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So.

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Had. Rather than starting with the
first question does the mess

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that out to left the area maps
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pain and suffering emotional
distress. So we.

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Oh we suggesting that people
be compensated for.

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Pain separate.

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And we are a number that's read
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He didn't get.

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These appropriate to recognize. The

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Any other reaction to this.

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The The man and this is
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It's at this time. But we do.

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That there was certainly is so.

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They were there for sure.

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Sit with a a three day and I was
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one but.

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One to acknowledge. That
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Was visit food is all.

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We're no so the makeup efficient systems.
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the she goes back to.

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He example mr. Feinberg you
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Uh one from boston protocol where
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what was covered that was not recovered.

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Different categories of injuries
and and basically rather than

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requiring individual demonstration
of damage or a.

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Financial loss associated
with an injury.

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If it was uh uh. I mean that to
get too graphic. But it was a

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woman and confusion and it was eligible
for this amount of power

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station and that that's what you
talk about forced the department

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of all it's.

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So. I don't know that the And the
the state and the were wrong

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were demonstrated. Uh and demonstrated
expensive they they wanna

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see that rather than I think most
the greatest compensation will

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come from those very direct were what
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And it'll be nice to that of the
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you can see it with numbers and
then the only question is do

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you wanna have a category
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No. The painted.

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As thinking that the

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I anticipate that use
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That you know.

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The. State.

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And I think we have some testimony
that we can get.

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A Obviously we have.

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One person and those that.

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And you get.

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Ready for the white skates.

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The And and we were.

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Operating and it closes somewhere.

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Is a nice feeling that.

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The military has claimed everybody
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bit more. Responsibility.

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You know to see the doesn't have
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Quit because I don't like that the
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a CIA and I'm gonna go take individual
bomb source the iphone

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my in this month period. So is this
a little more responsibility

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from the Military show.

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You do most of the situation.

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The pointed out the mr. Ng is reducing
and you from the june

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meeting talk about the history
of human suffering that since

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the that rhode island initially
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from pain and suffering and at
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so that it.

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When leading up to 12 years for payment.

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Verizon legislature the
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Out off all.

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And the same thing happened though.

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And uh.

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And why a Has eight yeah.

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Recognition a war that uh uh $50 to
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And you go.

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And by jimmy's for some plane in
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Those are the examples were.

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Stabilise basic not mentally Tennessee
offers the rebels. That.

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Which is like this to recognition
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the And he gave us all first
up to three the pressure.

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So I'm sure judge issued. We're dropping
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German reconstructions soul who
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that reason do it there
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What are its.

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Yeah no I got this.

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They do.

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The But it would be very. Difficult.

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Then again and the tuition.. So.

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So. The meat is to be hands. Then
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in that case.

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How many how many applications arena
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So. I don't know.

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Anyway. As a look at that said that.

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Important for eight and we'll be
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since very few States get that.

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India the apathy something that started
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Hey. Uh. I'm

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That's what that bakes that that
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race set the standard of preferring.

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And I think we've.

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It's going to this issue but within
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boop boop with all the bad care
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official for the Wall
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What. Can

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What's that the That this great thanks.

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Okay the Right.

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Guard really exciting noise but it
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right so.

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Tried to let the outside
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Yeah. Yeah her hair six um.

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Date. The The town.

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The there.

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Well. The the. And

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Yeah but for it to is a.

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We're good GOP policy.

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It's including retaliation.

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I asked this is an in now treat that.

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Which are you that there.

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Valley. As for like.

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The and Wondered whether it
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Should've defying this continue.
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And Just a better than that on
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i've ever seen that when
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Uh session a few months ago.

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And I thought it was
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Get your head around what is the
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occur here and and I've
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It might be beneficial to bring
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Construct that that.

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Department with jeans. Issue.

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Yeah.

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The Does everything here is
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And even more than just the definitions
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sort of up the hold message communicated
by this continue Amanda

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bought process that it reflects.
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The criminal retribution
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Some of the

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It's just made the terminology
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Items to the criminal.

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The just demotivate interfering in.

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The house.

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So maybe weekend clarified.

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That. Left a um our or at
least the. Terminology.

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Why don't they do we think that's
right or these just to civil.

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Violations under the uprising.

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I don't know or maybe that.

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Sacks highlights.

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It's Under professional. Retaliation.

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I'm just curious or any doing Iranian
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of the opposite it for. That.

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I But. Unlike.

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Right where it negative performance
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Valuation for someone reporting something
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When it.

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I think you have the article 92
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But nobody was provided as ever they square
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Those services.

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That specifically the Windows
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They're concerned why is it wouldn't
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It did.. Then.

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Then. Wonderfully to close
the door and laying it.

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I do think you'd be like the emergency
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Adjusted to comment on the economy.
Original question of that

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us uh.

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It seems to me that in comparing
the regulations that we had

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on a previous handout amid. We got
on this one to the regulatory

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provisions on the three services.

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But to me is it the army has formulated
its defamation is definitely

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probably air force and navy which
were more or less the sign.

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Them closed.

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Hoping to find out from the
stay up this weather.

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There was any reason they are rationale
they got from the army

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about why they chose to.

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These I different. Formulations.

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So. As with their decision
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What. Or is that the arc of it.

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So I did.

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So I got them.. Absence.

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Absence. The sweet. Announced.

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What makes it difficult not to head
uniformity. It seems to me

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that that that that was mop boy
govern unless there's really

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good reason to have a different
definition for something like

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this which they intend to be punitive.

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Like I was like about that so that
you can actually day criminal

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action against someone that it
seems to me that at a minimum

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within the department they're all the
uniformity best with definition.

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Bear of a different definition.
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For. We're a chart with jim is that
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the issue of previous session.

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No and I'm here.

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The weather was a distributed non
the materiel town are not the

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chart that's got before by broken
down that a slightly. Different.

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This was march 20 seventh of up this week
on the marched was. Celebrating.

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I mean I think you're playing this
completely right in there

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and very next issue is it that data
collecting. So we're gonna

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try to collect data.

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In this area like we do everywhere
else. First tried was a huge

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issue wished with the are speak to.

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Everybody should have the same. Definition.

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I don't know what the differences
between the definitions but

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on for the same definition among
the for services and taking

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map to the next step before going to be
comparing it against non-military.

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Data. Without a look at the a definitions
because it's crazy

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compared dated that describe something
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that's not carve in india the data
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the sensing commissions.

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It was the world set up.

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It. Well we even in whatever it
is we wanna look at the add to

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definitions and try and the police
be able to say compared to

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that data we have this day that AOL
was we're gonna have different

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categories and people gonna say.

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We don't understand what you telling
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When Once.

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Yeah. There yeah. Yeah. What.

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Oh. I do. Yeah.

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Yeah. Of the school.

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We're. Sending actions and
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Just one.

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You may.

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Right. Right now.

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The naked eye.

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The The guy on one all with that
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defect that that's right
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So the reprisals in this chart.

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The fourth red bark.

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Because under some definition the three
army get airports definition.

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I think it's very.

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Bidders with the with undid that
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that the weddings of these.. Bars.

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Bars. Uh it's. It's.

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You want the hitting to read what
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The Attribution crimes enough eyes
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or maybe.

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And they are going to visit came.

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Reprise on retribution by the of.

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I just that the work
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So I know I did.

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Yeah I just don't think that that
that that is confusing and

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maybe an actor suggest that
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That's the kind that that.

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Uh. Others so.

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What else do we have to
do aside from the yeah.

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The issue number one
aside saying. That.

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They need to be here that
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They've got love these there is
a proposal which definitions

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we prefer with that of having
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So I I which suggests that we simply
referred back to the department

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and have them and that there were
supposed to do it the first

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place but that an addict of the services.

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The worst the defense department
was required by law to come

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up with date uniform definition right.

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And rather than good that they
gave it after the surfaces.

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So you end up with two that are
pretty similar the air force

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and navy and the army which
years pretty does some.

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At least one one of the definitions
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since the me that as part
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It will be the responsibilty the
sector to ventures office to.

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Make these consist of one one point
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tension I'm.

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Is that the the secretary defense
levy going down by persistent

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financial services
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Present. And for a person on readiness.

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A Or energy plan were resting now.

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So the party in totally
it's more like now.

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Felt that plan that I we don't wanna
pretty that obviously it's

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and fun with this point so.

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It is possible that the is looking
that standardized in some

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of these things.

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Uh. I think.

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Oh we've seen the evolution
since clothes.

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Never lived here.

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Uh and and so with it and it services
response isn't supposed

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to work and and Serious ongoing
ever prosecuted.

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Well. Policy for dealing with the
So thats getting my dates.

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In the As wide 14 NBA.

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Secretary depends is your
heart's set before.

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When was the The white working.

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And be a.

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Or that ended.

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So. December 20 third.

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And we're a year in a hand later.

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And they know uniform Stan.

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Isn't that i've.. Base.

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Base. See he.

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Happy. I So that was.

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And that was.

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And This.

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Can you deserve.

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Yeah. Come on.

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And all.

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That. They seem very very little
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So. And that it was.

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I think so.

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Yeah I. Mean.

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All of these as this.

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The Well that it doesn't really help
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by law was canceled the standard.

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That's the thing.

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We know engine wide to
dance and good thing.

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And these terms are supposed to be.

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Uniformly. Defy.

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Or wait a minute.

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Was there in that that I as Ivory
visit maybe a lot. So there

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was no requirement.

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That baby it accorded a baby it
is that I'm the question for

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us is where they should be uniformity
that that that that that

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the the of the was then
good to have four.

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The heart.

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That beautiful thing that that mission.

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I also don't think been in that.

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Context to the military.

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Uh known turn them is to can be more restricted
may first amendment rights.

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I'm for all crimes a reasons like
that unity cohesion than uh.

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It's not just restriction space from
security those all kinds of.

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I'm a team um and that and organizational
reasons that.

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Uh there's a limit on a B haiti
that you wouldn't find in the

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military um.

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So I think that.

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Whatever the reason is that has been
I agree we gotta seen uniform

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definitions and if they want to
get to them by september.

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That's great maybe maybe the simple
answer is says the question

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is whether that.

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They should uniformly defined a
simple lancers. Yes and we hope

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to see it by september whatever
the day because let's in-car

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isn't that.

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We're at a potions wondered that
to your question Madam chair.

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In section 17 of none of that acted
shows for purposes of this

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regulation recorder sub-section
may the SEC depp shoulder-fired

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retaliation to include as a minimum
and then it. Says paid taking

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or threatening to take an adverse
personnel action.

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Withholding are threatening
to withhold with respect.

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Remember the armed forces.

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But calls a member reported crumble
french and Billy foster says um.

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And such acts of maltreatment as
designated about the sector

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difference committed about pierce
by a member of the and so forth

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jones us intimate like the
ball was in just four.

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Or your and a half.

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And what we got or three different
surface regulations implementing.

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It slightly different. That's
just away ashes.

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But I can be missions on them.

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Well I think that you know I don't
know that we have the rage

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of they've already issuer for
be good just to shoot.

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A letter to the secretary defence now
orr reporting whoever cumbersome

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and said they'd been thinking this.

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Required it was than anything you
know was adopted by a lot.

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And uh.

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Hasn't been implemented period.

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And should be a little. Problem.

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So like one pair of rare.

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It was.

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Oh yeah.

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Thank. You the thing
is you might say is.

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Wordless of the war.

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Because of our efforts to actually
get paid statistic.

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Right uniform is room for just so.

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So we're gonna say in
addition to. All.

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Hey you get to that.

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Don't. Know what to do.

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The way officially designated
as a. Report.

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The Me.

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It was the reason the carpet
into the risk in. It.

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If we can send a letter and then
included a report. However said

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to set the carry the message that
is that the for the Op me up.

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I don't know that they. Go.

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But do we need to do anymore. What
I mean I I know we had this uh.

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A a chart that I think that started
it said it didn't figure

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I do I look for.

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A A. Wedding.

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A quarter we have I'm very different
sizes are. They'd.

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Yeah the move more serious
than the wedding.

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Be union the escalation from left
to right. Yeah feature.

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Um. I I think the usually is just
trying to create graphic.

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This this is modeled after the
says this acid while something

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after 80 a.

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Was once the rest.

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Yeah sure did beauty staffers created
and so was it was just

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acid can think rapidly represent.

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The escalation of nations.

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The retaliation for.

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Uh. Why are on the gives me.

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Clear violations of you see a
day on the baseline. With.

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The end of it obviously in the eyes
specifics it to us focus on.

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Three shoes that that
we can arrest yet.

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Acting and and Right.

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Yeah look at this as much
from a commander. Test.

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Of kicking and a trial and this
was a useful visual her for me.

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As a commander kick get by. They
love all leadership focused on.

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The fact that.

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All the things in the left hand side.

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The cursor to the things on
my right hand side ended.

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Some What the inside is it.

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You will mark job change.
If you're not.

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And Less of the senate a lot of people
that have fighting getting

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some. Don't.

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Which would benefit from the authorization
in and the like that here.

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Um but this was that.

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Pretty useful way to do this for.

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Just playing so we're not. Working.

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And you get the support
today to the scene.

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Which They scare. Yeah
it's time to.. Is.

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Is. Lawler with that like to see
the in that astor citizen.

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And supported by mendez
in the unit.

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Um. Right that needs to be in amplified
because it isn't just

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a when you perceive when you think
you're being and supported

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but did going out on a mission
nobody has weapons.

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That you'll worried the you'll gonna
be flown to the wolves one

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way or another I mean it's not just.

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He unsupported is little in it.
It's you know you need that you

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needed to support sometimes
to get to a mission.

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So it's not just social retaliation
gets it goes be a magic ghosts

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of that the cohesion
of the the on it.

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And and it and and your ability
to function man that I'm.

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Confidently and not be in fear.

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That the the one that don't get
struck. You're gonna get a band

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and Uh and you know so I think that.

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That's correct but does and the
blooded it's it's more if it's

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the Patent them updated the deterioration
in the morale of that

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that you've been necessary malala
outlet ayumi cats. It's it's

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got a.

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A a a duty component to what I
guess it's not just social was

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a duty component and away havoc
up already in the barracks it

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isn't just to have enough for the
among friends it's all of those

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things have.

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I'm a morale.

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Component. Said witching
member of a.

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Is concern that they're going to
be the victim of a fire or a

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hundred gets on my right hand side
of this truck that's not.

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So philosophers.

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If it if it happens it's on the
right in so I if they fear it.

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And it did tracks from a year ability
to function in that you

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in it.

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Right right.. Right.

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Right. Look Beattie ended may even
be in an express threat.

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It's just the see that in the social
auspices of my house for

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is this going to go.

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I can't sleep now because I don't
know how for this is going

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to go.

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It's again it's not a group of college
friends and they say well

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there are stitched gloomy from
the 40 but I'm just gonna.

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Do other things to that you have
to do things with the grill

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was built.

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That the what it's all about.

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And why some lost.

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The meat of that the
Perception that.

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Uh. That's not what you see
this is what was that.

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In like okay I guess to be hey
around looking to some we hear

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you lose.

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Uh. Uh uh but it would be.

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It and you know destruction of
morale move Morales said it's

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a deterioration of move morale
that sandy 80 nine.

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It's a iterations of victims for
a certain. But yeah right I

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think this can there's a you de
Decker wasn't. Yeah. So we uh

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it's this pot of beans sexual harassment
section allsopp continue

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and and actually the foreign landed
stirred. It would help me.

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Working place in the region.

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I'm still really in maybe we wanna
consider whether we start

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with a healthy.

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For 40 entirely and in terms of. Retaliation.

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That's really the asked
the escalation that.

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That related spring like.
Yeah. I mean it. Is.

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A by says that.

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The healthy.

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Reporting and that's right but I think
for what this was intending

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to I really like this you know I gotta
do not the sort of interpreted

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they your your Ex axes see or as I feel
good varma. Right. That's right.

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So the church your Ex actions here
that you Escalade up in terms

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of less to. Implement.

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What can also.

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You know maybe the the putting answers
that that the um but some

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of these eye.

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And that they'd be like that.

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The old it may be the you put that.

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You know.

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With that and worse either ahead
do that visually but within

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and can to.

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Stop them from reporting the within
intent to recant something

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or other this could become a violation
of the use the engine.

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For oh the regulation.

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Some had to be. Indicated.

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To bring it together.

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The Precincts a very good.

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No. The increase in there.

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Hun. The first yeah.

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Should it be great.

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In the in may in an hour or on non.

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Right I think the point I'm making
is that even from wide imbue

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merrier was saying that he and as
she read the definition that

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even some kind of auspices of.

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And be criminal.

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So yeah I think that even though
the seems to be like well.

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Moderately dad but that.

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Works. It's dealt with the criminal
even though it's over there

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on the left side edit that helps
you or me and Tracy to indicate

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that criminality.

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Meander yeah.

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Let it be.

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Well that's a different story all
I'm saying is that some of

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this behavior could be great.

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He in any of these boxes it's and
maybe the won all but this old.

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The tempe indicate that is.

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The kids museum.

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Greece bonds made that is that
clear to me right diet to the

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labels are clear right we can.

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Driving. That.

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And also threat the main I think
we need to elaborate.

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We're with. You.

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Today. What's the purpose of this
chart it was very helpful to

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me in just for.

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The about what those.

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Examples of the kind of conduct that.

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You look like.

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Susan or reprise the getting
a sinner next quarter of.

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The Johns when when the staff started
look at this and I think.

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Yeah the definitions
of terms and there.

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Are some very good and why.

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As the struggle.

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Our brain this sushi bursting
we've really.

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Uh. Some type of a graphic demonstration
of this is appropriate.

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So I think this is for me this
over the touched on the which

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are a lot of other things
that the fine explain.

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And and i've when I love that
that it is it's that real to.

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Jesper is.

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It's not charging language.
It's insane.

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It's very helpful to me.

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Ha anyone too.

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Early does matter when
you're like that.

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Spring. I mean I love I like it. Or.

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But we wouldn't wanna do. That.

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If you think dead.

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And a little dark some about among
the negative reaction which

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is not actionable.

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I mean debts not criminally actionable
which it say I think if

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I was a command up.

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And I solar that.

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Unit old giving somebody
the cold shoulder.

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I would say well I have a situation
a that I have to address

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it may not be criminally actionable.
But I don't wanna take this

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unit in to combat that way that
says that way because the guy

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you teens using.

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Actionable. As you see and shiate
action in your brain is right

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because you are several centers when.

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We talk about how he is.

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Leaders have a responsibility
to address E ink reactions.

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Environment it's a wine it.
It's right think so.

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Pick people will handle the automatic
weapons and that that has

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it been date. That's a get
these incidents where.

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They express it in an unacceptable
why everything is actionable

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it might not be too hard to bowl
under museum jay Wright.

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The show's ice lasik terminology
issue making just not use ian

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doing actionable a.

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Negative reactions were just put
that can mean general called

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late last cuz the can I and the
military has that power.

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Always to take your policy
action no matter. What.

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Wait there's defenders brave Souls
that to remedy the situation

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is all. Right.

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And That.

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You're a way that. Really.

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Fine thin dark.

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It's the that or in that.. Issue.

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Issue. Collection there would
be issued over. There.

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Day at whether ford data collecting
and reporting requirements

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whether ports an associate have them.

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Or retaliation complaints regardless
of type of retaliation investigative

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guarded by the uh to be collectively
tracked and. Reported.

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Yeah I mean they get that savvy it.

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And the great to be great.

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Just just back.

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Uh. You also voted for your
good right every spring.

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A stand of forty.

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Asked all.

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Widening accounting for all.

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No nation.

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And there are a lot of.

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Me yeah.

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Those details the I. Work.

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For later is no central like me.

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The Maker restricted Herbert
for three four.

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Why. There is no such thing.

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No. So question is whether there
would be a year the price.

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Salt and pepper.

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Nation. Work if there's an
regardless of a in that.

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There should be a.. Whoa.

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Whoa. Was reporting prices were.

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Different at. All.

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Service is that the you you to.

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Be and if we prove to be as a.

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She's of retaliation and the. Installation.

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It's very how those are.

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Hey. Uh I And the yeah.

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What. So that you
get wary. One.

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He. Is the. Guy.

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No the Case.

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Yeah. Right very What.

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General sense. That.

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Yeah that he.

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To. The but there's no that this
in other words if you don't

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have an official reporting for him.

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Added headed they know they've
been any follow up.

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We don't have to that doesn't exist
and the where's the event

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of good system.

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We life.

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For reporting is sexual soul.

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Can reported through all these various
people who then have recorded.

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And and what is a form and its track
and it's kept in a. No longer

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in a file cabinet but and some
kind of that i've jewelry and

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then information accessible
and so we can track.

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How many complaints were made
in the one that have.

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But the retaliation reports. There's
no formal complaint form.

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And there's no formal therefore
requirement have retention of

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these for a have that information
that a complains been filed.

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And there's no responsibility for.

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What then that the track with
the with all the Right.

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Rich. And The way.

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Cowley question.

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The. Kingdom.

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Me man.

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Sir a back to. It.

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An bearish. Were.

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And there was a lot clarity
on what.. Yeah.

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Yeah. It's just right she said that.

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The First the greatest of the That
they don't the spreadsheet.

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I can they feel the spreadsheet
they don't have.

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The documentation that the comply.

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It was like they can only fill in
the stew was actually actually

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what a more of a mighty
to fence charged.

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Another to the rose to a certain letter
level of of Carmel offends.

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And you might find it that way but
that's of that page we were

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looking at that's.

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That's probably only into that's less
than a quarter of everything

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on the page battery west broader.

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Right you it was not.

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And and something we used to
be a violation there were.

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Yeah. Right now.

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Dischi Sokol after so the light
of allegations of retaliation

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was everywhere.

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Okay in a question that I didn't
have the bad that question and

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The also about post to a unit of
a wanted was the that's eight.

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The good good. Good request information
on retaliation following

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an allegation of sexual soul or
did it just request information

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on retaliation in the on it
because it seems to me.

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The one always a will be able to
nail down an allegation of a

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sexual assault that was threatened
a didn't take place but there

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might be retaliation because of
that it was rebuffed in the bar

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for example.

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But then also you have retaliation
just close maybe in on mike

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somebody for some of the No.

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Religious racial or social
reason and so.

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I guess the question. I'm so to
be asking as a we looking to

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get the measure of retaliation that
we things inappropriate on

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the scale regardless of the origin
or only if we think it comes

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out of a sexual.

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I'm a Sexual assault a a two two
and her we distinguish those

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two exactly and the times some
of those gonna be discouraged.

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So thoroughly the attempted
sexual harassment.

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The abc the retaliation like he usually
you may not even know why.

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Uh because the person simply turned
on the heel and walked away

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from somebody and now that all
the persons gonna get back at

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that I mean I just don't ahead yet.

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Starting in a place that cyril.
Yeah it the direction from its

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initial data collection was for
unrestricted we were successful

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saw those are the only thing.

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To be managed.

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Okay good.

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Good. Question and I'm asc issued
does it need to be a little

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brought it.

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What this will be star with that.

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Baby get shut pretty obvious. I mean
what we have a couple categories.

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That's the easiest category that
right down it on the right with

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but so it seems to me that is.

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If they don't have a four.

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I don't know what that they don't
have a foreman than ever.

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A great deal lies system for making
complaints how will they

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ever be it track that.

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Just gonna be anecdotal to me with
somebody remand is when you

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get a 's them a question.

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So the case that process that is
a lot of it is for like a is

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a lot a lot of it is for a it's
the separate and that it as we

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see it.

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As A candidate we view with the company
for up out those cases are.

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The process.

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I'm away the. Several.

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Fit them and saying
that they are.

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Yeah. In some way shape or.

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That's a bad.

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The hat.

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Because of the way that
what they would work.

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I'm sick.

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The your diet.

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Good. Really very To soar.. Yeah.

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Yeah. For the case may
and I get out of. It.

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To does that mean process
suffer about nesting may.

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Require any a roll-up on a quarterly
or annual basis. So the

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two and a sort of the headquarters
level of the case management.

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It's Always says that it was just
sitting and I'll either quarter

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that whether the reported.

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And the but let me go back to
this issue that the star.

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The the stark.

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That's when when no complains been
fly out with the start has

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reached an out.

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A proactively in every a.

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Unrestricted case and find
out at the outset.

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You're right the vehicle and and
giving it to do it every hell

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of a good do it just once
that do it every month.

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And had of a record that
they've done. That.

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What should I guess our
question first but.

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And in the air force miles things like
that that of they at a broach.

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I mean it seems like very
logical. First dark.

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The asking this question.

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Um. So that seems like it.

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They continued to the more that have
that's working and and what

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the airports think that it may be
why be other agencies they've

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got it.

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But that seems to me it's pretty
useless. That's that that's

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yelled that you think
they should be.

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Some kind of formal.

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Back in the recording that said
Judith korea's day and it was

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no word to tell you that were
there was a record with that.

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And this are could also and know.
When day at that be unrestricted

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the When doubt that the and
be go if you're poor start.

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Any the restrict for.

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That the dark would know that that.

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And make enough.

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He was very good music out
there for me for more.

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Oh I think he I don't even
make that presumption.

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I think that the person who was.

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I mean the incident occurred for
the associate of the retaliation

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that's for the reason they
may not be reporting so.

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The time and that's right. Yeah right
over it thinking they that.

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That's at least of with starring
boyd for had a deal with the

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problem of.

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Identifying the problem. Retaliation.

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The and documenting a exists how
much exist and then also what

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the fall of good because what
you have a form recording it.

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Then I guess is darker some place
on the for me give that up

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to 40 this case may be it.

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And it was the said.

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She going to um.. Abc.

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Abc. We're a

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Right right in than that for me
right there. That's areas that

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direct have been date than what
do you do about that I mean he

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said banging on me.

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The best.

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Fall because she says.

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You know.. Castigate.

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Castigate. That's obviously doing a head
to do to us this. Serious. Yeah.

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Yeah. First for you.

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Now we have to get.

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On with.. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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The Her testimony ending.

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For. So I'm starts said just in
this room would start in and

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start to me either.

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Think. Of all.

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You know what brought.

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Right. Yeah. Days.

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Oh thank you to one of
clarification do.

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I take a look at this march 2015
air force directed that you

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referred to reporting setting
up this process.

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And the interesting dying one egyptian
thing to me about it was that.

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This memorandum said that this.

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That the requirement wants in place
that the commander had to

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discuss retaliation was sexual
assault victims prior to each

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case fresh from group was
being were send it.

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So they actually changed a requirement
that had the commander

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Roomba loop to one that did not
have the commander in the live.

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There's reason for that.

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It is because there's that privilege
that the commander and so

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they change the to happy.

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So we're doing instead of becoming
that there is a requirement

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of meander within 72 hours.

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Man slippers the commander
asked. Tell me.

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Resumes of where it's
like kissel.. Yeah.

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Yeah. Now the retaliation
prior to me and Me in it.

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So they know about retaliation
they acted something it and it

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gives you.

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You can only. Wait.

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Doesn't want. To.

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But just a fall what form that.

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What I couldn't understand from
this memo was whether that was

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in a requirement within the air
force shiffer look an idiot is

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a potential model to have the case
management groups they and

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say and all that information
back to headquarters work.

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They just keep it locally with
the case management groups in

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which case they there for some big
Bo Daisy really have no idea

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what the scope of a. Problem.

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But it's no good if you don't have
a foreman you don't have the

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fall of one of four and that's
the way to know what's going.

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Being used.

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Tracy is that since the might
think it did you get those.

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I Case hinged and the For.

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It was a lot.

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I think we're gonna start.

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Getting its in. House.

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Reports and the in it and
I would include stick.

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There's Maybe have starts go back
to the us about restricting.

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Say asked.

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Singing then accused pressing and victim
do is there's diplomatically

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is possible see if there anymore.

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A shifts.

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Care of retaliation and then the
question is and then that's

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real david.

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Um or at least we have to bear
to recapture mean I guess that

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of the staff for again.

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If they're so Arch do.

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And and that's where this friday
a question mehmet short comes

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and goes if a Summary of the
definitions of these.

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And the elements of them are all
I'm of the on the S them to

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check all of which of these categories
the person is reporting

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is that only the first one hasn't
said that a and that weight

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least date each of these people
of value waiting it.

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Well using the same scale.

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And we have something when we get
it back that you know one unit

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didn't think there was only so-so
retaliation the of Fort was

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don't know what to be we should
at least we have um on the same

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scale and we've got some you know.

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Settles finty to this sort of Myers
they have it could be very

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helpful the summer.

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What. I think.

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Camps in the Also reporting
as my happiness.

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And the the them for the they get
this form to high enough that

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they use the farm that has defended
to centralized location.

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But that yes there was a report
and this is the category found.

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The question I have is doesn't the
I geez office keep record so.

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That she is.

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Prize so right.

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But there.

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Through. But there was you
were in retaliation case.

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The entire than other it that
these are really important.

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Categories for victims.

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And I just wonder what kind of
record keeping and to stop is

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that because.

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That would be a third area where we
we definitely want to capture.

53:51.120 --> 53:54.400
How many were there what types were
of a work with the app comes

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we for you.

53:57.560 --> 54:01.720
You do orderly role of are
a lot was a us all.

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Prize cases are.

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Very limited tracking capability
a there we for.

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I don't I don't know that anything.

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Right back to ration.

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All. That.

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It's a very serious questions as
to the whole ici prices it's

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out and let everyone in any way
shape or form the heart is them

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into a solution that they've been.

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Identified the froth.

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It up.

54:31.580 --> 54:36.300
Kitchen and this is the it's nearly
impossible being a well run

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from a of the complaints
gonna go through a.

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Master chief of the message and she's
gonna get a problem solve.

54:42.320 --> 54:45.980
It's never going to become a command
position. It's boy of that

54:46.050 --> 54:49.190
uh lowest about the chain of command
double positively of the

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lowest level can can never
become a formal complaint.

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Mike collier.

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Sort that gained your regular um.

54:57.640 --> 55:00.520
Interview with the star of a cup
and there is only gonna know

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about that in the case. Man.

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Do the top one.

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Very confident in that you're getting
anything that things that

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had become formal support
scheme that coming.

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In the ici about that or you're in
a year the commander's direct

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pocket to get that pop question.

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Just I'm sorry which did not question
that we're part of this

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issue get out of all the valuation
combines regardless of tight

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investigated the 40 punishment
most of the news her.

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It may be commandos from what we
healthy they're being dealt

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with even but with the right.

55:37.580 --> 55:39.700
So all is a totally
unrealistic.

55:40.840 --> 55:45.060
Right. As you walk down there can
you get to a place here that's

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actually execute of all thank you.

55:47.990 --> 55:51.220
That that lets you do anything with
it just collecting data the

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vehicle that publicly
report stuff is.

55:55.820 --> 55:59.020
I think haircut pop had this been
doing that get not much done.

55:59.050 --> 56:01.360
So so what's that
out copper mine.

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Yeah. This sort of the time that
to be the you get the attribute

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publishing you see and jay results.
That's that's a box.

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The the temperature check of is this
getting bearers and getting worse.

56:14.170 --> 56:16.760
You don't have to have everything
to judge whether it's getting

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better working more hours.

56:19.310 --> 56:22.530
Part that something that's actually
achievable and it seems like

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get a starting point with what bizarre
share supposed to be doing.

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It you're for.

56:28.870 --> 56:32.880
If he's in that a model that you
might be able to apply. That.

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Right. Mentor a great view of at night
keeping track of everything

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because it.

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See the the retaliation it's it's
very very serious Prague suited

56:43.300 --> 56:45.730
is the major reason being given for.

56:46.400 --> 56:49.570
Yeah just thinking about being
the for in our on that.

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And so I'm just saying that.

56:53.230 --> 56:55.930
It is their way. I am not
use and like that.

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Reason for getting this information
is that this are given monthly

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reports bet that the were.

57:02.110 --> 57:06.240
Whenever this says julie be giving
public a report so that's

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the is less important than trying
to solve the problem.

57:09.460 --> 57:12.260
But we don't even have a sense
that the whole didn't mention

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that raw more decisive mater anything
and I don't know had difficult

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is to keep the record.

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You get the at the
start is with its.

57:20.600 --> 57:23.730
Falling anyway had difficulty
is that the the start to.

57:25.010 --> 57:29.870
Just to keep it to be right to keep
these records and then from

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the point of view the saarc
we can then figure out.

57:32.750 --> 57:35.650
Cool what's happened. What kinda
file of its they're been like

57:35.650 --> 57:39.110
that remedial actions been taking
making over media has the problem

57:39.110 --> 57:41.030
by white maybe it was suggested that.

57:41.660 --> 57:43.490
CM is it was cool to see him gee.

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The magic.

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Always been.

57:47.260 --> 57:50.480
Address there but if the promise
to resolve. So that I mean I

57:50.480 --> 57:53.610
think it's a lot that we could learn
from this but I don't live

57:53.800 --> 57:56.450
from the commanders with peaking
these records. Absolutely that

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I think that.

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I think that therefore smiles. So
like I'm like a very good one

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bad like that.

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First of your from the air force and
she had they feel it's working.

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And then maybe and the movie either.

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Services why they haven't
done the same thing.

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And and will silly is
the if it was if.

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They have to put it into a little
one that was the lech try and

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fill in a few boxes correct.
One box might be.

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The funeral is this on its way
will has it been on its way to

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the CEO is this or has this been
on its way will likely be of

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weight to the all age II.

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This baby.

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Pop some of those boxes will have
data collection without people

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having to go through.

58:37.820 --> 58:42.540
Longhand reports with someone's describing
a bit detail undertakes

58:42.540 --> 58:46.090
for ever to get the data and analyze
it is. Well let's that use

58:46.090 --> 58:48.020
that first mine. So all did.

58:48.890 --> 58:51.130
You know again take the temperature
or whatever.

58:52.630 --> 58:55.470
And and and do what I think
that sounds great if there.

58:56.400 --> 58:57.100
The so yeah.

58:58.880 --> 59:01.510
So for them. All.

59:02.750 --> 59:06.380
These. Were to be the The Right.

59:07.860 --> 59:13.470
The Able to get your forces they they
put it in working the night.

59:14.000 --> 59:17.000
The work so all of the
service doing it.

59:19.560 --> 59:22.110
Mr down guidance now tied
a record I they keeping.

59:22.640 --> 59:26.360
The records of of the number of
cases and what's the medallion.

59:27.030 --> 59:28.440
The record sums.

59:29.290 --> 59:33.800
You place your heart descendant
of one B all done might be a.

59:35.360 --> 59:37.700
Yes. Nothing since.

59:38.430 --> 59:41.370
You've got to try it
whole. Well maybe.

59:42.180 --> 59:45.230
So that was the point in the second
question to you because it

59:45.230 --> 59:48.980
looked like a good model except that
it stayed at the installation mob.

59:49.480 --> 59:52.670
So there was no way of capturing
the bigger picture just based

59:52.670 --> 59:56.240
on what I'd seen which is why ashby
de questions. So in order

59:56.240 --> 59:59.150
to use that model we would have
to handle layer of reporting

59:59.150 --> 01:00:00.180
does not there now.

01:00:00.710 --> 01:00:04.080
If we're trying to get a sense
of how big the problems which

01:00:04.080 --> 01:00:07.860
would always pretty big already
from the 62% reporting issue.

01:00:09.080 --> 01:00:14.210
We hallowed. This. Is to the
14 and of the chaperone.

01:00:15.560 --> 01:00:21.120
Some The But it beast zsa Peruvian
girl a statistical for.

01:00:22.430 --> 01:00:23.260
But every year.

01:00:23.970 --> 01:00:24.810
Tasted and

01:00:26.090 --> 01:00:27.120
Factual it's all about.

01:00:28.380 --> 01:00:30.790
Uh. I think maybe we.

01:00:31.350 --> 01:00:31.860
Now grown.

01:00:32.420 --> 01:00:32.960
Enough being.

01:00:33.650 --> 01:00:35.340
Several grades the said this.

01:00:36.690 --> 01:00:39.870
Data base to manage aviation
given that. They.

01:00:42.730 --> 01:00:43.350
All so.

01:00:43.910 --> 01:00:45.150
The framework there.

01:00:46.070 --> 01:00:47.130
My with this could be.. Lane.

01:00:47.690 --> 01:00:52.280
Lane. Certainly reach out the.

01:00:53.930 --> 01:00:54.440
Yeah right now.

01:00:55.250 --> 01:00:57.190
I think about well I
guess we'll let me.

01:00:57.950 --> 01:00:59.970
Thing. They face and

01:01:01.790 --> 01:01:02.490
Yeah. Sing.

01:01:05.400 --> 01:01:08.430
During the right there is this
system work in the mid decade.

01:01:08.430 --> 01:01:11.490
If this is said this to be resolved
of what it says with called

01:01:11.600 --> 01:01:12.210
the empty.

01:01:13.180 --> 01:01:17.420
Okay. Is a thing without one of
the results of this tonight.

01:01:17.450 --> 01:01:20.700
I think all you have to do is in
the room for that quote the

01:01:20.700 --> 01:01:24.450
reports a compilation of the information
on for what's and what's

01:01:24.450 --> 01:01:27.110
being done. I think we just act
as if they doing it every step

01:01:27.420 --> 01:01:30.760
can write them having to figure
out how to collect the data it

01:01:31.020 --> 01:01:32.030
in a usable white.

01:01:32.900 --> 01:01:35.530
Well don't think that a bill what
if we just going to accept

01:01:35.530 --> 01:01:38.770
that I wanted to like it nice to be
a polls system were headquarters

01:01:38.770 --> 01:01:42.720
palsy information uh not waiting
for people to de flat problem

01:01:42.750 --> 01:01:45.950
and I had a of course I great thing
at that they have to every

01:01:45.950 --> 01:01:50.300
months and all the reports up to
whoever this is the head start.

01:01:50.510 --> 01:01:54.060
I mean the head that broke person
that make it it's every month

01:01:54.060 --> 01:01:54.950
and they can pilot.

01:01:55.490 --> 01:01:58.470
Every three four months to give
it to be at whoever is a movie

01:01:58.470 --> 01:02:01.390
that carrie for personnel or something
like that they love the macey.

01:02:01.940 --> 01:02:03.480
Uh well you know that good.

01:02:04.290 --> 01:02:08.360
And complaints in this and as dace
and from like just a comic

01:02:08.720 --> 01:02:11.350
boom boom boom and that
six months later.

01:02:11.960 --> 01:02:15.850
What a cool said data from much
like we did the previous and

01:02:16.020 --> 01:02:18.990
that would like to see you monthly
data that out and I make it

01:02:18.990 --> 01:02:21.810
that from Puerto that's a what we
want as you mean comment liam

01:02:21.810 --> 01:02:25.940
on going beyond the story a to create
a system where those reports

01:02:25.940 --> 01:02:28.410
go up to somebody who can
say hey wait a minute.

01:02:29.010 --> 01:02:32.030
I'm looking at this is Prom has it
been stopped on this day with

01:02:32.030 --> 01:02:35.870
this problem is really and then
make the area or something like

01:02:35.870 --> 01:02:36.630
that and like.

01:02:37.340 --> 01:02:38.590
The thing was out so that.

01:02:40.010 --> 01:02:42.930
Yeah on it that actually think
that the fourth question under

01:02:42.930 --> 01:02:46.790
that under that issue whether with
retaliation data should be

01:02:46.820 --> 01:02:50.450
included that Walsh Apple forced
a thank that's that ties in

01:02:50.450 --> 01:02:53.750
very harshly that that this is pope
should they pour the responsibility

01:02:53.750 --> 01:02:55.610
of seems to me about the Right.

01:02:56.710 --> 01:03:00.830
But but it needs the majesty jerryh
report to the public that

01:03:00.830 --> 01:03:02.420
information needs to be given.

01:03:03.270 --> 01:03:08.750
On a regular basis slide to whoever
is all over the various commanders

01:03:08.750 --> 01:03:11.290
and can't say they not doing
enough on this date.

01:03:11.820 --> 01:03:13.480
In great job on that base but.

01:03:14.210 --> 01:03:16.850
What has to be done where I love
that's the kind of thing that

01:03:17.170 --> 01:03:20.770
can just wait Bren reported command
and my I know i've you uh.

01:03:21.240 --> 01:03:24.550
Yeah. I didn't but the so manual
what I said that. Yeah I know

01:03:24.550 --> 01:03:28.450
how diverse and I'd be critic of
the the and The thing we have

01:03:28.450 --> 01:03:32.420
to figure out a mechanism for one annual
reporting but also of four.

01:03:33.500 --> 01:03:38.100
Regular responsiveness responses to
what's going on looking wooden.

01:03:38.650 --> 01:03:40.080
Must be asking them.

01:03:40.610 --> 01:03:45.110
To get dated for a ice cores
them to have to think about.

01:03:45.960 --> 01:03:50.370
What's a good way to format this for
us how was it not to burden san.

01:03:50.870 --> 01:03:54.630
The jay peak. He wanted every three
months. Let's put something

01:03:54.630 --> 01:03:57.840
in place. Another what's when
we like to kick in Olaf.

01:03:58.450 --> 01:03:59.360
By making.

01:03:59.930 --> 01:04:04.450
The can request the the data that
makes sense for us but it then

01:04:04.510 --> 01:04:07.370
obviously they'll realize it also
makes sense for us to blow

01:04:07.370 --> 01:04:08.740
ices and people of chain.

01:04:10.360 --> 01:04:13.430
The timing of which it ask wouldn't
you like to do this. I think

01:04:13.430 --> 01:04:16.120
the chances gonna be we already
have enough to do it. We say

01:04:16.400 --> 01:04:19.800
we need some day that and
we would like this.

01:04:20.450 --> 01:04:23.760
Then they all have to stall what
moving in that. Direction.

01:04:26.480 --> 01:04:29.540
Yeah but I don't think we can put ourselves
in the position that. Uh.

01:04:32.600 --> 01:04:34.480
Are wasting the military word.

01:04:35.410 --> 01:04:38.810
I know it's all make is that was
five weekend. I asked that this

01:04:38.810 --> 01:04:40.470
information in a 's them.

01:04:41.780 --> 01:04:45.150
Right. About but forms they
have no we get a 's them.

01:04:46.200 --> 01:04:49.980
To show us what action has been
taken with regard to these you

01:04:49.980 --> 01:04:52.160
know the this basic
give it some some.

01:04:52.670 --> 01:04:56.460
Think the samples of what they have
done with for spot with respect

01:04:56.490 --> 01:05:00.740
to retaliation quite make a does
take but I you can't do it says

01:05:00.840 --> 01:05:04.160
we can use them to the monthly
right down reports that of how

01:05:04.160 --> 01:05:06.460
many reports that had been munt
build like three months.

01:05:07.630 --> 01:05:08.470
If they keeping them.

01:05:10.810 --> 01:05:13.990
The that that are not that they don't
have that it's you know that.

01:05:15.050 --> 01:05:16.440
Right. The tour.

01:05:17.250 --> 01:05:19.430
Right so we should I mean
that's why I. Think.

01:05:22.760 --> 01:05:24.470
Maybe this is incorrect that I would.

01:05:25.330 --> 01:05:29.080
That's it I say it's mating we shoot
Aspen the services to respond.

01:05:29.660 --> 01:05:30.620
From here in. Palette.

01:05:33.080 --> 01:05:36.450
A bit doing a bad keeping the data
Inc liking this day them why

01:05:36.450 --> 01:05:40.260
they shouldn't be having a form so
them um we make a recommendation

01:05:40.260 --> 01:05:41.570
the car were sweet least no.

01:05:42.530 --> 01:05:43.500
We're talking at that.

01:05:44.320 --> 01:05:45.780
Why had they keeping forms.

01:05:47.250 --> 01:05:52.410
Why they keeping the Track of what's
happened to each complaint.

01:05:53.700 --> 01:05:55.940
And why is this going not.

01:05:56.670 --> 01:06:00.640
The chain of to to the top so
that it nothing happening.

01:06:01.840 --> 01:06:02.840
Action can be. Taken.

01:06:05.560 --> 01:06:06.540
That makes sense.

01:06:07.410 --> 01:06:09.360
Bio I don't know does tomato.

01:06:10.880 --> 01:06:13.500
Applied G would love to have that
to be because the new movies

01:06:13.500 --> 01:06:16.900
to use jewel there that doing their
job. Well but I mean it's

01:06:16.900 --> 01:06:21.420
a vidal it's to season the getting
that stuff that he has to

01:06:21.450 --> 01:06:25.220
act on and say yes I'm on a pursue
this has a beautiful one out

01:06:25.460 --> 01:06:26.810
for me nicky doesn't get it.

01:06:28.190 --> 01:06:31.200
You know you are again the has to
go out and find it is a post

01:06:31.200 --> 01:06:35.080
with coming in the door and then
he's got a act on it. It's a

01:06:35.080 --> 01:06:38.560
yesterday nobody as do something
I think in a sense it's a relief

01:06:38.560 --> 01:06:43.380
it them not to be blamed format
proactively going up to try and

01:06:43.380 --> 01:06:44.060
find it.

01:06:44.630 --> 01:06:48.890
He then has just green coming and
I mean prosecutors get reports

01:06:48.890 --> 01:06:51.710
from investigative agents in a sense.

01:06:52.270 --> 01:06:53.980
The fat Burke is the one.

01:06:54.490 --> 01:06:57.290
Who gets the rocha what to reported
and that's one way to the

01:06:57.290 --> 01:07:00.710
back on the ports they get a pink flow
at every year it to use that.

01:07:01.490 --> 01:07:04.310
How would you know that maybe
in some agencies the eye.

01:07:04.880 --> 01:07:05.420
Very well.

01:07:06.460 --> 01:07:10.340
The that bit of my impression
from the testimony visit.

01:07:11.730 --> 01:07:13.110
As a Yeah.

01:07:14.170 --> 01:07:19.020
So. Let me give them whatever porgi
one but I'm alive in that

01:07:19.080 --> 01:07:20.650
doing what they should
be doing it right.

01:07:22.730 --> 01:07:23.560
Every action that.

01:07:25.540 --> 01:07:28.820
Here. I'm forever what
is your view of that.

01:07:29.450 --> 01:07:30.000
The white.

01:07:30.830 --> 01:07:33.450
I think that that the So.

01:07:34.850 --> 01:07:38.530
Right. I read the thing.

01:07:39.710 --> 01:07:43.610
The like you know as we've been
talking. It's every case that's

01:07:43.610 --> 01:07:44.320
for working.

01:07:45.560 --> 01:07:48.700
Um. Thing I miss universe
of cases. There.

01:07:52.440 --> 01:07:54.910
The And the of this person wonders.

01:07:55.640 --> 01:07:57.540
A concern restricted or.

01:07:58.430 --> 01:08:00.600
And through stark would get the. Information.

01:08:02.860 --> 01:08:04.240
It's through their studies.

01:08:05.360 --> 01:08:08.710
Um. I just don't I think this is
really difficult we now I'm

01:08:08.710 --> 01:08:10.750
even have a good sense at the moment.

01:08:12.380 --> 01:08:16.900
But uh of have the statistics are
being kept sexual Sol won't

01:08:16.900 --> 01:08:18.160
know this picture.

01:08:19.670 --> 01:08:20.910
He says. A

01:08:24.780 --> 01:08:26.800
I knew aaron might stands.

01:08:27.690 --> 01:08:28.740
This out to.

01:08:30.800 --> 01:08:34.320
Hints whining to see him
gene many each service.

01:08:35.370 --> 01:08:39.740
A a friendly that might be willing
to take a look at those forests

01:08:40.130 --> 01:08:43.950
and see if this help them in a
way to give a syrup or did he

01:08:43.950 --> 01:08:44.620
ended the month.

01:08:46.040 --> 01:08:50.320
Or and I'm not a posting asking the
services to command and tell

01:08:50.320 --> 01:08:52.300
us how they viewed the sea in june.

01:08:52.930 --> 01:08:55.780
Working and rather it's
the body that can like.

01:08:56.550 --> 01:08:57.570
I just I'm just not.

01:08:58.280 --> 01:09:02.040
That's how you are seeing she can
collect anything less is the

01:09:02.090 --> 01:09:05.500
pizza they Ivory. I agree
that somebody has to be.

01:09:06.270 --> 01:09:10.470
Yeah. I am a piece of an Ivy piece
of paper and that was that

01:09:10.470 --> 01:09:14.090
of it in the brice that so whether
it's a computer Racker.

01:09:15.130 --> 01:09:16.030
Yeah paper actor.

01:09:16.850 --> 01:09:20.440
So somebody at some point has to
be created document. I don't

01:09:20.440 --> 01:09:23.090
know have a what kind of records
they keep it these.

01:09:25.310 --> 01:09:27.350
It. As maybe they doubt. That.

01:09:32.210 --> 01:09:34.720
I think that that the issue
with is is that.

01:09:35.330 --> 01:09:39.390
That just has see Ng is do what
they regard sharp. But what is

01:09:39.420 --> 01:09:42.780
the record keeping that can as
we know that I do keep records

01:09:43.180 --> 01:09:46.620
of sexual assault family said the
with their afforded me where

01:09:46.620 --> 01:09:47.370
were these can.

01:09:48.230 --> 01:09:49.360
Sexual sold. Report.

01:09:53.780 --> 01:09:54.760
That's the day to. Be.

01:09:58.300 --> 01:09:59.960
Okay so this is dedicated.

01:10:00.730 --> 01:10:03.230
Computer eyes system
or today that they.

01:10:03.790 --> 01:10:06.310
Were marred by can do
I was never work in.

01:10:07.200 --> 01:10:08.880
Once the victim makes to forty.

01:10:10.710 --> 01:10:13.020
Right ways works you like.

01:10:14.690 --> 01:10:15.100
Twenty nine.

01:10:18.200 --> 01:10:20.940
Good. That mean.. Ball.

01:10:22.080 --> 01:10:28.020
Ball. But once it's in that system
and it's in that this done.

01:10:29.600 --> 01:10:32.840
And the of incomparable for the floaty.

01:10:33.410 --> 01:10:37.870
Looking for work. Yeah and there
was one thing in the holy work

01:10:37.960 --> 01:10:41.420
that is actually about the successful
and that is which means

01:10:41.810 --> 01:10:42.470
that the marriages.

01:10:43.460 --> 01:10:47.370
Boxes. Having to see if there that.

01:10:47.900 --> 01:10:49.840
One of the pieces
of no this is.

01:10:50.360 --> 01:10:52.290
Good. Forward. Tally.

01:10:54.150 --> 01:10:55.240
That's You know.

01:10:55.820 --> 01:10:57.340
What. A B.

01:10:58.480 --> 01:11:00.970
Star the I see.

01:11:01.800 --> 01:11:02.760
You know every so.

01:11:03.450 --> 01:11:05.790
Even. The All.

01:11:06.830 --> 01:11:09.010
Retain between the lines here.

01:11:09.860 --> 01:11:13.420
Debt de debt that that that a we
sort of about I'm hearing that

01:11:13.420 --> 01:11:17.210
maybe on dad form is that a
making the whole no system.

01:11:17.820 --> 01:11:19.100
The form should say.

01:11:20.120 --> 01:11:21.640
You have a place than they are.

01:11:22.220 --> 01:11:25.620
I've already experienced Ridge allegation
and collected at the

01:11:25.620 --> 01:11:31.130
same time. If I collect the data
on bank robberies at the and

01:11:31.130 --> 01:11:33.790
emma one data on how many would
done with the bottom. I have

01:11:33.790 --> 01:11:36.820
it on the same for the right but
what happened that day one.

01:11:37.770 --> 01:11:40.920
But what Evans date 10 when they
never retaliate low. The verses

01:11:41.040 --> 01:11:44.050
didn't have a film and the system
you look up the former to modify.

01:11:44.690 --> 01:11:46.020
Actor order is hopeful.

01:11:47.030 --> 01:11:48.800
It's a second one day said it.

01:11:49.650 --> 01:11:54.840
And that is about five or six pages long
a date of all that captures everything.

01:11:54.840 --> 01:11:57.370
You're required to capture
essentially icon was.

01:11:58.320 --> 01:12:01.700
Data. A very long full. That has.

01:12:02.220 --> 01:12:04.920
They get what he doesn't have
it it it it that people.

01:12:05.690 --> 01:12:09.000
Is that he represented by
SCC working for see.

01:12:09.520 --> 01:12:13.540
Us it has about every other thing
off after the weather all those

01:12:13.540 --> 01:12:16.080
things actually being captured
and being injured in that the

01:12:16.080 --> 01:12:16.710
said they that.

01:12:17.540 --> 01:12:20.330
Here. It just the other
day to one for you.

01:12:20.920 --> 01:12:24.370
That is one of those are the
bones and is essential full.

01:12:25.590 --> 01:12:26.850
There's another of rhino.

01:12:27.410 --> 01:12:29.040
That is the people opportunity.

01:12:30.130 --> 01:12:34.970
Organization that dies sexual harassment
and discrimination to

01:12:35.020 --> 01:12:36.750
all the main and I want.

01:12:37.520 --> 01:12:38.180
I use.

01:12:39.000 --> 01:12:39.730
With that in your.

01:12:40.260 --> 01:12:42.840
They had it for you
what they are.

01:12:43.460 --> 01:12:44.680
Work. Look for.

01:12:45.350 --> 01:12:50.020
Um as another option rewarding existing
reporting that the down

01:12:50.070 --> 01:12:52.800
there and it is extensively
reported. Attractive.

01:12:55.380 --> 01:12:58.910
The idea of something that's think
debt for social retaliation.

01:12:59.960 --> 01:13:00.290
The ear.

01:13:00.820 --> 01:13:02.760
Why he was resolution that these.

01:13:03.570 --> 01:13:05.940
That's similar to which was
the in sexual harassment.

01:13:06.960 --> 01:13:08.240
It's too alright.. Okay.

01:13:08.300 --> 01:13:14.770
Okay. So just as another. Date.

01:13:17.480 --> 01:13:20.440
Most referred to show the sun Alert's
forced to it and closer

01:13:20.540 --> 01:13:24.750
to the And the elderly. Yeah dating
before taking another where's

01:13:24.750 --> 01:13:29.250
person reported as of a the yossi complain.
But also as the followup

01:13:29.250 --> 01:13:29.690
to. Death.

01:13:32.770 --> 01:13:36.080
That's right so they work that that
if you go to the yossi with

01:13:36.080 --> 01:13:39.360
sexual us all the meat for you to
the store and the start with

01:13:39.720 --> 01:13:41.160
section brass with them for you.

01:13:41.830 --> 01:13:42.400
To india.

01:13:44.030 --> 01:13:48.000
So very operating each other's.
Universe is that they have a

01:13:48.220 --> 01:13:51.990
great that does the to sexual harassment
could be retaliation

01:13:52.020 --> 01:13:55.850
if those sexual soldiers autumns.
I hear wire. Yeah sex aggressive.

01:13:55.850 --> 01:14:02.150
So they could. They could
relate to it. Okay.

01:14:03.410 --> 01:14:05.540
Right. What the

01:14:06.890 --> 01:14:11.530
I Which in which case you overpriced gets
for reporting sexual harassment.

01:14:11.850 --> 01:14:13.530
Thank you quote that I G.

01:14:14.480 --> 01:14:17.710
Don't do anything about so we're looking
for a little bit integration

01:14:17.710 --> 01:14:19.590
is so and then they do it right.

01:14:20.510 --> 01:14:21.100
But Holland.

01:14:21.740 --> 01:14:23.490
A That. Possible.

01:14:26.350 --> 01:14:28.740
Yes thank you of machine
secretary carter.

01:14:29.300 --> 01:14:32.780
Back on may first ordered all
the services to have a.

01:14:33.350 --> 01:14:35.430
Hammered a strategy to hear them.

01:14:36.050 --> 01:14:38.030
Um by september first.

01:14:38.700 --> 01:14:42.130
One thing we can think about doing
is inviting the day a dish

01:14:42.130 --> 01:14:46.310
appro to command to our next maybe
when the generals snow was

01:14:46.310 --> 01:14:50.340
share back in april. According my
calendar with doctor dare brooks

01:14:50.460 --> 01:14:54.920
who issues senior executive advisor
they talked about findings

01:14:54.920 --> 01:14:56.800
and initiative regarding retaliation.

01:14:57.410 --> 01:15:00.380
And many of the questions we asked
him at that time had to do

01:15:00.380 --> 01:15:02.470
with this same store
of the issue about.

01:15:03.060 --> 01:15:06.480
What are you doing to get your arms
around the problem. So maybe

01:15:06.480 --> 01:15:10.500
we could thank about inviting them
back in september or october

01:15:10.500 --> 01:15:13.500
is as you like best to
get was an update on.

01:15:14.150 --> 01:15:17.060
How are they coming with these
initiatives and what did they

01:15:17.060 --> 01:15:20.110
learn about the strategies we're
gonna help they don't be able

01:15:20.110 --> 01:15:23.520
to answer some of the questions and
everybody has about retaliation.

01:15:24.920 --> 01:15:27.340
So I think that's a good idea.
But I also like to get.

01:15:29.060 --> 01:15:33.030
Services or somebody to talk to us
about how they are recording.

01:15:33.670 --> 01:15:37.000
The retaliate unjust that to be
addicted to buy disorders it

01:15:37.000 --> 01:15:40.270
could be a camel composed of those
two that the server stripper

01:15:40.270 --> 01:15:43.510
centers was age start recess someone
who has the comparable job

01:15:43.940 --> 01:15:45.630
solely charters the air force.

01:15:46.250 --> 01:15:51.200
More like an added a model right now
a chic gum and worker representative

01:15:51.200 --> 01:15:53.310
rushed boasts plucked of
something like that.

01:15:53.840 --> 01:15:57.410
It seems likely also that the a
strategy will include what they

01:15:57.410 --> 01:15:58.880
do one in what they propose to do.

01:16:00.170 --> 01:16:02.560
Goes and uh I would suspect that
what they really don't want

01:16:02.560 --> 01:16:04.390
is a lot. I helpful much get right.

01:16:04.970 --> 01:16:07.110
So if they can monarch for you.

01:16:09.070 --> 01:16:12.120
So it's like income convince is
that they are that they have

01:16:12.120 --> 01:16:15.650
a good plan and that they're they're
on top of it then that may

01:16:15.650 --> 01:16:18.440
help was a lot in terms of form
later on recommendations for

01:16:18.440 --> 01:16:21.050
get mating kurt. The main perched
them perform like theirs.

01:16:22.780 --> 01:16:24.330
A dash of that's the way that.

01:16:25.670 --> 01:16:29.090
The power and that's gonna be a
good to number three which is

01:16:29.120 --> 01:16:31.240
whether exactly at 11 o'clock.

01:16:32.150 --> 01:16:35.470
Like. Hey issued three.

01:16:37.470 --> 01:16:42.700
Um. What practices the dead applied
by said dick matter expert

01:16:42.700 --> 01:16:45.120
should be recommended to
the military to like.

01:16:46.190 --> 01:16:50.190
I did the of the shit Baptist that
this was a workplace sexual

01:16:50.190 --> 01:16:51.130
harassment daddy.

01:16:51.650 --> 01:16:52.850
Have back to meet. You.

01:16:58.880 --> 01:17:00.310
The collective that. That.

01:17:06.550 --> 01:17:12.020
Uh you weren't than
that. Again.

01:17:17.820 --> 01:17:21.960
Uh. Usher april meeting.
You heard from hot.

01:17:23.030 --> 01:17:23.830
And the next.

01:17:25.690 --> 01:17:26.690
At All.

01:17:28.150 --> 01:17:30.150
Right is the Yeah and uh.

01:17:31.820 --> 01:17:32.220
But wait.

01:17:33.200 --> 01:17:34.690
And the issues of the

01:17:36.680 --> 01:17:39.400
Harassment and retaliation way.

01:17:41.810 --> 01:17:41.950
Work.. The

01:17:42.820 --> 01:17:47.660
The And for it.

01:17:48.290 --> 01:17:50.990
Start the conversation about
whether benchmark.

01:17:51.530 --> 01:17:51.880
The thing.

01:17:52.520 --> 01:17:53.540
About a

01:17:54.850 --> 01:17:56.760
That's all I which
beauty should be.

01:17:57.470 --> 01:18:01.520
I Um it's Uh.. Hey.

01:18:02.800 --> 01:18:12.210
Hey. Just just to a state the obvious
you know a jump emissary.

01:18:13.200 --> 01:18:15.380
You have a totally different
personnel system.

01:18:16.130 --> 01:18:19.290
And so the zillion sector for what
you have in the military the

01:18:19.290 --> 01:18:22.540
have the role of union. She have
all sorts of other issues like

01:18:22.540 --> 01:18:26.180
come on board when you're talking
about the civilian workplace.

01:18:26.690 --> 01:18:29.480
Versus what you have an attempt
on the altar environment so.

01:18:30.020 --> 01:18:33.020
Well I think you have to reckon
as a difference as we all do

01:18:33.440 --> 01:18:36.790
it goes mainly to at warm from for
example when it comes to training.

01:18:37.510 --> 01:18:40.370
A like this only information we
heard about training that takes

01:18:40.370 --> 01:18:43.400
place in the SUV alien environment
that so sense does people

01:18:43.400 --> 01:18:46.770
solely issues might be a portable
and to some sort of molder

01:18:46.770 --> 01:18:49.600
a context whereas others
by about that.

01:18:50.480 --> 01:18:52.720
About that would have to proceed
with caution in this area.

01:18:52.770 --> 01:18:53.730
I guess is what I would. Show.

01:19:01.790 --> 01:19:03.640
They are about as. Anyone.

01:19:06.720 --> 01:19:07.400
I'd I'd win.

01:19:08.510 --> 01:19:09.450
For um.

01:19:11.720 --> 01:19:12.050
I. Think.

01:19:15.550 --> 01:19:17.330
Center which was there.. She.

01:19:21.710 --> 01:19:35.830
She. The There.

01:19:38.090 --> 01:19:38.180
Yeah.

01:19:39.360 --> 01:19:41.460
And. They

01:19:44.390 --> 01:19:49.130
That they Here is going to
be gone. Apple.. Yeah.

01:19:49.910 --> 01:20:00.880
Yeah. During the entered the actor.

01:20:01.940 --> 01:20:05.700
As she given the time now we
strategies for resisting.

01:20:06.850 --> 01:20:12.680
Yes. She and He hated distinction about
retaliation as a psychological

01:20:12.680 --> 01:20:17.540
or be the girls experience for victims
versus actual gold violations it.

01:20:17.540 --> 01:20:20.320
So that something to consider when
you look at the chart all

01:20:20.350 --> 01:20:21.310
so I know you are.

01:20:21.920 --> 01:20:24.900
On what's actionable versus non actionable.

01:20:25.490 --> 01:20:29.690
The the academics at the centers
to study say a word.

01:20:30.290 --> 01:20:32.910
You get there when you that everything's
action which I think

01:20:32.940 --> 01:20:34.750
meanders with me that as well.

01:20:36.700 --> 01:20:39.460
In my not eat kramer
rechargeable buddy.

01:20:40.900 --> 01:20:44.890
Every every violation of retaliation
it any love all the practice

01:20:44.890 --> 01:20:49.350
which enron snow said in its competes
remarks out from you.

01:20:50.000 --> 01:20:51.940
He's. She is.

01:20:54.150 --> 01:20:57.230
The same to me like the big crossover
poured between to what

01:20:57.230 --> 01:21:00.550
julie said in what many of the
commander said is that you've

01:21:00.550 --> 01:21:02.330
got to create a climate of trust.

01:21:02.850 --> 01:21:06.830
And those two factors that you identified
india been of she identified

01:21:07.260 --> 01:21:10.060
were essential to creating trust
because if you believe that

01:21:10.060 --> 01:21:13.020
if you file a report and there's
something will be done in people

01:21:13.020 --> 01:21:15.800
mold about it that we've been build
trust. So that others will

01:21:15.800 --> 01:21:19.740
feel more comfortable bringing for
retaliation and during that

01:21:19.740 --> 01:21:23.470
same session and the one afterwards
we talk to military commanders

01:21:23.470 --> 01:21:26.230
about trust and the importance
of building truss. So a lot of

01:21:26.270 --> 01:21:29.320
made that's one element that is seems
to me a policy Wlliam both

01:21:29.350 --> 01:21:32.260
the civilian sector in
the milk or shut. Oh.

01:21:36.470 --> 01:21:38.890
Well. Yeah what other
things that I.

01:21:39.530 --> 01:21:44.680
As a as many for me a why is
the extent to which them.

01:21:45.440 --> 01:21:49.260
I nation manifests of people jobs
showing on a server giving

01:21:49.260 --> 01:21:50.530
and that to be you should.

01:21:51.380 --> 01:21:57.020
Calibration uh how people think
about um thick of isolation and

01:21:57.160 --> 01:21:59.710
that the Acted. Um.

01:22:01.970 --> 01:22:04.060
Behavior it made that just be.

01:22:04.620 --> 01:22:06.650
Isolating people and that
those are things that.

01:22:07.930 --> 01:22:11.220
Uh and I knew I look for the things
that become criminalised

01:22:11.250 --> 01:22:12.290
uh and uh.

01:22:13.570 --> 01:22:14.740
That was a very tight.

01:22:17.270 --> 01:22:19.080
To your point about the. Psychological.

01:22:25.040 --> 01:22:29.400
Was a something specific we can
Kate and I mean I think in a

01:22:29.400 --> 01:22:29.710
way to.

01:22:30.440 --> 01:22:30.750
He is.

01:22:31.330 --> 01:22:34.160
Look at the best practices that
we uh to be looking at the best

01:22:34.160 --> 01:22:37.140
practices that really the
diet look like but.

01:22:37.690 --> 01:22:41.110
The defending specific that we
shoot drive their attention to

01:22:41.140 --> 01:22:42.010
promote we've heard.

01:22:43.670 --> 01:22:44.360
I. Uh.

01:22:50.490 --> 01:22:54.380
What are you rated get to
read this buying the a.

01:22:54.960 --> 01:22:56.090
Activity in saying.

01:22:57.830 --> 01:23:03.140
Good we use the And a report they have
not that I'm not a mies reporting.

01:23:04.190 --> 01:23:08.390
It's So happens that.

01:23:10.940 --> 01:23:14.080
That's building a back and uh
we take this. Seriously.

01:23:18.500 --> 01:23:24.020
And It's The sort of training around
that continued say that

01:23:24.020 --> 01:23:25.490
the golden brown.

01:23:27.190 --> 01:23:28.940
Leadership awareness of a.

01:23:30.490 --> 01:23:33.960
Yeah suzanne like and Your. Why.

01:23:38.540 --> 01:23:39.640
Very nice Thursday.

01:23:41.080 --> 01:23:47.290
And that of than I think that the
Not my E a fine tuning of this

01:23:47.290 --> 01:23:49.550
question is that it would be.

01:23:50.220 --> 01:23:51.990
It to look at best practices.

01:23:52.600 --> 01:23:55.520
Uh from civilian. Workplace.

01:23:56.220 --> 01:24:02.080
A a situations that involve a large
organizations whether based

01:24:02.080 --> 01:24:05.550
quote break. What university chris
because those are the ones

01:24:05.550 --> 01:24:06.790
that are a little closer.

01:24:07.350 --> 01:24:10.280
To the military they're a little
more all-encompassing people

01:24:10.310 --> 01:24:13.990
wanna stay in the operation will
that I stay in the university

01:24:14.470 --> 01:24:16.930
and so both of those situations.

01:24:17.510 --> 01:24:22.830
Included component of the time and
going relationships that will

01:24:22.860 --> 01:24:26.550
result whether we're to profess
a they don't wanna fiat because

01:24:26.550 --> 01:24:30.570
there are allegations for whether
it's a of the lead scientist

01:24:30.570 --> 01:24:36.020
ian a big corporation who is important
to bear products um you

01:24:36.020 --> 01:24:38.150
get a better feeling for the ongoing.

01:24:38.690 --> 01:24:42.110
Um as the way they have to deal
with the ongoing affect and I

01:24:42.110 --> 01:24:45.350
think bills will be a little more
helpful to us than jesse.

01:24:46.090 --> 01:24:47.500
If we just will be universal.

01:24:48.280 --> 01:24:51.300
Camel situation include a lot
of it and and way out.

01:24:51.920 --> 01:24:55.870
People don't worry about the ongoing
affect on the whole organization

01:24:56.240 --> 01:25:00.210
and these people knew from wants
to leave their situation where

01:25:00.210 --> 01:25:01.160
they crossed. Carts.

01:25:04.110 --> 01:25:05.690
The thing I tracking your thing.

01:25:07.430 --> 01:25:08.710
Locked up in the river.

01:25:10.350 --> 01:25:16.520
Visit it everybody's struggling away
is sort of um very people event.

01:25:17.690 --> 01:25:19.110
We know the university's a. Struggling.

01:25:21.350 --> 01:25:22.820
Sort of an on going
dialogue your.

01:25:28.770 --> 01:25:31.460
Valuable. Yeah she. Is.

01:25:32.960 --> 01:25:37.200
Yeah. Patient it's me
giving me.. Yeah.

01:25:40.150 --> 01:25:44.620
Yeah. Like six years.

01:25:45.920 --> 01:25:49.100
Yeah and we've we've seen situations
with some of the most common

01:25:49.100 --> 01:25:50.570
corporations in this country.

01:25:51.210 --> 01:25:56.220
As a sexual relationship it. Maybe
not be harassment between

01:25:56.630 --> 01:25:59.930
top people in the organization's summit
the next level that people

01:25:59.930 --> 01:26:03.200
warned that had been a resign date
because it just so just rocks.

01:26:03.850 --> 01:26:07.300
The boredom a operations that
even that's consensual.

01:26:08.060 --> 01:26:13.900
But not Open that it disrupts level
the whole place and that's

01:26:14.130 --> 01:26:16.750
that's the issues that would
that look and a half that.

01:26:17.810 --> 01:26:20.990
We have winnable things the military
has to be able to function

01:26:20.990 --> 01:26:24.990
effectively and the victim heston
know that it is an because

01:26:24.990 --> 01:26:26.600
they were more enough like.

01:26:27.500 --> 01:26:28.070
Two things the way.

01:26:29.300 --> 01:26:32.430
That's the question may this is
a view is still a question the

01:26:34.390 --> 01:26:38.030
But What are the things that.

01:26:38.620 --> 01:26:40.280
That the as I recall.

01:26:41.350 --> 01:26:43.720
Presenters to talk about
the importance of.

01:26:45.790 --> 01:26:47.120
Ethical I am.

01:26:48.020 --> 01:26:51.120
And in one day. No one
of things that great.

01:26:52.230 --> 01:26:52.670
With that.

01:26:53.420 --> 01:26:54.030
Have uh. Huh.

01:26:59.440 --> 01:27:02.810
The night that exist for 40 retaliation
for me the ball.

01:27:03.570 --> 01:27:05.770
You're not the victim
but you see recap.

01:27:06.920 --> 01:27:10.810
Uh. The The Right.

01:27:12.050 --> 01:27:12.860
Reported to.

01:27:14.330 --> 01:27:16.550
It's like they're a hotline
to the place.

01:27:17.770 --> 01:27:18.620
Come from.

01:27:19.640 --> 01:27:20.130
In fact.

01:27:20.720 --> 01:27:23.970
Yeah. I don't know of any of their
specifically dedicated to

01:27:23.970 --> 01:27:26.860
the candidate. I got
the impression. So.

01:27:30.950 --> 01:27:33.130
Army. The safe line here.. Yeah.

01:27:34.310 --> 01:27:41.000
Yeah. A whistle blower side.

01:27:42.680 --> 01:27:46.450
Yeah it's I think that was what issues
is that people don't know that.

01:27:47.320 --> 01:27:49.110
So and to a

01:27:50.460 --> 01:27:53.850
Toll and white maybe you don't wanna
go. The I G because there. Were.

01:27:56.650 --> 01:27:57.810
That's not a place.

01:27:58.640 --> 01:28:01.080
For for personal reprise all I think.

01:28:01.940 --> 01:28:04.110
There was to be clear to her.

01:28:04.700 --> 01:28:08.390
Yeah. The was windy we see from
the hop and things don't fall

01:28:08.420 --> 01:28:09.740
on the fight. For.

01:28:13.610 --> 01:28:15.460
The Referring to.

01:28:17.930 --> 01:28:21.790
You get get what's the system is
a maybe they need to be because

01:28:21.790 --> 01:28:23.610
this is such a serious problem.

01:28:24.830 --> 01:28:26.870
Tell us a series of sexual soul.

01:28:27.470 --> 01:28:28.470
A batting people.

01:28:29.500 --> 01:28:30.610
Boarding in dealing with.

01:28:31.220 --> 01:28:32.070
It's so great.

01:28:32.920 --> 01:28:33.430
Played here.

01:28:35.040 --> 01:28:36.480
Baby the issue.

01:28:38.600 --> 01:28:39.900
Pick them or just. Advice.

01:28:42.820 --> 01:28:43.310
The ball.

01:28:44.460 --> 01:28:46.890
Maybe it's that. Maybe
the guests are.

01:28:48.030 --> 01:28:49.400
The get that kind of like.

01:28:50.100 --> 01:28:54.310
The I mean maybe in the glove with
all kinds of everything from

01:28:54.310 --> 01:28:56.610
people really or do they really
think it's important.

01:28:57.620 --> 01:28:58.490
But the same thing again.

01:28:59.510 --> 01:29:03.060
Under 40 retaliation for example
like you but i've reporting

01:29:03.140 --> 01:29:04.160
sexual whistle.

01:29:04.810 --> 01:29:06.640
And people would start taking it.

01:29:08.420 --> 01:29:12.330
Hey I don't know I just throw that uh was
touchless all and retaliation fall.

01:29:14.630 --> 01:29:17.100
Yeah. Installation said that.

01:29:18.500 --> 01:29:21.690
Right. Not just the have 90 just.

01:29:23.200 --> 01:29:24.200
Very january.

01:29:25.290 --> 01:29:27.490
What's the worst which
is kind of place. We.

01:29:30.020 --> 01:29:32.530
And in they have the in the Hot.

01:29:33.320 --> 01:29:34.670
And then said Saul.

01:29:36.530 --> 01:29:40.250
I'm Home.

01:29:41.190 --> 01:29:43.560
No. This is.

01:29:45.270 --> 01:29:46.710
As the idea. I think.

01:29:49.090 --> 01:29:49.550
The media.

01:29:50.540 --> 01:29:51.240
The here.. Hong.

01:29:53.420 --> 01:29:57.710
Hong. Place in terms of.

01:29:59.990 --> 01:30:01.290
Quote of antics they're that.. Good.

01:30:01.800 --> 01:30:11.360
Good. So maybe a dozen a duplicate
the work. Place.

01:30:17.900 --> 01:30:20.050
We're a lower camps older.

01:30:21.380 --> 01:30:24.040
Great those are the the
ian arrays that it was.

01:30:25.960 --> 01:30:29.410
I'm it's basically the factory
earning acting out in show us

01:30:29.410 --> 01:30:32.930
into that held the in each of the
services have you the army

01:30:32.960 --> 01:30:37.000
values in your forces their standards
and ended with in those

01:30:37.380 --> 01:30:40.620
services you have your set of standards.
He was joe jackets you

01:30:40.620 --> 01:30:42.400
have you were students on.

01:30:44.540 --> 01:30:46.520
It's the bars comes down right.

01:30:47.240 --> 01:30:51.000
There's nothing really evade toxic
out from a new D perspective

01:30:51.000 --> 01:30:52.130
of how every.

01:30:53.180 --> 01:30:58.830
He. As memorable work force. So
the yah race that she tactic

01:30:58.830 --> 01:31:02.410
that we're supporting ethical be
eat your securing ethics setting

01:31:02.410 --> 01:31:06.110
beat sample to know the importance
of ethics and in holding not.

01:31:06.680 --> 01:31:09.760
Teenagers when he's green
non leaders that count.

01:31:11.000 --> 01:31:11.990
Action PS.

01:31:13.460 --> 01:31:13.980
I think that.

01:31:14.510 --> 01:31:16.000
I mean when you in the military.

01:31:17.480 --> 01:31:20.010
A So.

01:31:20.640 --> 01:31:23.100
The That's too.

01:31:24.500 --> 01:31:26.410
Serve it in the military.
Would.

01:31:26.910 --> 01:31:30.930
Pay. I guess all I'm trying to guide
is what is to clash between

01:31:30.930 --> 01:31:33.630
the the dead that designated
prime time.

01:31:34.330 --> 01:31:38.400
For its people who don't even wanna
talk to lists are very Chaplin

01:31:38.400 --> 01:31:42.750
or their best friend but who will
get on it and say this is what's

01:31:42.750 --> 01:31:46.290
going on and you need to know that
sounds so as being the telling

01:31:46.330 --> 01:31:50.310
you get she was sexually assaulted.
You know that's the bystander

01:31:50.310 --> 01:31:53.300
hassan something where the person
the sounds so we're looking

01:31:53.300 --> 01:31:55.320
for a good thing. I'm not. Sure.

01:31:58.130 --> 01:32:01.980
You see helpline. Yeah does
that doesn't do that.

01:32:03.230 --> 01:32:08.160
It's Me start thinking we were
that you know it's it's.

01:32:10.040 --> 01:32:11.280
I find the right. In.

01:32:16.070 --> 01:32:18.030
And the the wording.
So I think that is.

01:32:18.820 --> 01:32:21.740
The main cause of people were actually
data on Erin talk to back

01:32:21.740 --> 01:32:25.670
conditions that could be helpful
to haitians case. Management.

01:32:27.680 --> 01:32:31.200
And it you know it's not proof
that the would be a unique and

01:32:31.340 --> 01:32:32.470
stay and that's it.

01:32:33.930 --> 01:32:37.250
So anyway I had an ipad
says and I have to do.

01:32:37.940 --> 01:32:40.440
Yeah. Thank you.. Here.

01:32:41.720 --> 01:32:47.930
Here. The To. Say.

01:32:58.190 --> 01:32:58.360
He is.. Yeah.

01:32:59.310 --> 01:33:05.530
Yeah. So here to be like every everything
we we decide whether

01:33:05.530 --> 01:33:09.660
remaining educational program that
something that's highlights

01:33:09.660 --> 01:33:27.800
retaliation in training maybe that's being done
already there. Yeah. Is. Yeah. Yeah.. Uh.

01:33:30.760 --> 01:33:44.000
Uh. They need to be publicized
more maybe they may need to be

01:33:44.000 --> 01:33:45.930
change that he says without.

01:33:46.790 --> 01:33:47.460
In the room.

01:33:48.210 --> 01:33:51.720
And maybe I don't know whether any
of it is service gone through

01:33:51.720 --> 01:33:55.460
this to fly out music conditions.
It true that maybe should be

01:33:55.460 --> 01:34:00.410
brought you kitchen and the kids that
that's a great in a three. Hours.

01:34:03.290 --> 01:34:03.980
You don't know.

01:34:05.150 --> 01:34:06.310
The more how and so.

01:34:07.040 --> 01:34:09.180
So far away is a.

01:34:11.090 --> 01:34:12.380
Well we sing.

01:34:13.040 --> 01:34:13.490
It's me.

01:34:14.000 --> 01:34:15.030
And my work.

01:34:17.100 --> 01:34:21.260
Right. She is salacious. Yeah.

01:34:21.890 --> 01:34:24.330
Me. Let's ability.

01:34:26.240 --> 01:34:27.330
It should work on.

01:34:29.500 --> 01:34:36.660
The The thing and they think
they're stand to date.

01:34:37.210 --> 01:34:40.990
More in person and they she's very
than than I guess also fraction

01:34:40.990 --> 01:34:41.850
allies the data.

01:34:42.610 --> 01:34:46.720
Calls. You lose the more you double
count the more you don't

01:34:46.720 --> 01:34:49.590
count them. I don't know that it
would help for data collection.

01:34:50.310 --> 01:34:52.470
Hi I would use it as an to us.. So.

01:34:53.240 --> 01:35:00.290
So. But to us you just look
like a short break.

01:35:02.260 --> 01:35:02.700
I've met.

01:35:03.600 --> 01:35:06.270
The. I

01:35:11.840 --> 01:35:13.480
Hey and they have issues related.

01:35:14.860 --> 01:35:15.180
Hi I'm

01:35:16.550 --> 01:35:18.830
That she's at the just gonna be
after for a couple of minutes.

01:35:19.400 --> 01:35:20.910
In the doses star without her.. Okay.

01:35:23.180 --> 01:35:29.120
Okay. Oh it's just appreciate
that. Yeah.. Uh.

01:35:32.730 --> 01:35:37.490
Uh. And uh uh.

01:35:38.030 --> 01:35:39.060
The guests las thing.

01:35:40.120 --> 01:35:41.630
I think we can big yet again.

01:35:45.220 --> 01:35:48.420
Um. Excuse me can leave.

01:35:49.370 --> 01:35:52.670
We're trying to commence a Benny
but it's got things to say that

01:35:53.110 --> 01:35:53.970
please leave the room.

01:35:54.930 --> 01:35:59.800
Um. We were it we're just said
go and going on the plane that

01:35:59.800 --> 01:36:03.030
I have razor maybe we left it but
I just like to go back to the

01:36:03.030 --> 01:36:04.330
point of that possibly.

01:36:05.160 --> 01:36:08.220
Advertising more prominently those.

01:36:08.810 --> 01:36:13.180
Hot line that is that's available I
guess for retaliation complaints.

01:36:13.800 --> 01:36:16.340
And hallowed we've had
wi-fi doubted that.

01:36:18.060 --> 01:36:20.450
The will likely that the services
ideas about had a.

01:36:20.960 --> 01:36:23.000
Improve the paul publicity
around it.

01:36:24.560 --> 01:36:26.650
I Yes had that we find out.

01:36:27.320 --> 01:36:30.920
Today denied any did they think that
that outlines be adequately

01:36:30.920 --> 01:36:32.340
is set for what.

01:36:33.220 --> 01:36:38.600
We know hello sitting in
the distance. Here.

01:36:39.910 --> 01:36:41.790
Oh. Yeah yeah.

01:36:43.430 --> 01:36:43.830
That. That.

01:36:46.880 --> 01:36:49.970
The of Right.

01:36:51.130 --> 01:36:53.270
Yeah. To load so good.

01:36:53.860 --> 01:36:56.550
The money. Yeah I would
get ready for.

01:36:57.460 --> 01:37:01.950
So. That that is dragging
it down the

01:37:03.230 --> 01:37:08.970
I The and for.

01:37:09.750 --> 01:37:14.020
The the It.

01:37:16.340 --> 01:37:19.770
I guess we go next to the at training
programs that retaliation

01:37:19.770 --> 01:37:21.180
prevention. Response.

01:37:22.860 --> 01:37:27.940
The and For adequate training programs
in place and silly mr.

01:37:29.570 --> 01:37:30.770
No you had mentioned.

01:37:31.490 --> 01:37:37.760
The But the and

01:37:39.520 --> 01:37:41.700
What what else you wanna
say that this. Subject.

01:37:44.200 --> 01:37:48.810
Well I'm Just to get things elf
based on the testimony we have

01:37:48.810 --> 01:37:52.640
a bolt that was a pretty wide variety
of approaches and who conducts

01:37:52.640 --> 01:37:55.470
to try any and the material choose
to change the made that.

01:37:56.100 --> 01:38:00.240
There was a general leadership and command
acceptance of responsibility

01:38:00.240 --> 01:38:01.180
for doing the striding.

01:38:01.790 --> 01:38:03.790
That some of the examples we haven't.

01:38:04.640 --> 01:38:09.150
Included in Co leadership talking about
that not in mosque lot program.

01:38:09.240 --> 01:38:11.050
Master sargent Johnson from the army.

01:38:11.730 --> 01:38:16.030
Of began out I think as with old
training the problem at some

01:38:16.030 --> 01:38:18.980
point the comes whether or not the
people who are receiving the

01:38:18.980 --> 01:38:20.560
training art Tunie it out.

01:38:21.410 --> 01:38:24.410
And I think that that a and that
the service is made to continue

01:38:24.410 --> 01:38:28.120
to think of a and of lady than fresh
ways to present striding.

01:38:28.120 --> 01:38:31.860
But I think studied samples were
Saul with the slides and that

01:38:32.250 --> 01:38:35.800
videos of we're astor of you were
very good examples of people

01:38:35.800 --> 01:38:36.600
talking about.

01:38:37.240 --> 01:38:38.330
What did happen today I'm.

01:38:39.430 --> 01:38:40.730
And also the. Outcomes.

01:38:44.330 --> 01:38:45.110
Still yearly.

01:38:45.680 --> 01:38:48.900
Suggestions to make a final is
gonna sound old-fashioned.

01:38:48.900 --> 01:38:49.730
But that I'm.

01:38:50.570 --> 01:38:51.960
I've had tons of training.

01:38:52.700 --> 01:38:54.900
Hoped aged old and live.

01:38:55.670 --> 01:38:57.450
And yet when people say.

01:38:58.030 --> 01:39:01.690
Gee this is an issue was it about
um. I get paid the right amount

01:39:01.750 --> 01:39:03.280
of wages all workers comp.

01:39:05.010 --> 01:39:07.780
The goal of the place my organization
with is a bunch of posters

01:39:07.780 --> 01:39:11.570
stuck to the war from the various
places when they need it they

01:39:11.570 --> 01:39:14.920
remembered as a poster mega luck.
If us um what they were trained

01:39:14.920 --> 01:39:17.110
on two months ago. They
can't remember it.

01:39:17.670 --> 01:39:19.680
But If the is a poster.

01:39:20.540 --> 01:39:21.350
They find it.

01:39:22.020 --> 01:39:24.170
And especially if there's a phone
number one and it does not

01:39:24.170 --> 01:39:28.200
that every detail on the poster that
helps. So actually think posting.

01:39:28.930 --> 01:39:33.790
What were the top nine you know for
sexual soul to be and retaliation.

01:39:34.550 --> 01:39:36.840
Resulting from sexual
assaults. I think.

01:39:37.520 --> 01:39:41.010
Requiring something to be posted
on a common bulletin board.

01:39:41.010 --> 01:39:44.770
Even if it's not to launch it doesn't
have to be a gigantic coast that.

01:39:45.620 --> 01:39:48.880
But I find that people know enough
to call it a they don't have

01:39:48.880 --> 01:39:49.640
to have the air.

01:39:50.280 --> 01:39:52.450
Iphone they don't have
to have a code.

01:39:53.000 --> 01:39:55.580
They don't have to remembered that
you know what they available

01:39:55.580 --> 01:39:59.240
for the train did this so many training
events it be you can't

01:39:59.570 --> 01:40:02.620
even if you scribble down a name
on the phone number when you

01:40:02.620 --> 01:40:03.370
have it now.

01:40:03.920 --> 01:40:06.990
Banned unity to take those notes
witty a when you'll millett

01:40:06.990 --> 01:40:10.240
someplace the place. Um so
so why actually think.

01:40:11.300 --> 01:40:14.760
Making true what it's my I we heard
that watch a training some

01:40:14.760 --> 01:40:16.500
I think the great but I won a seat.

01:40:17.140 --> 01:40:18.780
In a little thing posted.

01:40:19.580 --> 01:40:24.570
Just like dad they post probably
ios see issues and complaints.

01:40:25.070 --> 01:40:27.190
Um and that little poster.

01:40:28.380 --> 01:40:29.400
I experience.

01:40:29.970 --> 01:40:32.910
Gets people get gives them and
they also don't have to go can

01:40:32.910 --> 01:40:36.380
fight is someone else G D. You
know the number that I do for

01:40:36.380 --> 01:40:38.730
sexual harassment and wanna
tell somebody else.

01:40:39.780 --> 01:40:41.000
Enough to tell anybody.

01:40:41.730 --> 01:40:45.360
Locally to get the number it's
about day at the end so.

01:40:46.900 --> 01:40:49.690
I think that that's if an important
component of this said.

01:40:50.270 --> 01:40:53.550
Prevention stuff and and
and maybe the answer is.

01:40:54.390 --> 01:40:56.920
If you wanted to get to. Dependance.

01:40:58.280 --> 01:41:00.990
You also have a posted geeky there
on the bulletin gordon the

01:41:00.990 --> 01:41:05.290
pxo the postal of this but someplace with
the dependence fourth so-called.

01:41:06.020 --> 01:41:06.880
And that way.

01:41:07.970 --> 01:41:10.360
If the person if it hands and they
were man but they go back

01:41:10.360 --> 01:41:13.430
to the P acts. They remember a matte
bulletin board does a bunch

01:41:13.430 --> 01:41:14.860
of things in the so match.

01:41:15.910 --> 01:41:20.780
For what it's worth as you might
non-electronic. A That will to.

01:41:22.730 --> 01:41:27.000
And the question of that this
is said that when the victim.

01:41:27.680 --> 01:41:28.030
Get that.

01:41:29.300 --> 01:41:30.710
Ah the sub.

01:41:32.930 --> 01:41:36.200
Ford. That are five basic
shoot for the Wall.

01:41:37.280 --> 01:41:40.050
May. Um is a victim.

01:41:40.670 --> 01:41:43.700
At the time as sexual
soldier its own way.

01:41:44.420 --> 01:41:48.600
Here. Hey Ma they know the question
is heavy varies retaliation.

01:41:49.320 --> 01:41:50.580
The pacific that.

01:41:53.100 --> 01:41:58.380
And it could be asked to says so that
it would be the cold shoulder.

01:41:59.170 --> 01:42:00.380
I mean they know that.

01:42:02.330 --> 01:42:06.000
I yeah it's something
that's. Then.

01:42:07.130 --> 01:42:11.590
Right. Or worse civically in your
diet as it is it's a newly.

01:42:12.530 --> 01:42:16.880
Oh ability to lead filling the Is
there a that were set a filing

01:42:16.880 --> 01:42:20.360
about what it's just as it is a is
there a handout that you could

01:42:20.360 --> 01:42:21.520
look can definitely.

01:42:22.820 --> 01:42:24.550
Maybe they'll be. Happy.

01:42:27.230 --> 01:42:30.250
In my head that might be something
very useful to you and me

01:42:30.250 --> 01:42:33.520
into a sexual assault victim like
give them you know here the

01:42:33.520 --> 01:42:36.960
telephone numbers in medical care
for me this them whatever.

01:42:37.490 --> 01:42:39.060
You know like years also.

01:42:39.580 --> 01:42:43.410
But you're right about the them main
and they should be something

01:42:43.410 --> 01:42:45.770
like that to the end and
you know who you call.

01:42:46.520 --> 01:42:48.610
In your your eyes were the day.

01:42:49.760 --> 01:42:50.030
In a

01:42:52.840 --> 01:42:53.550
She is.

01:42:54.170 --> 01:42:55.260
Serious danger dies.

01:42:56.600 --> 01:43:00.790
We've seen for an sexual assault
sexual surprises centers.

01:43:00.790 --> 01:43:01.930
We paces. Centers.

01:43:04.070 --> 01:43:09.000
A What the thing.

01:43:09.630 --> 01:43:10.640
Now that i've seen.

01:43:11.420 --> 01:43:15.050
Right. But if in in retaliation
the who.

01:43:15.800 --> 01:43:16.880
Would be in the thing that.

01:43:17.990 --> 01:43:18.520
Yeah right.

01:43:19.460 --> 01:43:20.210
But I think what.

01:43:20.910 --> 01:43:21.980
The two are saying is.

01:43:22.700 --> 01:43:23.530
You know it's all like.

01:43:24.320 --> 01:43:26.330
In an being frozen out.

01:43:27.060 --> 01:43:28.940
Or Uh.

01:43:29.480 --> 01:43:30.260
Some of the next one.

01:43:30.990 --> 01:43:31.930
You know before.

01:43:32.960 --> 01:43:37.070
And excite looted or
harassed or worse.

01:43:37.940 --> 01:43:42.410
Those are incidents you can you
should report no urged raise

01:43:42.410 --> 01:43:46.170
their consciousness that just froze
an addict things consciously.

01:43:46.790 --> 01:43:49.200
Is an Yeah.

01:43:50.720 --> 01:43:53.960
But I think that that that should be
given a may not happen right away.

01:43:53.960 --> 01:43:54.940
The retaliation.

01:43:55.570 --> 01:43:56.900
So of the person like that.

01:43:57.660 --> 01:43:58.930
The six assault victim.

01:43:59.820 --> 01:44:03.850
You know the stuff may go in and
of his or her here but If they

01:44:03.850 --> 01:44:07.430
have a piece of paper and the it
take to look get it later and

01:44:07.430 --> 01:44:08.080
say oh yeah.

01:44:09.170 --> 01:44:10.690
And I qualified is right.

01:44:11.300 --> 01:44:13.860
I think it's to get up and a
refrigerator or whatever.

01:44:15.080 --> 01:44:18.170
Um I get my is something like
that would be very. Loose.

01:44:21.100 --> 01:44:23.250
The any of that says this object.

01:44:23.800 --> 01:44:26.980
That gave it goes support resources.

01:44:27.660 --> 01:44:30.210
Whether and but they can support
research and they're like two

01:44:30.210 --> 01:44:33.960
assists service member civilians and their
dependents experience retaliation.

01:44:34.100 --> 01:44:35.590
They are poor and sick soul.

01:44:36.220 --> 01:44:37.660
But we just than a five one.

01:44:38.840 --> 01:44:42.020
System of their victims support
resources that. Maybe.

01:44:45.080 --> 01:44:48.350
The highly se season. The veal
seized eight debut this right.

01:44:49.370 --> 01:44:53.660
A continual more I'm from the sexual
assaults. If visit the follow-up

01:44:53.850 --> 01:44:57.850
retaliation and uh. Oh another retaliating
me from that go back

01:44:57.850 --> 01:44:59.030
line to still business.

01:45:00.620 --> 01:45:01.610
Yes feces.

01:45:02.930 --> 01:45:03.900
Just keep going.

01:45:05.330 --> 01:45:07.130
This period was all.

01:45:09.080 --> 01:45:10.030
So to be a.

01:45:12.860 --> 01:45:15.120
Another. Be a

01:45:16.960 --> 01:45:20.140
The part of our response is everything
receiver this for two

01:45:20.140 --> 01:45:21.660
issues highlights the response.

01:45:22.810 --> 01:45:25.860
Hakim about the stars
is victims council.

01:45:27.170 --> 01:45:28.390
The whack. Personnel.

01:45:30.450 --> 01:45:32.640
These suicide tea. No will.

01:45:34.390 --> 01:45:35.200
And see a was.

01:45:37.260 --> 01:45:38.370
He's an improved.

01:45:39.620 --> 01:45:42.290
I think those are the Yeah worries
of we asked for was.

01:45:44.320 --> 01:45:44.880
This that.

01:45:47.150 --> 01:45:48.040
The get really. Exciting.

01:45:52.670 --> 01:45:53.460
What it is.

01:45:54.980 --> 01:45:55.820
All all this.

01:45:56.800 --> 01:45:59.690
Yeah of Agreeing to respond to the

01:46:01.360 --> 01:46:04.810
They they know all these
values of I'd just.

01:46:05.310 --> 01:46:08.140
Like. The there was
this with great.

01:46:10.100 --> 01:46:13.890
Yeah. They are the SCC.

01:46:14.880 --> 01:46:16.070
He said the not.

01:46:17.290 --> 01:46:19.400
I Look at.

01:46:20.040 --> 01:46:21.560
It says should.

01:46:22.140 --> 01:46:23.380
They they changing gear.. Yeah.

01:46:24.140 --> 01:46:31.460
Yeah. We should try to
get that to show were.

01:46:32.650 --> 01:46:33.450
Maybe that's that.

01:46:34.130 --> 01:46:38.450
Thank you and then the. Wow.

01:46:41.040 --> 01:46:46.080
Can you will get us forever
see that. Right.

01:46:47.360 --> 01:46:49.350
Yeah. We're all.

01:46:50.720 --> 01:46:53.090
Yeah you should be this fall says.

01:46:53.920 --> 01:46:54.630
It's as well.

01:46:55.730 --> 01:46:59.810
Says. Process than your work parameters
legal systems was.

01:47:01.770 --> 01:47:02.100
With me.

01:47:03.390 --> 01:47:04.780
They should be a. Busy.

01:47:10.040 --> 01:47:13.540
This is just a question that my
boy in the room for issuer and

01:47:13.860 --> 01:47:16.140
uh and and seem to be no you're
right says a sick.

01:47:18.570 --> 01:47:23.280
How the person holder that the is facing
the edges of oral communication

01:47:23.340 --> 01:47:24.170
that they victim.

01:47:26.080 --> 01:47:28.720
Tell that put this in that you don't
have like a little brochure.

01:47:28.720 --> 01:47:29.180
That's it.

01:47:30.680 --> 01:47:31.270
We've seen.

01:47:32.320 --> 01:47:36.060
Well okay so maybe that would be
so they be really you know what

01:47:36.060 --> 01:47:37.090
it where you are. What.

01:47:40.310 --> 01:47:43.020
But I tell you that for a day like
a brochure where you know

01:47:43.020 --> 01:47:46.340
your right. So what you are you
know you walk into a hostile.

01:47:46.840 --> 01:47:50.650
Your right says a patient of course
what vince exaggerate.

01:47:50.650 --> 01:47:54.430
You may not be actually implement
but it's right up there and

01:47:54.430 --> 01:47:57.540
it seems to me that that might
be something look very I think

01:47:57.540 --> 01:48:00.590
you have to the event that is that
27 gentle might think that's

01:48:00.590 --> 01:48:05.030
all in may at but it's if studio
than when I see you and I say

01:48:05.030 --> 01:48:08.330
all we were victim here um I can
do something I don't know that

01:48:08.330 --> 01:48:11.360
it's routine training when they're
before and if you set the happen.

01:48:11.870 --> 01:48:15.150
Oh I am sorry that it is that to know
which one you're looking. For.

01:48:18.500 --> 01:48:19.050
Yeah right.

01:48:21.320 --> 01:48:25.180
They encouraged as the sea is things
on their own of this size.

01:48:25.730 --> 01:48:26.350
As a writer.

01:48:26.850 --> 01:48:30.780
So. He does the efforts that there's
anything that is foreign

01:48:30.780 --> 01:48:34.700
to way that is when that when the person
that when the victim reports.

01:48:35.510 --> 01:48:37.590
Yeah gonna be something that's
given to the that that.

01:48:38.190 --> 01:48:41.870
I know your right it's maybe they
know why this bc it that boy

01:48:42.220 --> 01:48:44.880
but this some things that you
weren't tied up with this.

01:48:46.430 --> 01:48:49.250
You are entitled to be free
from retaliation should.

01:48:50.130 --> 01:48:51.390
That's what retaliation.

01:48:52.100 --> 01:48:52.930
Two years remembered that.

01:48:54.040 --> 01:48:55.330
This bc years.

01:48:56.490 --> 01:48:58.950
No. And so you're entitled to.

01:48:59.590 --> 01:49:03.280
That of of now this is you know
whenever so i've in your bowl.

01:49:04.790 --> 01:49:05.620
It is a look like she.

01:49:06.680 --> 01:49:10.010
Oh I for the russian we're getting
there that was that.

01:49:11.030 --> 01:49:13.120
It's based in each were.

01:49:13.700 --> 01:49:15.960
He simply as crime that is set.

01:49:16.670 --> 01:49:21.020
Aires measham about commercial process
that third one is information

01:49:21.020 --> 01:49:25.620
about just so us buddy eats meta
data. I mean I don't know the

01:49:25.620 --> 01:49:29.810
last 10 27 and it's about dating
and don't think it's that.

01:49:30.540 --> 01:49:32.820
You see scenes for retaliation.

01:49:33.450 --> 01:49:35.890
And it didn't roughly the
parallels the format.

01:49:36.440 --> 01:49:38.170
That system us attorneys.

01:49:38.890 --> 01:49:42.630
A give out in every district or they
were investigate is to victims.

01:49:43.130 --> 01:49:46.810
That the scene which again as the
Pages fold them trade intel's

01:49:46.810 --> 01:49:49.420
move the context or in this place
on the front the investigative

01:49:49.420 --> 01:49:52.860
arrives name is now um but and make
handed out to every victim

01:49:52.860 --> 01:49:56.180
and this is not exactly the same
but the allied dear is the same

01:49:56.450 --> 01:49:59.620
of victim on the scene is gonna
get this thing and they won't

01:49:59.620 --> 01:50:02.500
be totally it's see they can read
it when I go home and that

01:50:02.500 --> 01:50:03.500
finally calm down.

01:50:04.460 --> 01:50:06.610
Right but I'm just saying that
that would be useful.

01:50:07.700 --> 01:50:10.870
It it's form had something of
that retaliation and it.

01:50:11.550 --> 01:50:12.330
The she said.

01:50:13.190 --> 01:50:14.500
Doesn't have retaliation.

01:50:15.690 --> 01:50:19.200
That's what I freight I frame it
in terms of what's your right

01:50:19.290 --> 01:50:21.000
and the as a bit that's a good.

01:50:21.900 --> 01:50:24.930
And you never right to be free from
retaliation years sit here

01:50:24.930 --> 01:50:26.470
at the idea of free from.

01:50:27.060 --> 01:50:28.390
The every is called shoulder.

01:50:29.150 --> 01:50:32.210
Threatening bed so
what ever. Right.

01:50:33.080 --> 01:50:38.260
Well. The Debate to deeply they say
you have a right to be protected

01:50:38.260 --> 01:50:39.000
from them.

01:50:39.930 --> 01:50:43.750
Right which means you call is something's
happened and in the

01:50:43.750 --> 01:50:45.710
loose way. I'm sure that
they would say.

01:50:46.580 --> 01:50:49.850
How was can that be understood except
retaliation event has occurred

01:50:50.040 --> 01:50:54.350
if it's your right to protection from
on the talking about intimidation

01:50:54.460 --> 01:50:57.260
for retaliation. So and I but I
don't think I don't know they

01:50:57.260 --> 01:50:59.930
use the word retaliation
but that's 13 version.

01:51:00.700 --> 01:51:02.560
Being updated says I'm.

01:51:03.390 --> 01:51:05.970
If you have I was at work because
of the crime are the best of

01:51:05.970 --> 01:51:07.070
the shooting on it.

01:51:08.450 --> 01:51:11.980
So that's probably more about you
work arrangements and things

01:51:11.980 --> 01:51:17.210
like that on but it still does not
list anything regarding um.

01:51:18.210 --> 01:51:21.750
They get to this council it does
list the federal prime steak

01:51:21.750 --> 01:51:23.040
and they'll write us.

01:51:24.180 --> 01:51:26.460
And the first one of those
is protection from. One.

01:51:31.480 --> 01:51:34.830
Uh that I have a slightly different
question. If the chicken

01:51:34.830 --> 01:51:37.390
and gifts like I just question
that has to do with.

01:51:37.950 --> 01:51:42.010
The inadequacy of our support resources
for civilians and or dependance.

01:51:42.740 --> 01:51:45.550
Uh you might call that we had some
very compelling testimony

01:51:45.550 --> 01:51:49.630
from the spouse of a service member
who had the assault did.

01:51:50.130 --> 01:51:53.550
And they preposterous isn't that
she experienced as a member

01:51:53.580 --> 01:51:57.550
of the communicate in which she
operated in terms of not being

01:51:57.550 --> 01:52:01.060
invited included and a lot of different
activities. But I think

01:52:01.060 --> 01:52:04.020
it's a particular Prom for people
outside the work in farm up

01:52:04.050 --> 01:52:06.460
the colors. The question of whether.

01:52:06.970 --> 01:52:09.900
She was receiving the right joe
and of mental help supporter

01:52:09.900 --> 01:52:13.080
counseling worse. You know it was
for deaf opened arm to how

01:52:13.080 --> 01:52:17.280
to do that so I'm not sure that
we have quite got a good handle

01:52:17.280 --> 01:52:19.700
on how we can help people like kirk.

01:52:20.230 --> 01:52:24.210
And also I was thinking of civility
and contractors in particular

01:52:24.580 --> 01:52:27.370
who are on an installation there
will more more contractors in

01:52:27.370 --> 01:52:31.180
the workplace enter civilian contractor
and happen to be a victim

01:52:31.180 --> 01:52:35.570
of one of these um crimes than it
seems to me that this support

01:52:35.700 --> 01:52:40.040
safety in the at falls apart some
white unless you have the backing

01:52:40.040 --> 01:52:42.810
of your importer whoever that might
they and that's one of a

01:52:42.810 --> 01:52:44.390
visit levers got contract.

01:52:44.920 --> 01:52:48.810
And a contractor may or may not
be willing to 60 and that the

01:52:48.990 --> 01:52:53.010
currencies that I date that the
pork with the army or air force

01:52:53.010 --> 01:52:54.800
or maybe in its should about.

01:52:55.370 --> 01:52:59.070
Why art to which data that goes
their federal employees. So I

01:52:59.070 --> 01:53:00.870
just wonder day but in the botched.

01:53:01.580 --> 01:53:04.600
Those you what to do sit you come
across any ideas about how

01:53:04.600 --> 01:53:09.090
to address either of these two
sets of problems. Yeah.. Was.

01:53:13.860 --> 01:53:19.580
Was. If you work for contractor
in the contract is again.

01:53:20.670 --> 01:53:26.100
Not necessarily the The boys but
negligent to including you in

01:53:26.100 --> 01:53:29.260
that position you'd be able to sue
them in a way that to chritmas

01:53:29.300 --> 01:53:32.220
to the military because it would
be a federal tort claims act

01:53:32.250 --> 01:53:35.540
or it's not a good solution but
it but the circumstances are

01:53:35.540 --> 01:53:38.400
a little bit different well-known
yet said that that's a very

01:53:38.400 --> 01:53:41.530
good for but I mean come in most
situations like this that's

01:53:41.530 --> 01:53:44.330
probably not the case to case is
probably that you are doing

01:53:44.330 --> 01:53:48.310
some sort of. Perfectly appropriate
drop for contractor to do

01:53:48.600 --> 01:53:52.270
and you become the and willing unwitting
victim of sexual assault

01:53:52.400 --> 01:53:52.900
and then.

01:53:53.910 --> 01:53:57.600
Worse the safety net for that person
that I just don't think

01:53:57.600 --> 01:53:59.950
we've talked about it that and maybe
is something we should at

01:53:59.950 --> 01:54:00.890
least acknowledge.

01:54:01.560 --> 01:54:05.100
That we need to think about just
a little bit more before just

01:54:05.100 --> 01:54:07.670
to show him that we've answered
the question but they then what

01:54:07.670 --> 01:54:10.790
the guy actually shoot was is this
is different from the gaps

01:54:10.790 --> 01:54:14.590
issue is goes tune the Nexus. We
spoke with that I think that

01:54:14.590 --> 01:54:17.950
we want to include civilian contract
is maybe that's that's in

01:54:18.020 --> 01:54:22.360
the question that should be quote
out there for us to do so right

01:54:22.360 --> 01:54:25.050
if we can include civilian
contractors.. It.

01:54:25.670 --> 01:54:31.600
It. Sure I totally. Agree.

01:54:36.620 --> 01:54:38.450
Or away the sport run-up. Double.

01:54:43.910 --> 01:54:45.270
I do know that on a lot of.

01:54:46.230 --> 01:54:50.350
That questions of. The like federal
tort claims act becoming

01:54:50.610 --> 01:54:51.290
the for each.

01:54:52.070 --> 01:54:53.910
It specifically. Excludes.

01:54:54.740 --> 01:54:58.670
Contract is that like for example
contract doctors in the prisons.

01:54:59.300 --> 01:55:03.540
Beetle bailey that again in a federal
government data backing

01:55:03.540 --> 01:55:07.040
if vague me to make now practices
occasionally happens. You see

01:55:07.040 --> 01:55:11.140
what's it's like that so it's very
tricky way to contracting

01:55:11.140 --> 01:55:14.410
begins and ends but that doesn't
mean we can't treat them as

01:55:14.440 --> 01:55:17.170
victims for us a. Discretionary.

01:55:18.890 --> 01:55:22.800
Well the question is also the day
it it it's on the military

01:55:22.800 --> 01:55:28.220
base brought first Wall what support
services are sexual sold

01:55:28.220 --> 01:55:30.930
victims and tied up to it
saying the. Military.

01:55:34.970 --> 01:55:36.000
Okay this is our.

01:55:37.370 --> 01:55:39.720
No. I think that's to me.. Okay.

01:55:41.480 --> 01:55:47.460
Okay. Yeah but that just showed
that we're just when we receive

01:55:47.460 --> 01:55:51.090
showed that they are entitled to
emergency care at the medical

01:55:51.090 --> 01:55:51.840
treat wrestle.

01:55:52.610 --> 01:55:56.040
But then once they in processing
is done with a forensic exam

01:55:56.370 --> 01:55:58.980
their major league and it all up
and the displaying communicate.

01:55:59.100 --> 01:56:02.860
What structures there for both
the mental a and mental health

01:56:02.920 --> 01:56:05.020
of no excuse me physical and
mental health fight.

01:56:05.720 --> 01:56:11.600
So. Which could be nothing the a
show like I guess the question

01:56:11.600 --> 01:56:14.350
is do we wanna say or do or
like a little bit more.

01:56:15.250 --> 01:56:19.120
Sports shoes for that category that
class of individuals or are

01:56:19.120 --> 01:56:22.600
we going to say that while to the
extent that don't have a safety

01:56:22.600 --> 01:56:25.920
net for them. Now this compensation
board that we're talking

01:56:25.920 --> 01:56:30.100
about would-be can be another argument
if you will have compensation

01:56:30.100 --> 01:56:30.760
for two.

01:56:31.460 --> 01:56:34.780
Two hell they um to acknowledge
they um some responsibilty to

01:56:34.780 --> 01:56:35.960
help them get their lives back.

01:56:38.450 --> 01:56:39.000
They're so thought.

01:56:41.140 --> 01:56:42.640
Well let me I think that's a.

01:56:43.250 --> 01:56:46.290
Of the question was there
a contractor should be.

01:56:47.100 --> 01:56:50.460
Simpson and in terms of these other
services. I don't know is

01:56:50.460 --> 01:56:51.440
that part of our.

01:56:52.160 --> 01:56:56.110
The Okay fine.

01:56:57.710 --> 01:56:59.410
But there was said jurisdiction. That.

01:57:04.310 --> 01:57:04.690
The. Good.

01:57:09.710 --> 01:57:13.250
Steve is going to keep that in back
of your mind and let's see

01:57:13.250 --> 01:57:16.720
if a if it's within our charter
then of course we can take.

01:57:18.810 --> 01:57:20.980
And here with the eye thing you
just been through this whether

01:57:21.010 --> 01:57:23.450
it would be a my day just before
when we get the reason it's

01:57:23.450 --> 01:57:25.680
within the charter is and
this goes back to that.

01:57:26.360 --> 01:57:29.500
Uh huh the some of the material
that I learned when I went down

01:57:29.500 --> 01:57:31.070
today trainee conferences that.

01:57:31.680 --> 01:57:37.410
The of a 's majority of sectors
of sold offended was 10 tibby

01:57:37.770 --> 01:57:41.430
habitual offender said to
be repeat offenders so.

01:57:42.020 --> 01:57:43.650
If it did the offender.

01:57:44.160 --> 01:57:45.290
Isn't military.

01:57:45.890 --> 01:57:51.010
Um. To date he might it victimised
a contract that but yes that

01:57:51.010 --> 01:57:55.040
am tomorrow it may. Well affect the
ability of than that service

01:57:55.040 --> 01:57:57.370
to do their duty to tell. Them.

01:58:01.060 --> 01:58:03.120
It was going to the issue. Six.

01:58:06.210 --> 01:58:08.940
Okay find where we have just about
no because the of together

01:58:09.010 --> 01:58:10.330
we're on the day to manage that.

01:58:11.000 --> 01:58:12.290
So to pick this up.

01:58:13.780 --> 01:58:14.680
And I'd like to me.

01:58:16.840 --> 01:58:17.930
Over the next me weekend.

01:58:18.560 --> 01:58:23.640
Everett. As to share in compensation
issue in the I don't know

01:58:24.000 --> 01:58:25.000
make more per Everson.

01:58:26.780 --> 01:58:29.140
It was giving up the report
of a movie out.

01:58:29.810 --> 01:58:31.120
Of pocket before. Wall.

01:58:35.030 --> 01:58:38.490
Thank you for like this today at the
for your help and as they get.

01:58:50.820 --> 01:58:55.160
Um. That's right. Yeah drew
your attention to that.

01:58:55.820 --> 01:58:59.330
Past 9-1-1 why are
they provided to.

01:59:00.950 --> 01:59:02.960
It's something good. Paul.

01:59:06.210 --> 01:59:06.920
You wanna.

01:59:07.770 --> 01:59:10.580
But that over energy. Right.

01:59:12.740 --> 01:59:18.600
No. And and into that your future primarily
until. February 20 sixteen.

01:59:19.180 --> 01:59:19.500
A Kate.

01:59:20.710 --> 01:59:22.500
It has reminder that.

01:59:23.090 --> 01:59:25.170
That to a really good work.

01:59:26.870 --> 01:59:31.820
Hey. And then to support reporting
requirements of the yet reports

01:59:32.020 --> 01:59:33.700
annually during this. One.

01:59:36.590 --> 01:59:37.200
Based on that.

01:59:38.910 --> 01:59:39.420
This season.

01:59:40.640 --> 01:59:42.540
Early that you are you sixty.

01:59:44.180 --> 01:59:45.400
What is an all time.

01:59:47.010 --> 01:59:51.200
They The degree of the day the queen.

01:59:52.600 --> 01:59:57.460
Hold the The rate that is a whole but
it through the thing about that.

01:59:59.270 --> 02:00:01.570
Time to plan the next
three that.

02:00:02.330 --> 02:00:06.120
Well. Do you like of the world.

02:00:07.100 --> 02:00:08.400
Our goal one 20 cases.

02:00:09.560 --> 02:00:14.120
And the primary focus of that is
the statute with good the wire.

02:00:14.960 --> 02:00:16.520
And you re for her.

02:00:17.360 --> 02:00:21.970
Piece. As you see that we're
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