WEBVTT 00:01.215 --> 00:03.210 (guns firing) (solemn music) 00:03.210 --> 00:05.885 - [Norman Hatch] Iwo Jima was a totally different subject than 00:05.885 --> 00:08.894 any of the other landings we had made in the Pacific. 00:08.894 --> 00:11.591 (solemn music) (guns firing) 00:14.102 --> 00:17.907 And Iwo was the first place where they used three Marine divisions at once. 00:18.774 --> 00:20.715 (guns firing) 00:24.246 --> 00:26.053 (dramatic music) 00:29.532 --> 00:32.370 Well, my job basically was that of a motion picture cameraman. 00:32.370 --> 00:34.193 And Rosenthal was smart. 00:34.193 --> 00:36.304 He had a bunk aboard the command ship 00:36.304 --> 00:38.412 and he used to come ashore every day in the press boat, 00:38.412 --> 00:41.659 go back in the evening for a good meal and a shower. 00:41.659 --> 00:44.495 But he landed on the fourth day, 00:44.495 --> 00:46.560 or D plus four, 00:46.560 --> 00:49.328 and he saw the flag going up. 00:49.328 --> 00:52.151 And he thought that would be a good spot to go up and take a picture. 00:52.151 --> 00:55.263 And so he was in the boat with 00:55.263 --> 00:58.342 now Lieutenant General Holland M. Smith 00:58.342 --> 01:00.698 and also the secretary of the Navy. 01:00.698 --> 01:03.124 He walked over to Mount Suribachi and 01:03.124 --> 01:06.572 asked the fellows about the flag. 01:06.572 --> 01:08.649 They said, well they had raised the first flag. 01:10.006 --> 01:12.220 And he said, "Can I go up?" And they said, "Yeah, you can go up." 01:13.062 --> 01:15.665 So he started up, and when he did, 01:15.665 --> 01:17.130 he ran into two of my men, 01:17.130 --> 01:19.477 Bill Genaust, a motion picture cameraman, 01:19.477 --> 01:21.649 and Bob Campbell, a still man. 01:21.649 --> 01:23.962 And they met Lou Lowery, a Leatherneck photographer 01:24.288 --> 01:27.206 who had taken the picture of the first flag raising coming down. 01:27.206 --> 01:30.078 And he told him, "Well, the flag's up but it's a beautiful view." 01:30.829 --> 01:34.193 And so they said, well, we want to go up and take shots anyway. 01:34.193 --> 01:37.808 My two men had been sent by me 01:37.808 --> 01:41.158 because my commanding officer, the general, General Rockey, 01:41.158 --> 01:43.927 was going to look for a larger flag because 01:43.927 --> 01:45.374 the first flag was too small. 01:45.374 --> 01:47.029 It couldn't be seen by the troops up north. 01:47.029 --> 01:49.258 It couldn't be seen by the ships at sea 01:49.258 --> 01:51.436 except as a little sliver, so to speak. 01:51.436 --> 01:53.853 But he said, "I want you to send somebody 01:53.853 --> 01:55.937 "up there to cover it because 01:55.937 --> 01:59.892 "it'll maybe become the official flag raising of the whole operation. 01:59.892 --> 02:02.583 "But don't tell anybody why you're going up, 02:02.583 --> 02:04.717 "that there may be a second flag, 02:04.717 --> 02:06.862 "because I don't want anybody to get excited about it or 02:06.862 --> 02:09.119 "the possibility or whatever." 02:09.119 --> 02:11.448 And so..."But just know that." 02:11.448 --> 02:12.965 So they didn't say anything about it. 02:12.965 --> 02:14.837 But of course when they got up there, 02:14.837 --> 02:16.630 there was a second flag 02:16.630 --> 02:19.267 and it was just being attached to another pole. 02:19.267 --> 02:22.335 And both of them got into position just in time. 02:22.335 --> 02:26.322 And Campbell was smart enough, as a photographer, 02:26.322 --> 02:29.052 to not take the same position 02:29.052 --> 02:32.488 as Rosenthal and Genaust. 02:32.488 --> 02:35.842 He took it off a little bit on the side and a low angle. 02:35.842 --> 02:38.359 And he got the two flags, 02:38.359 --> 02:40.939 one flag coming down, the other flag going up. 02:40.939 --> 02:42.621 They crossed each other. 02:42.621 --> 02:46.287 That picture was probably more instrumental 02:46.287 --> 02:49.248 for a period of time than the actual flag raising 02:49.248 --> 02:52.320 because there were so many theories out there 02:52.320 --> 02:54.234 that there were not two flags. 02:54.234 --> 02:56.225 And that picture dispelled 02:56.225 --> 02:58.645 any kind of a doubt. 02:58.645 --> 03:00.810 (solemn music)