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- Good afternoon, everyone and welcome to Pearl Harbor.

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On behalf of the National Parks Service,

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this press conference is being held

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at the Pearl Harbor Visitors Center.

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It's from here the tours depart

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that take guests to the memorial and return them.

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This is also the place where Pacific Historic Parks

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has its association, which runs the book store

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and the Association of the Missouri, the USS Bowfin,

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and the Pacific Aviation Museum.

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Before you, I have three Pearl Harbor survivors

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and respectively, we will introduce them,

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so that you can get their names down

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and then we'll begin the questions at the end

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and I'm gonna allow them to introduce themselves.

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So that's how the press conference will work.

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I will, I have four questions and if we can get

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through those questions in enough time,

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there will be an additional follow-up question

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that we can take.

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First of all, Michael, will you introduce yourself?

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- My name is Michael "Mickey" Ganitch.

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I was on the USS Pennsylvania in Pearl Harbor,

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December 7th, 1941 at age 22.

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- Okay.

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(mumbling)

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- Stuart Hedley, aboard the USS West Virginia,

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Seaman First Class, battle station Turret 3 and--

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- And your age at the time?

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- Age at the time, 20 year old brat that grew up overnight.

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- Jack Holder.

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I was a flight engineer based on Port Island,

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19 years old.

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- And how, 19 at the time?

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- 19 at the time.

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- And what squadron were you in?

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- PP-23.

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- PP-23.

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Alright, gentlemen, I'm gonna start off the questions

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and I'll go from right here where Michael is

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all the way down, so I'll allow you to finish that

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and then we'll move on to the next gentleman.

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Michael, when you think of Pearl Harbor,

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and you're sitting alone, what's that most vivid memory

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that comes to mind?

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- "Wow, we're at war!"

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We didn't know about this.

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We talked about it, but we didn't really think

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it would be happening because we were so strong,

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we didn't think anybody would dare attack us and they did.

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- Where were you at that moment?

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- I was on the battleship Pennsylvania there

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in the delivery compartment in my football uniform,

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because we were scheduled to play the USS Arizona

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for the fleet football championship that day.

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We'd do a little scrimmaging with out the pads on

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in at that time, I was living in the compartment

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right underneath the side of where propellers are.

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- When did you realize the attack

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was coming from the Japanese?

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- I had a phone call over the phone in there.

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And what the fella says is,

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"The Japanese are attacking Pearl Harbor."

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I said,

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"Oh, come on quit talking like that."

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We'd been talking about it but we didn't think it'd happen.

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About that time, the ship shuddered there.

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Some of the people close to the guns saw what was going on,

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they started shooting before the rest of the people

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on the ship knew what was going on.

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About that time, battle stations went,

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"All hands, man your battle stations."

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I didn't have time to change clothes.

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I was in my football uniform, ready to leave the ship

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to get ready for that game with the USS Arizona that day.

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- Now that is a vivid memory.

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(laughing)

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Stu, your vivid memory, when did,

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when you sit alone and you think about Pearl Harbor,

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what comes to mind?

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- Oh, that the--
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- Hold on, we'll wait until the helicopter goes out.

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- [Man] And Stu, can you please look this way

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so we can see your face as you answer?

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Thank you.

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- The sun affects my eyes and I don't want to sneeze.

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Probably will sneeze.
(laughing)

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- [Man] That's fine.

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(helicopter buzzing)

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- Let me know when you're--

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- The thing that comes to my mind

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is the 2,000 some odd sailors that gave their lives

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that morning so that you and I

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can have the freedom that we have right now.

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- Now Stu, when did you realize what was happening?

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What did you see and how did you feel?

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- At about 6:45, I was in the Quartermaster shack

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down on the bottom deck in the stern of the ship

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when the word went out over the loudspeaker,

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"Away, fire and rescue party."

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The officer on the deck saw the fire over on Port Island

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but didn't realize we were under attack.

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But I made a beeline to get to my locker,

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put my hat on my head, and as I did,

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I got kicked right in the seat of the pants

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by a First Class Bosun, who said,

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"Hey, get to your battle station on the double.

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"This is the real thing."

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I went out on topside.

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Planes were diving from every direction

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and I saw Lieutenant Commander White, our pilot,

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underneath the gun tub, firing away with his .45

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and I dove under there with him and I thought,

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"What kind of a war is this?"

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And he, I didn't ask any questions.

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I'm a Seaman, he's the Lieutenant Commander.

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And he said,

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"Son, where's your battle station?"

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I pointed up to Turret 3.

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"Jet up there as fast as you can."

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As I was going up the port bladder,

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here come a Japanese torpedo plane down the port side.

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I could see the pilot, the co-pilot,

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the radioman laughing like everything.

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Got inside the turret.

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Only two of us manned the right gun,

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fellow by the name of Krauslin and myself.

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We later learned that the left gun had 11 men in it.

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There should have been 12 in each side.

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- So Stu, going back, when you think about that moment,

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that just singular moment, what is that moment?

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- War is upon us and before I joined the Navy,

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I realized we were gonna be at war

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and so I enlisted rather than being drafted.

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- Okay, I'm gonna move on

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to the next question for you, Jack.

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When you think about Pearl Harbor, sitting on that couch,

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what comes to mind, vividly comes to mind?

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- Well, at the time,

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I was a Navy Machinist's Mate Second Class.

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I joined the Navy April 24, 1940.

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I was a Second Class, as I said, then.

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I was a flight engineer on a PBY VB-23 based on Port Island.

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I had the duty that day.

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We had just fell in for muster

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when the section leader began roll call.

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We heard a screaming engine and just moments later,

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we heard a terrible explosion.

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We thought probably one of our own aircraft

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had crashed right outside the hangar.

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The hangar adjacent to us, VB-21,

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received the first bomb that fell on Port Island.

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Fortunately, they hit an empty hangar.

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VB-21 was in the Philippines on advanced base training.

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But then we looked in the sky,

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we seen all these aircraft circling

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over the horizon sunny in the morning.

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It was disbelief, fear, anger, disbelief.

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You can think of a thousand things.

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I've been asked that, what my thoughts were,

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but you've got so many you can't corner them all.

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It so happened that one of my shipmates remembered

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there was a sewer line behind our hangar under construction.

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He says,

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"Let's go for the ditch, follow me."

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We all ran, jumped in this ditch.

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It so happened that one of the pilots seen us,

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circled, straightened the ditch, hit the dirt piled up

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on the sides of the ditch, missing us by three feet.

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I've been asked what my thoughts were at that time

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but I guess my most vivid memory is,

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"God, please don't let me die in this ditch."

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We then came out, seen all of our aircraft on fire,

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seen ships sinking, I seen the Arizona, West Virginia,

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Tennessee, Utah, California, all smoking planes.

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It was a terrible sight.

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- Thank you, Jack.

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The next question for you,

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we'll start again with you, Michael.

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What is going through your mind this 75th anniversary,

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this week that you visit the site of the attack?

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- So many of our people that I knew passed away.

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In fact, one of my neighbors who lived

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about 100 yards down the street,

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I played football against him.

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We went to high school together and I found out later

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that he was on the USS Arizona at that time.

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But this time we had to do what we were trained to do.

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We'd had training there during the week before Pearl Harbor.

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We'd come in port to have our games and church services

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and all, but now, everything had changed there.

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We're at war and we've got to do our duty,

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what we're trained to do there, and we did our duty.

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- But what do you think about when you walk around the site

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of the attack, now 75 years later?

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What are you looking for?

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How are you feeling?

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- I'm looking for the place where, the dry dock

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where my ship was at that time.

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That's the first thing, then.

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Then I think about the 23 men that died that day,

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some of the people I personally knew.

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It happened there and we thought it would not happen,

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it could not happen there, but it did happen there

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and we had to do something about it and we did do it.

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- Okay, thank you.

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Stu, when you walk around this battlefield, Oahu,

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because it's not only Pearl Harbor

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but it's the airfields as well,

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what comes to mind?

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How do you feel about coming back to Pearl Harbor?

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- It's nostalgic, really, because of the fact that

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the thing that goes through my mind is

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the thousands of families that lost their loved ones

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that broke up husbands and wives and children

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that never knew their dad.

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It's sort of a sad situation but the whole idea is

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we're here to keep the remembrance of what happened that day

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so it doesn't happen again.

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- Thanks, Stu.

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Jack, when you walk around this place and maybe go

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to Port Island or something and you see this site again

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after 75 years, how do you feel about that?

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- Well, it's a relief, it's a healing action,

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and it, just seeing my shipmates here,

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all of these shipmates that I never knew before,

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people that were on different ships, different locations,

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it's a revelation to me to meet all these fine shipmates

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and it's, as I said, it's healing.

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When I walk around my hangar, I see my hangar, Hangar 54

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on Port Island, I remember the whole thing.

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It's--

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- Does it come alive for you?

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- It come alive, I never forget it.

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- The question for you, Michael, and we'll go down the line

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on here, what would you like to say

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to the current generation of servicemen, servicewomen

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who are now following in your footsteps?

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- A lot of the problems that we've had nowadays here,

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the children are not trained

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to be accountable for their own actions.

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I was a kid there, I did things wrong,

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but I got spanked for it.

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Really, I didn't mind it because I did something wrong.

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I learned by it.

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Now, the kids nowadays there would be accountable

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for their actions, maybe, I know they're scared

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about the child abuse and all that there,

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but the stopping allowing them to spoil the child there.

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But I think if they could learn by experience,

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if they make a mistake, don't be afraid to admit it there

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and be accountable for your own actions.

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Don't depend on someone, don't try to blame someone else.

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If you did something wrong, be accountable for it

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and I think the world would be better, they'd be better,

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and the family would be better,

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everybody would be around them there

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if they'd be accountable for their own actions.

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- Feeling pretty strong about that,

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but let me ask you again, what about the servicemen

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that are serving today?

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- The servicemen?

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- How do you feel about them following in your footsteps?

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- Oh, if they're going into the service just to serve

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and that's all, they're wasting time,

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but if they want to go make a man of them

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in life, I became a man that day

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because I realized I had something to do,

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something of importance there,

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and if they would realize there

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that whatever they do, it depends on them.

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If they want to make something of theirselves, they'd do it

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but don't, you know, figure

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that the world's given you a silver spoon there.

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Be accountable for your own actions there,

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and the world is for you.

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You make it.

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Don't just be there just to have a job and so on.

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Try to improve yourself and be a man.

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There's no stopping you.

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- Stu, how do feel about this current generation

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of servicemen and servicewomen

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who have followed in your footsteps?

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- Goes right back to our motto.

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"Remember Pearl Harbor, Keep America Alert,"

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and I don't hesitate to tell our kids,

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"America is asleep."

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- Okay.

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Jack, how do you feel about the servicemen and servicewomen

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that are following in your footsteps?

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- Well, as my friend here, my shipmate Mickey just said,

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the Navy is a great teacher.

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It teaches discipline and it turns a boy into a man

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and that's what happened to me.

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I give presentations all over the country,

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many different states.

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I just came back from Washington DC for awhile,

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but I tell all the kids,

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"We live in the greatest nation in the world.

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"I joined the Navy, I took an oath,

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"and I tried to live up to it."

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They live in the greatest country in the world,

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they need to respect it.

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If they're called on, they need to do it.

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- Thank you.

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I have one last question.

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We learned today that Prime Minister Abe and the President

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will be meeting at the end of the month and be going

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to the USS Arizona Memorial to pay their respects.

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I'd like to know what your reaction is

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to this historic meeting.

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Michael, first for you.

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- If Japan was our enemy once there,

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now they're one of our good friends there.

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To me it's like a football game, okay, any sport there.

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Your enemy's on the field there, maybe you'll go out

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to supper together, you can't change what happened.

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Think about the future.

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If we can be friends with them, the more friends

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that we have, the better the world will be,

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the better our country will be.

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This is the best country there is.

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They don't like this country,

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I'll help them move to another country.

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(laughing)

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- Michael, I'm glad you have an opinion.

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(laughing)

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Stu, I want to repeat the question.

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I wanted to know how you feel about the President Obama

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and Prime Minister Abe meeting together

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to go to the USS Arizona Memorial.

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- Sad.

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I really truthfully do not have

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any feeling towards it whatsoever.

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- Okay.

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Jack, the President is going to meet with President,

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rather, from Prime Minister Abe from Japan

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and they're going together as a, for a meeting

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and reconciliation on the USS Arizona Memorial.

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How do you feel about that?

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- Well, the first time I though about this,

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I wish the Premier from Japan

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would be meeting with Donald Trump.

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I have no respect for our leadership now.

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- Amen.

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- I think the country is in a terrible condition now.

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As I once said awhile ago,

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we live in the greatest nation in the world

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and it has the potential to return it to that

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but not under this leadership.

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We've got to have more control.

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I've talked to so many people, so many military people

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that have relayed what has failed and I'm very disappointed.

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- Okay.

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We have room for a few follow up questions.

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Anybody have one?

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Okay, if not, we'd like to thank our survivors

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of Pearl Harbor for being here and being candid

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during this discussion and we all wish you well.

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Thank you very much.

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- I'd like to make one more solid statement, if I may.

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- Okay.

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- I'm not only a Pearl Harbor survivor.

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I was in the second aircraft

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that spotted the Japanese fleet coming up to Midway.

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I then went to Guadalcanal for the 48th mission

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to Guadalcanal and Sullivan Islands.

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Transferred to San Diego, went through training

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in the B-24 Liberator, went to Devonshire, England

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for the 56th mission for anti-submarine patrol

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over the English Channel.

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Sunk one submarine at Midway,

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sunk one in the English Channel.

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Thank you.

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(laughing)

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- Thank you.
- Thank you very much.

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(audience applauding)

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- [Woman] Thank you so much for you service.

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It makes me really honor you because I have the freedoms

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that I have because of the work and the dedication you did

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for this country--
- Thank you, ma'am.

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- [Woman] And I'm greatly indebted to your bravery.

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- I'm a public speaker.

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I speak at schools, clubs, colleges,

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anyone that will listen to me there.

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Especially the kids, the kids are learning very little

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in the history books about anymore.

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Some of them don't even know when the war was,

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some of them don't know who we're fighting there.

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So I try to give them a little history lesson

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and the kids are paying attention and that's a good.

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If the kids are paying attention instead of sleeping

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or looking out the window there,

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that means I'm getting it across a little bit.

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I'm proud that I can talk to the kids

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and give them a little history lesson, thank you.

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- Okay, we have to cut it.

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I have National Park Service Rangers

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that are over here and it's time to end.

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They have a commitment, these survivors.

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Thank you.

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- Edward Stone.

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- [Interviewer] Stone, okay.

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- Syracuse, New York.

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- [Interviewer] Can you just kind of tell me

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what it feels like to be here?

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- Well, I've been here, I guess, this is my 12th time

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and to see some of my old buddies that I've been with before

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and it's just great.

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I brought my youngest son

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and daughter in law with me this time.

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They've never been to Hawaii.

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I want to make it a good vacation for them.

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- [Interviewer] I'll bet.

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So, how's it feel kind of connecting

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with all your old friends every year?

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- What do you mean, how does it feel?

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- [Interviewer] Just like, how does it make you feel?

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Just coming here and seeing all the people and everything.

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- Yeah, well, it's great.

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I can say, there's Timmy Davis there,

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getting hugged by that gal.

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He's the President of the Greatest Generation Foundation

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that took me twice here for the 70th

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and the 73rd anniversary and, hey Tim!

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We'll see you tomorrow night at the banquet.

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- We'll see you, yeah.

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Alright.

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- Good to see you again.

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- You too, man.

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I've got something for you on the bus.

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- Okay.

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Yeah, we'll be honorary Grand Marshals again

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in the huge parade through Waikiki

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and he brought quite a number of Pearl Harbor survivors.

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It'll be the last trip that they're making.

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I'm talking about the Greatest Generation Foundation.

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They've got it paid for everything.

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Transportation, hotel, food, you name it.

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But it's kind of a working vacation, though,

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because we visited all the military operations,

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had memorials at a number of them.

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Went to three schools and talked with the kids,

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you know, students in school.

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So, it's a wonderful feeling to be back.

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Thank God at my age, I'm 93, I can still do it.

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I still give talks to schools and things

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and the kids just, they're wonderful.

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(mumbling)

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- Appreciate it.

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