WEBVTT 00:00.260 --> 00:01.410 - Okay, it's mic'ed up. 00:01.960 --> 00:05.900 So good afternoon everybody and I appreciate you coming. 00:05.900 --> 00:08.880 I had this, I don't wanna call it a fantasy, 00:08.880 --> 00:11.120 but I had this thought that the last brief 00:11.120 --> 00:14.093 on the last day, that it wouldn't be much of a turn out, 00:15.050 --> 00:17.230 but I appreciate those of you that are here 00:17.230 --> 00:21.513 and are interested in this portfolio, in this effort, 00:23.463 --> 00:26.783 and I'm often asked what it means to be the, 00:27.010 --> 00:29.583 to be the number one priority for modernization, 00:30.140 --> 00:32.700 and in a practical sense, it means that we've gotten 00:32.700 --> 00:36.300 a lot of resources that have been, you know, 00:36.300 --> 00:39.363 turned our way to achieve the modernization goals. 00:40.320 --> 00:41.690 And then to take that another level, 00:41.690 --> 00:44.530 it also comes with the recognition that in order to do that, 00:44.530 --> 00:47.520 some very tough choices were made across the Army 00:47.770 --> 00:51.160 and so the celebration of being the number one priority 00:51.160 --> 00:53.810 ends pretty quickly when you're sobered by the idea 00:53.810 --> 00:56.830 that now we've gotta deliver, that our army 00:56.830 --> 00:59.550 and our nation has invested a lot in this effort 00:59.690 --> 01:04.690 and so I'm really relieved, being relatively new in this job 01:04.990 --> 01:08.770 to have some really talented teammates and these three 01:08.770 --> 01:12.100 are representative of a much larger organization 01:12.100 --> 01:16.200 that's spread out over about five different locations and 01:17.800 --> 01:21.520 we'll get a chance for them to offer a few 01:22.660 --> 01:25.950 examples of what the efforts of the Cross-Functional Team 01:25.950 --> 01:28.960 have delivered already and then we'll keep 01:28.960 --> 01:31.560 all our remarks pretty short to turn this into 01:31.560 --> 01:35.663 more of a discussion and question and answer session. 01:36.040 --> 01:40.310 So the first thing I'll offer is that when I arrived 01:40.310 --> 01:42.563 out to Fort Sill about two months ago, 01:43.060 --> 01:45.360 one of the first things that I did was sit down with 01:45.360 --> 01:47.833 the Fires and Field Artillery Concepts Team, 01:48.310 --> 01:50.680 out of the Fire Center of Excellence 01:51.140 --> 01:53.210 and I wanted to really to make sure that one, 01:53.210 --> 01:55.670 I understood where the Army was going with 01:55.670 --> 01:59.023 multi-domain operations, but more importantly, 01:59.470 --> 02:04.470 to understand where we were going with long-range 02:04.510 --> 02:07.793 precision fires in the context of multi-domain operations, 02:08.790 --> 02:12.510 because we have to be nested, maybe more than any of 02:12.510 --> 02:16.285 the other CFT efforts and the reason why I say that 02:16.285 --> 02:19.950 is because what we're doing answers the fundamental 02:19.950 --> 02:22.270 question of multi-domain operations, 02:22.270 --> 02:24.253 which is a question of access. 02:24.860 --> 02:27.960 And so our whole purpose is to enable 02:27.960 --> 02:31.750 the penetration and disintegration of enemy 02:32.430 --> 02:34.593 anti-access and area denial systems. 02:34.940 --> 02:38.290 We achieved that by developing systems that ensure 02:38.290 --> 02:41.713 over-match in range and lethality at echelon, 02:42.120 --> 02:45.083 from strategic fires all the way to the tactical fires. 02:45.480 --> 02:49.783 At the strategic level, we're enabling the joint force, 02:50.450 --> 02:53.290 I said by penetrating and disintegrating 02:53.290 --> 02:54.853 the enemy A2AD Network. 02:55.980 --> 02:59.043 And we'll do that with two systems. 03:00.060 --> 03:03.730 We're in support of the Space and Missile Defense Command's 03:03.730 --> 03:06.540 pursuit of the long-range hypersonic weapon 03:07.370 --> 03:10.020 and we'll help by developing the operational concept. 03:10.620 --> 03:15.620 We'll help by doing all the DOTMLPF, sorry for the acronym, 03:16.290 --> 03:19.320 the DOTMLPF work, but essentially what we're gonna do 03:19.320 --> 03:22.030 is make sure that when that weapon system is ready to go, 03:22.030 --> 03:24.203 that there're soldiers trained and ready, 03:24.570 --> 03:27.260 there's a mission command structure and fire control 03:27.260 --> 03:29.950 framework that's in place so as soon as it's ready 03:29.950 --> 03:31.960 and painted green, it's in the field, 03:31.960 --> 03:35.830 operated by US Army soldiers and it's achieving 03:35.830 --> 03:38.393 its deterrent effect immediately. 03:39.850 --> 03:43.600 The second half of the strategic portfolio 03:43.630 --> 03:46.450 involves the development of a technology demonstration 03:46.690 --> 03:48.823 of a strategic long-range cannon. 03:50.190 --> 03:52.630 And the reason for having these two systems 03:53.170 --> 03:56.630 is really pretty clear when you evaluate the target set 03:57.330 --> 04:00.640 of the A2AD systems and what you'll realize is 04:00.640 --> 04:05.563 that's a mixture of very heavily defended, fortified, 04:05.590 --> 04:08.453 strategic infrastructure and C2 sites, 04:08.810 --> 04:13.573 as well as a combination of road-mobile tells, 04:13.940 --> 04:18.013 radars and other lighter-skinned, more area targets. 04:18.320 --> 04:20.910 And so in order to achieve the disintegration 04:20.910 --> 04:25.063 and penetration effect that we, that we'll achieve, 04:26.070 --> 04:27.873 we need to have a mix of effects. 04:27.910 --> 04:32.370 So exquisite, very expensive, hypersonic missiles 04:32.790 --> 04:35.350 with tremendous kinetic effects on the strategic 04:35.350 --> 04:37.300 infrastructure and the hardened targets 04:37.840 --> 04:41.690 and then a volume of more affordable cannon projectiles 04:42.160 --> 04:44.260 at those targets, the aspects of the targets, 04:44.260 --> 04:48.113 that are lighter defended and more road-mobile. 04:49.490 --> 04:52.640 So that's the framework for the strategic end 04:52.640 --> 04:54.750 of the portfolio and I'll quickly move through 04:54.750 --> 04:57.300 the rest of it and turn it over to these gentlemen, 04:57.560 --> 05:01.850 but at the operational level, we're replacing ATACMS 05:02.422 --> 05:05.540 with a far more capable missile called a Precision 05:05.540 --> 05:08.140 Strike Missile that's already a program of record 05:08.140 --> 05:11.090 that's moving along and Chris Mills here 05:11.090 --> 05:12.930 will describe what we've done to accelerate that 05:12.930 --> 05:14.990 and pull it to the left and so the CFT 05:14.990 --> 05:16.803 is really focused on the spirals. 05:17.060 --> 05:21.030 So we'll deliver an urgent materiel release of these 05:21.030 --> 05:26.013 missiles in late 2022, early 2023, 05:26.550 --> 05:30.243 and then immediately we need to begin to field the next, 05:30.260 --> 05:32.963 the spirals that'll give us cross-domain capability, 05:33.040 --> 05:35.240 that'll give us loiter ammunition type capabilities, 05:35.240 --> 05:38.813 centrifuge capability and so that's really what the CFT, 05:39.093 --> 05:41.313 in terms of my focus on the PRISM Missiles, 05:41.410 --> 05:43.163 is about the spirals. 05:43.390 --> 05:45.423 And then lastly, at the tactical level, 05:46.130 --> 05:47.896 if, in order to understand what they're doing, 05:47.896 --> 05:50.696 it might be easy to start with what we've got right now. 05:51.070 --> 05:53.963 So if you look at our current Self-Propelled Howitzer, 05:54.440 --> 05:59.243 with a 39 caliber length tube, 155 millimeter bore diameter, 06:00.220 --> 06:02.333 that's the current Paladin. 06:03.120 --> 06:06.760 And if you're here, you're probably aware of 06:06.760 --> 06:08.530 the PIM program that's going on right now, 06:08.530 --> 06:11.573 which is this chasse upgrade to the Paladin. 06:12.580 --> 06:16.330 So the ERCA Program, if, so if... 06:17.020 --> 06:19.373 If PIM is the chasse upgrade for Paladin, 06:19.670 --> 06:23.290 then ERCA is the turret upgrade for PIM 06:23.630 --> 06:25.350 and so at the end of it, from the muzzle break 06:25.350 --> 06:27.853 to the track pads, it's a new Howitzer, 06:28.470 --> 06:30.210 probably featuring a much longer gun tube, 06:30.210 --> 06:31.723 a 58 caliber length tube, 06:32.250 --> 06:36.830 a redesigned chamber and breach that'll be able to withstand 06:37.907 --> 06:41.513 the gun pressures to get out to 70 kilometers in range, 06:42.770 --> 06:46.790 but the thing about ERCA is that, maybe makes it more 06:46.790 --> 06:49.190 complicated than the others, is that it's as much 06:49.190 --> 06:51.600 about the ammunition as it is about the armament. 06:51.600 --> 06:53.580 We can't take our current family of projectiles 06:53.580 --> 06:56.130 and shoot them 70 kilometers, they're not designed for it. 06:56.130 --> 06:59.520 They won't withstand the bore, those chamber pressures 06:59.520 --> 07:03.660 and others so it involves building the next set 07:03.660 --> 07:07.200 of projectiles that'll get out to 70 kilometers 07:07.420 --> 07:08.713 and then far beyond. 07:09.170 --> 07:11.700 So that's what we're doing in the Cross-Functional Team 07:11.700 --> 07:15.740 is that we're, the T is really important, 07:15.740 --> 07:19.550 because like I said, we've got a lot in the portfolio 07:19.790 --> 07:21.280 and we're working very closely. 07:21.280 --> 07:25.940 I feel as much like I'm on the RDECOM and ARDEC 07:25.940 --> 07:28.353 and AMRDEC teams as much as I feel, 07:28.590 --> 07:30.590 as these guys feel like they're on mine. 07:30.946 --> 07:34.980 And so it's, even as, and I'm not just saying that 07:34.980 --> 07:37.200 cause General Murray's here, but even as 07:37.200 --> 07:42.063 Army Future's Command is standing up, the ideas that it, 07:42.090 --> 07:45.370 you know, that it aspires to put into practice, 07:45.370 --> 07:48.980 are really already, you know, happening. 07:48.980 --> 07:53.980 So that's kind of a fundamental theme in this effort 07:54.290 --> 07:57.640 for modernization is we can't be sequential 07:57.640 --> 07:59.003 in our approach anymore. 07:59.310 --> 08:01.760 We have to work in parallel every chance, 08:01.760 --> 08:05.440 so we'll work development of prototypes, 08:05.440 --> 08:06.740 at the same time we're, you know, 08:06.740 --> 08:10.683 we're reaching the, developing the technology demonstrator. 08:11.360 --> 08:14.863 So I'll now turn it over to Chris Mills. 08:14.940 --> 08:16.210 And each one of these guys delivers to us 08:16.210 --> 08:19.630 some practical examples of how we've started to move faster 08:19.850 --> 08:22.463 and then we'll be happy to take any of your questions. 08:24.370 --> 08:26.403 - So good afternoon. 08:26.830 --> 08:29.350 I'm Colonel Chris Mills, I'm the PM for 08:29.430 --> 08:31.580 Precision Fires Rocket and Missile Systems, 08:32.630 --> 08:35.494 but today and most every day, 08:35.494 --> 08:40.494 my main duty is associated with being the missile rep for 08:42.320 --> 08:45.170 the Cross-Functional Team for long-range precision fires. 08:46.690 --> 08:48.510 What I wanted to talk to you today was about 08:48.510 --> 08:51.370 the middle line of effort, which is operational fires 08:51.630 --> 08:55.273 and that's focused on the Precision Strike Missile, 08:55.340 --> 08:58.253 which is an operational fires missile. 09:00.120 --> 09:03.580 One thing that confuses people a lot of the time 09:03.580 --> 09:07.370 is originally this missile was called the 09:07.370 --> 09:09.090 Long Range Precision Fires Missile 09:09.690 --> 09:13.273 and there was some degree of confusion about the, 09:14.260 --> 09:16.840 that name because there's a capability called 09:17.210 --> 09:18.803 the Long Range Precision Fires, 09:18.900 --> 09:21.823 there's a CFT called Long Range Precision Fires, 09:22.080 --> 09:23.800 so it was creating confusion, 09:23.800 --> 09:28.773 so leadership said we need to undo that confusion, 09:28.810 --> 09:32.283 so we changed the name to Precision Strike Missile 09:32.283 --> 09:35.283 and you'll hear it referred to as PRISM. 09:36.140 --> 09:38.563 So PRISM's a surface-to-surface missile system, 09:38.563 --> 09:43.003 it's a replacement for ATACMS, but it's more than that. 09:43.740 --> 09:46.090 As Colonel Rafferty mentioned, it allows us the 09:47.500 --> 09:51.963 cross-domain maneuver that we need in an A2AD environment, 09:52.410 --> 09:54.760 suppression of enemy air defense, 09:54.760 --> 09:57.723 as well as gives us the standoff that we need. 10:00.380 --> 10:04.170 So this system is fired from existing launchers, 10:04.170 --> 10:06.350 the M270A1 Track Launcher, 10:06.350 --> 10:08.800 as well as the HIMARS Wheeled Launcher 10:10.570 --> 10:15.210 and as far as the requirements and what we're looking at, 10:15.210 --> 10:19.030 as far as the design, range is paramount 10:19.130 --> 10:22.923 in that A2AD environment, so we're focused on range, 10:23.180 --> 10:26.540 but it's not just range, it's about lethality 10:27.250 --> 10:30.573 and probably just as much, it's important, 10:31.770 --> 10:34.503 in this design we have two missiles per pod, 10:34.720 --> 10:37.500 so that essentially doubles your firing power 10:37.500 --> 10:42.083 per launcher and essentially per battalion, 10:42.380 --> 10:46.210 but it also reduces your logistical burden 10:46.210 --> 10:49.093 and your transportation burden for that system. 10:49.970 --> 10:53.530 And finally, how we link in with the CFT 10:54.690 --> 10:56.307 is in growth potential. 10:56.307 --> 10:59.370 This system will give you the growth potential 10:59.770 --> 11:02.423 to spiral in additional capabilities. 11:02.820 --> 11:04.967 And as Colonel Rafferty mentioned, what we're focused on 11:04.967 --> 11:07.913 is we're building the baseline missile right now, 11:08.440 --> 11:10.730 but we're already planning and working with 11:10.730 --> 11:13.430 the science and technology communities 11:13.660 --> 11:17.363 in order to spiral in future capabilities 11:17.363 --> 11:21.240 to address gaps and areas we want to focus 11:21.870 --> 11:24.103 our fires portfolio in. 11:25.250 --> 11:29.710 So the system, the program started in earnest in 2017, 11:31.480 --> 11:34.550 with two contractors developing prototypes 11:34.760 --> 11:37.373 and at this point we're, the contractors are, 11:38.150 --> 11:40.730 they're at a point where they're testing components, 11:40.730 --> 11:43.670 they've about finalized their designs 11:43.840 --> 11:48.223 and we're looking at a flight test in less than a year now, 11:48.230 --> 11:50.133 of the Precision Strike Missile. 11:52.302 --> 11:54.240 There're several things that we've been focusing on, 11:54.240 --> 11:59.240 with the contractors, one is to get the design right early, 11:59.750 --> 12:02.013 because we don't wanna rush to failure, 12:04.000 --> 12:06.490 but then the second thing is accelerated 12:06.490 --> 12:11.490 at every opportunity, so as we go forward, 12:13.530 --> 12:17.253 we have a, uh, 12:18.390 --> 12:20.190 as Colonel Rafferty mentioned, 12:20.190 --> 12:23.680 we're planning on a early operational capability 12:23.680 --> 12:28.563 in the FY23 timeframe, late calendar year '22, 12:29.740 --> 12:32.560 and then we're gonna start looking at what can be done, 12:32.560 --> 12:34.633 as far as additional capabilities. 12:35.040 --> 12:37.490 That's the third thing we've been telling the contractors: 12:37.490 --> 12:39.550 we need an open systems architecture 12:39.780 --> 12:43.950 and we need to be able, have the size, weight and power 12:43.950 --> 12:47.600 in the missile systems to spiral in additional capabilities 12:49.641 --> 12:54.477 and so those capabilities can cover a gamut of capabilities: 12:55.860 --> 12:59.500 improved propulsion, improved navigation, 12:59.500 --> 13:03.363 especially in a GPS degraded or denied environment. 13:04.540 --> 13:08.313 It could include other payloads, 13:08.530 --> 13:11.600 sensor-seeker options that allow us to hit 13:11.600 --> 13:16.073 moving or moved targets and then other warhead options, 13:16.240 --> 13:20.920 potentially against armor or potentially deploy 13:20.920 --> 13:25.600 ISR assets so we're continuing to work with the 13:25.600 --> 13:29.283 S and T community and we've talked with industry through, 13:30.840 --> 13:33.740 over the last couple days and over the last several months 13:33.910 --> 13:36.030 to understand the state of technology, 13:36.030 --> 13:39.513 as far as spiraling in those capabilities. 13:40.910 --> 13:42.980 From my perspective, we're talk, 13:42.980 --> 13:45.823 as far as successes in how the CFT has helped, 13:47.040 --> 13:49.853 it's been pretty significant in several ways, 13:49.890 --> 13:53.940 I'll say in one way that the CFT has allowed us 13:53.940 --> 13:56.264 to accelerate the program and they've done that 13:56.264 --> 14:00.420 by helping us align funding, not just for 14:00.420 --> 14:03.550 the baseline missile, but for science and technology 14:03.550 --> 14:06.613 to feed into the missile. 14:07.610 --> 14:10.040 It's also helped with requirements definition 14:10.040 --> 14:14.350 and getting requirements validated and out the door 14:14.690 --> 14:16.610 more quickly because sometimes that process 14:16.610 --> 14:18.663 takes longer than it probably should. 14:19.490 --> 14:23.280 And finally, we've got test team members 14:23.280 --> 14:26.600 that are part of the CFT and they've allowed us 14:26.600 --> 14:30.820 to do our testing more efficiently and not over test 14:30.820 --> 14:35.363 the system, so those are kind of some success stories that, 14:35.787 --> 14:39.083 and the way I see the CFT has been a positive, 14:40.770 --> 14:43.373 has been positive to the PRISM program. 14:46.140 --> 14:50.003 With that, I'd like to turn it over to Will McDonough. 14:51.380 --> 14:53.310 - Thanks Chris, thanks for coming out. 14:53.310 --> 14:55.753 Like Colony Rafferty said, we thought this might 14:55.753 --> 14:59.010 have been a ghost town by this point of time, 14:59.010 --> 15:02.053 and it's obviously not, but thanks for all of your interest. 15:02.300 --> 15:05.170 I do only plan on taking about four to five minutes 15:05.170 --> 15:07.450 and cover what we're doing with extended range 15:07.450 --> 15:09.590 cannon artillery and then I'll turn it over to 15:09.590 --> 15:11.870 my partner in crime, Mike George here, 15:11.870 --> 15:15.283 who's also a Picatinny member. 15:16.010 --> 15:17.260 So yeah, I'm Will McDonough. 15:17.260 --> 15:19.830 I make the cannon ammunition, our team makes 15:19.830 --> 15:22.663 the cannon ammunition Precision Guidance Kit, Excalibur. 15:23.010 --> 15:25.230 All the mortar systems that the Army employs, 15:25.230 --> 15:27.880 and then also the mortar ammo and so I'm the ammo guy 15:28.000 --> 15:30.343 and I'm pleased to be a part of the team. 15:30.800 --> 15:32.680 We make the propulsion systems, 15:32.680 --> 15:35.310 we make the propellant and what that has highlighted 15:35.310 --> 15:38.060 for us is the interfaces, the technical interfaces, 15:38.060 --> 15:40.560 are really important, but above all of that are the 15:40.560 --> 15:43.430 relationships between the different army organizations 15:43.960 --> 15:46.370 that have historically just not delivered capability 15:46.370 --> 15:49.780 when it's needed and I think it's just maybe my 15:49.780 --> 15:51.880 Catholic upbringing, but the sooner you confess 15:51.880 --> 15:53.437 for something, the sooner you can move past it, 15:53.437 --> 15:55.760 and you agree that, you know, our success 15:55.760 --> 15:57.893 has not been high enough. 15:58.200 --> 16:00.250 Some will say it's like being a Jets fan, 16:00.830 --> 16:02.437 every year the Jets sit around and they're like, 16:02.437 --> 16:03.880 "oh, we almost won the Super Bowl." 16:03.880 --> 16:06.320 No, you were nowhere close to winning the Super Bowl, 16:06.320 --> 16:08.410 so just accept that we've got some issues 16:08.410 --> 16:10.410 and this has been an incredible forum for us 16:10.410 --> 16:11.960 to put the issues on the table, 16:12.370 --> 16:14.493 pin responsibility down and move forward. 16:14.630 --> 16:16.680 Extended Range Cannon Artillery, and Colonel Rafferty 16:16.680 --> 16:20.113 covered it, we've got a 39 caliber system right now. 16:20.440 --> 16:21.650 I'd like to turn that and say, no, 16:21.650 --> 16:23.883 we've got a 39 caliber problem right now. 16:24.300 --> 16:26.900 I was a part of the Heavy Brigade Combat Team, 16:26.900 --> 16:29.913 PM office, when Paladin PIM became a real big priority. 16:30.210 --> 16:32.600 The Army accelerated it and the Army's getting 16:32.740 --> 16:34.860 what it asked for several years ago 16:35.180 --> 16:36.660 and it's gonna be a viable platform 16:36.660 --> 16:39.020 that we can upgrade more capability on. 16:39.020 --> 16:42.090 The focus was on survivability, we were there 16:42.090 --> 16:43.910 and we invested tens of billions of dollars 16:43.910 --> 16:47.710 in survivability during OIF and now we're investing 16:47.710 --> 16:52.163 a lot of money into lethality, we're going on the offensive. 16:52.320 --> 16:53.940 I'll highlight a couple of different programs 16:53.940 --> 16:55.680 that I think are innovative in the ways 16:55.680 --> 16:58.030 that we are getting after lethality and then I'll 16:58.030 --> 17:00.190 turn it over to Mike George after a couple of comments 17:00.190 --> 17:02.223 on why Mike and I are on the same sheet. 17:03.360 --> 17:04.933 Two innovative products we're doing: 17:04.933 --> 17:07.840 XM1113 is the new replacement 17:08.420 --> 17:10.483 rocket-assisted projectile round. 17:10.880 --> 17:14.210 The fact is the Army came out of production of the 549A1 17:14.210 --> 17:17.793 in 1989, we're 30 years after that point in time. 17:18.410 --> 17:19.800 30 years is a long time. 17:19.800 --> 17:22.623 We are gonna go back into production on a wrap-around. 17:22.930 --> 17:26.800 It's gonna have 20% more impulse than the wrap-around had 17:27.420 --> 17:28.960 and so I look at that and say, okay, wow, 17:28.960 --> 17:31.393 we've moved the bar 20% in 30 years. 17:31.950 --> 17:34.440 Obviously not acceptable, but we're gonna get 17:34.440 --> 17:36.300 a 40 kilometer capability and we've shot it 17:36.300 --> 17:38.200 out of the 58 caliber system and we've put 17:38.200 --> 17:41.290 holes in the ground in Yuma out to 62 kilometers 17:41.550 --> 17:42.930 and with the Yuma improvements that'll 17:42.930 --> 17:45.520 take place in the next FY, we'll put holes 17:45.520 --> 17:47.303 in the ground out to 70 kilometers. 17:47.700 --> 17:49.430 So one of the things that our leadership has been 17:49.430 --> 17:51.603 adamant about is don't talk about range, 17:52.040 --> 17:54.730 show range, shoot range and then you can talk about it, 17:54.730 --> 17:57.230 but if you haven't put a hole in the ground in the desert, 17:57.230 --> 17:59.130 don't advertise that you can go do it. 17:59.200 --> 18:01.963 And so we've shot Excalibur out to 62 kilometers, 18:02.140 --> 18:05.270 missed by two meters twice a week ago Saturday, 18:05.270 --> 18:06.283 that's successful. 18:06.610 --> 18:08.463 And we've shot the XM1113, 18:08.610 --> 18:11.003 we're gonna continue to test the XM1113. 18:11.020 --> 18:13.943 We've fired it about 51, 52 times. 18:14.810 --> 18:16.430 I'll highlight that point because the first 18:16.430 --> 18:18.870 51 or 52 were great and then we had 18:18.870 --> 18:20.673 a projectile come apart in midair. 18:21.110 --> 18:23.620 In previous regimes of acquisition reform, 18:23.620 --> 18:24.790 this would have been a bad deal, 18:24.790 --> 18:27.720 it would have been a failure, had it been post milestone B, 18:27.720 --> 18:29.570 we would have had a breach of the program, 18:29.570 --> 18:32.303 it'd've been a failed program or at least an ugly sight. 18:32.380 --> 18:34.513 Now, we shot before MDD. 18:35.200 --> 18:38.810 We shot through the S and T program with a CFT support 18:38.920 --> 18:42.040 with eyes-on before the materiel development decision, 18:42.040 --> 18:44.823 so I think this is an example of moving learning left. 18:45.470 --> 18:49.063 I don't think we can go too far further left, 18:49.280 --> 18:51.853 but we are definitely moving learning to the left. 18:52.290 --> 18:54.450 Okay, so the projectile comes apart midair, 18:54.450 --> 18:56.420 everyone looks at it, we've figure out why, 18:56.420 --> 18:59.120 we go back in, we prove out that we've got that fixed. 18:59.120 --> 19:01.540 We had a great breakfast with a couple of companies 19:01.540 --> 19:04.123 yesterday that are gonna go right into production. 19:04.550 --> 19:06.400 Some of those are not hard decisions. 19:07.170 --> 19:09.880 We have a contractor that runs Scranton, 19:09.880 --> 19:11.610 the Scranton Army Ammunition Plant, 19:11.610 --> 19:13.110 we're gonna workload Scranton. 19:13.230 --> 19:16.460 We have a company that runs that Iowa LAP facility, 19:16.460 --> 19:18.310 the Load, Assemble and Pack facility, 19:18.560 --> 19:21.003 they're gonna LAP 1113. 19:21.530 --> 19:24.090 We've got a company that makes rocket grains, right? 19:24.090 --> 19:26.540 We used to have an entire army ammunition's plant, 19:26.540 --> 19:29.433 Joliet, used to make rocket grains and base bleeds, 19:29.860 --> 19:32.530 that got shut down so the market for the rockets 19:32.530 --> 19:34.530 are pretty small, but they're turned on. 19:34.760 --> 19:37.020 So yesterday the contractors at the highest levels 19:37.020 --> 19:39.330 understand not only are we gonna do 1113, 19:39.330 --> 19:41.640 but we're gonna deliver it faster and we're gonna have 19:41.640 --> 19:43.310 Precision Guidance Kit work with it 19:43.310 --> 19:45.330 and it's gonna achieve about 20 meter miss 19:45.330 --> 19:48.080 out to 40 kilometers out a 39 caliber system 19:48.430 --> 19:50.020 and then we're gonna deliver 70 kilometers 19:50.020 --> 19:51.613 out of the 58 caliber system. 19:52.300 --> 19:55.250 So that I think is innovative from a technology standpoint. 19:55.380 --> 19:57.640 I would also highlight that what the CFT has allowed us 19:57.640 --> 20:01.050 to do, also with the Army staff, is when there's innovation 20:01.050 --> 20:04.053 that needs to take place, of a non-technical nature, 20:04.180 --> 20:06.470 we should also be innovative and so I highlight 20:06.470 --> 20:08.170 that the Bonus Smart Sub-munition, 20:08.940 --> 20:11.433 the bonus munition we have already bought. 20:11.630 --> 20:16.393 It'll go into inventory in Europe in January of 2019. 20:16.990 --> 20:21.390 In January 2019, now it might not make a lot of sense 20:21.390 --> 20:23.290 to this community, but I would highlight that 20:23.290 --> 20:27.103 we got our money in May and so for nine months, 20:27.210 --> 20:30.210 you put a company on contract, you develop the 20:30.210 --> 20:32.700 production facility, you finalize the production facility, 20:32.700 --> 20:35.580 and you deliver ammunition, that's a pretty rapid turn 20:35.580 --> 20:37.610 and there's an innovation level there that takes place 20:37.610 --> 20:40.453 that's not technical, it's more business management, 20:40.462 --> 20:44.280 it's acquisition needs, it's a matter of working with 20:44.290 --> 20:46.390 the stakeholders that do the funding piece 20:46.460 --> 20:48.760 and I think nine months is a pretty good turn. 20:49.420 --> 20:51.690 So last point I will make is I think what the CFT 20:51.690 --> 20:54.913 has allowed us to do is to make sure that there's no seams. 20:55.080 --> 20:57.640 So Chris Mills runs the rocket missile stuff, 20:57.640 --> 21:00.303 Mike George runs the S and T side for the CFT. 21:01.000 --> 21:02.520 There used to be this phrase, you know, 21:02.520 --> 21:04.270 the Valley of Death, everybody's gotta we worried 21:04.270 --> 21:05.570 about the Valley of Death. 21:05.930 --> 21:07.530 And I took a look at that and I said it's not really 21:07.530 --> 21:09.770 the Valley of Death, the valley is a nice, 21:09.770 --> 21:11.670 natural terrain feature that you 21:11.670 --> 21:13.253 look at and everyone admires. 21:13.420 --> 21:14.950 Picatinny, Picatinny's in a valley, 21:14.950 --> 21:16.840 it's a beautiful valley and everyone looks at the valley, 21:16.840 --> 21:19.183 it's a beautiful valley, we like to admire the valley. 21:19.220 --> 21:21.210 No, what we've been facing is a Ditch of Death 21:21.210 --> 21:23.903 that different parts of the Army dig deliberately. 21:24.320 --> 21:26.160 Whether it's the S and T community that maybe 21:26.160 --> 21:28.440 got a little cheap on the science and technology side 21:28.440 --> 21:29.620 and didn't want to buy down risk 21:29.620 --> 21:32.691 or the PMs on the other side that didn't want to accelerate 21:32.691 --> 21:35.593 at the right pace and we rushed to milestone B. 21:35.620 --> 21:37.883 With the XM1113, how we had that failure, 21:38.520 --> 21:39.720 we would've had a broken program, 21:39.720 --> 21:41.920 or at least a program that had an ugly start 21:42.090 --> 21:44.120 and so one of the benefits of the CFT is 21:44.290 --> 21:46.250 you've got the science and technology guy 21:46.250 --> 21:47.800 and you've got the program manager 21:47.800 --> 21:50.300 and then the adult leadership provided by Colonel Rafferty 21:50.300 --> 21:52.290 to make sure that all the parts are playing well 21:52.290 --> 21:53.550 and then when we go to the POM review, 21:53.550 --> 21:56.683 if it doesn't fit in the Army's modernization strategy, 21:56.880 --> 21:58.470 Colonel Rafferty will tell us it doesn't fit 21:58.470 --> 22:00.890 and we'll say okay, we'll go build something else, 22:00.890 --> 22:02.370 we'll work with our contractors to build 22:02.370 --> 22:04.600 what the Army needs instead of trying to promote 22:04.600 --> 22:06.593 programs that don't fit the strategy. 22:07.330 --> 22:09.380 And so I appreciate everybody coming out, 22:09.470 --> 22:12.170 I'll turn it over to Mike George, who is a Picatinny 22:12.170 --> 22:14.993 brethren and the S and T advisor and thanks again. 22:16.550 --> 22:17.450 - Thank you, Will. 22:17.660 --> 22:19.460 So, a lot of the things that Will and Chris 22:19.460 --> 22:21.410 and Colonel Rafferty mentioned are based on 22:21.410 --> 22:23.130 the benefits of the development work 22:23.130 --> 22:26.010 and the S and T that we've already come to realize 22:26.160 --> 22:27.870 and so we are establishing those quick wins, 22:27.870 --> 22:29.340 we are getting those out there early 22:29.340 --> 22:32.090 because we do realize an operational capability 22:32.310 --> 22:34.493 that can be provided in the near term, 22:34.800 --> 22:35.860 but where are we going in the future? 22:35.860 --> 22:37.500 We keep talking about modernization 22:37.500 --> 22:39.400 and so what is modernization? 22:39.400 --> 22:41.530 We have to look at what science and technology, 22:41.530 --> 22:44.423 what our partners here, in industry, can help provide. 22:44.620 --> 22:46.620 When we start looking at those component technologies, 22:46.620 --> 22:49.910 how do we pull those together from an operational standpoint 22:49.910 --> 22:52.300 and bring an integrated, lethal capability 22:52.300 --> 22:53.250 to the war fighter? 22:53.830 --> 22:55.330 So I'll take a step back cause we're starting to 22:55.330 --> 22:57.910 look at more of the future capabilities 22:57.910 --> 22:59.573 and where do we wanna go. 22:59.720 --> 23:02.080 General Townsend made a great point today 23:02.080 --> 23:05.630 in capturing what MDO1.5 is and as we start 23:05.630 --> 23:08.270 looking at those power competition or the layers 23:08.270 --> 23:11.693 of defense and layers of standoff. 23:11.810 --> 23:13.750 We have to the be the best in breed in all echelons 23:13.750 --> 23:14.583 of the fight. 23:14.850 --> 23:16.950 So Colonel Rafferty mentioned the echelons of the fight 23:16.950 --> 23:19.003 that we are investing our technology in, 23:19.400 --> 23:22.480 but how do we go and make sure that our foundational work 23:22.630 --> 23:25.410 is starting to reinvest and reinvigorate where we can go? 23:25.410 --> 23:27.420 That's where we need help with our industry partners, 23:27.420 --> 23:30.070 as well as looking at the DEX, the labs and academia. 23:30.310 --> 23:32.810 And so as we start introducing these capabilities, 23:32.910 --> 23:34.910 the video that you saw behind Colonel Rafferty, 23:34.910 --> 23:36.640 when he was giving his opening remarks, 23:36.640 --> 23:39.540 looked at some of the prototyping and the experimentation. 23:39.640 --> 23:42.100 That's really where the CFT and Army Futures Command 23:42.100 --> 23:44.400 has allowed us to bring that to the forefront. 23:44.690 --> 23:47.543 We're now informing the future set of requirements. 23:47.580 --> 23:49.930 The future set of requirements are now experimenting 23:49.930 --> 23:52.710 with these different ideas that we're now prototyping 23:52.820 --> 23:54.320 and building from the S and T. 23:54.800 --> 23:56.330 So all these pieces are well nested. 23:56.330 --> 23:59.270 Partners in crime are partners in cross-functional teaming. 23:59.270 --> 24:01.120 We are bringing these pieces together 24:01.130 --> 24:04.450 and we're enabled, allowed to, allowing ourselves 24:04.560 --> 24:07.350 to now enable multi-domain operational themes 24:07.590 --> 24:09.580 for the Army to now go and build into its 24:09.580 --> 24:12.273 force structure context to simulate, to war game, 24:12.410 --> 24:14.060 to experiment and prototype 24:14.420 --> 24:16.360 and so all of these things are coming together quickly. 24:16.360 --> 24:19.223 We are putting more money into those game changers. 24:19.410 --> 24:21.230 Again, we have component technologies, 24:21.230 --> 24:23.180 we can go and invest in advanced energetics, 24:23.180 --> 24:25.143 advanced warheads, advanced propulsion, 24:25.260 --> 24:27.920 advanced weapon systems, airframes and so on 24:27.920 --> 24:29.560 and everyone has their niche capability 24:29.560 --> 24:31.020 that they'll bring to the fight, 24:31.020 --> 24:33.230 but when you integrate those systems together, 24:33.230 --> 24:34.640 that's really when you start looking at that 24:34.640 --> 24:36.360 operational overmatch and so that's where 24:36.360 --> 24:39.010 the science and technology, or our partnerships with 24:39.190 --> 24:40.400 the researchers and development community, 24:40.400 --> 24:43.120 our industry partners or even on the acquisitions side, 24:43.120 --> 24:45.270 as we start looking at bridging that valley 24:45.270 --> 24:47.220 or that Ditch of Death, that's really where we 24:47.220 --> 24:49.180 start looking at the inherent benefits 24:49.180 --> 24:51.630 of what we can provide in a short amount of time. 24:52.050 --> 24:53.130 So with that, I'll get off the stage 24:53.130 --> 24:54.510 and turn it back over to Colonel Rafferty 24:54.510 --> 24:57.423 for any questions and answers. 25:03.380 --> 25:05.540 - Alright, so we're ready to take any questions 25:05.540 --> 25:07.850 and while you're handing that, I'll just, 25:07.850 --> 25:10.410 I'll make a comment about science and technology 25:10.830 --> 25:14.310 deep dive that we executed last week at Picatinny, 25:14.310 --> 25:16.990 hosted by them, but brought the whole community together 25:16.990 --> 25:20.273 and we started to make, you know, to make, 25:21.250 --> 25:23.410 I started to put together my thinking on how 25:23.410 --> 25:25.250 we're gonna make recommendations on our, 25:25.250 --> 25:27.443 one, that foundational S and T line, 25:28.204 --> 25:31.170 at each one of the labs as it relates to this portfolio 25:31.510 --> 25:34.540 and then begin to start thinking about 25:34.540 --> 25:37.079 the tough choices we're gonna make about programs 25:37.079 --> 25:39.463 that aren't necessarily gonna contribute, 25:39.647 --> 25:42.520 or that aren't, that are getting in the way 25:42.520 --> 25:44.580 of us finishing these right now. 25:44.580 --> 25:47.563 So that's the last thing, I'm ready for questions. 25:48.640 --> 25:50.100 - [Cameron] Good to see you again, sir. 25:50.100 --> 25:53.113 Thank you for a really interesting presentation. 25:53.410 --> 25:55.373 I'm Cameron Simpson, British Artillery. 25:56.061 --> 25:58.580 We, too, are 39 caliber addicts. 25:58.580 --> 26:01.470 We, too, are looking for that extended range. 26:01.470 --> 26:05.483 I'd like to ask a question about the ERCA project. 26:06.660 --> 26:08.763 As you get that extended range, 26:08.810 --> 26:13.163 you start to need more guidance because the zone opens up. 26:14.780 --> 26:17.790 That, therefore, requires more target information 26:17.790 --> 26:21.093 to go into the shells before they leave the turret. 26:22.640 --> 26:25.510 What level of automation are you looking at 26:25.890 --> 26:28.537 inside that 58 caliber turret, 26:29.100 --> 26:32.913 in order to deal with that complexity of ammunition? 26:34.470 --> 26:36.403 - So, I'll take a first whack at that. 26:37.137 --> 26:41.977 In that our A role that I'm playing in the ERCA program 26:42.240 --> 26:47.050 is to push us towards more autonomous approaches 26:47.050 --> 26:48.933 to our artillery systems. 26:49.420 --> 26:51.374 It was asked of me a couple of weeks ago 26:51.374 --> 26:53.010 whether or not that our, 26:53.010 --> 26:55.210 and I realize our FA Commandant's here, too, 26:55.340 --> 26:57.860 that whether or not our community is ready 26:58.260 --> 27:00.223 for autonomous artillery. 27:01.210 --> 27:03.710 And I'd say that we actually made that decision 27:03.900 --> 27:06.603 years ago with MLRS and HIMARS. 27:07.670 --> 27:10.330 And the crew members are in the front cab, 27:10.330 --> 27:11.750 they're not manipulating the sights, 27:11.750 --> 27:14.426 they're not elevating the LLM or anything, 27:14.426 --> 27:16.313 so we're past that. 27:16.820 --> 27:18.290 It doesn't mean it wouldn't be disruptive, 27:18.290 --> 27:21.200 but I don't think that's really an obstacle, 27:21.200 --> 27:24.573 which some may have thought that, 27:26.929 --> 27:29.950 but we believe that by the time we get to 27:30.020 --> 27:33.730 prototype four, five or six, that we'll have some 27:33.730 --> 27:36.810 autonomous options in there for us to consider. 27:36.810 --> 27:39.898 And as our acquisition executive proposed 27:39.898 --> 27:43.910 a week or two ago, he said that in terms of autonomy, 27:43.910 --> 27:46.593 artillery's probably the right place to start. 27:47.590 --> 27:49.140 It's probably much harder to get there for a 27:49.140 --> 27:53.533 direct-fire weapon system, for an indirect fire system, 27:53.610 --> 27:57.674 it's probably a lot easier and I just sort of made a, 27:57.674 --> 28:00.570 you know, a comparison to MLRS, which you could 28:00.570 --> 28:02.610 make an argument is semi-autonomous, 28:02.610 --> 28:04.589 although we've never described it that way. 28:04.589 --> 28:06.839 (stammers) 28:08.430 --> 28:09.460 We look at it as a couple of ways. 28:09.460 --> 28:11.540 One is it makes the turret easier to protect, right, 28:11.540 --> 28:13.643 cause you don't have a bunch of crew members in there. 28:13.720 --> 28:17.270 It also has a potential, as we begin to trust these systems, 28:17.270 --> 28:21.563 for us to actually be faster and safer and more reliable, 28:21.930 --> 28:23.580 so we're going in that direction. 28:23.840 --> 28:28.143 We don't have a clear path yet, but we're going that way. 28:31.110 --> 28:33.710 - Sir, thanks and another great point on that point. 28:33.940 --> 28:36.830 I think where autonomy goes, but where we start looking 28:36.830 --> 28:39.740 at supervised automation, from a weapons perspective, 28:39.740 --> 28:42.140 there's a lot of themes out there for artificial 28:42.450 --> 28:45.430 intelligence and autonomy but when we start looking 28:45.430 --> 28:47.910 at weapons platforms for a crew intensive 28:47.910 --> 28:50.340 or a safety intensive environment and you start 28:50.340 --> 28:53.120 looking at supervised automation to be able to 28:53.120 --> 28:55.180 allow a platform to go and service 28:55.180 --> 28:57.010 multiple targets at a much faster rate 28:57.010 --> 28:59.760 by bringing automation in, such as ammunition handling, 28:59.770 --> 29:01.590 allows you to be more lethal and survivable 29:01.590 --> 29:04.010 on the battlefield and so we are investing heavily, 29:04.010 --> 29:07.150 the CFT and Army Futures Command has helped influence 29:07.150 --> 29:09.740 where we go with that roadmap to then go 29:09.740 --> 29:12.313 and help support those future combat platforms. 29:13.520 --> 29:17.260 - Just one add to that is I think when you were talking 29:17.260 --> 29:19.780 about the automation, some of it has to do with 29:19.780 --> 29:23.713 ephemeris data and satellite data and GPS coordinates, 29:24.370 --> 29:26.810 so the CFT allowed this instrument on the CFT, 29:26.810 --> 29:28.090 which I'm always fascinated, 29:28.090 --> 29:29.690 but I'm a statement of the obvious kind of guy, 29:29.690 --> 29:32.140 and when we looked at the intelligence community, 29:32.320 --> 29:35.740 and their input back to us, a lot of our high value targets 29:35.740 --> 29:38.260 that we're going after have wheels and tracks 29:38.470 --> 29:41.140 and so what we're also learning on is 29:41.930 --> 29:44.910 GPS is not the right solution to go after those target sets 29:44.970 --> 29:47.350 and so through the CFT we've teed up a couple 29:47.350 --> 29:50.230 of opportunities to put different sensor packages 29:50.230 --> 29:51.890 on cannon artillery and allow it to 29:51.890 --> 29:53.590 go after moving and moved targets. 29:53.780 --> 29:55.190 I don't wanna downplay that, I mean, 29:55.190 --> 29:57.170 that's a significant shift for a community 29:57.170 --> 29:59.720 that probably relied on aviation assets 29:59.720 --> 30:01.270 to hit moving targets and so there's a lot 30:01.270 --> 30:02.400 of learning that's gonna go on there 30:02.400 --> 30:04.483 and the CFT is a good forum to do that. 30:15.188 --> 30:17.996 (people speaking without mic) 30:17.996 --> 30:19.070 - Here, why don't you just hold that. 30:19.070 --> 30:21.993 - [Sydney] Thanks, hi, Sydney Freedberg, Breaking Defense. 30:24.080 --> 30:26.653 Talk to me about the schedule on PRISM. 30:27.280 --> 30:29.537 You know, when you actually will have, 30:29.537 --> 30:31.540 you know, that first unit equipped 30:32.358 --> 30:34.960 and what the spirals are likely to be? 30:34.960 --> 30:38.353 We hear things like anti-ship, for example, ISR packages. 30:38.950 --> 30:41.140 There's the possibility that the INF Treaty goes away 30:41.140 --> 30:43.570 and then 499 KM is no longer the range you want 30:43.570 --> 30:45.190 and you want options to upgrade that, 30:45.190 --> 30:47.817 if that happens, so sir, talk to me about what that, 30:47.817 --> 30:50.193 the notional timeline is, currently. 30:52.410 --> 30:55.020 - I'll start and hand it to Chris, but uh... 30:58.061 --> 31:01.333 So our first quarter FY23, so January of 2023 31:01.333 --> 31:04.683 will be an urgent materiel release of the PRISM missile. 31:06.090 --> 31:09.610 Immediately after that, we wanna begin to spiral in, 31:09.610 --> 31:14.573 as quickly as possible, these additional capabilities. 31:15.286 --> 31:18.351 - What the materiel release means, in English, 31:18.351 --> 31:20.110 people will get the weapon, operations-- 31:20.110 --> 31:22.790 - Yes, yes, so limited quantity of the weapon 31:22.790 --> 31:26.780 will be fielded, so it'll be in ammunition bunkers 31:27.610 --> 31:29.160 wherever we decide to put them. 31:30.570 --> 31:32.413 So the spirals that we're pursuing, 31:33.030 --> 31:37.090 you said anti-ship, it's really a cross-domain 31:37.230 --> 31:40.730 and what I mean by cross-domain is its, what it senses 31:40.730 --> 31:43.130 and I'll let Chris get into the specifics on it, 31:44.608 --> 31:49.030 but a ship could be a target for it, as an example. 31:49.030 --> 31:51.830 So the propulsion spiral is an interesting point, right? 31:51.830 --> 31:55.453 Because we're going to the limit of the INF Treaty. 31:55.980 --> 32:00.263 If that changes, which is a discussion that I'm not part of, 32:00.760 --> 32:04.400 if that changes, what we've begun to consider is, 32:04.400 --> 32:07.500 is would there be additional room for more range 32:07.500 --> 32:10.363 out of the PRISM missile, the answer is yes. 32:10.990 --> 32:14.710 And could that be improved even with additional 32:14.710 --> 32:17.383 propulsion technology, the answer to that is yes. 32:17.810 --> 32:21.083 So those will be spirals that we consider, as well. 32:21.190 --> 32:22.110 So, I'll turn it over to Chris, 32:22.110 --> 32:24.143 for a more programmatic approach. 32:29.080 --> 32:32.030 - FY23, as Colonel Rafferty mentioned, 32:32.030 --> 32:36.310 is when we're planning for the urgent materiel release 32:36.487 --> 32:40.417 and your point was spot on, it's when we get 32:40.417 --> 32:43.353 the missile into the hands of the soldier, 32:44.570 --> 32:48.340 but what we're trying to do with PRISM is 32:48.760 --> 32:51.963 the baseline missile is, we're calling it, 32:52.686 --> 32:55.390 the platform, or the bus, for future capabilities 32:55.810 --> 33:00.810 and if we do it right and we put the right architecture 33:01.430 --> 33:03.503 and have the right interfaces, 33:03.550 --> 33:05.793 then we can spiral those in quickly. 33:06.100 --> 33:10.320 I use, for example, I worked on the Guided MLRS 33:10.320 --> 33:14.903 Alternative Warhead into Guided MLRS. 33:15.130 --> 33:17.210 That was a replacement of a warhead into 33:17.210 --> 33:18.763 an existing missile system. 33:19.060 --> 33:20.860 It went through a program of record, 33:20.860 --> 33:24.853 took six years to do, that's not what we wanna do here. 33:24.930 --> 33:29.910 What we wanna do is to be able to rapidly roll these in 33:29.910 --> 33:33.723 and even while we're building the baseline missile, 33:34.050 --> 33:36.360 we're working with the S and T community 33:36.360 --> 33:39.946 and we're pulling industry in, 33:39.946 --> 33:42.583 with the S and T community so that we, 33:42.780 --> 33:45.100 so it's not one of those situations where 33:45.100 --> 33:47.163 the S and T community develops something, 33:47.320 --> 33:51.010 hands if off to industry and industry completely 33:51.010 --> 33:53.020 redesigns it and then hands it over to me 33:53.020 --> 33:55.253 to put into the missile. 33:55.350 --> 33:58.983 That's unacceptable, we don't have that time. 33:59.860 --> 34:01.203 So that's the focus. 34:02.640 --> 34:06.730 Propulsion, initial, we're looking at additional 34:06.730 --> 34:09.950 propulsion technologies they could extend potentially, 34:09.950 --> 34:14.830 if the INF Treaty decision was made, 34:14.830 --> 34:18.023 that we could go further, we'll look at that. 34:18.950 --> 34:23.400 And also, not just, right now the baseline missile 34:23.400 --> 34:26.670 has a fairly conventional propulsion type of 34:28.690 --> 34:32.113 capability, I mean, it's similar to Guided MLRS, 34:33.120 --> 34:36.093 but what we're trying, there's other cape, uh, 34:36.260 --> 34:38.810 propulsion technologies out there that may even 34:39.070 --> 34:42.453 be a leap ahead, so we'll look at that, as well. 34:43.440 --> 34:45.713 And then the moving or moved targets, 34:46.320 --> 34:50.463 looking at, we don't want a one-trick pony that, 34:50.600 --> 34:53.470 as you mentioned, goes after maritime assets, 34:53.470 --> 34:56.563 but has no application against terrestrial, 34:56.820 --> 35:00.213 or ground-based assets or radars, 35:00.430 --> 35:05.310 so that, we're trying to work all these different 35:05.310 --> 35:10.310 potential capabilities and look at what's most mature 35:10.910 --> 35:14.350 and then prioritize that so we can get with industry 35:14.350 --> 35:17.760 and with our S and T community and do that 35:17.760 --> 35:20.580 integration of those spirals as the missile 35:20.580 --> 35:22.793 becomes available in the mid 2020s. 35:24.316 --> 35:27.020 - And my job is to take what Chris just talked about 35:27.050 --> 35:29.590 and what I've learned from industry in our labs 35:29.590 --> 35:31.530 over the last two months and turn it into 35:31.530 --> 35:34.160 a plan for these spirals and what priority 35:34.160 --> 35:36.150 and what order and to make sure that 35:36.280 --> 35:38.680 we're invested properly, to reach those quickly. 35:39.710 --> 35:42.693 While you're, we're happy to take the next question. 35:45.060 --> 35:46.290 While we're getting over there, I'll just say 35:46.290 --> 35:48.313 that there's one thing that I've, 35:49.201 --> 35:51.743 a question that I'm starting to ask now in my, 35:52.260 --> 35:55.440 you know, in my learning in this job 35:55.440 --> 35:58.833 and it's this, I understand technology readiness levels, 35:58.850 --> 36:01.000 I understand the material readiness levels, 36:02.450 --> 36:05.480 I don't know where, how we're measuring integration risk 36:06.150 --> 36:08.220 and how we're doing that, so that's something 36:08.220 --> 36:09.250 that I'm really focused on. 36:09.250 --> 36:10.703 Chris talked about the integration challenges 36:10.703 --> 36:12.998 of some of these sensors and things like that, 36:12.998 --> 36:16.617 but that's something that I think the CFT has to highlight 36:16.617 --> 36:20.370 and address early so that when it's time 36:20.370 --> 36:22.560 to integrate new technology, that we're prepared 36:22.560 --> 36:24.563 to do it without unnecessary delays. 36:25.780 --> 36:28.110 - [Audience Member] Within the, your Cross-Functional Team, 36:28.110 --> 36:30.100 I'm surprised that we don't have loitering 36:30.100 --> 36:31.890 and swarming munitions with, inside that, 36:31.890 --> 36:34.140 considering the ranges are pretty close to the ERCA, 36:34.140 --> 36:36.260 where does that fall with inside the eight 36:36.390 --> 36:38.830 Cross-Functional Teams and do you guys 36:38.830 --> 36:40.333 have a hand to play in that? 36:40.720 --> 36:45.450 - So we've looked at technology and ideas from 36:45.450 --> 36:48.590 our industry partners on swarming and loitering munitions, 36:48.590 --> 36:52.150 artillery delivered, so it's something that we're addressing 36:52.150 --> 36:54.973 within the CFT, it could be one of those spirals, 36:55.080 --> 36:57.443 I'm not convinced that we're there yet, 36:57.940 --> 37:00.740 but it's definitely something that we wanna present 37:00.740 --> 37:03.750 as an S and T investment in the future. 37:13.203 --> 37:14.060 - [Sydney] I'll ask one. 37:14.060 --> 37:15.060 - Yeah, okay Sydney. 37:16.020 --> 37:17.183 I'll trade with you. 37:18.370 --> 37:21.370 - I've had people give me (mic gives feedback noise), whoop. 37:23.130 --> 37:24.543 We can juggle these, too. 37:24.859 --> 37:28.870 A plausible notation for why a hypersonic weapon 37:29.150 --> 37:30.860 that skips in and out of atmosphere, 37:30.860 --> 37:32.590 isn't covered by NF because it's not truly 37:32.590 --> 37:33.913 ballistic or truly cruise. 37:34.220 --> 37:35.810 I don't think the Russians'll buy that, 37:35.810 --> 37:37.530 but it's an argument you could make 37:37.530 --> 37:39.593 in the international law. 37:40.240 --> 37:42.850 How does the cannon-launched munition 37:45.000 --> 37:48.940 get through, be, how can, is that possibly INF compliant, 37:48.940 --> 37:51.780 because of how it operates or is that something 37:51.780 --> 37:53.860 we're doing R and D, allowed by the treaty, 37:53.860 --> 37:55.973 to do R and D, on non-complaint systems, 37:56.050 --> 37:59.493 but we will only field if, as the ambassador said recently, 37:59.730 --> 38:02.333 you know, if we really have to? 38:03.602 --> 38:07.740 - We've gotten the initial ruling that we can proceed 38:08.450 --> 38:10.920 and we believe that the cannon will be 38:10.920 --> 38:12.223 complaint with the treaty. 38:13.430 --> 38:15.790 And there is a way to describe, 38:15.790 --> 38:17.760 I don't wanna address the technology 38:17.760 --> 38:19.913 or the approach to it in this forum, 38:20.320 --> 38:22.693 but we're confident in its compliance. 38:24.541 --> 38:26.610 - [Sydney] It doesn't follow either cruise 38:26.610 --> 38:28.003 or ballistic flight path, as defined by the treaty, 38:28.003 --> 38:29.343 is that the issue, or? 38:30.310 --> 38:31.836 - So it's different from hypersonic, 38:31.836 --> 38:36.836 in the way it meets the treaty limitations, 38:37.841 --> 38:40.893 but it does, that's all I really wanna say here about that. 38:46.500 --> 38:48.523 Alright, I think we've got time for one more. 38:53.590 --> 38:56.140 Alright, well that's it for us and we'll be around, 38:56.140 --> 38:58.440 I think we've got a media event after this, 38:58.440 --> 39:01.240 although some of it probably got covered by Sydney here, 39:01.450 --> 39:02.850 but thank you again for your time 39:02.850 --> 39:04.579 and your interest in the program. 39:04.579 --> 39:05.431 (audience applauding)