long it lasts . Um

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again , we do have the temporary

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exemption but to your point , we also

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don't know how long the immunity for

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the vaccine last and we're going to

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find that out . Um , but more

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importantly , the people that have

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already had Covid , I would take the

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Israeli study to say that if you've

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already had Covid , you should still

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get the vaccine because it is the best

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protection that you're going to that

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you're gonna get and that's how I would

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look at kind of the studies that are

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out there now , especially the ones

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that are highly referenced . Even on

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the way here this morning , we were

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listening to the radio and they were

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talking about natural immunity and

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those kind of things . It's it's

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awesome . Natural immunity is great .

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Vaccinated immunity is great ,

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especially when you combine the both .

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I'm not saying go get covid if you've

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had the vaccine obviously , but but

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either way you should get the vaccine .

