WEBVTT 00:00.490 --> 00:02.060 - Now today we will hear from 00:02.060 --> 00:05.290 acting Secretary of Defense, Patrick Shanahan 00:05.290 --> 00:07.500 and General Joseph Dunford, 00:07.500 --> 00:09.990 the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, 00:09.990 --> 00:12.320 and David Norquist to performing the duties 00:12.320 --> 00:15.620 of the Deputy Secretary of Defense. 00:15.620 --> 00:17.010 Secretary Shanahan although you 00:17.010 --> 00:19.090 are not a stranger to the subcommittee 00:19.090 --> 00:22.150 this will be your first time testifying before us 00:22.150 --> 00:24.760 so do welcome you. 00:24.760 --> 00:27.633 Welcome Deputy Secretary Norquist as well, 00:27.633 --> 00:31.203 good to see you back in appropriations room. 00:32.210 --> 00:34.730 General Dunford I do believe that you 00:34.730 --> 00:38.120 have testified before the subcommittee annually 00:38.120 --> 00:42.510 since 2013 in three different roles, 00:42.510 --> 00:45.830 which must be some sort of record. 00:45.830 --> 00:48.200 I realize this will be your final time before us 00:48.200 --> 00:50.380 and I would wanna take this opportunity 00:50.380 --> 00:51.610 from the bottom of my heart 00:51.610 --> 00:53.280 I think for all of us just to thank you 00:53.280 --> 00:57.520 for just being a stellar human being 00:57.520 --> 00:59.580 and for your service to this country. 00:59.580 --> 01:01.833 You've just been terrific to deal with. 01:03.145 --> 01:05.100 Gentlemen, in your written testimonies 01:05.100 --> 01:06.950 and previous briefings for 01:06.950 --> 01:10.000 the fiscal year 2020 budget request, 01:10.000 --> 01:12.450 it is clear the department is going to 01:12.450 --> 01:15.290 great lengths to tie most decisions 01:15.290 --> 01:17.110 to the priorities laid out in 01:17.110 --> 01:19.897 the National Defenses Strategy. 01:19.897 --> 01:23.180 While I disagree with some several aspects of the NDS, 01:23.180 --> 01:25.100 I do think the document provides 01:25.100 --> 01:28.570 an accurate assessment of the strategic environment 01:28.570 --> 01:30.300 and generally points the department 01:30.300 --> 01:32.160 in the right direction. 01:32.160 --> 01:34.920 However as with many ambitious plans 01:34.920 --> 01:37.673 the question is how are we going to pay for it? 01:38.545 --> 01:40.020 For the next two fiscal years 01:40.020 --> 01:42.770 it is impossible to answer that question 01:42.770 --> 01:45.770 without discussing the Budget Control Act, 01:45.770 --> 01:47.700 also known as the BCA. 01:49.260 --> 01:53.790 The initial impact of the BCA caps was admittedly severe, 01:53.790 --> 01:55.470 however the Department of Defense 01:55.470 --> 01:59.750 has received a total of 264 billion dollars 01:59.750 --> 02:03.833 in base budget relief from the caps since 2012. 02:05.190 --> 02:07.460 Most of that occurred in fiscal years 02:07.460 --> 02:10.790 17 through 19 when the departments budget 02:10.790 --> 02:15.030 increased by 13 percent in nominal terms. 02:15.030 --> 02:17.820 The fiscal 20 budget request proposes 02:17.820 --> 02:22.820 another increase of 4.9 percent or 33 billion dollars. 02:23.020 --> 02:25.780 Further, there are about 11 billion dollars 02:25.780 --> 02:27.400 in unfunded requirements 02:27.400 --> 02:30.060 and priorities requested by the services 02:30.060 --> 02:34.550 and combat and commands for fiscal year 2020. 02:34.550 --> 02:37.370 Even the fiscal 20 budget request 02:37.370 --> 02:39.790 recognizes that the funding increases 02:39.790 --> 02:42.470 of this magnitude are unsustainable, 02:42.470 --> 02:46.063 and slows the rate of growth cross future years. 02:46.921 --> 02:48.340 In the out years the department claims 02:48.340 --> 02:51.200 that it will be able to prioritize modernization 02:51.200 --> 02:55.540 by relying on savings, reforms, and efficiencies 02:55.540 --> 02:57.490 that have been notoriously difficult 02:57.490 --> 02:59.650 to achieve in the past. 02:59.650 --> 03:02.010 I do wish the administration could 03:02.010 --> 03:06.440 muster the same courage to attack the BCA caps 03:06.440 --> 03:09.010 with the same relatia it is using 03:09.010 --> 03:13.060 to implement the National Defense Strategy. 03:13.060 --> 03:15.136 Rather the departments budget request 03:15.136 --> 03:16.540 that choose to cast by using 03:16.540 --> 03:19.430 the overseas contingency operation accounts 03:19.430 --> 03:24.020 which are exempt from the caps to fund base activities. 03:24.020 --> 03:27.440 In both fiscal year 20 and fiscal year 21 03:27.440 --> 03:31.270 the budget request nearly 100 billion dollars 03:31.270 --> 03:36.270 OCO to base to support the National Defense Strategy. 03:36.470 --> 03:38.450 These OCO for base funds are 03:38.450 --> 03:41.260 in addition to traditional OCO 03:41.260 --> 03:43.270 which is to projected to exceed 03:43.270 --> 03:46.973 60 billion dollars in each of those years. 03:47.900 --> 03:51.340 Admittedly OCO for base is not a new concept, 03:51.340 --> 03:53.290 but the amounts requested in the budget 03:53.290 --> 03:55.430 are staggeringly out of proportion 03:55.430 --> 03:59.270 with prior efforts to avoid the caps. 03:59.270 --> 04:02.510 However, in fiscal year 22, 04:02.510 --> 04:07.510 after the BCA caps sunset OCO for base disappears 04:08.150 --> 04:11.680 and traditional OCO miraculously shrinks 04:11.680 --> 04:13.470 to 20 billion dollars. 04:13.470 --> 04:16.200 People's cynicism about this approach 04:16.200 --> 04:17.203 can be understood. 04:18.110 --> 04:19.870 I must also say that as a member 04:19.870 --> 04:21.930 of this legislative branch, 04:21.930 --> 04:25.980 I am grossly offended by the unconstitutional 04:25.980 --> 04:28.740 actions taken by the Executive Branch 04:28.740 --> 04:32.080 to fund the construction of an unauthorized wall 04:32.080 --> 04:33.940 on our southern border. 04:33.940 --> 04:36.670 Using funds that Congress declined 04:36.670 --> 04:39.350 to appropriate for that purpose 04:39.350 --> 04:42.850 and over the denial of this committee and others, 04:42.850 --> 04:45.280 the Department of Defense is in the process 04:45.280 --> 04:47.410 of conveying billions to the 04:47.410 --> 04:50.470 Department of Homeland Security. 04:50.470 --> 04:53.210 There is no emergency at the border 04:53.210 --> 04:57.760 that requires the use of the United States Armed Forces. 04:57.760 --> 05:01.650 We are here to appropriate funds needed for the military 05:01.650 --> 05:04.483 not to make good on a campaign promise. 05:05.330 --> 05:08.300 It is in the same vein, last night, 05:08.300 --> 05:11.053 that Congress was notified that 05:11.053 --> 05:14.730 OMB will be submitting a 377 million dollar 05:14.730 --> 05:18.620 supplementary request for border security. 05:18.620 --> 05:23.470 A portion of that will be deported military personnel 05:23.470 --> 05:25.363 deployed at the border. 05:26.320 --> 05:28.030 There will likely be questions on 05:28.030 --> 05:32.300 the cost and value of the troops deployed to the border. 05:32.300 --> 05:35.750 So I'm going to ignore that for the time being. 05:35.750 --> 05:37.490 But I cannot ignore the fact 05:37.490 --> 05:39.990 that Congress is still waiting 05:39.990 --> 05:42.770 for OMB and the Department of Defense 05:42.770 --> 05:46.050 to send over a comprehensive, supplementary request 05:46.050 --> 05:48.690 to address the extensive damage 05:48.690 --> 05:52.623 to key military installations for national disasters. 05:53.460 --> 05:55.560 Just yesterday the commandant of Marine Corps 05:55.560 --> 05:57.670 said that one of his biggest challenges 05:57.670 --> 06:00.653 is getting assistance to rebuild Camp Lejeune. 06:01.630 --> 06:03.150 We heard similar comments from the 06:03.150 --> 06:05.450 Air Force leadership earlier this year 06:05.450 --> 06:08.070 about Tyndall Air Force Base, 06:08.070 --> 06:10.140 and I am baffled by the administration's 06:10.140 --> 06:12.020 decision not to prioritize 06:12.020 --> 06:16.480 the rebuilding of these very important installations. 06:16.480 --> 06:18.210 With that I do thank you 06:18.210 --> 06:20.800 for appearing before the committee today. 06:20.800 --> 06:22.290 We will ask you to present your 06:22.290 --> 06:24.480 summarized testimony in a moment, 06:24.480 --> 06:26.570 but first I would want to recognize 06:26.570 --> 06:28.460 that my colleague and Mr Calvert 06:28.460 --> 06:30.313 for any opening remarks he has. 06:31.310 --> 06:33.400 - Thank you Mr Chairman. 06:33.400 --> 06:36.960 Mr Secretary, General Dunford, Mr Norquist, 06:36.960 --> 06:38.170 welcome, we appreciate your 06:38.170 --> 06:40.419 appearance before the subcommittee. 06:40.419 --> 06:42.980 And General also I want to 06:42.980 --> 06:45.500 congratulate you on a job well done. 06:45.500 --> 06:47.990 I know you're probably happy about 06:47.990 --> 06:51.670 this being your last time to come before Congress 06:51.670 --> 06:53.650 but we certainly appreciate having you here, 06:53.650 --> 06:55.940 and I know that you have done 06:55.940 --> 06:57.400 a fantastic service to this country 06:57.400 --> 06:59.333 and we all appreciate it very much. 07:00.778 --> 07:02.980 As you have prepared a departure 07:02.980 --> 07:04.590 I know we certainly wanna get your 07:04.590 --> 07:07.460 assessment of readiness given your vantage point 07:07.460 --> 07:11.020 of seeing across the services for many years. 07:11.020 --> 07:12.710 The budget submitted by the department 07:12.710 --> 07:15.680 dovetails with the National Defense Strategy which calls 07:15.680 --> 07:18.750 for more of a focus on your peer threats, 07:18.750 --> 07:21.480 or however the recent bombings in Sri Lanka 07:21.480 --> 07:23.600 show that there's still violent extremist groups 07:23.600 --> 07:26.950 willing to conduct suicide bombs to achieve their goals. 07:26.950 --> 07:28.260 It doesn't cost a lot of money 07:28.260 --> 07:31.010 to plan, coordinate, and carry out these attacks 07:31.010 --> 07:35.200 that can kill hundreds of innocent citizens in minutes. 07:35.200 --> 07:37.923 The Taliban has also announced a spring offensive. 07:39.160 --> 07:40.860 They killed four of our troops 07:40.860 --> 07:43.870 in Afghanistan just a few weeks ago. 07:43.870 --> 07:45.890 And despite nearly two decades of fighting, 07:45.890 --> 07:48.380 we currently still face threats 07:48.380 --> 07:50.520 emanating from that region. 07:50.520 --> 07:52.570 While we have rightly been focused 07:52.570 --> 07:56.140 on the Middle East our adversaries surged. 07:56.140 --> 07:57.550 We now need to double our efforts 07:57.550 --> 08:00.380 to ensure the U.S. remains a beacon of strength 08:00.380 --> 08:01.870 around the world and can remain 08:01.870 --> 08:04.020 competitive across the spectrum of threats. 08:04.937 --> 08:07.870 We must build and enhance our technical superiority, 08:07.870 --> 08:10.260 strengthen our cyber capabilities, 08:10.260 --> 08:12.380 provide the best training and equipment 08:12.380 --> 08:14.690 for our men and women in uniform. 08:14.690 --> 08:16.567 I look forward to working with Sherman Visckosky 08:16.567 --> 08:19.465 and the rest of the members of the subcommittee 08:19.465 --> 08:22.170 to ensure the department has the resources it needs. 08:22.170 --> 08:25.730 I do wanna point out to my good friend, Sherman, 08:25.730 --> 08:28.460 that the wall is authorized. 08:28.460 --> 08:31.552 We did the Secure Fence Act in 2006 08:31.552 --> 08:34.230 and we partially appropriated funds 08:34.230 --> 08:37.630 for about 700 miles along the southern border. 08:37.630 --> 08:40.760 Our good friend Jerry Louis was involved 08:40.760 --> 08:44.120 with that in that time along with Chairman Rogers. 08:44.120 --> 08:44.953 But 08:45.960 --> 08:48.957 I know it's one of our more technical subjects 08:48.957 --> 08:50.080 to talk about and we may have disagreements on 08:50.080 --> 08:53.807 but we do have a problem along the southern border 08:53.807 --> 08:56.343 and I hope we can address it in a meaningful way. 08:57.393 --> 09:00.420 But I'm sure we'll be having those discussions today 09:00.420 --> 09:03.120 and I certainly thank our witnesses. 09:03.120 --> 09:05.760 Thank you all for your service to our country 09:05.760 --> 09:07.700 and looking forward to hearing from you. 09:07.700 --> 09:08.910 Mr Chairman I yield back. 09:08.910 --> 09:10.050 - Thank you very much. 09:10.050 --> 09:11.570 The full committee chair Ms Lowey 09:11.570 --> 09:13.060 for opening remarks? 09:13.060 --> 09:14.893 - Thank you Mr Chairman. 09:16.380 --> 09:19.370 It is a pleasure for me to welcome 09:19.370 --> 09:22.360 acting Secretary Shanahan, 09:22.360 --> 09:25.450 General Dunford, and I too join our 09:25.450 --> 09:29.290 colleagues in wishing you the very, very best. 09:29.290 --> 09:31.920 It's been an honor for me to interact with you, 09:31.920 --> 09:34.140 to learn from you, to work with you, 09:34.140 --> 09:36.277 and our very best wishes. 09:36.277 --> 09:40.940 And of course, acting Deputary Secretary Norquist. 09:40.940 --> 09:42.733 Thank you all for your service. 09:43.700 --> 09:46.290 In the last two years the world has 09:46.290 --> 09:49.280 become more dangerous with adversaries 09:49.280 --> 09:52.120 seeking to harm the United States 09:52.120 --> 09:54.690 and our interests around the world. 09:54.690 --> 09:56.850 The Department of Defense's ability 09:56.850 --> 10:00.380 to address an evolving threat landscape 10:00.380 --> 10:02.720 is of paramount importance, 10:02.720 --> 10:06.660 and the security of our nation as well as our allies 10:06.660 --> 10:09.430 depends on your service. 10:09.430 --> 10:12.880 While I am pleased your budget focuses on readiness 10:12.880 --> 10:15.660 and further strengthening our military, 10:15.660 --> 10:18.410 I'm concerned by the short sightedness 10:18.410 --> 10:22.400 of shifting nearly 100 billion dollars 10:22.400 --> 10:24.783 into OCO accounts. 10:25.800 --> 10:28.420 I know it's been said before 10:28.420 --> 10:33.063 but maybe it has to be said again so I will proceed. 10:34.960 --> 10:39.110 Your fiscal year 2020 budget for this subcommittee 10:40.230 --> 10:44.520 requests 697.263 billion 10:44.520 --> 10:46.570 which includes a staggering 10:47.744 --> 10:51.603 163.98 billion for OCO. 10:52.500 --> 10:57.310 The OCO request is further divided into two categories. 10:57.310 --> 11:01.070 OCO at 66.7 billion, 11:01.070 --> 11:06.070 and OCO for base activities at 97.9 billion. 11:07.500 --> 11:11.030 Of the 97.9 billion for OCO for base, 11:11.030 --> 11:14.630 85.2 billion is requested to 11:14.630 --> 11:16.910 the operation and maintenance account 11:16.910 --> 11:19.343 which funds readiness for all of DOD. 11:20.950 --> 11:23.640 We owe it to our service members 11:23.640 --> 11:26.420 and their families to put forth 11:26.420 --> 11:29.340 serious spending proposals. 11:29.340 --> 11:32.330 The idea of using OCO spending 11:32.330 --> 11:37.060 for base requirements is a thinly veiled attempt 11:37.060 --> 11:41.770 to skirt budget caps and increase defense spending 11:41.770 --> 11:45.873 without a complimentary increase for non-defense spending. 11:46.780 --> 11:51.100 Moreover requesting OCO funds for base 11:51.100 --> 11:53.980 is fiscally irresponsible as costs to 11:53.980 --> 11:58.620 increase end strength dovetail in future spending bills 11:58.620 --> 12:03.620 as service members receive raises and eventual pensions. 12:03.990 --> 12:08.010 Our service members deserve the stability 12:08.010 --> 12:11.990 and to know they will be taken care of in the future, 12:11.990 --> 12:14.520 and the administrations proposal 12:14.520 --> 12:18.390 makes that look less likely. 12:18.390 --> 12:22.940 A national security apparatus does not exist in a vacuum. 12:22.940 --> 12:25.420 It relies on the health and stability 12:25.420 --> 12:27.930 of Americans and our economy, 12:27.930 --> 12:30.550 and this requires adequate budgeting 12:30.550 --> 12:33.220 and investments in both defense 12:33.220 --> 12:36.010 and non defense priorities. 12:36.010 --> 12:38.590 So I thank you for your service 12:38.590 --> 12:41.293 and I look forward to your testimony. 12:43.550 --> 12:45.750 - I now recognize our former Chair 12:45.750 --> 12:48.550 and the ranking member on the full committee Ms Granger. 12:50.290 --> 12:51.580 - Thank you Chairman Visclosky. 12:51.580 --> 12:53.490 I'd like to welcome today's witnesses, 12:53.490 --> 12:55.720 acting Secretary Defense Shanahan, 12:55.720 --> 12:58.200 General Dunford, and Mr. Norquist. 12:58.200 --> 13:00.210 Thank you for appearing before this subcommittee. 13:00.210 --> 13:03.330 I first would like to recognize General Dunford 13:03.330 --> 13:04.893 who served with distinction as 13:04.893 --> 13:09.200 a Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff since 2015, 13:09.200 --> 13:11.670 and you'll step down from this position this September. 13:11.670 --> 13:13.910 General Dunford thank you for all that you've done. 13:13.910 --> 13:15.320 Your many years of service 13:15.320 --> 13:17.680 and we look forward to hearing your 13:17.680 --> 13:19.920 assessment of the military readiness today. 13:19.920 --> 13:21.614 Thank you for being here. 13:21.614 --> 13:23.170 For almost two decades our military has 13:23.170 --> 13:25.050 focused on the threat of terrorism 13:25.050 --> 13:27.330 and counter insurgency efforts 13:27.330 --> 13:29.440 have dominated our military planning. 13:29.440 --> 13:32.410 We're now at a very important cross roads. 13:32.410 --> 13:33.780 The National Defense Strategy 13:33.780 --> 13:37.390 emphasizes a shift into deter 13:37.390 --> 13:39.930 and if necessary defeat more traditional 13:39.930 --> 13:42.610 adversaries such as Russia and China. 13:42.610 --> 13:45.700 Unfortunately the recent Easter Sunday attacks 13:45.700 --> 13:48.230 in Sri Lanka show we have to remain 13:48.230 --> 13:51.740 vigilant against violent extremists around the world. 13:51.740 --> 13:53.710 To guard against all of these threats 13:53.710 --> 13:55.470 we have to work together to build on 13:55.470 --> 13:58.890 the gains we've made with our allies and our partners, 13:58.890 --> 14:01.710 develop more advanced weapon systems, 14:01.710 --> 14:05.340 and recruit and retain highly trained personnel. 14:05.340 --> 14:07.220 The Department of Defense is also 14:07.220 --> 14:09.520 being asked to play a supporting role 14:09.520 --> 14:12.600 at the southern border where law enforcement agents 14:12.600 --> 14:15.530 and officers are beyond overwhelmed. 14:15.530 --> 14:16.987 I've been to the border many times 14:16.987 --> 14:20.750 and I can tell you this is indeed a crisis. 14:20.750 --> 14:23.250 We thank our soldiers, our military personnel 14:23.250 --> 14:24.640 for the work they're doing 14:24.640 --> 14:28.000 to keep our country's border secure 14:28.000 --> 14:29.810 and we're gonna have to do more. 14:29.810 --> 14:31.820 I know members of this committee agree 14:31.820 --> 14:33.902 that supporting our National Defense 14:33.902 --> 14:35.340 is one of the most important roles 14:35.340 --> 14:37.970 we take on as members of Congress. 14:37.970 --> 14:40.270 We've accomplished so much over the last two years 14:40.270 --> 14:42.260 but we have work to do. 14:42.260 --> 14:44.430 We must avoid unnecessary delays 14:44.430 --> 14:46.490 in enacting next years funding 14:46.490 --> 14:48.290 for the Department of Defense, 14:48.290 --> 14:49.880 and we need a budget agreement that 14:49.880 --> 14:51.717 prevents sequestration. 14:51.717 --> 14:54.260 Otherwise the gains we've made together 14:54.260 --> 14:57.800 to rebuild our military will be reversed. 14:57.800 --> 14:59.380 Chairman Visclosky thank you again 14:59.380 --> 15:00.930 for holding this important hearing. 15:00.930 --> 15:02.600 I look forward to hearing from our 15:02.600 --> 15:03.960 distinguished witnesses, 15:03.960 --> 15:05.260 and I thank them for their 15:05.260 --> 15:07.280 tireless service to our country 15:07.280 --> 15:08.900 and I yield back. 15:08.900 --> 15:10.140 - Thank you very much. 15:10.140 --> 15:11.640 Mr Secretary you can proceed 15:11.640 --> 15:13.770 and then General Dunford would ask 15:13.770 --> 15:15.570 for the sake of time some members 15:15.570 --> 15:17.860 have a chance for a dialogue. 15:17.860 --> 15:19.190 If you could hold your summaries 15:19.190 --> 15:20.610 to about five minutes or so 15:20.610 --> 15:21.810 that would be preferred. 15:21.810 --> 15:22.853 Thank you very much. 15:23.720 --> 15:26.490 - Chairman Visclosky, Ranking Member Calvert, 15:26.490 --> 15:28.100 distinguished members of the committee, 15:28.100 --> 15:30.410 thank you for this opportunity 15:30.410 --> 15:32.760 to testify in support of the President's 15:32.760 --> 15:35.680 budget request for fiscal year 2020. 15:35.680 --> 15:37.900 I'm joined by Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, 15:37.900 --> 15:40.060 General Joseph Dunford, 15:40.060 --> 15:41.620 and the Department's Comptroller 15:41.620 --> 15:43.440 and Chief Financial Officer, 15:43.440 --> 15:45.470 Mr David Norquist. 15:45.470 --> 15:46.730 It has been a great privilege 15:46.730 --> 15:48.380 and an honor to serve along side 15:48.380 --> 15:50.910 the men and women of the Department of Defense. 15:50.910 --> 15:52.450 It was a pleasure to work with 15:52.450 --> 15:55.860 Secretary Mattis to craft the 2018 15:55.860 --> 15:57.543 National Defense Strategy. 15:58.770 --> 16:01.110 Released in January 2018, 16:01.110 --> 16:03.640 that strategy laid the foundation 16:03.640 --> 16:05.750 for restoring military readiness 16:05.750 --> 16:07.710 and modernizing our joint force 16:07.710 --> 16:11.120 for an era of great power competition. 16:11.120 --> 16:15.830 I now oversee the continued execution of that strategy 16:15.830 --> 16:17.410 which is the undisputed driver 16:17.410 --> 16:19.790 of today's budget request. 16:19.790 --> 16:21.450 It was extremely helpful for the department 16:21.450 --> 16:24.600 to receive authorization and appropriation bills 16:24.600 --> 16:28.700 on time the requested top line last year 16:28.700 --> 16:30.750 which marked the first time in a decade 16:30.750 --> 16:32.190 that defense appropriations has been 16:32.190 --> 16:35.280 enacted by the beginning of the fiscal year. 16:35.280 --> 16:36.870 The strategy supported last year 16:36.870 --> 16:40.733 is the same strategy we are asking you to fund this year. 16:41.760 --> 16:43.930 The 750 billion dollar top line 16:43.930 --> 16:45.840 for the National Defense enables 16:45.840 --> 16:49.220 DOD to maintain regular irregular warfare 16:49.220 --> 16:51.640 as a core competency. 16:51.640 --> 16:53.572 It prioritizes modernization 16:53.572 --> 16:57.130 and readiness to compete, deter, and win 16:57.130 --> 16:59.253 in a high end fight of the future. 17:00.550 --> 17:01.930 This budget is critical for the 17:01.930 --> 17:04.190 continued execution of our strategy 17:04.190 --> 17:07.670 and reflects difficult but necessary 17:07.670 --> 17:10.610 decisions that align finite resources 17:10.610 --> 17:13.070 with our strategic priorities. 17:13.070 --> 17:15.370 To highlight some of those decisions, 17:15.370 --> 17:17.630 this is the largest research, development, 17:17.630 --> 17:21.140 testing, and evaluation budget in 70 years. 17:21.140 --> 17:23.290 The budget includes double digit increases 17:23.290 --> 17:26.346 to our investments in both space and cyber, 17:26.346 --> 17:28.810 modernization of our nuclear triad 17:28.810 --> 17:31.160 and missile defense capabilities, 17:31.160 --> 17:33.640 and the largest ship building request in 20 years 17:33.640 --> 17:35.393 when adjusted for inflation. 17:36.430 --> 17:38.270 It also increases our end strength 17:38.270 --> 17:41.560 by roughly 7,700 service members 17:41.560 --> 17:45.740 and provides 3.1 percent pay increase to our military, 17:45.740 --> 17:47.023 the largest in a decade. 17:48.000 --> 17:50.030 Now to the specifics. 17:50.030 --> 17:52.930 The top line slates 718 billion dollars 17:52.930 --> 17:55.070 for the Department of Defense. 17:55.070 --> 17:56.880 Of that total a budget includes 17:56.880 --> 18:00.230 545 billion for base funding 18:00.230 --> 18:04.393 and 164 billion for overseas contingency operations. 18:05.430 --> 18:07.860 Of the OCO fund, 66 billion will go to 18:07.860 --> 18:10.598 direct war and enuring requirements, 18:10.598 --> 18:14.040 and 98 billion will fund base requirements. 18:14.040 --> 18:15.683 To round out the numbers, 18:15.683 --> 18:19.320 9.2 billion will fund emergency construction 18:19.320 --> 18:21.880 including support for hurricane recovery 18:21.880 --> 18:24.693 and border barrier efforts. 18:24.693 --> 18:26.580 Here I must note the department 18:26.580 --> 18:28.360 appreciates this committee's support 18:28.360 --> 18:29.983 for hurricane recovery. 18:30.840 --> 18:33.030 Thank you for approving the 600 million dollar 18:33.030 --> 18:35.320 re-programming which will help start our 18:35.320 --> 18:36.503 recovery efforts. 18:37.500 --> 18:40.836 I ask for your support for the hurricane supplemental 18:40.836 --> 18:45.313 to address the remaining 1.8 billion needed in FY 19, 18:46.430 --> 18:49.920 as well as the budget request of 3 billion 18:49.920 --> 18:51.110 in military construction 18:51.110 --> 18:53.419 and operation in maintenance to 18:53.419 --> 18:55.323 continue recovery efforts in FY 20. 18:56.600 --> 18:58.060 As this committee fully understands 18:58.060 --> 19:00.110 no enemy in the field has done more damage 19:00.110 --> 19:04.310 to our militaries combat readiness in years past 19:04.310 --> 19:07.450 than sequestration and budget instability. 19:07.450 --> 19:11.083 There's no question today our adversaries are not relenting. 19:12.050 --> 19:13.820 In short we cannot implement the NDS 19:13.820 --> 19:16.493 at sequestration levels. 19:16.493 --> 19:18.560 Sequestration will not only halt our 19:18.560 --> 19:20.150 progress in rebuilding readiness, 19:20.150 --> 19:22.120 growing our force, 19:22.120 --> 19:23.610 modernizing it for the future, 19:23.610 --> 19:26.500 and investing in critical emerging capabilities 19:26.500 --> 19:29.853 like AI, hyper sonics, and directed energy. 19:31.110 --> 19:33.110 It would force us to cut end strength 19:33.110 --> 19:35.090 and critical modernization efforts 19:35.090 --> 19:38.163 that ensure we out pace our competitors. 19:39.110 --> 19:41.020 In continuing resolution would also 19:41.020 --> 19:42.760 hamstring the department. 19:42.760 --> 19:44.960 Under a CR we cannot start new initiatives 19:44.960 --> 19:47.320 including increased investments 19:47.320 --> 19:50.220 in cyber space, nuclear modernization, 19:50.220 --> 19:52.133 and missile defense I just mentioned. 19:53.050 --> 19:55.570 Second our funding would be in the wrong accounts, 19:55.570 --> 19:57.603 and third we would lose buying power. 19:58.589 --> 20:00.340 We built this budget to implement 20:00.340 --> 20:01.417 our National Defense Strategy 20:01.417 --> 20:03.330 and I look forward to working with you 20:03.330 --> 20:04.980 to ensure predictable funding so our 20:04.980 --> 20:07.880 military can remain the most lethal, 20:07.880 --> 20:11.510 adaptable, and resilient fighting force in the world. 20:11.510 --> 20:13.970 I appreciate the critical role Congress plays 20:13.970 --> 20:16.750 to ensure our war fighters can succeed 20:16.750 --> 20:18.550 on the battle fields of today and tomorrow, 20:18.550 --> 20:20.520 and I thank our service members, 20:20.520 --> 20:22.640 their families, and all those in 20:22.640 --> 20:24.749 the Department of Defense for 20:24.749 --> 20:26.120 maintaining constant vigilance 20:26.120 --> 20:28.050 as they stand always ready to 20:28.050 --> 20:29.590 protect our freedoms. 20:29.590 --> 20:30.948 Thank you. 20:30.948 --> 20:32.470 - Senator General. 20:32.470 --> 20:35.857 - The Chairman Visclosky and ranking member Calvin, 20:35.857 --> 20:36.690 distinguished members of the committee, 20:36.690 --> 20:37.523 thanks for the opportunity to join 20:37.523 --> 20:40.900 Secretary Shanahan and Secretary Norquist here today. 20:40.900 --> 20:42.810 It remains my privilege to represent your 20:42.810 --> 20:45.810 soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines. 20:45.810 --> 20:47.480 Well much of our discussion this morning 20:47.480 --> 20:49.930 is gonna focus on the challenges we face, 20:49.930 --> 20:51.870 it's important I begin by assuring you 20:51.870 --> 20:53.820 that your Armed Forces can deter 20:53.820 --> 20:56.865 a nuclear attack, defend the homeland, 20:56.865 --> 20:58.130 and meet our alliance commitments 20:58.130 --> 21:01.270 and effectively respond should deterrence fail. 21:01.270 --> 21:02.860 I believe we have a competitive advantage 21:02.860 --> 21:04.370 over any potential adversary 21:04.370 --> 21:06.400 defined as the ability to project power 21:06.400 --> 21:09.630 and when at the time and place of our choosing. 21:09.630 --> 21:11.040 But as members of this committee knows, 21:11.040 --> 21:13.200 17 years of continuous combat 21:13.200 --> 21:16.130 and fiscal instability have affected our readiness 21:16.130 --> 21:18.700 and eroded our competitive advantage. 21:18.700 --> 21:20.090 As the secretary highlighted, 21:20.090 --> 21:22.020 China and Russia have capitalized on our 21:22.020 --> 21:24.010 distraction and restraints by investing in 21:24.010 --> 21:26.420 capabilities specifically designed to 21:26.420 --> 21:29.870 challenge our traditional sources of strength. 21:29.870 --> 21:31.470 After careful study they've developed 21:31.470 --> 21:33.610 capabilities intended to contest our freedom 21:33.610 --> 21:35.490 and movement across all domains 21:35.490 --> 21:38.360 and disrupt our ability to project power. 21:38.360 --> 21:41.840 With the help of congress starting in 2017 21:41.840 --> 21:44.920 we began to restore our competitive advantage. 21:44.920 --> 21:47.270 Recent budgets have allowed us to build readiness 21:47.270 --> 21:48.840 and invest in new capabilities 21:48.840 --> 21:52.170 while meeting our current operation requirements. 21:52.170 --> 21:55.147 We can't reverse decades of erosion in just a few years, 21:55.147 --> 21:57.580 and this committee knows that as well as any. 21:57.580 --> 21:59.420 This years budget submission will allow us 21:59.420 --> 22:02.050 to continue restoring our competitive advantage 22:02.050 --> 22:04.750 by improving readiness and developing capabilities 22:04.750 --> 22:06.460 to enhance our lethality. 22:06.460 --> 22:08.890 It proposes investments and advanced capabilities 22:08.890 --> 22:10.320 across all domains, 22:10.320 --> 22:13.480 sea, air, land, space, and cyber space. 22:13.480 --> 22:15.750 This years budget also sustains investments 22:15.750 --> 22:17.510 in our nuclear enterprise to ensure 22:17.510 --> 22:20.900 a safe, secure, and effective strategic deterrent, 22:20.900 --> 22:23.190 a highest priority of the department. 22:23.190 --> 22:25.490 We've also taken steps to more effectively 22:25.490 --> 22:27.130 implore the force we have 22:27.130 --> 22:29.290 and build a force we need tomorrow. 22:29.290 --> 22:31.060 We've implemented fundamental changes 22:31.060 --> 22:33.360 in our global force management process 22:33.360 --> 22:35.610 to prioritize and allocate resources 22:35.610 --> 22:37.170 in accordance with the secretary's 22:37.170 --> 22:38.713 National Defense Strategy. 22:39.590 --> 22:40.980 We do all this while building readiness 22:40.980 --> 22:44.360 and a flexibility to respond unforeseen contingencies. 22:44.360 --> 22:45.193 And because 22:46.490 --> 22:49.740 two members raised it early in the comments, 22:49.740 --> 22:52.110 I can assure you that as we have made these adjustments 22:52.110 --> 22:53.870 to our global force management posture, 22:53.870 --> 22:56.120 we're also addressing the sustain requirement 22:56.120 --> 22:58.100 against all extremism. 22:58.100 --> 23:00.240 We've also redefined our process for 23:00.240 --> 23:01.803 developing and designing a future force 23:01.803 --> 23:04.910 that will enable us to pair emerging technologies 23:04.910 --> 23:07.430 with innovative operating concepts. 23:07.430 --> 23:09.040 In closing I'd like to thank the committee 23:09.040 --> 23:10.350 for all you've done to support our 23:10.350 --> 23:13.070 men and women in uniform and their families. 23:13.070 --> 23:15.170 Together we've honored our solemn obligation 23:15.170 --> 23:16.640 to never send our sons and daughters 23:16.640 --> 23:17.840 into a fair fight, 23:17.840 --> 23:20.140 and with your continued support we never will. 23:25.730 --> 23:27.980 - Thank you Mr Chairman. Before I get to my question I 23:27.980 --> 23:29.540 just wanna point out I think everybody 23:29.540 --> 23:31.580 agrees here that we need to come to 23:31.580 --> 23:34.430 a budget agreement that certainly our 23:34.430 --> 23:36.440 collective national defense is at risk 23:36.440 --> 23:39.940 if we don't do that and do it on time. 23:39.940 --> 23:42.080 But as we all know here it takes 23:42.080 --> 23:43.850 three to tango in the budget process. 23:43.850 --> 23:45.360 Not just the White House, 23:45.360 --> 23:46.660 but the Senate and the House 23:46.660 --> 23:49.060 and so all of us need to get together 23:49.060 --> 23:50.980 as soon as possible and come with a 23:50.980 --> 23:53.710 top line number not just for this budget year 23:53.710 --> 23:55.200 but I would hope for the next budget year 23:55.200 --> 23:57.840 and then we can try to separate this 23:57.840 --> 24:00.613 appropriations process from the political world out there 24:00.613 --> 24:02.950 that we can do the right thing 24:02.950 --> 24:05.650 and pass these bills on time 24:05.650 --> 24:08.063 and I'm sure we can all agree that 24:08.063 --> 24:10.623 that would be a great goal to have. 24:11.507 --> 24:12.880 Since 24:12.880 --> 24:13.713 you're 24:14.991 --> 24:15.900 all of you are here today I 24:16.735 --> 24:18.090 thought I'd ask a topical question about 24:18.090 --> 24:21.407 our own hemisphere and the resources we've 24:21.407 --> 24:25.583 obviously the southern command is not something we 24:25.583 --> 24:27.450 put a lot of resources in but it's 24:27.450 --> 24:29.340 all of a sudden it seems to be more 24:29.340 --> 24:31.530 important than what's going on in Venezuela. 24:31.530 --> 24:34.580 Maybe you can give us a report on 24:34.580 --> 24:37.313 the latest in Venezuela as of this morning. 24:42.600 --> 24:45.250 - Thank you ranking member Calvert. 24:45.250 --> 24:46.800 We're obviously watching the situation 24:46.800 --> 24:48.970 very closely in Venezuela. 24:48.970 --> 24:50.420 The President's made it clear that 24:50.420 --> 24:51.670 all options are on the table. 24:51.670 --> 24:54.230 To date most of our actions have been 24:54.230 --> 24:55.940 diplomatic and economic. 24:55.940 --> 24:58.145 Certainly we're prepared to support 24:58.145 --> 24:59.990 the life and safety of civilians 24:59.990 --> 25:02.360 when the American citizens when the there there 25:02.360 --> 25:05.169 they were safely withdrawn some weeks ago. 25:05.169 --> 25:07.950 The situation's a little bit unclear today 25:07.950 --> 25:09.230 from our perspective between 25:09.230 --> 25:11.960 Madura and Guaido the Guaido being a legitimate 25:11.960 --> 25:13.360 member of the government, 25:13.360 --> 25:15.712 we're doing what we can now to collect 25:15.712 --> 25:17.500 intelligence and make sure we have 25:17.500 --> 25:18.810 good visibility on what's happening 25:18.810 --> 25:20.010 down in Venezuela 25:20.010 --> 25:22.080 and also be prepared to support the President's 25:22.080 --> 25:24.830 city requirement more from the U.S. military. 25:24.830 --> 25:26.170 - Thank you. 25:26.170 --> 25:27.003 General 25:28.370 --> 25:30.170 in our hearings we've been talking 25:30.170 --> 25:33.090 obviously a lot about Russia and China 25:33.090 --> 25:35.140 for obvious reasons, 25:35.140 --> 25:37.800 however what happened in Sri Lanka last week 25:37.800 --> 25:39.530 which killed 290 people 25:40.480 --> 25:42.310 and injured at least 500 who were at 25:42.310 --> 25:43.803 churches, hotels, 25:44.660 --> 25:46.850 shows that we can't let our guard down 25:47.700 --> 25:50.220 when it comes to a violent extremists. 25:50.220 --> 25:51.930 To that extent can you tell us 25:51.930 --> 25:54.440 in this setting more about the attack? 25:54.440 --> 25:57.843 How sophisticated was it and how was it funded? 25:59.953 --> 26:02.000 - Ranking member Calvert we're still 26:02.000 --> 26:03.632 working with the Sri Lankan's to get 26:03.632 --> 26:05.270 the exact details. 26:05.270 --> 26:06.710 I don't wanna make news in front of 26:06.710 --> 26:09.360 the Sri Lankan's in terms of what they know. 26:09.360 --> 26:13.070 My assessment was it was very sophisticated 26:13.070 --> 26:14.547 in terms of the simultaneous attack 26:14.547 --> 26:16.530 and the techniques that were used 26:16.530 --> 26:17.890 by the Sri Lankan's. 26:17.890 --> 26:20.181 I think it exposes exactly what you talked about 26:20.181 --> 26:22.480 which is the fight against ISIS is not over 26:22.480 --> 26:24.200 and the underlying conditions that feed it 26:24.200 --> 26:26.320 like violent extremism still exists 26:26.320 --> 26:28.420 and it highlights the need for us 26:28.420 --> 26:30.650 even in the context of great power of competition 26:30.650 --> 26:32.810 to make sure that we have a politically, 26:32.810 --> 26:35.330 fiscally, and militarily sustainable approach 26:35.330 --> 26:37.090 to violent extremism because 26:37.090 --> 26:40.120 some people have called it a generation problem, 26:40.120 --> 26:42.440 and I wouldn't take issue with that characterization 26:42.440 --> 26:44.910 of how long we'll be dealing with this. 26:44.910 --> 26:46.660 - Thank you, thank you Mr Chairman. 26:53.080 --> 26:55.840 - President Trump met with Kim Jong Un 26:55.840 --> 27:00.840 in June 2018 and February 2019 27:01.300 --> 27:05.810 to discuss the nuclearization and sanctions relief, 27:05.810 --> 27:08.840 however intelligence suggests that 27:08.840 --> 27:11.150 North Korea has started rebuilding 27:11.150 --> 27:13.420 key missile test facilities 27:13.420 --> 27:17.000 although there is no sign of an immediate launch. 27:17.000 --> 27:20.440 On April 25, Kim Jong Un met with 27:20.440 --> 27:24.430 Vladimir Putin in hopes of securing Putin's support 27:24.430 --> 27:26.420 for North Korean regime. 27:26.420 --> 27:28.910 Sanctions relief and a gradual, 27:28.910 --> 27:31.780 not quick, disarming plan. 27:31.780 --> 27:35.630 Mr Secretary, have there been any discussions 27:35.630 --> 27:38.510 on negotiations between the United States 27:38.510 --> 27:41.950 and North Korean officials since the latest summit 27:41.950 --> 27:44.683 between President Trump and Kim Jun Un? 27:47.050 --> 27:48.520 - The 27:48.520 --> 27:51.400 the nuclearization of North Korea 27:51.400 --> 27:55.610 remains the primary objective. 27:55.610 --> 27:59.190 Diplomacy is the primary track 27:59.190 --> 28:02.050 but I can tell you militarily is 28:02.050 --> 28:05.300 we have not changed our position, 28:05.300 --> 28:07.640 our operations, or our strength 28:07.640 --> 28:09.040 and are continuing to conduct 28:09.040 --> 28:12.943 readiness exercises in the event diplomacy fails. 28:14.104 --> 28:15.610 - To your knowledge have the North Koreans 28:15.610 --> 28:19.180 resumed any nuclear enrichment activities 28:19.180 --> 28:22.860 or missile testing since the Vietnam summit? 28:22.860 --> 28:24.570 - [Shanahan] I'm not aware of any. 28:24.570 --> 28:27.630 - And can you share with us any information 28:27.630 --> 28:31.209 you may have on the recent Kim Putin summit 28:31.209 --> 28:34.080 and were there any agreements made 28:34.080 --> 28:37.090 that will impact life on the Peninsula? 28:37.090 --> 28:38.740 - What I would share is that 28:38.740 --> 28:42.050 the sanctions that we continue to impose 28:42.050 --> 28:44.310 will stay in place and we'll be vigilant 28:44.310 --> 28:46.193 on maintaining those sanctions. 28:47.570 --> 28:48.907 And following up on that, 28:48.907 --> 28:50.990 could you describe the relationship 28:50.990 --> 28:53.430 between North and South Korea? 28:53.430 --> 28:56.330 Has anything changed after the latest summit 28:56.330 --> 28:59.590 did not achieve any agreements? 28:59.590 --> 29:03.933 - The relationships continues to evolve. 29:04.960 --> 29:05.860 They are ongoing 29:07.160 --> 29:10.558 activities in terms of ordination. 29:10.558 --> 29:12.540 They even asked General Dunford to talk about 29:12.540 --> 29:13.373 some of the 29:14.530 --> 29:17.010 recent exercises that we've had between North Korea 29:17.010 --> 29:18.453 and South Korea ourselves. 29:22.270 --> 29:25.190 - Chairwoman, in terms of North and South Korea 29:25.190 --> 29:27.720 the basic question is has the relationship changed. 29:27.720 --> 29:29.320 I don't assess that it has. 29:29.320 --> 29:32.880 South Korea has not taken any material 29:32.880 --> 29:34.830 steps different than the previous agreements 29:34.830 --> 29:36.460 with North Korea. 29:36.460 --> 29:37.760 What the Secretary is alluding to 29:37.760 --> 29:41.490 is our exercises and what I can assure you is 29:41.490 --> 29:43.340 working with the South Koreans 29:43.340 --> 29:45.240 we're continuing to conduct exercises 29:45.240 --> 29:47.040 that maintain an appropriate level of readiness 29:47.040 --> 29:49.330 not only for our forces on the peninsula 29:49.330 --> 29:51.590 but to the combined forces command, 29:51.590 --> 29:54.410 which is both South Korea and the United States. 29:54.410 --> 29:55.723 - Thank you. 29:55.723 --> 29:56.556 Thank you Mr Chairman. 29:56.556 --> 29:57.493 - Thank you, Ms Granger? 30:00.360 --> 30:03.380 - Mr Secretary, I don't ever recall 30:03.380 --> 30:05.023 being more outraged about an issue 30:05.023 --> 30:08.533 than I am about the Electronic Health Records program. 30:09.380 --> 30:11.727 The hearing we had with the 30:11.727 --> 30:14.940 Defense Health Managers was terrible. 30:14.940 --> 30:17.530 I can't believe that these program managers 30:17.530 --> 30:19.780 think it is acceptable to wait 30:19.780 --> 30:23.540 another four years for a program to implemented 30:23.540 --> 30:26.200 when we spent billions of dollars 30:26.200 --> 30:28.893 and worked on it for over a decade. 30:31.050 --> 30:33.040 There seems to be no sense of urgency 30:33.040 --> 30:34.700 and our service member and veterans 30:34.700 --> 30:36.290 are the ones who are suffering while they're 30:36.290 --> 30:39.070 waiting for the DOD and VA to get their act together. 30:39.070 --> 30:42.000 I recently heard a story from a Vietnam veteran 30:42.000 --> 30:44.600 about the problems he had with his medical records. 30:44.600 --> 30:46.080 He is dying today. 30:46.080 --> 30:48.790 He's dying and they could never confirm 30:48.790 --> 30:52.000 or find his medical records for his treatment. 30:52.000 --> 30:55.190 I hope you realize how absolute intense 30:55.190 --> 30:58.450 and infuriated most of us are about this. 30:58.450 --> 31:01.034 We can't wait later and I wanna know 31:01.034 --> 31:03.193 how you'll make it a priority and how you'll get it done. 31:04.700 --> 31:06.250 - First of all I apologize for 31:07.633 --> 31:11.937 any lack of performance or the inability 31:11.937 --> 31:13.810 of the people that testified before you 31:13.810 --> 31:15.960 to characterize the work of the department 31:15.960 --> 31:18.200 in this very vital area. 31:18.200 --> 31:20.840 I personally have spent quite a bit of time 31:20.840 --> 31:24.580 on this new DHA plan on how do we 31:25.620 --> 31:29.750 merge together our medical treatment facilities, 31:29.750 --> 31:32.533 how do we deploy the Electronic Health Records. 31:33.810 --> 31:36.250 In particular in the northwest was 31:36.250 --> 31:38.840 the first deployment of the Electronic Health Record 31:38.840 --> 31:43.840 and Madigan Army Hospital, Bremerton Naval Base, 31:43.870 --> 31:46.960 Whidbey Island Naval Air Station, 31:46.960 --> 31:49.490 and then Fairchild Air Force Base. 31:49.490 --> 31:54.180 That roll out and implementation was successful. 31:55.160 --> 31:57.443 This past fall there's been a 31:57.443 --> 31:58.666 considerable amount of learning 31:58.666 --> 31:59.499 that's occurred from that. 31:59.499 --> 32:03.620 The next major implementation of this system, 32:03.620 --> 32:06.060 and this system is what's going to 32:06.060 --> 32:08.505 drive the benefits of the DHS is 32:08.505 --> 32:11.277 scheduled for this coming September in California. 32:11.277 --> 32:14.990 I can give you the commitment 32:14.990 --> 32:18.790 that the corrective action and lessons learned 32:18.790 --> 32:20.190 from the first implementation 32:20.190 --> 32:23.730 will be carried forward into that implementation 32:23.730 --> 32:24.803 in California. 32:26.060 --> 32:28.500 It's training, it's process, it's not just 32:28.500 --> 32:30.023 Electronic Health Records. 32:30.930 --> 32:33.500 We recognize that we owe it to our 32:33.500 --> 32:36.670 service men and women to take care of them. 32:36.670 --> 32:39.040 You have that commitment from me. 32:39.040 --> 32:41.540 This implementation is vital to 32:41.540 --> 32:44.763 getting the benefits of delivering higher level care. 32:45.940 --> 32:47.920 The deputy and I will deliver on 32:47.920 --> 32:50.280 the commitment we have made to you 32:50.280 --> 32:51.530 and to our men and women. 32:52.740 --> 32:53.720 - I certainly hope so. 32:53.720 --> 32:55.550 We got a feeling of, 32:55.550 --> 32:57.880 well we made a change direction 32:57.880 --> 33:00.440 and that's gonna take four more years, 33:00.440 --> 33:02.860 and that seemed to be fine with everyone on the panel. 33:02.860 --> 33:05.573 It was not fine with all of us. 33:06.410 --> 33:08.395 - It's not fine here and we'll come back 33:08.395 --> 33:10.240 and brief you to make sure that 33:11.209 --> 33:13.010 what they communicated was truly accurate 33:13.010 --> 33:15.290 because we've been holding people's 33:15.290 --> 33:19.880 feet to the fire to get these MTF's integrated. 33:19.880 --> 33:21.680 But we owe you a better answer 33:21.680 --> 33:23.840 and four years is unacceptable. 33:23.840 --> 33:25.350 - Thank you, on another issue, 33:25.350 --> 33:27.323 can I do another, still have some time? 33:29.980 --> 33:32.153 We talked earlier about the space 33:32.153 --> 33:34.933 and the space force. 33:34.933 --> 33:37.280 I had a briefing recently that was 33:37.280 --> 33:39.596 astonishing to me because 33:39.596 --> 33:42.530 I said we don't really know enough of 33:42.530 --> 33:44.300 what we're doing. 33:44.300 --> 33:48.310 The case was made that's a very, very important program, 33:48.310 --> 33:50.500 but I think it would be very helpful 33:50.500 --> 33:52.170 for us to have more information about it 33:52.170 --> 33:54.550 in the way forward so we can be supportive. 33:54.550 --> 33:56.830 I would hate to lose a program like that 33:56.830 --> 33:59.340 just because we don't really understand what's going on. 33:59.340 --> 34:01.370 - We're thinking about organizing a 34:02.400 --> 34:04.860 space day up here on the hill so we can 34:05.860 --> 34:08.020 brief members and their staff 34:08.020 --> 34:08.853 in a 34:11.120 --> 34:13.070 less DOD-like vernacular 34:13.949 --> 34:16.060 and really being succinct and clear of the benefits 34:16.060 --> 34:19.757 and the resources required to implement 34:19.757 --> 34:21.542 the space agenda - Thank you. 34:21.542 --> 34:22.789 Thank you very much. 34:22.789 --> 34:24.116 Mr Chairman. 34:24.116 --> 34:25.180 - All right, 34:25.180 --> 34:26.800 I thank the General lady 34:26.800 --> 34:28.380 and before recognizing Ms McCollum 34:28.380 --> 34:30.410 I would simply associate myself 34:30.410 --> 34:32.870 with my concerns so this question about 34:34.166 --> 34:35.450 the medical records but I think I speak for everyone, 34:35.450 --> 34:37.930 Ms Lowey, Mr Rogers, Ms Granger 34:37.930 --> 34:40.830 had been (mumbles) active 34:40.830 --> 34:42.740 and for some of us who have been on the committee 34:42.740 --> 34:44.570 for a period of time we have 34:44.570 --> 34:46.830 basically had the same conversation 34:46.830 --> 34:50.170 with different iterations for 17 years. 34:50.170 --> 34:55.170 And we are concerned that people move this ahead. 34:57.050 --> 34:58.451 Ms McCollum? 34:58.451 --> 34:59.800 - Thank you Mr Chair. 34:59.800 --> 35:02.055 General Dunford I wish you all the best in your 35:02.055 --> 35:05.330 next mission which will be retirement of some form 35:05.330 --> 35:06.683 so all the best. 35:07.530 --> 35:09.600 Mr Shanahan thank you for the opportunity 35:09.600 --> 35:12.360 to visit with you and share some of the issues 35:12.360 --> 35:16.340 that concern both of us in the Department of Defense 35:16.340 --> 35:18.700 which covers many, many aspects, 35:18.700 --> 35:20.620 but I'm gonna focus on 35:21.470 --> 35:26.410 on what I consider what I like to bring to the table 35:26.410 --> 35:27.890 and that is focusing on the health 35:27.890 --> 35:29.720 of our service men and women, 35:29.720 --> 35:33.870 as well as making sure that they have 35:33.870 --> 35:35.853 the equipment and protection to 35:35.853 --> 35:40.853 complete their mission and come back home to their families. 35:40.980 --> 35:43.680 So one of the areas in which 35:43.680 --> 35:46.511 I kind of feel like I have a little bit of 35:46.511 --> 35:49.640 dual capacity is climate change 35:49.640 --> 35:53.853 and dealing with public health issues of air and water. 35:54.690 --> 35:56.160 When it comes to climate change 35:56.160 --> 35:59.540 we had a discussion about what is going on. 35:59.540 --> 36:01.100 We're an arctic nation, 36:01.100 --> 36:03.190 we need to pay more attention to the fact that 36:03.190 --> 36:06.188 we're an arctic nation and I look forward to 36:06.188 --> 36:09.940 working with you and the Chair for 36:09.940 --> 36:12.320 this committee to receive more briefings on 36:12.320 --> 36:15.690 how we can prepare our posture for up there, 36:15.690 --> 36:17.510 work with our allies on the issue, 36:17.510 --> 36:20.040 and also address some of the infrastructure 36:20.040 --> 36:22.853 needs that we're going to have in equipment in there. 36:22.853 --> 36:26.477 The other issue that I we had 36:26.477 --> 36:29.452 an opportunity to talk about is 36:29.452 --> 36:33.640 an environmental issue so I'm 36:33.640 --> 36:36.221 gonna ask you not only 36:36.221 --> 36:39.510 ahead to work with the Chairs 36:39.510 --> 36:41.220 who had said that you were planning on 36:41.220 --> 36:43.150 doing briefings on the arctic, 36:43.150 --> 36:48.150 but also to prepare for us as a committee 36:48.170 --> 36:50.120 the effects of climate change is a 36:50.120 --> 36:52.170 national security issue in other countries. 36:52.170 --> 36:54.050 We get that, the reports are out there, 36:54.050 --> 36:56.990 but also national security issue from 36:56.990 --> 36:58.750 what it's going to cost tax payers 36:58.750 --> 37:02.160 to build resiliency into our infrastructure here 37:02.160 --> 37:04.050 or infrastructure that we're gonna have to move. 37:04.050 --> 37:05.400 And we're gonna have to start 37:05.400 --> 37:07.170 I think really addressing that 37:07.170 --> 37:12.080 and holding that out in the budgets 37:12.080 --> 37:14.597 with what's going on as the Chair pointed out 37:14.597 --> 37:17.430 it wasn't a foreign entity that 37:17.430 --> 37:20.130 caused the damage that Hurricane Michael 37:20.130 --> 37:22.396 and Florence did last year and we're 37:22.396 --> 37:24.270 still struggling with getting those bases up and running. 37:24.270 --> 37:27.920 So I would look forward to 37:27.920 --> 37:29.240 working with you on those issues. 37:29.240 --> 37:30.730 I am going to ask you that we 37:30.730 --> 37:32.590 have this discussion a little bit 37:32.590 --> 37:34.990 to allow you to clarify something on the record 37:34.990 --> 37:37.160 with what's going on with the EPA, 37:37.160 --> 37:39.170 what's going on with the Department of Defense, 37:39.170 --> 37:40.890 and some chemicals that are 37:40.890 --> 37:42.253 referred to as PFAS. 37:43.846 --> 37:45.970 And I hold up, and we talked about in the office, 37:45.970 --> 37:48.220 a New York Times article and I quote from it, 37:50.861 --> 37:52.500 after pressure from the Defense Department, 37:52.500 --> 37:54.480 the Environmental Protection Agency 37:54.480 --> 37:56.580 significantly weakened proposed standard 37:56.580 --> 37:58.500 for cleaning up ground water pollution costs 37:58.500 --> 38:01.360 by toxic chemicals, contaminated drinking water 38:01.360 --> 38:03.460 consumed by millions of Americans 38:03.460 --> 38:07.290 that have been commonly used also at military bases. 38:07.290 --> 38:10.720 So you had an explanation for what 38:10.720 --> 38:12.860 the Department of Defense is working on, 38:12.860 --> 38:17.094 so I'd like you to on the record tell us 38:17.094 --> 38:19.840 what the Department of Defense is doing, 38:19.840 --> 38:22.890 what you see as an appropriate clean up level, 38:22.890 --> 38:24.380 whether or not the Pentagon in fact 38:24.380 --> 38:26.683 is pushing for weaker standards, 38:27.860 --> 38:30.650 and what is your commitment to the health 38:30.650 --> 38:33.894 and well being of the service men and women 38:33.894 --> 38:36.560 that get up and go to work every single day. 38:36.560 --> 38:37.410 Thank you Mr Chair, 38:37.410 --> 38:39.132 and I look forward to hear-- - Absolutely and thank you 38:39.132 --> 38:41.109 for the question and 38:41.109 --> 38:44.560 the health and well being of our service men members 38:44.560 --> 38:48.143 is besides national security is our number one priority. 38:49.030 --> 38:53.360 Just maybe to keep all the items on the record, 38:53.360 --> 38:55.310 no one's drinking contaminated water 38:55.310 --> 38:58.313 at the over 400 sites in question. 38:59.830 --> 39:03.690 In terms of the use of these chemicals, 39:03.690 --> 39:05.220 we no longer train with them, 39:05.220 --> 39:07.810 we no longer test with them, 39:07.810 --> 39:12.100 the only use of them it's in the event of a fire. 39:12.100 --> 39:13.890 The real work here is on remediation 39:13.890 --> 39:16.240 which is I think the line of question 39:16.240 --> 39:19.320 and what is played out in the media is 39:20.303 --> 39:25.303 the DOD advocating for a lesser standard than the EPA. 39:26.230 --> 39:28.410 And what I would say is we've 39:28.410 --> 39:32.105 agreed with the EPA on a common standard, 39:32.105 --> 39:32.970 and it was their standard. 39:32.970 --> 39:35.310 I think if we pulled apart where 39:35.310 --> 39:36.530 the discussions were occurring, 39:36.530 --> 39:39.427 it was on the processes to be used 39:39.427 --> 39:41.950 and implement the EPA standard. 39:41.950 --> 39:45.840 And we've been working to a set of super fund processes. 39:45.840 --> 39:48.670 Where we are right now and the harmonization 39:48.670 --> 39:52.350 of using the EPA standards out for public comment 39:52.350 --> 39:55.961 but in working with you and others 39:55.961 --> 39:58.120 do we have the right standards really 39:58.120 --> 39:59.943 now that the question before us. 40:01.860 --> 40:03.360 - Mr Chairman I appreciate the question 40:03.360 --> 40:05.760 that you put before us, do we have the right standards? 40:05.760 --> 40:07.030 We'll continue to work on that, thank you. 40:07.030 --> 40:08.223 Thank you Mr Chair. 40:09.280 --> 40:10.113 - Roger? 40:12.010 --> 40:13.210 - Thank you Mr Chairman. 40:14.176 --> 40:16.003 Gentlemen welcome. 40:18.910 --> 40:22.910 General Dunford congratulations on a brilliant career. 40:22.910 --> 40:26.563 We wish you the best in the next chapter. 40:28.120 --> 40:30.570 It's been 10 years at least 40:32.560 --> 40:34.800 since we've heard the same assurances 40:34.800 --> 40:36.990 before this subcommittees and other 40:36.990 --> 40:40.373 committees of Congress about the medical health records. 40:42.540 --> 40:47.540 It's incredible that we can't get this fixed. 40:48.230 --> 40:52.240 In the mean time we've got young veterans dying, 40:52.240 --> 40:53.323 going blind, 40:54.600 --> 40:56.910 suffering of terminal illness 40:56.910 --> 40:59.863 because of bureaucratic crap. 41:02.500 --> 41:04.790 Each agency veterans and DOD 41:06.530 --> 41:07.993 have had their own systems, 41:09.210 --> 41:12.860 refusing to build a link between the two 41:13.860 --> 41:18.330 in order to give VA the medical information 41:18.330 --> 41:21.410 that it needs to help a veteran wounded 41:21.410 --> 41:22.923 during the fighting. 41:23.920 --> 41:25.570 My colleagues have heard me 41:25.570 --> 41:28.290 tell this story a thousand times. 41:28.290 --> 41:31.740 Young man from a district who 41:31.740 --> 41:34.000 was injured in Iraq 41:35.560 --> 41:36.393 from a bomb. 41:36.393 --> 41:39.180 One eye was destroyed, the other severely damaged. 41:39.180 --> 41:41.880 They brought him to Germany and operated 41:41.880 --> 41:44.673 to try to save this one eye successfully. 41:45.520 --> 41:48.773 Not fully, but fairly well. 41:49.710 --> 41:52.140 Well this eye then as he becomes a veteran 41:52.140 --> 41:54.543 becomes infected. 41:55.530 --> 41:58.473 So he goes to the Lexington VA Hospital. 42:00.541 --> 42:04.253 They can't get access to his records from Germany. 42:05.970 --> 42:07.243 There's no way to get it. 42:08.440 --> 42:10.440 They knew he had been operated on 42:10.440 --> 42:13.210 but they could not operate because 42:13.210 --> 42:14.990 they didn't know what had been done before 42:14.990 --> 42:17.760 and they were afraid they would kill him. 42:17.760 --> 42:18.950 So they turned him away 42:20.533 --> 42:21.933 and of course he went blind. 42:23.110 --> 42:25.273 That's inexcusable, 42:26.670 --> 42:30.760 and Mr Secretary I've heard your predecessors say 42:30.760 --> 42:32.310 hey we got it on the way, 42:32.310 --> 42:35.110 it's gonna be here, the fix is in. 42:35.110 --> 42:36.490 Well it's been 10 years 42:37.360 --> 42:39.430 and we've poured billions of dollars 42:40.290 --> 42:44.120 into this seemingly simple problem. 42:44.120 --> 42:47.903 Why can't we have the computers marry? 42:52.760 --> 42:54.143 Can you help me out here? 42:56.500 --> 42:59.220 Don't promise something you can't deliver, 42:59.220 --> 43:00.523 but deliver. 43:04.060 --> 43:05.380 - Well I'm not gonna promise you 43:05.380 --> 43:07.950 something I can't deliver but I can maybe 43:07.950 --> 43:11.270 explain in part the difference 43:11.270 --> 43:12.630 between why these two computers 43:12.630 --> 43:13.933 can't talk to one another. 43:15.220 --> 43:16.490 There's a degree of interoperability 43:16.490 --> 43:18.630 that has to do with information like 43:18.630 --> 43:20.720 what's General Dunford's date of birth 43:20.720 --> 43:22.480 or where is his home address. 43:22.480 --> 43:25.220 The real issue has been on 43:25.220 --> 43:28.610 the passing of the actual records. 43:28.610 --> 43:32.000 I can't explain to you the technical complexity of that 43:32.000 --> 43:34.960 but that's been the crux of the problem. 43:34.960 --> 43:37.270 I owe it to you and this committee 43:37.270 --> 43:39.490 to deliver on capability. 43:39.490 --> 43:43.203 I promise to do my best. 43:43.203 --> 43:45.810 I'd love to be able to sit here today 43:45.810 --> 43:48.730 and say let's draw a line in the sand, 43:48.730 --> 43:50.293 I can deliver this capability 43:50.293 --> 43:52.200 but we delivered on the first substantiation 43:52.200 --> 43:53.120 in the northwest-- 43:53.120 --> 43:55.140 - We've had your 43:57.180 --> 43:59.280 staff people before this subcommittee 43:59.280 --> 44:01.320 on this question numerous times. 44:01.320 --> 44:04.890 It's been a constant barrage of questions 44:04.890 --> 44:07.080 from members of this subcommittee 44:07.080 --> 44:10.803 to you and your predecessors and your staffs. 44:11.720 --> 44:16.080 So you've known how strongly we all feel abut this 44:16.080 --> 44:19.330 and yet we're told it's gonna take another 44:19.330 --> 44:21.093 four of five years? 44:24.289 --> 44:25.290 And in the mean time we're gonna lose 44:25.290 --> 44:29.150 a lot of young soldiers who sacrificed their health 44:30.436 --> 44:31.986 in the defense of this country. 44:32.850 --> 44:35.970 I can't believe that we have not 44:35.970 --> 44:37.733 already solved this problem. 44:38.810 --> 44:41.410 General Dunford do you have any thoughts about this? 44:43.250 --> 44:44.877 - Congressman in the last time touched it 44:44.877 --> 44:46.900 was in a previous assignment so I 44:46.900 --> 44:48.397 don't have anything to update. 44:48.397 --> 44:51.057 And in my current assignment I 44:51.057 --> 44:52.290 don't touch this specific issue every day 44:52.290 --> 44:54.783 so I don't have any details on where we are. 44:57.480 --> 44:59.893 - Well we sit here waiting. 45:01.650 --> 45:03.460 And Mr Secretary I'm gonna hold your 45:03.460 --> 45:04.947 feet to the fire on this. 45:04.947 --> 45:06.860 Get it done. 45:06.860 --> 45:07.863 It's time. 45:08.990 --> 45:09.980 It's past time 45:10.950 --> 45:12.940 and you've heard the Chairman of this subcommittee 45:12.940 --> 45:16.810 and his strong feelings about this subject as well, 45:16.810 --> 45:18.813 much more important than mine. 45:20.170 --> 45:22.020 But we're gonna stay with this again. 45:23.560 --> 45:26.530 And it's not gonna take another 10 years 45:26.530 --> 45:27.943 or another four years. 45:29.160 --> 45:31.410 Get it done now. 45:31.410 --> 45:33.340 Stop the suffering. 45:33.340 --> 45:34.173 Thank you. 45:35.649 --> 45:38.060 (Visclosky mumbles name) 45:38.060 --> 45:39.123 - Thank you Mr Chair, 45:40.192 --> 45:41.690 and thanks to each of you for being with us 45:41.690 --> 45:44.170 and for your service. 45:44.170 --> 45:47.590 I used to work in economic development in 45:47.590 --> 45:50.670 Tacoma, Washington and had a sign in my office 45:50.670 --> 45:52.080 that said we are competing with 45:52.080 --> 45:55.320 everyone, everywhere, ever day, forever, 45:55.320 --> 45:57.560 which I always found somewhat intimidating 45:57.560 --> 45:59.540 but was a pretty good effort for folks 45:59.540 --> 46:01.720 who work in economic development. 46:01.720 --> 46:03.880 It's a pretty good ethic when we look at 46:03.880 --> 46:06.490 our national security challenges as well. 46:06.490 --> 46:08.480 I know part of this strategy is 46:08.480 --> 46:11.440 to focus on some of our near pure competitors, 46:11.440 --> 46:14.050 the great power competition with Russia and China, 46:14.050 --> 46:18.000 and was hoping you could speak to that issue. 46:18.000 --> 46:19.800 Obviously Russia and China have been 46:20.816 --> 46:23.377 modernizing while we have dealt with CR's 46:23.377 --> 46:25.127 and sequestration which I think has 46:26.129 --> 46:28.100 certainly hindered your ability to engage 46:29.920 --> 46:31.950 to the level we need to. 46:31.950 --> 46:34.060 You have made clear that your top priorities 46:34.060 --> 46:35.810 are modernizing our armed forces 46:35.810 --> 46:38.270 to face these future threats. 46:38.270 --> 46:40.900 I was hoping you would just take a minute or two 46:40.900 --> 46:43.250 'cause I wanna touch on another subject as well 46:43.250 --> 46:46.650 and talk about how your budget reflects that focus 46:48.230 --> 46:51.160 and where your top priorities are in terms of 46:51.160 --> 46:53.510 our capacity to stay ahead of Russia and China. 46:55.960 --> 46:57.490 - Well let me 46:57.490 --> 46:58.630 just 46:58.630 --> 47:02.030 follow up on the Electronic Health Record here 47:02.030 --> 47:03.540 and setting up this comment. 47:03.540 --> 47:06.240 The priority in the budget is 47:06.240 --> 47:08.370 China and Russia in terms of 47:09.570 --> 47:13.040 capability we have to address. 47:13.040 --> 47:14.650 We don't have a lower priority, 47:14.650 --> 47:17.640 and sir, we're gonna fix the Electronic Health Record. 47:17.640 --> 47:20.610 We can walk and chew gum at the same time 47:20.610 --> 47:23.590 but you have our commitment, 47:23.590 --> 47:25.530 and I'm sure you've been told this many times 47:25.530 --> 47:28.350 but we're spinning a lot of plates 47:28.350 --> 47:30.730 but we won't drop the ball on our 47:30.730 --> 47:32.940 veterans and service members. 47:32.940 --> 47:35.990 And in terms of the prioritizations 47:35.990 --> 47:37.280 and where our investments 47:38.560 --> 47:40.380 much of it is in modernization. 47:40.380 --> 47:43.440 We haven't modernized in 30 years 47:43.440 --> 47:47.660 and if we went to the armies see 6 different programs 47:47.660 --> 47:50.000 but I would just say that at a top level, 47:50.000 --> 47:53.270 the emphasis is on space, cyber, 47:53.270 --> 47:56.360 and new missiles like hyper sonics. 47:56.360 --> 47:58.570 And what you find in the budget 47:58.570 --> 48:01.500 even though we've built it up with OCO for base, 48:01.500 --> 48:03.590 the way we constructed the budget last year 48:03.590 --> 48:06.170 is the same way we constructed it this year. 48:06.170 --> 48:08.716 And we're continuing to put greater 48:08.716 --> 48:11.660 and greater investment into modernization. 48:11.660 --> 48:14.500 I spoke to the fact that this is the biggest 48:14.500 --> 48:18.583 research and development budget in 70 years. 48:19.810 --> 48:21.830 Cyber is a significant investment 48:21.830 --> 48:24.470 because of all the threats that we face today. 48:24.470 --> 48:27.740 That's probably the fastest evolving one, 48:27.740 --> 48:29.990 it's also the one that is easiest 48:29.990 --> 48:31.943 for people to develop on their own. 48:33.740 --> 48:36.130 - The other issue and this to some degree 48:37.960 --> 48:39.950 is germaine 48:41.173 --> 48:43.573 to the concerns around health care, 48:44.571 --> 48:47.710 I think all of us are concerned about 48:47.710 --> 48:51.170 the rise of suicide among active duty 48:51.170 --> 48:53.323 service members over the last few years. 48:55.120 --> 48:59.606 Worry that community stability is somehow become frayed, 48:59.606 --> 49:02.300 and I know that that's a priority for 49:02.300 --> 49:03.520 each of you at that table, 49:03.520 --> 49:05.860 and I'm hoping can speak to some of the work 49:05.860 --> 49:07.700 that the department is doing on this front 49:07.700 --> 49:10.500 to address issues around suicide, 49:10.500 --> 49:12.940 to hopefully rebuild the sense of community 49:12.940 --> 49:15.350 and relationships that hold service members 49:15.350 --> 49:16.720 and their families together, 49:16.720 --> 49:19.479 and ensure the department is there for 49:19.479 --> 49:23.363 those who are serving when they most need our support. 49:24.662 --> 49:25.600 - Thank you congressman. 49:25.600 --> 49:29.850 I'll start and express the same concern that you did 49:29.850 --> 49:32.340 about the rise in suicides. 49:32.340 --> 49:35.065 This is an issue that in several assignments 49:35.065 --> 49:38.360 have been decisively engaged in 49:38.360 --> 49:39.460 and looked hard at it. 49:40.457 --> 49:43.180 Probably the most promising thing I have seen 49:43.180 --> 49:46.490 is the multi-disciplinary approach to health care. 49:46.490 --> 49:48.410 You can see that here in Washington, D.C., 49:48.410 --> 49:50.220 international capital area at the 49:50.220 --> 49:52.390 National Intrepid Center of Excellence 49:52.390 --> 49:53.960 and we have satellite National Intrepid Center 49:53.960 --> 49:56.980 of Excellence sites around at our 49:56.980 --> 49:58.630 military bases and installations. 49:59.560 --> 50:00.680 We don't have them everywhere 50:00.680 --> 50:03.006 but we have em in those areas where 50:03.006 --> 50:04.379 there's the highest incident 50:04.379 --> 50:05.230 and the highest need particularly 50:05.230 --> 50:06.950 for those returning from deployment. 50:06.950 --> 50:08.811 As you know one of the perplexing challenges 50:08.811 --> 50:12.960 is that there's no common trend 50:12.960 --> 50:15.130 in terms of suicides amongst our 50:15.130 --> 50:16.230 active duty population. 50:16.230 --> 50:18.210 We can clearly see a correlation 50:18.210 --> 50:20.190 between deployment history and veterans. 50:20.190 --> 50:21.810 There is not a similar correlation 50:21.810 --> 50:24.920 between deployment history and the active duty population. 50:24.920 --> 50:27.810 But I guess to answer your question succinctly 50:27.810 --> 50:29.920 I think it's the comprehensive approach 50:29.920 --> 50:32.130 to mental health care thar includes 50:32.130 --> 50:35.380 leadership, a chaplain, the medical professionals, 50:35.380 --> 50:37.650 all in one place have a common visibility 50:37.650 --> 50:39.570 but a soldier, sailor, airman, and marine 50:39.570 --> 50:41.435 and make sure we're dealing with 50:41.435 --> 50:43.060 the whole individual and not a compartmentalized 50:43.060 --> 50:44.210 approach to their care. 50:45.195 --> 50:47.130 - Thank you. 50:47.130 --> 50:48.320 Thank you Mr Chair, I yield back. 50:48.320 --> 50:49.470 - [Visclosky] Mr Cole ? 50:49.470 --> 50:51.200 - Thank you very much Mr Chairman. 50:51.200 --> 50:53.420 Secretary good to see you. 50:53.420 --> 50:56.250 General Dunford let me just join everybody here 50:56.250 --> 50:58.270 we are all very much in your debt 50:58.270 --> 51:00.480 and very appreciative of the service you've 51:00.480 --> 51:02.260 rendered our country. 51:02.260 --> 51:04.360 I'm gonna use this occasion Mr Secretary 51:04.360 --> 51:06.680 to talk about something that you 51:06.680 --> 51:08.610 can't do much directly about 51:08.610 --> 51:09.950 but maybe you can talk to a couple 51:09.950 --> 51:10.890 of the people that can. 51:10.890 --> 51:12.750 And I'm gonna take the same opportunity 51:12.750 --> 51:15.120 to talk to the Chairman of the full committee 51:15.120 --> 51:19.653 and my boss, the ranking member of the full committee. 51:20.560 --> 51:23.570 And I was asked earlier by another member 51:23.570 --> 51:26.500 what are you top three priorities in the defense budget, 51:26.500 --> 51:28.810 and I said to avoid a shut down, 51:28.810 --> 51:32.250 to avoid sequester, and to avoid a CR. 51:32.250 --> 51:33.560 Didn't have anything to do with the programs. 51:33.560 --> 51:35.565 I just wanna do that. 51:35.565 --> 51:38.020 And 'cause the budget looks pretty good to me 51:38.020 --> 51:41.714 proudly speaking but to do that, 51:41.714 --> 51:44.910 we have to have the President of the United States 51:44.910 --> 51:46.790 talk to the Speaker of the House, 51:46.790 --> 51:50.920 talk to the minority leader in the house, 51:50.920 --> 51:52.500 obviously the majority leader in the Senate, 51:52.500 --> 51:53.440 minority leader in the Senate 51:53.440 --> 51:55.270 and get us a set of numbers. 51:55.270 --> 51:56.720 Right now we're gonna mark up a bill 51:56.720 --> 51:57.930 at some point and we're gonna do it 51:57.930 --> 51:59.090 to notional numbers. 51:59.090 --> 52:02.440 They're not real numbers 'cause we don't have an agreement. 52:02.440 --> 52:04.060 And until we get that agreement 52:04.060 --> 52:06.440 everything we do is at risk. 52:06.440 --> 52:08.760 Now I pick up this morning's paper 52:08.760 --> 52:10.790 and I read that the President 52:10.790 --> 52:14.033 and the Speaker and the minority leader in the Senate 52:14.033 --> 52:16.640 were all talking about an infrastructure bill yesterday. 52:16.640 --> 52:17.670 Wonderful, great. 52:17.670 --> 52:18.900 Two trillion dollars. 52:18.900 --> 52:21.270 How about we focus on what matters 52:21.270 --> 52:24.560 which is our really day to day budget. 52:24.560 --> 52:27.890 Let's get that deal first before we worry about the next one 52:27.890 --> 52:30.660 because we will stumble along this summer 52:30.660 --> 52:31.610 and if we're not careful, 52:31.610 --> 52:33.240 we're gonna put you guys right back 52:33.240 --> 52:35.470 where we put you until last year 52:35.470 --> 52:37.580 for the first time in ten years 52:37.580 --> 52:39.590 where we actually got you a budget on time 52:39.590 --> 52:41.090 and you've had a year to implement it 52:41.090 --> 52:42.630 and believe me things are better. 52:42.630 --> 52:44.703 I see it in the facilities. 52:44.703 --> 52:46.680 In my district, in Fort Sill, 52:46.680 --> 52:48.230 I see it in Canker Air Force Base. 52:48.230 --> 52:50.240 Things are better 'cause they had a budget. 52:50.240 --> 52:53.260 They could plan, they're moving well 52:53.260 --> 52:55.033 on their respective mission. 52:56.104 --> 52:57.460 So I just say that, 52:57.460 --> 52:59.240 go back to the White House 52:59.240 --> 53:00.680 and ask 'em to sit down 53:00.680 --> 53:02.920 and with the appropriate people get a budget. 53:02.920 --> 53:06.200 They are the people responsible for running the country. 53:06.200 --> 53:08.400 You can't run it without a budget. 53:08.400 --> 53:10.920 I also wanna associate myself very much 53:10.920 --> 53:13.130 with our subcommittee, Chairman, 53:13.130 --> 53:14.280 and committee, the full thing, 53:14.280 --> 53:16.000 this is OCO thing is a gimmick. 53:16.000 --> 53:17.750 We all know it's a gimmick. 53:17.750 --> 53:19.660 I know you have to do. 53:19.660 --> 53:21.130 Look I know who you work for, 53:21.130 --> 53:24.070 and I know that OMB sets these things up. 53:24.070 --> 53:26.070 And I've been in enough budget negotiations 53:26.070 --> 53:28.010 to know that that's all a budget is, 53:28.010 --> 53:30.060 the opening round of a negotiation. 53:30.060 --> 53:31.490 People try to position it. 53:31.490 --> 53:33.609 But this is more unrealistic than most 53:33.609 --> 53:36.848 initial positions to negotiate from. 53:36.848 --> 53:40.170 That is not gonna stand 53:40.170 --> 53:42.070 and when each side starts off with 53:42.070 --> 53:43.790 I'm gonna get everything I want 53:43.790 --> 53:45.690 and you're gonna get nothing that you want, 53:45.690 --> 53:47.440 nobody's gonna get anything. 53:47.440 --> 53:49.130 And to wait to the last minute which I 53:49.130 --> 53:51.860 suspect where we're headed is a mistake 53:51.860 --> 53:53.730 and a disservice to you 53:53.730 --> 53:55.689 and the men and women that you lead. 53:55.689 --> 53:56.522 You, we are better. 53:56.522 --> 53:58.900 We should be better in governing than that. 53:58.900 --> 54:00.450 This is our problem not yours, 54:00.450 --> 54:02.680 but it is an administration problem as well. 54:02.680 --> 54:04.970 They have to participate in this 54:04.970 --> 54:07.530 and it's a leadership level, not at this committee. 54:07.530 --> 54:09.380 This committee if you leave the appropriators to it 54:09.380 --> 54:10.560 they'll get you a deal. 54:10.560 --> 54:12.060 I always said if I could put Anita Lowey 54:12.060 --> 54:13.540 and Kay Granger in the same room, 54:13.540 --> 54:15.850 it'll solve the problem in about an hour. 54:15.850 --> 54:17.730 And they'll come out and they'll put us all to work 54:17.730 --> 54:19.380 with our respective numbers 54:19.380 --> 54:21.110 and what we're supposed to do. 54:21.110 --> 54:22.950 And I would just suggest that 54:22.950 --> 54:25.210 the leadership of the Congress 54:25.210 --> 54:26.850 and the leadership of the administration 54:26.850 --> 54:28.450 needs to be as capable as our Chairman 54:28.450 --> 54:30.720 and our ranking member or we'll get this done. 54:30.720 --> 54:32.810 So again not your fault 54:32.810 --> 54:34.330 but I hope you carry the message back. 54:34.330 --> 54:35.590 'Cause everything else we're doing here 54:35.590 --> 54:37.723 is futile until we have that deal, 54:38.870 --> 54:39.930 we have a number you guys can plan, 54:39.930 --> 54:41.160 we can work with you to get to 54:41.160 --> 54:42.200 where we need to go. 54:42.200 --> 54:43.980 I do have a question real quickly 54:43.980 --> 54:46.130 if I may and Mr Chairman thank you 54:46.130 --> 54:47.881 for indulging me in my rant, 54:47.881 --> 54:50.920 but Secretary Shanahan you described 54:50.920 --> 54:52.930 an 80 percent readiness target 54:52.930 --> 54:55.810 for mission critical aviation platform 54:55.810 --> 54:57.460 that you'd like to achieve. 54:57.460 --> 54:59.810 I had Tinker Air Force Base in my district. 54:59.810 --> 55:02.690 They do wonderful work, great work, 55:02.690 --> 55:04.700 they're a big fan of John Kirkland. 55:04.700 --> 55:07.230 Big fan of General Levy before him. 55:07.230 --> 55:09.840 But aint anywhere near 80 percent mission ready 55:09.840 --> 55:11.610 and the platforms they're dealing with 55:11.610 --> 55:13.340 or anybody else that I know is dealing with. 55:13.340 --> 55:16.880 So again I wanna achieve this goal. 55:16.880 --> 55:18.370 What do you need to achieve this goal 55:18.370 --> 55:20.573 an where are we at in reaching that goal? 55:21.970 --> 55:24.694 - The 80 percent target was for 55:24.694 --> 55:26.070 F-35's, 55:26.070 --> 55:26.903 F-22's, 55:26.903 --> 55:27.736 F-16's, 55:27.736 --> 55:29.233 and F-18's. 55:30.381 --> 55:35.050 The real emphasis was on F-35 and the F-18. 55:35.050 --> 55:38.400 So when we think about B52's and B1's 55:38.400 --> 55:39.760 it's an unrealistic goal so we 55:39.760 --> 55:42.170 didn't target those platforms. 55:42.170 --> 55:44.570 The F-35's being brand (clears throat) 55:44.570 --> 55:46.590 excuse me, brand new air craft 55:46.590 --> 55:49.320 of that should be the baseline where we start. 55:49.320 --> 55:53.940 So the Navy has made significant progress 55:53.940 --> 55:55.010 with the F18's. 55:55.010 --> 55:59.290 I think they're on track to meet the goal in September. 55:59.290 --> 56:01.450 I can't give you the number 56:01.450 --> 56:03.510 but it's somewhere like they've recovered 56:03.510 --> 56:06.800 50 to 60 more air craft in the past six months. 56:06.800 --> 56:10.780 It's been a tremendous amount of progress. 56:10.780 --> 56:13.530 The F35 will come home. 56:13.530 --> 56:15.280 We're gonna drive that home 56:15.280 --> 56:20.280 but we wanna set that bar across all the platforms. 56:21.463 --> 56:22.483 F22 has struggled, 56:25.194 --> 56:28.250 and I think the F16 is a bit of a high bar 56:28.250 --> 56:33.250 but it's a lot of iron to keep on the ground 56:34.150 --> 56:36.377 and given all the training missions 56:36.377 --> 56:39.040 and the productivity we can generate, 56:39.040 --> 56:43.043 I think holding that standard is smart for now. 56:43.043 --> 56:44.810 - Well I applaud you for the standard 56:44.810 --> 56:48.420 and we'll certainly do everything we can to work with you 56:48.420 --> 56:51.070 'cause we got a lotta money invested 56:51.070 --> 56:53.060 in these platforms and we've got a lotta fliers 56:53.060 --> 56:54.330 that aren't getting the air time they 56:54.330 --> 56:56.140 need in terms of readiness as well. 56:56.140 --> 56:58.230 So again I just want you to know 56:58.230 --> 57:00.180 that's a very high priority for me. 57:00.180 --> 57:01.840 I'm sure it is for everybody on the committee. 57:01.840 --> 57:03.730 Thank you Mr Chairman I yield back. 57:03.730 --> 57:04.563 - Mr Aguilar? 57:05.730 --> 57:06.600 - Thank you Mr Chairman. 57:06.600 --> 57:08.050 Thank you Mr Acting Secretary 57:09.380 --> 57:11.736 and General and Mr Norquist. 57:11.736 --> 57:14.510 Mr Acting Secretary the DOD revealed 57:14.510 --> 57:16.747 that not only will the Pentagon 57:16.747 --> 57:18.390 be sending 320 more troops to 57:18.390 --> 57:22.030 the U.S. Mexico border bring the total number to 32 hundred, 57:22.030 --> 57:24.330 but it's also disclosed that the rules 57:24.330 --> 57:25.870 will also be loosened so that 57:25.870 --> 57:28.300 some troops can interact with migrants. 57:28.300 --> 57:30.440 This represents a significant amount 57:30.440 --> 57:32.030 of resources going toward a mission 57:32.030 --> 57:34.160 that has no end in sight. 57:34.160 --> 57:35.900 How will this perpetual deployment 57:35.900 --> 57:38.340 affect troop readiness and describe how 57:38.340 --> 57:40.300 making such a deployment will not 57:40.300 --> 57:42.160 interfere with the multitude of missions 57:42.160 --> 57:44.963 that the Armed Forces are already engaged in? 57:46.550 --> 57:47.570 - Thank you for that question 57:47.570 --> 57:52.240 and this is an issue that General Dunford and I 57:52.240 --> 57:53.720 work on quite a bit because 57:53.720 --> 57:57.010 the question that he and I 57:57.010 --> 57:59.300 really are trying to answer is 57:59.300 --> 58:01.872 how long will we be at the border? 58:01.872 --> 58:04.623 And so to date if we go back in time 58:04.623 --> 58:08.130 we received our first request 58:08.130 --> 58:10.660 a little over a year ago in April. 58:10.660 --> 58:12.860 And it was I think we've really been 58:12.860 --> 58:14.600 on this kind of a la cart approach 58:15.503 --> 58:17.470 where we've been asked to support DHS and we have. 58:17.470 --> 58:20.370 It's traditional that the department 58:20.370 --> 58:21.760 supports civil authorities, 58:21.760 --> 58:25.120 whether it's hurricanes or what have you. 58:25.120 --> 58:26.550 We're now in a position where we 58:26.550 --> 58:29.280 need to ask the question how long will we be there 58:29.280 --> 58:30.900 and when we've gone through 58:30.900 --> 58:33.030 and looked at the conditions at the border 58:35.525 --> 58:36.358 and borders 58:37.910 --> 58:40.430 CBP's ability 58:40.430 --> 58:41.790 to actually perform their duty, 58:41.790 --> 58:43.900 there are thousands of people short. 58:43.900 --> 58:46.640 So we've initiated a set of actions 58:46.640 --> 58:49.160 that really understand how many people are they short 58:49.160 --> 58:53.488 'cause we need to get that into a sustained environment. 58:53.488 --> 58:57.010 We're driving buses, we're serving food, 58:57.010 --> 58:58.360 we're doing medical support, 58:58.360 --> 58:59.610 we're doing logistic support. 58:59.610 --> 59:02.400 For now we haven't degraded any readiness 59:02.400 --> 59:04.410 but we really need to get back to our 59:04.410 --> 59:07.790 primary missions and continue to generate readiness. 59:07.790 --> 59:10.800 - Yeah because the department also presented 59:10.800 --> 59:14.410 this committee a list of unfunded requirements 59:14.410 --> 59:16.610 totaling 8.3 billion. 59:16.610 --> 59:19.010 And the departments estimated 9 billion 59:19.010 --> 59:21.470 in hurricane and storm damage that 59:21.470 --> 59:24.260 impacts troop readiness and morale as well, 59:24.260 --> 59:29.200 yet the departments overestimation for FY 19 end strength 59:29.200 --> 59:30.880 resulted in a billion dollars. 59:30.880 --> 59:35.680 And so you have these two buckets of unfunded requirements 59:36.566 --> 59:40.570 and potential disasters to be mitigated 59:40.570 --> 59:43.948 and yet we choose to send a billion dollars 59:43.948 --> 59:48.360 to a priority that has not been funded. 59:48.360 --> 59:50.180 So why 59:50.180 --> 59:52.660 with all of this going on do we need 59:53.900 --> 59:56.557 to send a billion dollars 59:56.557 --> 59:57.770 and a military personnel funding 59:57.770 --> 01:00:00.110 for the President's border wall? 01:00:00.110 --> 01:00:01.500 - Well we need to secure the border. 01:00:01.500 --> 01:00:02.530 I mean this is-- 01:00:02.530 --> 01:00:04.941 - [Aguilar] I understand that, all of us agree with that. 01:00:04.941 --> 01:00:05.774 - Right, right. 01:00:05.774 --> 01:00:07.180 - [Aguilar] Why is it your responsibility? 01:00:07.180 --> 01:00:09.410 Why isn't this not a DHS priority 01:00:09.410 --> 01:00:11.133 to be worked out with Congress? 01:00:11.133 --> 01:00:14.365 - The simple version as I have a 01:00:14.365 --> 01:00:18.580 legal standing order from the Commander In Chief 01:00:18.580 --> 01:00:22.370 to deploy resources to support a national emergency. 01:00:22.370 --> 01:00:24.540 - Do you feel that you also have 01:00:24.540 --> 01:00:29.210 the constitutional authority to follow the will of congress? 01:00:29.210 --> 01:00:32.000 - I have a legal standing order 01:00:32.000 --> 01:00:33.843 from the Commander in Chief. 01:00:35.770 --> 01:00:37.780 - So does the department intend to 01:00:37.780 --> 01:00:41.844 continue to ignore our responsibility 01:00:41.844 --> 01:00:44.900 for the power of the purse? 01:00:44.900 --> 01:00:46.078 - We won't ignore. 01:00:46.078 --> 01:00:47.278 - [Aguilar] But you did. 01:00:48.290 --> 01:00:49.590 - No we're following the law. 01:00:49.590 --> 01:00:50.550 It's within the law 01:00:51.390 --> 01:00:55.190 for us to be able to utilize these funds. 01:00:55.190 --> 01:00:56.320 It's within the law. 01:00:56.320 --> 01:00:58.110 I wouldn't break the law. 01:00:58.110 --> 01:00:58.943 - Okay. 01:01:00.240 --> 01:01:02.090 Can we expect anything else within 01:01:02.090 --> 01:01:04.803 the supplemental related to personnel? 01:01:06.417 --> 01:01:09.780 Judges, lawyers, drivers, transport, 01:01:09.780 --> 01:01:12.380 that 377 billion supplemental 01:01:12.380 --> 01:01:13.780 that the Chairman mentioned. 01:01:16.397 --> 01:01:18.980 What will be contained within that? 01:01:18.980 --> 01:01:20.970 - Did you say billion or million? 01:01:20.970 --> 01:01:21.833 - I'm sorry million, - Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:01:21.833 --> 01:01:23.354 - I'm sorry. - No no no 01:01:23.354 --> 01:01:24.737 I think it's-- 01:01:24.737 --> 01:01:25.737 - I don't wanna make news there. 01:01:25.737 --> 01:01:26.834 - Yeah no no. 01:01:26.834 --> 01:01:28.810 (light laughter) 01:01:28.810 --> 01:01:29.643 Yeah 01:01:30.500 --> 01:01:32.340 just to be clear I believe 01:01:32.340 --> 01:01:34.940 and I'll ask David to clarify 01:01:34.940 --> 01:01:37.810 but that is our estimate for this year. 01:01:37.810 --> 01:01:38.643 David? 01:01:39.620 --> 01:01:41.169 - Correct that's the estimate for the year 01:01:41.169 --> 01:01:42.002 but many of the functions that you 01:01:42.002 --> 01:01:44.231 talked about are those that are 01:01:44.231 --> 01:01:46.060 ones that we are performing in support of CBP. 01:01:46.060 --> 01:01:47.720 The bus driving, the food, the others. 01:01:47.720 --> 01:01:50.720 But the 377 I believe or just under 400 01:01:50.720 --> 01:01:54.370 is the cost associated with the support for year. 01:01:54.370 --> 01:01:55.570 - Yeah I guess I'm still struggling 01:01:55.570 --> 01:01:57.280 with the policy Mr Acting Secretary 01:01:57.280 --> 01:01:59.220 on at what level you feel you 01:01:59.220 --> 01:02:02.690 need to continue to backfill CBP operations. 01:02:02.690 --> 01:02:04.310 But I'll move on. 01:02:04.310 --> 01:02:06.753 Quickly, can you give us an update on 01:02:06.753 --> 01:02:09.520 there's a program of interest 01:02:09.520 --> 01:02:10.850 to me and a lot of us, 01:02:10.850 --> 01:02:13.395 the information assurance scholarship program 01:02:13.395 --> 01:02:16.338 that performs DOD cyber scholarships? 01:02:16.338 --> 01:02:19.180 How is it performing currently? 01:02:19.180 --> 01:02:21.877 Where do you see this going in the future? 01:02:21.877 --> 01:02:24.620 And how important is it to prepare 01:02:24.620 --> 01:02:27.600 future cyber warriors within the department? 01:02:27.600 --> 01:02:28.433 - Right, well 01:02:30.632 --> 01:02:32.770 the scholarship and the recruitment 01:02:32.770 --> 01:02:35.120 and the retainment of cyber professionals 01:02:35.120 --> 01:02:37.813 is probably the greatest skill challenge 01:02:37.813 --> 01:02:39.470 that we have in the department. 01:02:39.470 --> 01:02:41.080 There aren't enough software engineers 01:02:41.080 --> 01:02:43.240 in the world and there probably never will be. 01:02:43.240 --> 01:02:45.230 The skills that we've developed 01:02:45.230 --> 01:02:47.580 inside the department are world class 01:02:47.580 --> 01:02:51.110 and the ability to recruit and retain 01:02:52.330 --> 01:02:55.240 within cyber command, within each of the services 01:02:55.240 --> 01:03:00.240 with the NSA is probably our biggest threat. 01:03:00.400 --> 01:03:03.840 The scholarship program I don't know 01:03:03.840 --> 01:03:07.020 the particulars of its effectiveness. 01:03:07.020 --> 01:03:08.570 I know that every place where we've 01:03:08.570 --> 01:03:11.300 put a program in place it's worked 01:03:11.300 --> 01:03:13.270 and we should be doing more. 01:03:13.270 --> 01:03:14.950 - This program is housed within 01:03:14.950 --> 01:03:17.760 the Chief Information Officer budget 01:03:17.760 --> 01:03:21.732 within your office but it's something that 01:03:21.732 --> 01:03:24.437 Congress has funded the past few years 01:03:24.437 --> 01:03:26.120 and we look forward to 01:03:26.120 --> 01:03:26.953 working with you on it. - Thank you for that. 01:03:26.953 --> 01:03:27.786 - Appreciate it. 01:03:27.786 --> 01:03:29.350 Thank you Mr Chairman. 01:03:29.350 --> 01:03:31.313 - Thank you very much Mr Secretary. 01:03:32.620 --> 01:03:34.310 Mr Norquist, General Dunford, 01:03:34.310 --> 01:03:35.580 thanks again for your service. 01:03:35.580 --> 01:03:37.620 I join my colleagues up here in 01:03:37.620 --> 01:03:40.290 congratulating you on a remarkable career. 01:03:40.290 --> 01:03:44.890 At the risk of beating a dead horse on EHR 01:03:44.890 --> 01:03:47.270 but I join my colleague from Texas 01:03:47.270 --> 01:03:48.670 and my colleague from Kentucky 01:03:48.670 --> 01:03:50.950 and watching some concerns about it 01:03:50.950 --> 01:03:52.370 but to be fair 01:03:52.370 --> 01:03:54.063 it is a shared responsibility. 01:03:55.345 --> 01:03:57.249 If you're gonna marry platforms 01:03:57.249 --> 01:04:00.370 from two different cabinet agencies 01:04:01.700 --> 01:04:04.200 it's a shared responsibility so 01:04:04.200 --> 01:04:07.220 can you enlighten me on what your 01:04:07.220 --> 01:04:10.290 conversations with the Secretary Wilkie 01:04:10.290 --> 01:04:12.390 have been like in 01:04:13.560 --> 01:04:15.910 the marriage between these two systems 01:04:15.910 --> 01:04:19.150 it seems to take such a long time 01:04:19.150 --> 01:04:21.083 at such a extraordinary expense. 01:04:24.960 --> 01:04:27.960 - Before undertaking these duties 01:04:27.960 --> 01:04:29.810 and responsibilities I spent quite a bit 01:04:29.810 --> 01:04:33.360 of time with Secretary Shulkin 01:04:33.360 --> 01:04:36.050 and then with Secretary Wilkie on 01:04:36.050 --> 01:04:38.270 putting a governance process in place 01:04:38.270 --> 01:04:40.630 but more importantly making sure that 01:04:40.630 --> 01:04:42.890 there was enough cross talk on 01:04:42.890 --> 01:04:45.900 the requirements in terms of the interfaces 01:04:45.900 --> 01:04:49.970 and of how these data interchange would play. 01:04:49.970 --> 01:04:52.870 I haven't talked to Secretary Wilkie this year 01:04:52.870 --> 01:04:56.010 given these responsibilities. 01:04:56.010 --> 01:04:58.510 I'll accept the responsibility the fact 01:04:58.510 --> 01:05:00.350 we have to go deliver on these systems. 01:05:00.350 --> 01:05:01.960 I mean I own it. 01:05:01.960 --> 01:05:05.900 I own it now but I don't have any other updates 01:05:05.900 --> 01:05:07.990 other than the ones in the previous 01:05:07.990 --> 01:05:08.823 where we put 01:05:10.180 --> 01:05:13.260 the actions that with David Shulkin 01:05:13.260 --> 01:05:15.830 and with Secretary Wilkie, 01:05:15.830 --> 01:05:18.790 we identified critical deficiencies. 01:05:18.790 --> 01:05:19.820 That's where we spent our time. 01:05:19.820 --> 01:05:21.270 What are the critical deficiencies 01:05:21.270 --> 01:05:22.893 and when will they be corrected. 01:05:24.120 --> 01:05:27.600 - Well I don't know a lot about the IT community 01:05:28.940 --> 01:05:30.370 but I do know this, 01:05:30.370 --> 01:05:33.040 former Secretary Shulkin made a decision. 01:05:33.040 --> 01:05:35.289 At least he was able to make a decision 01:05:35.289 --> 01:05:37.570 on an acceptable platform. 01:05:37.570 --> 01:05:40.860 And why we are now this far down the road 01:05:40.860 --> 01:05:43.970 without any action as I said, 01:05:43.970 --> 01:05:45.990 I share the concerns with my colleagues. 01:05:45.990 --> 01:05:47.650 But I wanna talk about another 01:05:49.090 --> 01:05:50.940 information technology issue 01:05:50.940 --> 01:05:53.560 and that is with a simple question. 01:05:53.560 --> 01:05:56.960 Why does your department continue 01:05:56.960 --> 01:05:59.870 with what I believe to be an ill conceived strategy 01:05:59.870 --> 01:06:04.623 on a single vendor JEDI cloud program? 01:06:06.655 --> 01:06:10.307 There's been a down select to two organizations 01:06:12.890 --> 01:06:15.450 that in my strong opinion continues 01:06:15.450 --> 01:06:17.570 a disturbing pattern of limiting competition 01:06:17.570 --> 01:06:22.570 on a program that is potentially extremely expensive. 01:06:24.430 --> 01:06:27.970 We don't know just how expensive it's going to be 01:06:27.970 --> 01:06:31.430 and I have strong concerns about 01:06:31.430 --> 01:06:35.660 how the approach by the Department of Defense 01:06:35.660 --> 01:06:39.880 in this arena seems to be geared toward 01:06:42.770 --> 01:06:47.238 producing a desired outcome with this specific vendor. 01:06:47.238 --> 01:06:48.740 So I'll leave it there but 01:06:48.740 --> 01:06:50.563 I'm concerned about JEDI. 01:06:53.410 --> 01:06:55.350 - Well digital modernization is probably 01:06:55.350 --> 01:06:57.160 one of the most important undertakings 01:06:57.160 --> 01:06:59.040 the department has. 01:06:59.040 --> 01:07:01.450 For us to be successful in cyber 01:07:01.450 --> 01:07:04.030 we have to be able to protect ourselves so 01:07:04.030 --> 01:07:06.100 the cloud is 01:07:06.100 --> 01:07:07.690 one element of the infrastructure 01:07:07.690 --> 01:07:08.933 that we're modernizing. 01:07:09.930 --> 01:07:12.480 The fundamental premise on our approach 01:07:12.480 --> 01:07:16.693 to the JEDI implementation was to have competition. 01:07:17.790 --> 01:07:20.830 And this is an important under pinning 01:07:20.830 --> 01:07:22.123 of that competition. 01:07:22.970 --> 01:07:25.220 Preclude vendor lock. 01:07:25.220 --> 01:07:28.470 Okay, so we wanna be locked into one supplier 01:07:28.470 --> 01:07:30.200 just like in the situation we have 01:07:30.200 --> 01:07:31.590 with Electronic Health Record. 01:07:31.590 --> 01:07:33.963 Have flexibility if things aren't working out. 01:07:35.180 --> 01:07:36.800 Across the department there is a 01:07:36.800 --> 01:07:41.497 proliferation in terms of implementing clouds. 01:07:43.180 --> 01:07:44.963 Everyone was moving to the cloud. 01:07:46.090 --> 01:07:49.350 The JEDI competition is about 01:07:49.350 --> 01:07:54.350 creating a pathway so that we can move as a department 01:07:54.490 --> 01:07:55.760 on a small scale. 01:07:55.760 --> 01:07:57.210 This isn't wholesale. 01:07:57.210 --> 01:07:59.383 That sometimes gets advertised as this is 01:07:59.383 --> 01:08:01.010 winner take all. 01:08:01.010 --> 01:08:05.210 This is winner take all for a very small subset 01:08:05.210 --> 01:08:06.880 of the amount of cloud infrastructure 01:08:06.880 --> 01:08:09.570 we're gonna have to build out over time. 01:08:09.570 --> 01:08:11.920 Besides creating competition, 01:08:11.920 --> 01:08:13.910 we're creating the standard processes 01:08:13.910 --> 01:08:16.500 so that the department can migrate 01:08:16.500 --> 01:08:18.810 so that we don't have each and every department 01:08:18.810 --> 01:08:21.010 trying to figure out how to move to a cloud. 01:08:23.630 --> 01:08:25.730 - What conversations did you have with the 01:08:26.590 --> 01:08:27.840 intelligence community? 01:08:27.840 --> 01:08:31.550 I mean they have the same issue, correct? 01:08:31.550 --> 01:08:32.770 - [Shanahan] Correct. 01:08:32.770 --> 01:08:35.000 - And they've developed a strategy, correct? 01:08:35.000 --> 01:08:35.833 - Yup. 01:08:37.569 --> 01:08:40.370 - From single vendor now to multi vendor 01:08:40.370 --> 01:08:42.010 so was there not a 01:08:44.855 --> 01:08:48.370 an informed pathway established by the IC 01:08:48.370 --> 01:08:51.260 that has been working in this arena? 01:08:51.260 --> 01:08:53.570 Is going in a totally separate direction 01:08:53.570 --> 01:08:56.320 than what the Pentagon is going. 01:08:56.320 --> 01:09:01.127 - Actually we worked very closely with the agency, 01:09:02.090 --> 01:09:03.550 and then the person who led that effort 01:09:03.550 --> 01:09:06.020 has come over to lead the effort in the department 01:09:06.020 --> 01:09:09.180 so that we could take what they 01:09:10.590 --> 01:09:13.030 the conversations we had with hem was 01:09:13.030 --> 01:09:15.420 if you could go back in time 01:09:15.420 --> 01:09:16.900 what would you do differently. 01:09:16.900 --> 01:09:19.310 And so we're taking what they learned 01:09:19.310 --> 01:09:21.400 from their experience and translating it 01:09:21.400 --> 01:09:22.463 into what were doing. 01:09:24.280 --> 01:09:27.970 - Well all I'll say and I'll leave the subject 01:09:27.970 --> 01:09:31.280 is that it is clear that multi vendor 01:09:32.330 --> 01:09:34.800 cloud environments are widely used. 01:09:34.800 --> 01:09:37.750 Widely used by large organizations 01:09:39.170 --> 01:09:40.150 for a simple reason. 01:09:40.150 --> 01:09:41.663 They increase competition, 01:09:42.820 --> 01:09:45.200 the improve security and capability, 01:09:45.200 --> 01:09:46.770 and they provide cost savings. 01:09:46.770 --> 01:09:49.020 And in an environment like we're in right now, 01:09:49.020 --> 01:09:53.410 I would assume that that would be a key issue 01:09:53.410 --> 01:09:55.880 for the Department of Defense. 01:09:55.880 --> 01:09:57.510 Mr Chairman I'll yield back. 01:10:00.579 --> 01:10:01.680 - Thank you Mr Chairman. 01:10:01.680 --> 01:10:03.100 Before I get to a couple questions, 01:10:03.100 --> 01:10:04.910 first of all thanks to the three of you for being here. 01:10:04.910 --> 01:10:07.830 And I did want to offer an invitation 01:10:07.830 --> 01:10:10.230 to visit the Rock Island Arsenal. 01:10:10.230 --> 01:10:12.530 It is literally on island in 01:10:12.530 --> 01:10:14.350 the middle of the Mississippi River 01:10:14.350 --> 01:10:15.900 and we'd love for you to come 01:10:15.900 --> 01:10:18.080 especially to see our new center for excellence 01:10:18.080 --> 01:10:20.580 and advance an additive manufacturing. 01:10:20.580 --> 01:10:22.310 But so I just wanted to extend that 01:10:22.310 --> 01:10:24.403 if that would fit in to your schedules. 01:10:25.380 --> 01:10:26.560 So just a couple questions. 01:10:26.560 --> 01:10:31.560 I'm gonna start with looking at the make or buy guidance. 01:10:33.422 --> 01:10:36.260 And it was in September of 2018 01:10:36.260 --> 01:10:39.846 that the department release a report that's called 01:10:39.846 --> 01:10:44.080 Assessing and Strengthening the Manufacturing Defense 01:10:44.080 --> 01:10:46.410 Industrial Base and Supply Chain Resiliency. 01:10:46.410 --> 01:10:47.760 Just rolls off your tongue. 01:10:49.675 --> 01:10:51.050 So the broad takeaway in that 01:10:51.050 --> 01:10:54.670 is that the report highlights the need to sustain 01:10:54.670 --> 01:10:56.360 our organic industrial base elements 01:10:56.360 --> 01:10:58.670 like depos, the ammo plants, 01:10:58.670 --> 01:11:01.360 arsenals in a way to adjust the supply chain 01:11:01.360 --> 01:11:03.940 vulnerability and maintain some level of work force 01:11:03.940 --> 01:11:06.470 that's needed to address the industrial based needs. 01:11:06.470 --> 01:11:08.010 So one of the great challenges 01:11:08.010 --> 01:11:10.700 is the predictability of the work load 01:11:10.700 --> 01:11:13.100 to maintain and sustain the work force 01:11:13.100 --> 01:11:15.259 and to make sure that we keep up capabilities. 01:11:15.259 --> 01:11:18.550 In the army this make or buy guidance 01:11:18.550 --> 01:11:22.240 is supposed to inform the procurement officers 01:11:23.611 --> 01:11:25.060 on their decision to use the private sector 01:11:25.060 --> 01:11:27.660 or some combination of the private sector 01:11:27.660 --> 01:11:28.960 and the arsenals. 01:11:28.960 --> 01:11:31.260 I have some concern about how that's working 01:11:31.260 --> 01:11:33.660 and so what I would ask of you 01:11:33.660 --> 01:11:35.470 is can you discuss how the department is 01:11:35.470 --> 01:11:38.130 working with each of the services 01:11:38.130 --> 01:11:41.050 to ensure that their respective make or buy 01:11:41.050 --> 01:11:43.030 or equivalent guidance or regulations are 01:11:43.030 --> 01:11:45.670 addressing the needs and the challenges 01:11:45.670 --> 01:11:47.920 identified in the report from last September? 01:11:49.410 --> 01:11:51.880 - The report from last September talks about 01:11:51.880 --> 01:11:53.540 the investments we need 01:11:54.410 --> 01:11:56.970 in order to bring work back 01:11:56.970 --> 01:11:59.810 or to invest in critical capabilities, 01:11:59.810 --> 01:12:01.421 right? - Correct. 01:12:01.421 --> 01:12:02.254 - So the 01:12:03.880 --> 01:12:07.570 specifics of each service and the 01:12:07.570 --> 01:12:09.678 business base if you will, 01:12:09.678 --> 01:12:11.010 I can't speak to case by case. 01:12:11.010 --> 01:12:14.800 I mean I'd be happy to make available 01:12:14.800 --> 01:12:19.107 the people that talk through how those decisions are made. 01:12:20.820 --> 01:12:24.700 I think in terms of the Rock Island Arsenal 01:12:24.700 --> 01:12:27.094 and arsenals in general we think about 01:12:27.094 --> 01:12:29.500 the National Defense Strategy 01:12:29.500 --> 01:12:32.360 and modernization they're in this report 01:12:32.360 --> 01:12:34.610 there are two big opportunities right now. 01:12:34.610 --> 01:12:37.540 One is if we're gonna bring work back, 01:12:37.540 --> 01:12:40.790 then there are certain capabilities that are in China 01:12:40.790 --> 01:12:43.610 so it would be like at the top of my list, 01:12:43.610 --> 01:12:46.670 why don't we make them organic, right? 01:12:46.670 --> 01:12:48.800 So I mean that's one and then 01:12:48.800 --> 01:12:51.508 the second piece really is as 01:12:51.508 --> 01:12:54.570 the army in particular starts to modernize we 01:12:54.570 --> 01:12:55.750 know the surge 01:12:57.269 --> 01:12:59.600 and industrial support to a lot of these 01:12:59.600 --> 01:13:01.210 suppliers is gonna be quite high. 01:13:01.210 --> 01:13:03.550 In fact this predictability 01:13:03.550 --> 01:13:05.880 is another opportunity and I had 01:13:05.880 --> 01:13:07.980 just offered we'd be happy to work with 01:13:07.980 --> 01:13:10.090 Rock Island Arsenal to pursue 01:13:10.090 --> 01:13:12.850 but I think there are real opportunities 01:13:12.850 --> 01:13:14.140 in the future where we're not moving 01:13:14.140 --> 01:13:16.010 work from one place to another. 01:13:16.010 --> 01:13:18.224 It's really new work. 01:13:18.224 --> 01:13:19.057 - All right. 01:13:19.057 --> 01:13:20.290 I don't know, Mr Norquist or General 01:13:20.290 --> 01:13:22.267 if you have anything to add I 01:13:22.267 --> 01:13:24.210 would appreciate your thoughts on this as well. 01:13:24.210 --> 01:13:25.640 - Well I know that the army is paying 01:13:25.640 --> 01:13:27.810 particular attention to this as it affects 01:13:27.810 --> 01:13:29.940 the Rock Island arsenal with the up armor 01:13:29.940 --> 01:13:32.310 of the equipment transporter and other items 01:13:32.310 --> 01:13:34.330 but you raised a good point which is 01:13:34.330 --> 01:13:36.130 part of what drives the cost of 01:13:36.130 --> 01:13:37.480 each one of these organizations 01:13:37.480 --> 01:13:39.400 is what level do I staff to. 01:13:39.400 --> 01:13:41.000 What's the level of work load that's coming 01:13:41.000 --> 01:13:42.410 through my organization. 01:13:42.410 --> 01:13:43.890 When I visited a number of depos 01:13:43.890 --> 01:13:45.320 one of the questions I'd ask them is 01:13:45.320 --> 01:13:48.320 I'd say look we have these maintenance backlog issues, 01:13:48.320 --> 01:13:51.547 are you hiring up, are you addressing them. 01:13:51.547 --> 01:13:53.150 And part of their concern is 01:13:53.150 --> 01:13:55.870 well what's my funding gonna look like next year. 01:13:55.870 --> 01:13:56.960 When am I gonna receive it? 01:13:56.960 --> 01:13:59.120 And so when we talk about the point that 01:13:59.120 --> 01:14:01.150 Congressman Calvert raised about 01:14:01.150 --> 01:14:02.900 the budget on time, the CR and so forth, 01:14:02.900 --> 01:14:05.600 those consequences are not just at our level, 01:14:05.600 --> 01:14:07.360 they're down at each of those organizations 01:14:07.360 --> 01:14:09.890 who's trying to plan a level of workload 01:14:09.890 --> 01:14:11.270 that minimizes the cost. 01:14:11.270 --> 01:14:13.337 And so I think the army is working very carefully 01:14:13.337 --> 01:14:15.990 particular with Rock Island to be able to address that 01:14:15.990 --> 01:14:18.020 but as a department the stability 01:14:18.020 --> 01:14:20.650 of that information for those organizations 01:14:20.650 --> 01:14:22.850 allows them to operate at a much more 01:14:22.850 --> 01:14:24.590 efficient level and at a better cost. 01:14:24.590 --> 01:14:27.290 An that helps to protect the department and the country. 01:14:27.290 --> 01:14:28.950 - General anything to add? 01:14:28.950 --> 01:14:30.440 - I don't have anything to add on the issue. 01:14:30.440 --> 01:14:31.720 Thanks. - All right, great. 01:14:31.720 --> 01:14:33.470 Thank you, just one other question. 01:14:34.360 --> 01:14:37.560 Obviously it has been well established at this point 01:14:37.560 --> 01:14:40.780 that foreign entities willfully engaged in 01:14:40.780 --> 01:14:44.040 and meddled in our elections both in 2016 01:14:44.040 --> 01:14:46.690 and the 2018 elections. 01:14:46.690 --> 01:14:49.840 This is a clear threat to free and fair elections, 01:14:49.840 --> 01:14:52.900 a big concern I think to probably everybody 01:14:53.750 --> 01:14:54.640 sitting in front of you 01:14:54.640 --> 01:14:57.032 and certainly a big concern in our nation. 01:14:57.032 --> 01:15:00.600 Regardless of party or political creed 01:15:00.600 --> 01:15:03.080 this should be a basic position that we 01:15:03.080 --> 01:15:05.450 can all agree on that we need to make sure our 01:15:05.450 --> 01:15:07.640 elections are free and fair. 01:15:07.640 --> 01:15:09.650 It's my understanding that the U.S. cyber command 01:15:09.650 --> 01:15:11.720 has already established a track record 01:15:11.720 --> 01:15:13.150 of working to protect our election 01:15:13.150 --> 01:15:16.150 including disrupting internet access 01:15:16.150 --> 01:15:20.850 for Russian troll factories during the 2018 midterms. 01:15:20.850 --> 01:15:24.770 This budget requests 9.6 billion dollars 01:15:24.770 --> 01:15:27.200 to support increased cyber warfare capacity, 01:15:27.200 --> 01:15:29.210 both offensive and defensive to ensure 01:15:29.210 --> 01:15:31.200 we are protecting our country. 01:15:31.200 --> 01:15:32.130 Here's my question. 01:15:32.130 --> 01:15:34.690 Can you outline for our committee 01:15:34.690 --> 01:15:37.120 how this funding will grow capacity 01:15:37.120 --> 01:15:38.810 at the department to protect our 01:15:38.810 --> 01:15:40.560 country from further cyber threats 01:15:40.560 --> 01:15:42.260 and hacks from foreign adversaries 01:15:43.400 --> 01:15:46.220 and do you foresee this funding helping provide 01:15:46.220 --> 01:15:48.580 resources or capacity that could 01:15:48.580 --> 01:15:51.290 specifically help ensure free and fair elections? 01:15:51.290 --> 01:15:52.640 And maybe General we start with you 01:15:52.640 --> 01:15:54.840 and maybe to the Secretary. 01:15:54.840 --> 01:15:55.690 - Congresswoman I think what's 01:15:55.690 --> 01:15:57.800 a really important point is that 01:15:57.800 --> 01:16:00.705 probably prior to 2017 we viewed 01:16:00.705 --> 01:16:02.960 United States cyber command as 01:16:02.960 --> 01:16:05.690 a tool that was used for what we called an away game. 01:16:05.690 --> 01:16:09.100 A major policy shift that we made in 2017 01:16:09.100 --> 01:16:11.990 was to bring the full weight of 01:16:11.990 --> 01:16:14.070 the United States Cyber Com, the bear, 01:16:14.070 --> 01:16:16.520 in defending the most important thing to our nation 01:16:16.520 --> 01:16:18.620 which is our democratic process. 01:16:18.620 --> 01:16:21.300 And so you can't separate what 01:16:21.300 --> 01:16:23.740 cyber com does in protecting our elections. 01:16:23.740 --> 01:16:26.977 In other words in 2018 that was 01:16:26.977 --> 01:16:29.650 absolutely General Nakasone and the teams 01:16:29.650 --> 01:16:31.810 number one priority in the fall of 2018, 01:16:31.810 --> 01:16:33.560 and as you've suggested even in this venue 01:16:33.560 --> 01:16:36.760 we can say that they had some significant success. 01:16:36.760 --> 01:16:38.850 In the capabilities that they'll continue to develop 01:16:38.850 --> 01:16:40.772 will be brought to bear in 2020 and beyond 01:16:40.772 --> 01:16:43.100 just like there were in 2018. 01:16:43.100 --> 01:16:46.660 In support certainly of the primary organizations, 01:16:46.660 --> 01:16:49.665 domestic organization is responsible for elections 01:16:49.665 --> 01:16:51.290 but I can assure you that under 01:16:51.290 --> 01:16:53.872 the Secretary's leadership and his predecessor, 01:16:53.872 --> 01:16:56.000 Our approach was what's the most important 01:16:56.000 --> 01:16:57.370 thing right now to our country, 01:16:57.370 --> 01:16:58.410 defending our elections. 01:16:58.410 --> 01:16:59.890 What is United States Cyber Com 01:16:59.890 --> 01:17:00.950 number one priority? 01:17:00.950 --> 01:17:02.820 Defending our elections. 01:17:02.820 --> 01:17:03.693 - Mr Secretary? 01:17:06.855 --> 01:17:08.550 - I'll fairly echo what the Chairman has said. 01:17:08.550 --> 01:17:11.880 If we decompose the incremental 01:17:11.880 --> 01:17:14.060 9.6 billion dollars from the budget 01:17:14.060 --> 01:17:15.500 and we are in a classified setting 01:17:15.500 --> 01:17:18.920 I would walk you through program by program 01:17:18.920 --> 01:17:20.290 where that money is going. 01:17:20.290 --> 01:17:25.290 Last summer a host of us that would General Nakasone 01:17:26.650 --> 01:17:28.080 and over the course of four months 01:17:28.080 --> 01:17:30.471 we went through and said what are 01:17:30.471 --> 01:17:32.400 the future investments that need to be made 01:17:32.400 --> 01:17:34.630 to stay ahead of the threat, 01:17:34.630 --> 01:17:36.602 what are the capabilities so that we 01:17:36.602 --> 01:17:39.810 can get after new threats, 01:17:39.810 --> 01:17:41.840 and then where to we need more capacity 01:17:41.840 --> 01:17:44.763 so that we can grow this and address 01:17:44.763 --> 01:17:46.770 other areas in the department. 01:17:46.770 --> 01:17:50.530 So that's the level of detail 01:17:50.530 --> 01:17:52.030 that's within the budget but 01:17:53.098 --> 01:17:56.120 for a while they were being not starved 01:17:56.120 --> 01:17:58.380 but I think some of the attention 01:17:58.380 --> 01:18:00.750 being placed in recovering readiness 01:18:00.750 --> 01:18:01.950 had limited the growth. 01:18:01.950 --> 01:18:05.580 That's why this year it's over a 10 percent 01:18:05.580 --> 01:18:07.143 increase in their funding. 01:18:08.020 --> 01:18:09.430 - All right thank you Mr Chairman. 01:18:09.430 --> 01:18:10.263 I yield back. 01:18:13.242 --> 01:18:14.813 - Thank you Ms Chairman. 01:18:15.860 --> 01:18:18.470 We discussed a little bit and I'll 01:18:18.470 --> 01:18:20.675 pose this to anyone who wants to answer it 01:18:20.675 --> 01:18:21.930 at the table. 01:18:21.930 --> 01:18:24.570 But as you're well aware there's a 01:18:24.570 --> 01:18:28.830 significant difference between the FY 2020 01:18:28.830 --> 01:18:33.460 defense requested funding and the DCA caps 01:18:33.460 --> 01:18:35.133 if a new deal is not reached. 01:18:38.335 --> 01:18:40.126 And can you just discuss a little bit 01:18:40.126 --> 01:18:41.630 about how you see this would impact 01:18:41.630 --> 01:18:43.250 the department overall, 01:18:43.250 --> 01:18:45.600 and if there are any contingencies that you 01:18:45.600 --> 01:18:47.330 currently have in place today 01:18:47.330 --> 01:18:49.580 would address the funding discrepancy 01:18:49.580 --> 01:18:51.763 that we would see at such a magnitude? 01:18:53.390 --> 01:18:54.880 - So I think the core of your question is 01:18:54.880 --> 01:18:56.950 what's the effect of a return to sequestration 01:18:56.950 --> 01:18:58.610 - Right. - to the Department of Defense 01:18:58.610 --> 01:19:01.010 and I think the clear point is 01:19:01.010 --> 01:19:02.280 it would be catastrophic. 01:19:02.280 --> 01:19:03.680 The first thing you'd have is you'd 01:19:03.680 --> 01:19:05.670 have undone a significant amount 01:19:05.670 --> 01:19:07.410 of the readiness gain that this Congress 01:19:07.410 --> 01:19:11.010 and this administration has spent so long investing in. 01:19:11.010 --> 01:19:12.750 When you realize that you have hired about 01:19:12.750 --> 01:19:16.433 270,000 military personnel a year, 01:19:17.421 --> 01:19:18.440 reducing their training, that's a group 01:19:18.440 --> 01:19:21.521 that needs to go through, needs to get the same level of 01:19:21.521 --> 01:19:24.060 the basic and the advanced training. 01:19:24.060 --> 01:19:26.210 When that's disrupted there are consequences. 01:19:26.210 --> 01:19:28.650 We've seen improvement in the number of 01:19:28.650 --> 01:19:30.989 army brigade combat teams that are 01:19:30.989 --> 01:19:32.060 ready going from 18 to 28. 01:19:32.060 --> 01:19:33.840 You'd end up going backwards 01:19:33.840 --> 01:19:35.220 and you'd also have the very point 01:19:35.220 --> 01:19:37.757 that the Congresswoman over here raised 01:19:37.757 --> 01:19:38.900 which is the disruption to every depo, 01:19:38.900 --> 01:19:40.710 every installation, every organization 01:19:40.710 --> 01:19:42.980 that provides a service that counts on 01:19:42.980 --> 01:19:45.010 that level of stability to run 01:19:45.010 --> 01:19:47.460 a bontang so other things through the maintenance. 01:19:47.460 --> 01:19:49.360 Now all of a sudden getting a dramatically 01:19:49.360 --> 01:19:51.240 reduced order that they're still 01:19:51.240 --> 01:19:53.443 trying to manage the work force 01:19:53.443 --> 01:19:54.276 that was designed for a higher level. 01:19:54.276 --> 01:19:56.910 So I think it would be disruptive for readiness, 01:19:56.910 --> 01:19:59.510 it would be a major step back for 01:19:59.510 --> 01:20:02.030 our security and it would introduce cost into 01:20:02.030 --> 01:20:04.010 the system that are unnecessary. 01:20:04.010 --> 01:20:05.970 And I leave it at that unless 01:20:05.970 --> 01:20:08.370 the Chairman or Secretary wanna add in. 01:20:08.370 --> 01:20:09.740 - I would just 01:20:09.740 --> 01:20:12.130 make the point that it's a 25 percent cut 01:20:12.130 --> 01:20:14.250 and so it's not something you just 01:20:14.250 --> 01:20:16.340 do some belt tightening exercise on 01:20:16.340 --> 01:20:18.890 and at a macro level you either decide to 01:20:20.959 --> 01:20:23.110 invest in modernization, furlough quite a few people, 01:20:23.110 --> 01:20:25.460 and take a lot of risk in terms of security 01:20:28.017 --> 01:20:30.753 or maintain current force structure, 01:20:30.753 --> 01:20:32.080 and then forgo and invest in modernization. 01:20:32.080 --> 01:20:34.630 But it'd be a really in essence 01:20:34.630 --> 01:20:36.830 an undoing of the National Defense Strategy. 01:20:38.420 --> 01:20:40.100 - Congressman as we have the debate 01:20:40.100 --> 01:20:41.980 I think probably in simple terms 01:20:41.980 --> 01:20:44.950 we oughta look at it really in three categories. 01:20:44.950 --> 01:20:46.950 One is it's about the support we provide 01:20:46.950 --> 01:20:48.340 for our men and women in harms way 01:20:48.340 --> 01:20:49.750 that's gonna be impacted. 01:20:49.750 --> 01:20:52.700 Two is it's our ability to deter potential adversaries. 01:20:52.700 --> 01:20:54.097 That's where we're gonna see the impact. 01:20:54.097 --> 01:20:56.256 And three it's for our ability to 01:20:56.256 --> 01:20:57.089 respond if deterrence fails. 01:20:57.089 --> 01:20:59.400 So this is fundamental to our strategy. 01:20:59.400 --> 01:21:01.250 In other words, appropriate level to resourcing 01:21:01.250 --> 01:21:03.340 in this budget and the last two budgets 01:21:03.340 --> 01:21:05.400 have been directly and inextricably linked 01:21:05.400 --> 01:21:07.332 to our ability to execute the 01:21:07.332 --> 01:21:09.280 National Defense Strategy and sustain 01:21:10.785 --> 01:21:12.562 that competitive advantage I eluded to 01:21:12.562 --> 01:21:14.810 in my opening remarks. And I don't have any doubt that our 01:21:14.810 --> 01:21:17.870 competitive advantage will continue to erode 01:21:17.870 --> 01:21:20.220 and put at risk our ability to project power 01:21:20.220 --> 01:21:21.880 when and where necessary to advance our 01:21:21.880 --> 01:21:23.373 national interests in the future 01:21:23.373 --> 01:21:25.480 were we to go back to BCA. 01:21:25.480 --> 01:21:28.363 It's absolutely no question in my mind about that. 01:21:28.363 --> 01:21:29.460 - Thank you. 01:21:29.460 --> 01:21:31.430 Let me just shift gears just a second. 01:21:31.430 --> 01:21:34.440 It seems that after a meeting last December 01:21:34.440 --> 01:21:37.980 each of the service branch now has it's own 01:21:37.980 --> 01:21:40.430 hyper sonic offensive weapon program 01:21:41.350 --> 01:21:44.819 but we're waiting for new boosters to be developed. 01:21:44.819 --> 01:21:46.890 We have boosters already in production 01:21:46.890 --> 01:21:49.570 of a 50 inch size is my understanding. 01:21:49.570 --> 01:21:52.360 If there is a study that claims that 01:21:52.360 --> 01:21:55.356 these boosters are too expensive, 01:21:55.356 --> 01:21:58.950 could our office get some detailed information 01:21:58.950 --> 01:22:01.143 on that particular issue? 01:22:02.803 --> 01:22:05.690 And I think if possible it would be best 01:22:05.690 --> 01:22:08.660 to fill that limited number of weapons using 01:22:08.660 --> 01:22:10.043 what we have now. 01:22:10.920 --> 01:22:13.670 And my office has been in discussion with 01:22:15.020 --> 01:22:17.003 Dr Mike Griffith, with your office, 01:22:17.907 --> 01:22:19.360 and of course just encourage you to 01:22:19.360 --> 01:22:20.950 reach out to him because I think he 01:22:20.950 --> 01:22:22.450 has some real insight on that. 01:22:23.890 --> 01:22:25.097 - We'd be happy to do that, 01:22:25.097 --> 01:22:27.820 and as you know Dr Griffith is 01:22:27.820 --> 01:22:30.090 leading the effort to make sure that 01:22:30.090 --> 01:22:31.840 we leverage as much commonality 01:22:31.840 --> 01:22:34.270 between the three services in terms of 01:22:34.270 --> 01:22:36.480 bodies, boosters, energetics, you know, 01:22:36.480 --> 01:22:38.280 as many things as we can that'd be able to 01:22:38.280 --> 01:22:40.860 accelerate our deployment of hyper sonics. 01:22:40.860 --> 01:22:43.570 But we'd be happy to coordinate with your office. 01:22:43.570 --> 01:22:45.423 - All right, thank you I yield back. 01:22:47.280 --> 01:22:48.620 - Thank you Mr Chairman. 01:22:48.620 --> 01:22:50.780 Welcome Mr Secretary and Mr Norquist. 01:22:50.780 --> 01:22:53.410 And General Dunford thank you for your 01:22:53.410 --> 01:22:56.430 lifetime of service to the Marine Corps 01:22:56.430 --> 01:22:58.680 and to our country and to your fealty 01:22:58.680 --> 01:23:01.170 to the oath that you've taken. 01:23:01.170 --> 01:23:03.760 We respect your service very much. 01:23:03.760 --> 01:23:06.870 Secretary Shanahan, thank you so very much 01:23:06.870 --> 01:23:08.150 for your openness to meeting with 01:23:08.150 --> 01:23:10.200 members of this committee. 01:23:10.200 --> 01:23:12.660 On the issue of hyper sonics, 01:23:12.660 --> 01:23:15.270 could you please provide to us 01:23:15.270 --> 01:23:19.020 the future year defense plan for hyper sonic 01:23:19.020 --> 01:23:20.570 test chamber funding and the sites 01:23:20.570 --> 01:23:22.830 associated with future funding? 01:23:22.830 --> 01:23:24.810 The factors that were weighed in 01:23:24.810 --> 01:23:27.710 the selection of the three test tunnels? 01:23:27.710 --> 01:23:32.090 And also I understand that the department 01:23:32.090 --> 01:23:35.800 is willing to consider other sites that would be 01:23:35.800 --> 01:23:38.820 less expensive that are fully equipped. 01:23:38.820 --> 01:23:43.430 And prior to making final decisions. 01:23:43.430 --> 01:23:45.180 Is that my understanding? 01:23:46.990 --> 01:23:47.823 - I believe so. 01:23:47.823 --> 01:23:50.740 I've done some homework since you and I have met 01:23:50.740 --> 01:23:52.260 and the 01:23:53.780 --> 01:23:55.730 the basic selection criteria 01:23:55.730 --> 01:23:56.700 and determining where to do the 01:23:56.700 --> 01:24:00.770 hypersonic testing looks into existing capability 01:24:00.770 --> 01:24:03.432 whether it's moth balled or not. 01:24:03.432 --> 01:24:05.630 It'd be like the size of a wind tunnel 01:24:05.630 --> 01:24:07.980 or basic performance. 01:24:07.980 --> 01:24:11.010 Then there's existing infrastructure 01:24:11.010 --> 01:24:14.568 and then realism of being able to 01:24:14.568 --> 01:24:18.380 have a representation of what a 01:24:18.380 --> 01:24:20.460 flight environment would look like. 01:24:20.460 --> 01:24:24.000 I know that our team is gonna take 01:24:25.137 --> 01:24:27.950 a visit to Plum Brook, 01:24:27.950 --> 01:24:31.610 and maybe it's serendipity but it was actually this week 01:24:31.610 --> 01:24:36.420 so I know there's been some selections this year 01:24:36.420 --> 01:24:38.303 and there's ongoing studies in 20 01:24:38.303 --> 01:24:40.694 that exact funding I'd have to get back 01:24:40.694 --> 01:24:42.840 to you with. - All right I just thank you 01:24:42.840 --> 01:24:44.870 for the dialogue and your interest. 01:24:44.870 --> 01:24:46.690 Thank you so much. 01:24:46.690 --> 01:24:48.410 I wanted to ask General Dunford 01:24:48.410 --> 01:24:51.680 or any of the panelists what more 01:24:51.680 --> 01:24:54.920 can the United States and our free world allies 01:24:54.920 --> 01:24:56.910 do to gird Ukraine from the upcoming 01:24:56.910 --> 01:24:59.240 winter season against the possibility 01:24:59.240 --> 01:25:00.823 of Russia turning off the gas? 01:25:05.260 --> 01:25:07.520 - Congresswoman I can talk to what we're doing 01:25:07.520 --> 01:25:09.300 to help Ukraine defend itself, 01:25:09.300 --> 01:25:10.730 and I think you know we're providing 01:25:10.730 --> 01:25:12.490 defensive weapons and capability. 01:25:12.490 --> 01:25:14.930 We're also providing them cyber expertise. 01:25:14.930 --> 01:25:17.720 I don't have any details on exactly 01:25:17.720 --> 01:25:19.560 what we're doing or what we might do 01:25:19.560 --> 01:25:21.150 to help them with their fuel problem 01:25:21.150 --> 01:25:22.630 in the winter time. 01:25:22.630 --> 01:25:24.250 We can take that for the record 01:25:24.250 --> 01:25:25.300 and get back to you. 01:25:25.300 --> 01:25:26.990 - I would be very grateful for that. 01:25:26.990 --> 01:25:28.910 I'd like to know if there's any thinking 01:25:28.910 --> 01:25:31.640 anywhere along the lines regarding that. 01:25:31.640 --> 01:25:34.630 I also, General, in the budget that has been submitted, 01:25:34.630 --> 01:25:36.910 you specifically referred to the intrepid center 01:25:36.910 --> 01:25:39.270 which I am so impressed with. 01:25:39.270 --> 01:25:41.400 My question is are there additional funds 01:25:41.400 --> 01:25:43.460 in this budget to replicate that 01:25:43.460 --> 01:25:44.900 in other places in the country 01:25:44.900 --> 01:25:47.200 and again I have to speak for my region 01:25:47.200 --> 01:25:49.340 where we don't have big bases, 01:25:49.340 --> 01:25:52.520 we have guard and reserve who also come home 01:25:52.520 --> 01:25:55.630 who are wounded warriors including 01:25:55.630 --> 01:25:57.650 on behavioral side. 01:25:57.650 --> 01:25:58.650 Is there any funding? 01:25:58.650 --> 01:26:02.910 How does one replicate some of the superb 01:26:02.910 --> 01:26:05.280 work that's being done at the Intrepid Center 01:26:05.280 --> 01:26:07.059 and other places in the country? 01:26:07.059 --> 01:26:07.892 - I'll take the first crack it, Congresswoman. 01:26:07.892 --> 01:26:10.570 First thanks to some help, 01:26:10.570 --> 01:26:13.570 those are privately funded by the Fisher Foundation, 01:26:13.570 --> 01:26:15.460 so the actual infrastructure was 01:26:15.460 --> 01:26:17.810 provided to the Department of Defense. 01:26:17.810 --> 01:26:19.460 What you'll see in the budget of course 01:26:19.460 --> 01:26:22.130 is the funding for the medical support 01:26:22.130 --> 01:26:23.610 that goes into those facilities. 01:26:23.610 --> 01:26:25.167 And so we're always in a competition. 01:26:25.167 --> 01:26:27.380 The secretary spoke earlier but 01:26:27.380 --> 01:26:28.720 human capital for cyber, 01:26:28.720 --> 01:26:30.650 we're in a fight for human capital 01:26:30.650 --> 01:26:32.570 for some of the medical specialties 01:26:32.570 --> 01:26:34.160 that are necessary to field these 01:26:34.160 --> 01:26:37.470 multi-disciplinary medical facilities as well. 01:26:37.470 --> 01:26:40.823 And so in the budget we can get you the exact details. 01:26:41.871 --> 01:26:44.280 Where you see a request for medical support, 01:26:44.280 --> 01:26:46.470 a piece of that will be to support 01:26:46.470 --> 01:26:48.290 not only I used Anico but 01:26:48.290 --> 01:26:50.160 that's not the only multi-disciplinary approach. 01:26:50.160 --> 01:26:51.380 Each of the services has been 01:26:51.380 --> 01:26:53.770 moving in that direction in a comprehensive way 01:26:53.770 --> 01:26:55.057 over the last couple of years, 01:26:55.057 --> 01:26:56.557 and that's part of the budget. 01:27:02.140 --> 01:27:04.220 - I would just point out that nation wide 01:27:04.220 --> 01:27:08.360 we have a severe shortage of psychiatrists, over 100,000. 01:27:08.360 --> 01:27:10.740 And in the behavioral arena among 01:27:10.740 --> 01:27:14.013 advanced practice nurses and behavioral specialists, 01:27:14.013 --> 01:27:16.480 probably five times that much. 01:27:16.480 --> 01:27:19.160 Our chaplain chorus burned out my opinion 01:27:19.160 --> 01:27:22.940 and when we had the heads of West Point, 01:27:22.940 --> 01:27:26.490 Annapolis Air Force Academy before our subcommittee 01:27:26.490 --> 01:27:28.477 I was quite disappointed when I 01:27:28.477 --> 01:27:30.142 asked them the question when you recruit 01:27:30.142 --> 01:27:34.317 for young people to come in to the officer core, 01:27:34.317 --> 01:27:37.838 do you have a level of physicians, 01:27:37.838 --> 01:27:41.090 individuals who might be interested in medical careers? 01:27:41.090 --> 01:27:43.570 And I asked them how many each of them had graduated 01:27:43.570 --> 01:27:45.300 and the number was generally five or under. 01:27:45.300 --> 01:27:47.970 I was actually shocked at their 01:27:47.970 --> 01:27:50.680 lack of connectivity on this particular issue 01:27:50.680 --> 01:27:53.080 but also the responsibility that 01:27:53.080 --> 01:27:55.610 they might assist with. 01:27:55.610 --> 01:27:57.610 As we try to help the militaries. 01:27:57.610 --> 01:28:00.800 I just make you aware of that conversation. 01:28:00.800 --> 01:28:02.700 And finally though none of my 01:28:02.700 --> 01:28:03.960 colleagues may agree with me on this, 01:28:03.960 --> 01:28:06.460 I just wanted to express an opinion about our border. 01:28:06.460 --> 01:28:08.470 I live way at the northern border. 01:28:08.470 --> 01:28:09.870 But in terms of the southern border 01:28:09.870 --> 01:28:11.470 I think that what we are facing 01:28:11.470 --> 01:28:13.750 is a series of failed states. 01:28:13.750 --> 01:28:16.100 And people who are fleeing for reasons 01:28:16.100 --> 01:28:19.560 that the United States is not responsible for. 01:28:19.560 --> 01:28:22.360 After World War II, we threw the military 01:28:22.360 --> 01:28:23.820 and I am very uncomfortable with 01:28:23.820 --> 01:28:26.780 U.S. military deploying to our southern border, 01:28:26.780 --> 01:28:29.530 very very, that's a slippery slope. 01:28:29.530 --> 01:28:31.850 But there is some experience in the military 01:28:31.850 --> 01:28:33.990 with displaced persons camps. 01:28:33.990 --> 01:28:36.550 And if one looks at resettlement 01:28:36.550 --> 01:28:38.270 and the proper care of individuals, 01:28:38.270 --> 01:28:39.640 the military really does have some 01:28:39.640 --> 01:28:43.060 remarkable history on that in Europe. 01:28:43.060 --> 01:28:46.190 And I think that the United Nations 01:28:46.190 --> 01:28:48.720 through their resettlement programs, 01:28:48.720 --> 01:28:51.907 we need a diplomatic solution here. 01:28:51.907 --> 01:28:54.320 Not just a policing solution. 01:28:54.320 --> 01:28:56.190 And I don't see that developing 01:28:56.190 --> 01:28:58.400 and I think we could really do something remarkable 01:28:58.400 --> 01:28:59.990 working with our Canadian allies, 01:28:59.990 --> 01:29:03.699 with our Australian, Costa Rican, you name it. 01:29:03.699 --> 01:29:07.530 We could help people find safety 01:29:07.530 --> 01:29:10.240 and I don't see that happening. 01:29:10.240 --> 01:29:12.880 I see a lot of political argument and all the rest, 01:29:12.880 --> 01:29:16.750 and the human side of this is getting lost. 01:29:16.750 --> 01:29:19.560 But maybe the military, based on it's experience 01:29:19.560 --> 01:29:21.610 with large numbers of people 01:29:21.610 --> 01:29:25.564 who were displaced for reasons dealing with war, 01:29:25.564 --> 01:29:29.800 the world was transformed by that moment 01:29:29.800 --> 01:29:32.160 and I think there's some history there 01:29:32.160 --> 01:29:33.340 that needs to be relearned. 01:29:33.340 --> 01:29:34.670 So I just wanted to state that, 01:29:34.670 --> 01:29:37.203 and I thank you for your testimony this morning.