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Mr secretary in the nine winds of
effort that comprise or strategy.

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Uh and the first one that you cited
this political and you said

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that every other wide of effort
follows from that we must be

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successful politically if I'm going
to be successful all uneasy

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other wines a strategy in a crew
are going to achieve our goals

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and in the region.

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But you get is an example in opening
testimony building governments

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can you tell us where we have built
governments in that region

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successfully and others follow
question that is how long will

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that take since everything follows.

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The six the success of the
first one of effort.

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Uh that you you know it is a very
good question. It's a very

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complicated task in the air and
put it in in your rocket all

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mean when helping the Iraqis pulp
beat them when they reached

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covered territory from by Saul to build
the of a system of governance

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that the people who live there
are support and are willing to

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support and defend.

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In the long term use a word we had
success. I'm my own view is

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we've had considerable success
in Afghanistan.

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Uh to speaking to prison ghani yesterday
morning. He was reporting

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the results of.

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That can paid bear again the Afghan
security forces which we're

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in day billion which we trained and
equipped deterring Maybelline.

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The initial unity government of
president Gandhi and a a a CEO

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of go up to a witches.

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Up a multi sectarian a government
hold the in together.

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This in Afghanistan which I did
if you go back 15 years would

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say a very unlikely place for that
to be done said no weaken

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so we have assisted in enabled of
that her people are very good

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at that we're not at that stage
yet in your rock uh but when

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we get to that stage. I think that
that we will participate in

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in the international. Effort to help
this these places are tragically

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demolished a to rebuild the peels
and government channels.

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So so 15 years in Afghanistan the
debt to a successful example

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building governance in this region
a and including the fact that

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began in iraq in one form or another
since 2003 invested tens

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of billions of dollars to a system
building governments trained

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and equipped an army that melts in
the face of the enemy. I have

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some serious reservations about
the potential to cheat success

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on this first one of effort the
third one of effort that she

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mentioned is about helping to produce
a capable committed local

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ground force um you admitted that
we had budgeted to train and

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equip 24000 a have on the only been
able to recruit 7000 um you

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add to that that the only ground
forces apart from the uh Iraqi

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army a or the shia militias fonded
in lead uh and armed by a

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are raw and uh is is this a serious
proposal is this a serious

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one of effort that we can seriously
expects to succeed given um.

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The most recent failures inured
mission debts Iraqi national

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army waxed the will to fight.

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Well it's a serious up a a effort
buddy Heen Jews applaud.

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Sunni. Fighters coming into the
rocky security forces of being

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trained and equipped by awesome
the coalition enabled by us but

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fighting for a day or homeland that's
the essential ingredient.

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I'm a who that was absent last started
last summer's quite clearly

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absent not everywhere can citation
earlier. We talked about the

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ash murder.

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I mention deceit key ass and other
units of the Rockies security

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forces the didn't fight.

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Um and it as you indicate that
there are a she um militias.

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Which we don't support we only
support those that fall under

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the Government of iraq as part of our
overall strategy of supporting

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of multi sectarian government.

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Uh the their up so that use a of this
strategy. It's it's difficult.

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I think the gap between 7000 24000
the whole plate of to condom.

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Is to try to close that gap because
we're trying to close that

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was so many fighters that see essential
ingredient and I think

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we need to we're gonna get on track
to close stacked up a gap

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of that's important in an exchange
earlier of one my colleagues

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and and uh you it agreed that.

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One of our primary missions is to
support soldiers and families

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a um I can think of no greater way
of supporting them. Dan ensuring

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that we have a strategy and spec
can succeed when we're going

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to place them in harm's way and
and olives of many them will

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lose their lives are have their lives
changed irrevocably a upon return.

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So I hope there's a plan B from
the administration. Hi dad is

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go back can area amen to that that's
yet. Another reason why

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the But stages surf and sued to
surf the clear explanation of

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what we're trying to a cup of tea.

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But plumbing.

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The famous chairman in thank you
gentleman the for your server.

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So there's sector used.

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A carter a and a new general dempsey.
Thank you for your approval.

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Service trouble of the nation.

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Um I do hessen questions about the
what's happening in racket your.

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The or nine point churh none lines
each talk about us are carried

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a issue a sector quarter other.

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Um. Most of them uh are non kinetic
uh uh such things is so.

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In in tear all and a mess eugene
counter messaging and that's

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where the fight.

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A budget on and see if you said
the other day that with regard

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ramadi that the city itself was
not symbolic panini what.

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So the question a as what factors
on the ground a would change.

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And this is a question for both
of you volunteer each other on

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this what what what would change
on the ground in iraq that we

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change our strategy the to carting
in a more kinetic. What.

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But. It.

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He I'm there to use.

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But he'd made.

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Morons up a.

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Think iain.

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They eat.

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But that's the question what if dave
multi sectarian maker rock.

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It turns out not to be possible.

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I think the chairman dress that
i've i've just agree with what

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he said or earlier was in response
to what garner's matt smith

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asked that is an important part avert
our strategy now on the ground.

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If that fails then we expect government
can do it. It's supposed

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to do then we will still try to
enable local ground forces if

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they're really de Parker
with us too.

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Keep stability drop of there
will not be a single state.

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A of are rock and at the same time
we're doing that I think the

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other nine lines of effort are
signify a bit weak while we're

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working on this challenge ian a a
situation on the ground in iraq.

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We are are trying to protect ourselves.

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Ain't it shouldn't tea into threat
but to be more specific in

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the lemon to tablets cited that
the capital Baghdad self.

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Um he's in danger fall.

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Uh the entire government could be
toppled with dead change are

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on the ground strategy.
We change.

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Yeah. Uh the extent to which
we use kinetic activity.

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Um tell us that chairman due
to a to come in on this is.

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Well I don't see that that particular
scenario change on the

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ground is very likely for the reason
that a prime minister a

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body of one of the steps he has
taken use to surround Baghdad

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with much of their remaining Iraqi
security forces and secondly

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many of them as i've noted.

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Up far or a shia insect carrying
orientation and therefore life

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likely to fight fiercely for that
part of to to rock there for

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I think that's unlikely but that's
good german furs kilter judge

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venture cemetery. That's where we're
there right now on in the

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that threat to or be-all was what
drew us into the kinetic portion

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of this fighters. Well uh
is the threat to Baghdad.

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And the fact that we have our diplomatic
pressure stare in for

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over and the scene thousands of
American show addition show and

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up we we will always protect our national
interests a with unilaterally

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and in that in fact some of the recent
special operation strikes

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in some of.

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The other kinetic strike state you've
seen as conduct both manned

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and unmanned the must
not forget that.

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In terms are kinetic action these
1650 pilots they're flying

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and and out ever of iraq and syria.
No Halle Berry danger.

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She issued they ever find themselves
within engine failure and

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not least a a a shot from an air
defense work. So we're very

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active kinetically. The question. I
think you others would something

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cause us to be more kinetic.

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Obviously would be a for a a a
a Credible intel of the threat

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to the homeland.

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Board credible intel of a threat
to herb to showed asian persons

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but for big data date. I so fight
we're relying upon coalition

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bargaining limited tan a huge said
wade into my next question

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that is what the homeland is here
at heart such is not a left

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with debt change.

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Uh our strategy in iraq
and in in what. What.

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I just so actually but but to um.

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The fundamental strategy today is
to prevent that from happening

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and to have been in during outcome.

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It's your suggesting that could we
going into a better job ourselves

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again special actual but we'll be
back there two years from now.

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Like mister got.

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Uh thank you miss chairman and thank-you
in general dempsey and

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sector carter for a coming today
and and also for your service

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to our country.

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In february de presidents emitted
in a the math to congress that

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we never puts hopeful.

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I believe that we must have a school
an open debate on the ongoing

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operations in the middle east.

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Given the ever changing situation
has there been any fox to updates

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to changes today at a you a math
measures sensor was some ended

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for example is the more clarity
on the phrase in during long

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fenced of ground combat. Operations.

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But the thank you all of opposed
to to ensure that the um that

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you did very questioned that the chairman
and off I asked ourselves

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about the a you amassed now several months
ago when I actually testified.

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Of the pm laugh a faster cells
to question's uh. One morons.

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Do this year of OS than needed flexibility
and a for me to can

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dock the campaign that is necessary.

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Up and the second is dated created
wooded to pass each clearly

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signify to our people.

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The fact that they are people meaning
are are many women in uniform

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the other members of the department
of defense that that country

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is behind that in this fight those
are the two things that are

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important about the a about
a amassed to me.

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A features a that the first question.
I is affirmative from a.

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In the version that the president
submitted be trots. It was

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flexible or or borough lauded its
definition of I sold and and

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the enemies so to speak.

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Up because it was not geographically
limited because we know

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Weisel is geographically limited.

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Up it had the three year peace
in it which is not anything to

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do with the military campaign.
I can't tell you that in three

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years to campaign against Weisel
is going to be over the three

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years in the air masses recognition
for constitutional system.

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The fact that the be a new president
and that congress and the

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new president ought to be able
to revisit the strategy seems

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reasonable to me but it's not
really of the military thick.

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The only restriction with inept
is about the long term a large

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scale all sensitive combat operations.

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Which we judge our for the all
the reasons within describing

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earlier today are not part of our
strategy and we don't think

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are gonna be needed to combat I
so therefore I mope Kate with

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that provision in the draft and
the a enough to president uh

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uh has submitted. So those of the
questions we asked or cells

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of on both of those grounds um.
I you I hope that it will is

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will pass I can't say withers legally
necessary and in any sense

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um but I think a which show support
for the troops and in that

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sense is that is a good thing.

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I I'm I'm for SEC Terry carter
again last week an additional

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forge a 50 troops were deployed.

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In support of operation inherent
resolve hall where for a you

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have said personally that
and I quote we can do.

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We can do.

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Nothing that we can substitute for.

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Of Iraqi forces will to fight in
following the fall over muddy.

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You also made similar comments a
of a team a common says as well

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today I think many of us here in
congress are gravely concerned

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that the ministry. She was considering
committing a substantial

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American grown fours to the ongoing
efforts to combat isis.

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As it has been 10 months in we're
slowly seen a ramp up.

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Of us forces in iraq in syria.

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We're options being considered to
re deploy is substantial ground

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combat force to the region to combat.
I says if not at what number

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were the line beach ron for
American forces in iraq.

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I think we all want to know how
that's is a how does a san and

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word the we draw the line on American
involvement in this conflict.

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Has re to test the Essence
of the strategy of.

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Is not to have us forces
substitute for.

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People bowl and Moody
faded local forces.

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But to have us and coalition forces
and maple those forces.

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And the reason for that is a it
is it that that's the only way

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to get a last the in result.

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Mirror can forces outside
forces HQ in combat.

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But but who invented comes time
for them to sustain the victory

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and that can only be done by local
forces. That's the reason

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why our strategy is not to put it in
a hundred thousand American troops.

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It is to put in smaller in carefully
selected up groups that

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can have been usual leverage. That's
the point about to caught

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amid some about the number of people
that are there. It's the

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leverage they're gonna have the
right in the middle of sunni

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recruiting territory and we want
cities and it's right in the

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middle of the where the anbar operations
center is that we can

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help the Iraqi are set awful fortunes
into think ms chan.

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Kauffman. Reporter saran are for
soul a turtle dancer our or

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thank you so much year decades
of for dedicated servers so to

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this country and and the all live.

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Servile a Yum.

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Or do you feel the you've are in
the every time and were will

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mesh ooh our market this country
will misheard your service uh

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uh to our country.

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Be. There is a arm.

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And I guess I'm a position.

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Of this government and of
no boots on the ground.

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And that I just wanna drill down
to to what that means because.

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Of all I agree.

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That we shouldn't ahead out.

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The U.S. walter percival back interact
as a the ground come pollinate.

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Maneuver element taking the flight
away for on a the indigenous

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forces are are registers forces up.

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But I also have a concern.

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About dead destination in terms.
I do feel that there ought to

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be some us military personnel ford
with Iraqi forces up for derrick

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controllers to make sure that we
have effective close air support

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uh advisers of not simply be high
on the wire but but with you

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re cutest. I served in iraq with
the marine corps and what I

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noticed in going out a joint patrols
in the west you fritters removal.

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It was so that it a really embolden
the confidence of of those

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Iraqi soldiers and so what is a
position are the administration

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right now because I have heard credits
up complained about the

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effectiveness or closer supported
up in in in terms of the number

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of missions and the effectiveness
of those missions a number

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of sorties in the effectiveness
of oh stores.

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The general dempsey.

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Commission's 'em up
and uh uh the To.

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And just mooch on the ground issued.

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Militate mishra shoes position
as long term again give him an

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military jesuit here today
and that is that.

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Uh I would not.

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The I would not recommend that we've
put us a forces in harm's

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way simply to stiff and the spying
or of local forces if they

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if they're spying is nuts for stephen
by the for at of I so on

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their way of life nothing we do
is get us stephen their spot

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in onion a hand when baby come off
offensive than as a military

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man you understand the distinction
between defense and offense

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when they go on the offensive and
if there's a strategic target.

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Uh and we want to insurer that
they succeed in achieving that

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strategic target it could be a major
city it could be our refiner

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and I would certainly take general
Austen's advice and go to

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the secretary defence and have
that conversation about how we

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could hell we can.

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Make the chances of success better.
But not justice stephen their spot.

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In terms of the success of
the airpower bear powers.

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Limitation is not about 40 or controllers
your jay tax are you

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lech service men and women forward
it's about the inner mingling

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of paid significant number of groups
shown any particular place.

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Let's take ramadi you know have
the inner mingling of the Iraqi

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security forces conventional maybe
their counter terror forces

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which are special operators some
elements of the she a malicious

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some of which are actually working
on the have for the country

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ever act some of which we're very
concerned about and tried.

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And so we're very precise and very
delivered about the use of

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airpower so that we don't actually
undermine our own campaign

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of trying to focus this
effort a national.

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And she did yesterday been astray
shown procurement in that that

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that that position I agree with
everything the chairman of a

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is saddened him open to that judgement
in the future. What we need.

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However is 80 or rocky ground force
than than we can provide

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the leverage for the again matches
to stiffen their spine up

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to substitute for them a but to
leverage them up and I'd be the

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last thing. I'll say is there
or boots on the ground.

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In in in the end of the it in a
rocket uh we think about them

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every day appreciate any of you
to visits a them they're not

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and debt just in Baghdad other
around the country a and that

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but the job they're doing is to build
this capable and motivated

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grout first that. Yes issue say
we can then let's rich and put

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all the what will will love.

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Quote Revisited or a visit that question
when we have the ground

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forced to enable of beat. Well
I'm in a sure understand about

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their positions and that is if or
in if Iraqi foreign Iraqi forces.

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Are in contact with the rice
is or enemy elements.

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Uh uh and I'm I'm and I'm.

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Closer so poor it.

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Up would be effective in terms of chili
heavily influencing the battle.

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Influencing the bellfield shaking
about filled that in fact you'll

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would so poor.

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Are us military personnel for but
Iraqi units in the former sake

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for air. Controllers.

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We take that was for
the record can be.

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The total.

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Like to share of a Tome a thank-you
voters sirs of or of being year.

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That general dempsey when I watch
inter office in Baghdad as

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a lieutenant in the tried to figure
out how lieutenant supposed

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to report to a three star a you
a prove to me that I you're not

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only a great national leader as
you have dentistry of for the

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entire country. But the are also very
good last and uh I'm grateful

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for the of the serve with few as well
as um have you leader country

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in and so many importing weights
so thank you very much.

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Um. You say and the sector eight
that courting us combat troops

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on the ground that uh is no substitute
for local served a forces

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because only local forces will produce
enduring results by concern

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is that.

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The plan that we're really executing
Alice force training local

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forces does not look materially
different than uh what we're

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doing some time ago. We just it's
a much a spin smaller scale

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and I think that the missing component
here is really a in in

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during political plan to win. Sure
a that that the Iraqi government

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can whole itself together because
ultimately it's phil really

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a political failure in iraq today
and I think we all of a a agree

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on that.

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So talking about how important this
first wine of effort is building

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a more effective inclusive of multi
sectarian a governments in iraq.

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I'm. Concerned.

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By my experience on the ground there
when I visited in several were.

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Because I didn't see is singled
met American commander of the

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military side.

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A new anything about
a political plan.

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When I talk to the us an bastard
Baghdad he his position was

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essentially that it's up to the
Iraqis it's not for us to win

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fourth but it's not about awesome
full wincing interests sovereign

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iraq state. It's about either awesome
full insane Iraqi politics

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are ron.

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Influencing rocky politics.

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A home and a

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It concerns me is well frankly
I'm miss chairman when you say

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that you don't know what the administration's
long term plan

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is because if we don't know what
the long term plan is that I'm

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not sure it's worth courting these
troops at risk in iraq today.

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Personal leveled the most frustrating
part of going back to a

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rock IMF every worry was seen so
much of what we had fought for

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in achieved during the search.

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Really gone the way it's and I wanna
make sure that we do have

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a long term in during political plan.

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So that whatever effort is made
by these 450 and others on the

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ground in iraq today. It doesn't
go to waste and we don't Finder

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cells sending troops back again
five years from now.

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Sure there because I didn't and
I didn't intend to imply that

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I don't know what the administration's
plans think I'd agree

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tribal a that out what I'm an meant
to suggest was that a as

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efficient military campaign has
evolved when we have approached

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the administration for
additional resources.

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It within the context mustachioed.
They've taken are weisz in

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every cage I just haven't gone forward
yet with any further wreck

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that. Recommendations.

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It to the them.

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But one ages second that nuts can
be answered mister coffins.

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Excellent question as well of with
rich turkey europe. Also excellent

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question is that reinforces that
the first the light of effort

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is the central the first one of
the for be in in a a day Iraqi

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government that will not behave
the way bella keys government.

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Uh did it and it I'm the that is
something we can influence we

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don't directly control. But we can
influence and that's why the

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first line of africa the second of
their why I'm so intent denied

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the chairman a post on a la la nina
the political with what we're

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trying to do the for mr. Sector
were are we doing to influence

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it and I can just to drill down
to a specific what are we doing

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specifically to counter a Ronnie
in political influence on the

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ground in iraq to that.

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Will we we power and made it clear
to the prime minister all

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body and all the party stare at
the of supported the point of

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view of that we are that we're
not going to support.

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The militia OS far shia forces
supported by iran or otherwise

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constituted that are not under the
control of the Iraqi government.

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For the ones that we're gonna support
than the ones that we're

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gonna win able and therefore the ones
that we intend to be successful

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as part of our strategy will be under
the control the government

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of iraq and build the the successful
forces and edit responding

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to levers because I spoke with the
rocky a master last week and

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he said the difference between
america support Iran's is that

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they have a house on fire america
comes with these conditions

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it fire insurance and will support
you ron to shows up in with

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a fire extinguishers and his view
is that they're being much

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more effective at leveraging Iraqi
politics to the well we the

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a have spoken to prime minister body
in the members of his government

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about precisely disappointed.
He is asking for our.

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Now the see speak for everybody
in Baghdad no but he is asking

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for our how he says cheaper
first our. Support.

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Thank you both. Thank mission
missed todd of.

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A German.

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Joe mr. Secretary attention being
here asylum will on a live

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it asked about ices pretty pretty
Han heavy year. So we get there

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in the middle leash your
of your familiar with.

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A two years ago ayesha puttering
able to institute a hostage

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policy review. I asked him to appoint
a hostage one person for

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deo deed bitter Dubai's and mike
mike lawn can who's now a estee

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soul it.

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Uh I'm a and and secretary hagel
did that applauded and mike

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lawn can white house is a two
losses Palos whom. We do.

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All all of this came about because
things were brought to my

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attention by a lieutenant Colonel
hammering special forces soldier

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of call in Afghanistan was working
in a section of dod working

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on a hostage.

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Policy isn't hostage recover
worry for dod.

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He's now being investigated.

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He's he's been basely drummed
out of the armor.

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You would not out of losses call
SUV you in a sucker terrace

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able Stuart. A lot on his own without
my request. I would not

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of requested you are not of that
awesome drive one person in

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mike mom can if it were not solely
to nick Kroll a at emory.

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Secretary or a cheddar Johnson
ritual a letter of take a few

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days ago asked the new to look
into secretary mick you.

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Has invested get up and boasts
80 invested tory policies with

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them the army possible abuse by
she idea within the army in the

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case of whatever curl anne-marie
can in particular so I would

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is gesture right now. I'm just like
easier your commitment that

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that you would look into this because
none of this wouldn't happen

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and what of happen. If there were
for emory note that was now

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had to claim whistle blower status.

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Because she helped the United States.

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Fixed its botched hostage recovered
policy of which we had not

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you many we talked about this yet
at the I state deo de and other

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the intelligence communities all
uh in their own on lanes do

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in their own thanks for hostages.
That's didn't change that you're

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gonna have your own houses policy
now that that that they've

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reviews underway and the house
and senate aryan da was passed

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that had a to look the the parameters
for you or for the administration's

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new hostage recovery policy set up
again at a two to pass the senate.

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She you're gonna happen next that
we're not a come about without

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the guy was under investigation
for making at all possible.

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What. First and I am familiar with
the case you have my commitment.

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A gets under investigation nell
like the inspector general uh

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uh siam familiar with the case uh
I can't comment on it because

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it's under investigation the you
have my commitment a that I

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will uh but keep in touch with sacked.

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Um uh uh investigation as appropriate.

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I'm not and it but you also have
light was and I can't speak

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for the history. Of course um but
he certainly have might bite

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mike commitment with respect to a.

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A a a a reasonable um conclusion
of a hostage of us teach pole

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see review and says the chairman of
made been president the creation

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of that every viewer could
like to comment german.

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Yeah I don't like of obviously.
Connors room where we we can

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come in and investigation votes aware
of it and we're certainly uh.

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I'm enthusiastic to move ahead
with the highest rescue unit a

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issue and make it more coherent
crush government.

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Thank you in our destruction one
the reasons are reports said

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is under investigation should you
can comment on a understand

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that but that's up an him in the
past him number two up I would

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use arrested yet that this spot. I think
is bigger than one particular

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search and ache that it would when
you look at this case of him

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in particular intuition hammer and
what is darlin ayumi. He was

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in the answer is to the entire country
to the constitution and

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he was doing his duty and a affected
if you don't abbott interviewed

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opened up some oversight on the investigation
itself the investigation

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of the investigation of that we're
we're we're not gonna have

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the outcome that that we should have
which is a amerindian being

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cleared a in the in it in not a
IQ score reading anymore to be

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in praised because of the so one
legend gossip in donna with

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them the sussed I'm in a but had
to go outside of of the system

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to a each and and I would hope
that ever single one of those

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german should've behind you all
of you in uniform knows.

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But if they can't work within the
system but they can come the

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cockroach and that's what we're
here for because when you're

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right in the box you can
always fiction shelf.

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That's where we're judicial about the
OPEC pursue german. Thank you.

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The it to you.

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Think your majesty chairman. Thank
you both for your service

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and for being here with us today.

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I'm You know we've heard a lot
of discussion about this first

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one of effort that she outlined in
your opening remarks to address

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the political and sectarian
situation iraq.

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And I think it's important
to has re.

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Look at this question of what is
our strategy to de feet. I says

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it's important that we operate in
the world that actually exists

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not the one that we hope are we wish
to critic sister would exist

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in the future. It's important said
um recognize that all these

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ideals are good to have.

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We're operating in the world that
that exist today. So even as

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we look at this administration's policy
the previous administration's

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policy the billions of dollars and
thousands of lives that have

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been um spent to him.

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Holding onto this unified central
government policy I even as

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we hear rhetoric from prime minister
a body the reality is that.

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Spurts boasts who wear the uniform
and those to um have steady

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the middle east for very long time
all safe for practical purposes

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you had three regions any rockets
a fractured country with the

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kurds in north the she has have their
stronghold in Baghdad essentially

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and you have the seine territories
a largely to the west's.

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So when you look at this question
and you look it. I'm mr.

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Secretary are answer to mister works
question with regards to.

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Give us an example of how there
has been a planner there is a

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plan in place to allow for this
and support governments I and

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I had the ability for him for example
the seine tried just to

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secure themselves.

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A many talked about how this would
happen in the future help

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Iraqi government um but a plan in place for
governance as territories recovered.

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But my question goes to a to create
this is an offense of that

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took place not that long ago. I'd
question before this occurred

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on two members the administration.

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A what was the plan and there was
no plan at that time and we

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size a results once one
stick chritmas taken.

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See any families are terrorized by
she um alesha homes or burned

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down businesses were looted and
as a result the continue to see

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wide the sunni people have no motivation
to go and fight for

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this so called Iraqi security forces
Iraqi government that shuts

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down bridges when they're trying
to run away from licensed.

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So as estates essential seine. Fighters
are brought into the fold.

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I think we all recognize that the
seine people be to be empowered.

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But this is why there snow about
face by many in congress on

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the seine tribes. Most importantly
bad there is a plan in place

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to empower them.

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In the eyes of very much respect
me your expertise good and your

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perspective a pa pa ness
in one of my favorite.

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Sayings is hope is not a strategy.

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Uh and this is a strategy a bit of
this strategy that particular

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part of the strategy which
has to do with.

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The integrity of the Iraqi state
is a challenging walk.

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And no question about it for all
the reasons you describe.

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India's. Eighty city can be of she
better than sectarian awesome.

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And for the Iraqi people one for
what we bought witches. I Souls

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lasting defeat is it difficult to
achieve. Yeah ask does it in

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call this an essential ingredient
in power aims sony's and giving

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them a will to participate.

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Absolutely used to create a good
example of what we're trying

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to achieve knowing was that's the
whole point that was a that

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was knocked david O ordered operation
under the Exclusive control

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of the Iraqi government.

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Um and get the it it it had to cut
it after massive exactly in

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sent devices us to be trying to
get Sudanese ended the fight

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goofy put she goes into the sony
fight. You know how buttons.

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Uh that is not last eat.

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A defeat so that's where we're
trying to get the cities in to

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the fight uh. I think
year you you are.

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Got a basket exactly the right question.
I think it's more than hope.

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I think it there's some reason
prospect that we can do this.

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We're determined to do it other
plenty of or Rockies who say

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that they will support that of
strategy and I'm a guy that we

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can make it succeed.

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And think you're suckered just contain
Terje the administration

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to um to consider changing its policy
of supporting this government

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in Baghdad the mentions sectarian
as an is the problem.

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I would argue that this government
in Baghdad is further of adding

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fuel to the fire sectarian is um
by allowing the she um alicia

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by allowing this sectarian. I'm
persecution and oppression to

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continue which only allows for their
oxygen fry cystic continued

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to exist and to continue to grow
in sunni territories. Thank you.

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Like you missed bronze don.

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Mr chairman.

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Like to thank the secretary in the
chairman for coming in tests

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of the testifying today.

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Um. I I I think a uh I like to follow
up on the wine a questioning

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that we're just going down.

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You know that you mentioned earlier
general dempsey about to

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general McCrystal in the gotta defeat
in that work within that

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worked in and his commitment to that.

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Uh uh certainly. He was also very committed
to the counterinsurgency

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strategy that was deployed in Afghanistan.

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Um you are the deputy up a commander
of sencom one we employed

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counter insurgency in iraq can
I think you eventually became

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the acting.

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A commander sent tom under under
the counterinsurgency policy.

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Which you and and at my understanding
is weak employed. I kind

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of strategy. So that we can come to the
diplomatic and political solutions.

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That she was just talking about
the idea is that we have some

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space to maneuver so the parties
can come together. But we can

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come to a governing solution that
is reasonable for all involved

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can you share with the ass. I'm your
time they're why was it successful.

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Why was the counterinsurgency strategy
interact. Successful.

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Well I know I think that he of
can are certain issue strategy

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is affected when the minds of effort
that to secretary outlined

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at the beginning our.

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Uh are applied not just
a military instrument.

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And as you know in no shears when
there was not much else going

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on in the world actually weird we
invested enormous resources.

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Into that effort.

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I don't think you're suggesting
I like this session primal a

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ask if your she guessing whether
we should make that kind of

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commitment again raw there.
It seems to me.

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That we're trying to accomplish the
objectives of a counterinsurgency

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about adapting based on what we've
learned to ensure that most

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of that westen is done by regional
partners and by the government

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ever acted shell.

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So the uh uh. I'm not suggesting that
we return to counterinsurgency

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interact who who what does concern
me the was we heard over and

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over again from this administration
that we had to and the gains

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of the counterinsurgency it because
we didn't have a status of

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forces agreement.

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Um and the reason we didn't have
the stars the forces agreement

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of according to the administration
is that a they couldn't get

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it ratified by the Iraqi parliament
um. We've heard that over

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and over can now somehow even though.

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We had to leave because we didn't
have a status forced now all

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the sudden we're putting thousands
of troops about Kinney to

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me today do we have a status
of forces agreement.

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No we do not there. We have diplomatic
note stood and guarantee

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the in the Indies him protection
huge and about away. We've got

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3500 servers men and women on the
grounds such a much different

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order of magnitude so and so originaly
than the one we did the

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counter insurgency since there
wasn't an Iraqi parliament.

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We didn't have a status of forces
agreement or was that just

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an exchange of diplomatic
notes as well.

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I don't know they ensure that I
can take that for the record

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you talkin' back in all in 2000 and
eleven. Right not my my point

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is if if we can have an exchange
of diplomatic notes and sustain

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the gains that we had from the counter
insurgency and eight was mr.

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Molten the talked about the blog
bought gains in and this is

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very difficult uh for us as a nation
um if we can do that with

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an exchange of diplomatic letters
and why wouldn't we do that

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with an exchange of diplomatic
letters instead of I you know

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just saying well the Iraqi parliament
ratified therefore.

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We have to leave immediately and
then all the sudden everything

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that we fall to achieve including
me including you.

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It it it seems to uh to lobby for
not um this is a last and we

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can go back an unwind. What
is already happened.

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But we have to be cognizant is
is is we'll ford because these

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kind of conflicts are
gonna happen again.

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And and it did commander-in-chief
based to make a decision that

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he doesn't get to change the policy
the can before huh we have

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to make decisions that we inherit
the policy from our predecessor

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weird to make decisions in the best
interest of our country regardless

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of whether or not it was
his warded again what.

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That's my point of yeah you know
a thing I would add is that

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you have to concede we have a much
different partner in prime

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minister buddy them. We did
and prime minister Molokai.

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That's correct is also true that
prime minister molecule would

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of would've wanted us to be there
had we had the opportunity

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um to deal with an exchange of
diplomatic letters which he he

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what us to do and and said
we chose to reject that.

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Without mr. Chairman audio. Back.

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As for died of a thank you very
much was to chairman secretary

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carter in general damn CIA.

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You certainly have tremendous challenges
on your shoulders and

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I thank you for your service.

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Um I'd does question that I'm going
dannis can I think both of

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you may have a common san.

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As we denounced additional deployments
of service members back

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to the middle east to enhance the
trade in the acquit mission.

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I've become really troubled.

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About the effects it will have on
the readiness of our total force.

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Instead ascending complete units.
It appears that we're deploying

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piecemeal components and a disproportionate
contingent of senior personnel.

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So I'm concerned that the portion
of the unit it remains at home

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station or being training will be
rarely gated to preparing only

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for small unit operations instead
of being able to train for

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a full operations.

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The hall will be mitigate this and
and insurer are are reconstitute

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in units will get the training they
need to re cover their readiness.

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As the first part of a question
in secondly all soul will we

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considered changing the model for
how we generate forces for

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small scale. Operations.

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That that the Question was.

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True thank-you in all all start
in may enhance the chairman dip

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beaches way. You're absolutely.
Right when we.

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Send in in Maybelline forest.

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Uh that we tend to take certain
elements including the command

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element out of a larger unit.

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A a Brigade that and for it gives
the she meets at headquarters

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in deployed forward because that's
the only part of a force that

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it'd be me.

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Up and the rest stays behind that
is 80 redeem. Yes de Lima for

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in this case the army uh and I
know the army uh uh the works

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very hard on the activity
is as you say.

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And so the second part of your
question. I'm is are we think

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he made of ways of I forget how you
put it but systematised scene

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than dealing with the radius issues
associated. Absolutely.

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We are right no did sector to and
a general booty or no aren't

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discussed that with so I'm I'm the
chairman in addition to being

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the chairman was also the chief
justice the army and per and

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she'd come as well.

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Thank you yes commission we are
we are I'm adapting arm global

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force manager impressions to account
for the fact that is I mentioned

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earlier for the first time in a
very long time. We have both

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the issue of dealing with potential.
Threats from state actors

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with and from non-state actors joe
though it's always our instinct

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to apply.

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Coherent units that is to show eunice
that have been organized

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trained and equipped the and had
a long relationship with each

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other we're we're gonna have to
find ways to account for global

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challenges with the hybrid solution
to global forced man.

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But you know frankly where we are
a much different army all use

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in 2015 than we were in 2003 when
a shell began him. We can figure

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out there would be happy don't to
describe for your how we intend

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to approach the Thank you thank
you very much miss chairman uh

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you'll back.

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It to the court struck.

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They do mr. Chairman thank you
joe among both for being here.

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You know it as as I sit here in
we go through all this I just

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can't help but reflect is one of
the Couple hundred thousand

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who served interact and solace
go one to victory to just get

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my stomach turn one. I think of
my friends who were killed in

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certain areas are now under
control of Weisel.

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And Kate uh it's very difficult
to sit and watch what's taking

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place today.

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Today we have also a oscar labor
resolution being brought for re.

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Did 's for the remove all ball
us troops. From iraq or syria.

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What do you think uh. Oh the the
middle east would look like

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if we did act and what effect would
it have on our national security.

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That's The mistaken mission forever.
Easter is we have both in

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that we have.

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The United States national security
interests a with interact.

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And Wilson of um. You know station
security interest in maintaining

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credible safe and reliable
allies and the region.

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And our withdraw from this tissue
would uh would challenge and

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and and put russia greater risk
overtime. No question about it

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up I would be review on that note
either question concerning

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air counter messaging enter humid humanitarian
efforts. I'm obviously

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kit I think those are key components
to whatever military mission

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were engaged in.

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Uh is it helping with the rate
crew man on but local level.

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Uh for our allies in this fight.

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Those are Taylor message bizarre
counter messaging having an

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effect in we talk all the time
about the messaging of Weisel

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and the social media it centered
setters are counter messaging

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helping recruit those that'll
be in the fight with us.

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Um. I I have the honest truth is
that it at the moment art can

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or mess eugene use the
truce we don't have.

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Particular weight would ways of getting
on social media propagate

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and I see the way I so that so
don't take your suggested that

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we should do that.

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A on a asking you what I need you
but we've you mention counter

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messaging earlier. I'm just asking
you what that it's it.

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Well that right exactly and I understand
it new drifted to your

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question in the crater call for
him of of counter message ching

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mei america gets back to the word
to chairman started with which

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is leadership.

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When we Step up.

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In indicated that word in the game
or not substituted for the game.

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But we're in indicate whether it
be here or or any were else.

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I was just an in and southeast asia.

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Last week there's a hunger for American
leadership. We've played

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that role for decades in many parts
the world same thing is true

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in europe.

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Um and I think that it's the best
message we can do of a teenage

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install of these a threats to our
friends and allies the is a

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wonderful resolve fit
in steady guess a.

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Meeting earlier reference to caught
new woody over time. I think

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that's important as well the stadium
it's of American leadership

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and it gets packed all the things
we got of a conversation about

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the budget earlier. I believe we
need steady ness there a as

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well and that that's the best kind
of that for hurt me nour franz

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them in getting them to do more.
That's the best kind of counter

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message when in what about the
humanitarian side that was was

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mentioned is. Well I mean I look
it to help we really turn the

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tide interact before and part of that
was our humanitarian efforts

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were riots all people of iraq began
to trust us more than their

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own government and because of the
way we live with them and we

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we in do work with day and do lord
and we offered them medical

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relief things like that. Uh are
we doing things like that is

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that part of our humanitarian effort
that wins over the hearts

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and minds of people do we meaty if
we are going to be successful.

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Uh he did so I don't think we've
had the full opportunity did

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deployed that when we begin to take
back territory. I think the

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just appear Britain we need to
help the Iraqis to do to act.

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To restore services. Make sure
people are getting food.

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Our all these things it just makeup
normal life that pass to

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be the sequel to of military defeat
of Weisel otherwise the titled

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just turn back to get.

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A and that's essentially get no
we're not gonna try to do that

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all by or cells but I think that
we will as we enable the fight

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we need to enable the aftermath
a as well i've never been to

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get back your bird but partners
in out many of the partners and

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ally surfs theory will lead to due
dead and to have some experience

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of doing that including in Afghanistan
so of our european friends

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and allies forget we for a really
good so like. Yeah I States

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us to cripple from their low Ivory
and I hope that we do deploy

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those measures which can be helpful to
us thank. Yeah you back.. Pressured.

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Pressured. Yeah thank you of miss
chairman. Thank you john tension

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miss sectarian III of.

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Little up but on top they can hand and
probably is demand pass dancer.

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I'm a couple times but that
one when now I was in the

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Iraq with a.

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Passion more than a and it be asked
a question he asked today

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several times and it's a
compelling question um.

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It it when one of the EU with that
there is quite a bit of optimism.

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When we're there in february and
it was you had to due primarily.

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With fact it can june there be a
operation and most all and so

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forth and so on one of the factors
that would and and but much

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is change Sin sen honestly and and
you the dress set one of the

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the for me and what
I reported back to.

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The brass comes was set I saw a
the emergence of to some degree

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leaders in um their countries to
work. Right is standup and try

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to unify um these groups and I have
nonetheless sectarian manner

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and king abdul of Jordan was
one of those up the E it.

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And it was it was so uh it it was
very to me at least a someone

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who's known to the us up it was
very optimistic that kind of

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the report in talked about his
idea of bringing um sunni.

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A leaders together a in I think in that
time in april or or something so.

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And up and uh and to and dixon said
time. Obviously the the jordanian

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said that impacted by.

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Significant challenges not the least
of which are the refugees

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and the um.

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And to this some of the ah collided
a and the issues for them.

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I'm Number one I guess my question
mr. Derby alcohol art things

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going with Jordan and and
and one these see.

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That. That sort of exceptional us
to kind of of wrote city was

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taking them be enable them.

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Move forward and I ed koch as if
if the kisses and asked before.

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No it's it's a it's a keyed a cup.

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Question it was alluded to before
me your he'd eamonn dale.

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Papa and the head we cheer was of
we're aren't there are other

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particularly sunni.

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A lying powers in the region in
this fight which is essentially

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for a big swaps of.

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Of a sunni territory by a group mm.

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Who we are region is the
center of the political.

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A good yolo and it a.

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He in the case of Jordan there's
no question about that the the

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level of insight and commitment
by the king and then determined

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to support the acid Jordan in part
because of the tragic burning

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adjust by a.

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Uh he's all leah and a a a very committed
partner and we're doing

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everything we can uh to were quits
with canada refugees are the

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challenge to a small country like
of like Jordan. So definitely

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a worry about when fed the when we
had the a a G cc countries here.

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Uh in washington about a month ago.

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The did that. They were raise seemed
issues in their region including

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iran which they're very concerned
about a we're talking about

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a rod as well but we were also
say that it's not just a rock.

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There's I suppose. Well I'd you can
your you meet klee position.

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To play greater role of this campaign.

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Um and it up who do they eat a a
indicated some really miss to

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do so I think at the moment we're
trying to help them build the

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capacity to do so because most of
them don't have to ground forces

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that that could participate day
in-principal in the campaign

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and a rock in may be more acceptable
than how the fighter and institute.

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That they and it is than than the
odyssey they get that time.

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I talk about the training mission
which use being undertaken

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and you've talked about
that and your.

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Doing more that um to to me it seemed
that um and And that you

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can and does now as well listening
that you can obviously there's

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a military objective
in that has to be.

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Followed through with that but
there is that it is and Maybe

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I'm wrong but it it it isn't so
much that we have to wait until

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a military objective is absolutely
of done that there's there's

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also a parallel course of bringing
these other leaders together

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to try to find an more like political
solution. I I see it seem

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to me when I left that was what
I was here in areas it has to

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be parallel you can't just go from
one to the other and has to

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be sort of a parallel thing. I wear
that i've drill a few seconds

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but of the pie on and on might completely
agree with it called

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these law in another way of saying
it does all the lines of effort

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and strategy have to be synchronized.
And the political and military

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in particular could be sacrificed.

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Thank you.

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Good ms excel like.

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Think ears determine going to domino
for sustaining town along

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all here today. I'm I I do I to
say that uh I do have serious

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concerns about what appears to
be in coherence in a regional

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strategy related to iran specifically.
I wear were marching toward

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a nuclear agreement with than the
ever supporting Saudi Arabia's

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are striking their influence in
the the keys in Yemen yet I'm.

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Causes on Armenians leading ground
offensive to take back to cripple.

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We're providing the air force uh
uh. No wonder. Why are sunni

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partners don't wanna add a gnomes
are concerned about the in

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coherence there's so I know a lot
of that is uh a year participants

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but you're not fully responsible
for a but I just wanted in a

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say on the record that I think that
in coherent strategy that's.

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Impacting the some and they lack
of quote commitment and our

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allies in than a politically just
as of a cleaner rock and what

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is my question Dion specifically the
targeting in the air campaign

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and a rock I just let it echoed
el over to the region and a met

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with beer company commander met
with the jtf leadership uh uh.

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They felt like I says is on the defensive
and then a couple weeks later.

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I was seen Ronnie fell.

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I have an a bomb in a targeting
process of the Co come level

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down to the pilot and I was so I
am concerned. I am a mentioned

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we're hitting all the targets we have
except for one collateral damage.

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Is a factor to nancy and I wanna
quote ally Gerald that tool

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as a group is the smartest dan air
parenting in our generation.

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I opted in wash impose undue quickly.
A couple weeks ago.

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The fastest way to and the in humanity
of war to eliminate its

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source in this case Islamic state.

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As quickly as possible graduates
and dean the effectiveness of

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airpower rolling thunder campaign.
I indian um occur incredulous

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approach is worsening the suffering
and increasing the lawson

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innocent life. Wild unintended
casualties of war regrettable

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those associated airstrikes pale
in comparison with the savage

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acts being carried out
by an Islamic state.

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What is the logic of a policy that
restricts the use of air power

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to avoid the possibility of collateral
damage. While allowing

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the certainty of Islamic state crimes
against humanity is a question

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he poses any is a very valid line
of argument if we're trying

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to avoid once again casualty yet in not
hitting eight legitimate target.

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We're allowing Islamic star state to
continue to a commit atrocities

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in murder against the people on
the ground. How do we balance

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that so my question is.

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And you made me dancer this and
you know classified manner.

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What percentage of the strike sorties
are coming back with a

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munitions on board as is an indication
of kinda bird limitations

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and how many targets it reacts
identified. We've gone to the

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P idea made that about target but
we actually have in struck

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them specifically because of the
collateral damage limitations

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at a much tighter than the
law mine arm conflict.

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Requires or because the approval
process takes a long we just

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are unable to get so you know is
that what said number how many

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are we not hitting a legitimate targets
because of this um extreme

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constraint that we're putting
on for clad a man's.

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First for their ability to read couldn't
disagree more with retired

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general that tool and I would say
that but there's general dempsey

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ish chairman tension at some point
the future status invention can.

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Okay secondly.

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The that targeting that we do it.
We do is based on intelligence

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and we she uses you know over no
we shoes you men tweets use

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say again and we can say we got
that katie we got the idea but

57:37.870 --> 57:41.140
now we don't strike because of
the CD right. That's right and

57:41.140 --> 57:45.350
that decision is made by the commander
on the ground as a we

57:45.350 --> 57:49.880
have a number the that you know
it's it's ian 80 person or 20%

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and al-qaim it because a CD not
because a P I do I would like

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to and two and a clash a for oppression
up because I think that

57:57.400 --> 58:00.340
we're on a signal our enemies on
hallow they might avoid binge

58:00.370 --> 58:03.640
but just get an indication of whether
this is the famous really

58:03.640 --> 58:07.020
allowing us to not I see the active
in my judgment this is not

58:07.020 --> 58:10.030
to limiting factor. Okay for UFC
but the next question. I wanna

58:10.030 --> 58:13.060
follow-up we talked about earlier
as you mention even ever 16

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hundred pilots flying everyday
couldn't an engine issuing and

58:16.380 --> 58:19.420
we've got a potential all pilot
being captured with that the

58:19.420 --> 58:22.660
tense afraid of the jordanian pilot
as I was visiting the fair.

58:23.420 --> 58:26.350
Um is it. It's a mark a messaging
rescue forces there. But the

58:26.350 --> 58:30.490
remain outside iraq app primarily
because of limitations of Britain

58:30.490 --> 58:34.160
a crown and responsiveness is really
important uh uh for can

58:34.160 --> 58:36.940
as urging rescue to be able to scoop
them up right away. So we're

58:36.940 --> 58:39.860
allowing four or 50 more by uses
the gonna rock but we're not

58:39.860 --> 58:43.260
allowing your can as a gym estee
forces to go in iraq have you

58:43.260 --> 58:46.940
advise administration to move than
they are and they're not taking

58:46.940 --> 58:49.900
your advice or are you comfortable
with and being so far away

58:49.900 --> 58:52.540
with that increased responsiveness.
Great question at this point

58:52.540 --> 58:57.320
we dare operating from locations
outside of iraq and they can

58:57.320 --> 58:59.980
then they can loiter and more not
taking any more arrests at

58:59.980 --> 59:03.990
that point if we go into the point
where we were gonna all company

59:04.110 --> 59:07.530
Iraqi stirs forces that will require
not just that's why it's

59:07.530 --> 59:10.050
important than others. But it's
important to understand issues

59:10.050 --> 59:13.600
not just about put and three jay
tax forward Mm-hm. It's about

59:13.600 --> 59:16.790
putting a metre back capability
and at combat search and rescue

59:16.790 --> 59:18.860
a personal recovery capability
nick your out.

59:19.500 --> 59:23.260
And so 15 people marvin core hundred
50 bread the one at 16 pilot

59:23.260 --> 59:26.310
deep in a Syrian needs that same
responsiveness but we are that

59:26.390 --> 59:30.700
we've got PR him in hand right now
if we expand this at some point.

59:30.700 --> 59:32.860
We'll have to dress champagne
thinking and just turn.

59:33.910 --> 59:37.790
But it questions bistro cross like
commission's chairman when

59:37.850 --> 59:41.890
somebody has to be lasting certainly
appreciate the of your service.

59:42.480 --> 59:44.140
Of what does were fall of.

59:45.130 --> 59:48.060
Right where your city we like king
of dole up probably year.

59:48.660 --> 59:52.270
The actually is a day after a date
released a video of those

59:52.300 --> 59:56.620
of being burned to death thing you
can imagine is added to but

59:56.650 --> 01:00:00.740
he'd made a couple pointed resonated
with me through to that.

01:00:01.360 --> 01:00:04.080
Long is that this is our flight.

01:00:04.810 --> 01:00:08.590
Indicating that that to a can
be a christian warm ozone.

01:00:09.160 --> 01:00:12.560
That they had the fight certainly
they want our help and we're

01:00:12.560 --> 01:00:13.020
doing that.

01:00:14.290 --> 01:00:18.240
But soaking up really stuck with
me to this day is i've been

01:00:18.240 --> 01:00:20.650
fighting this fight for
14 hundred years.

01:00:22.490 --> 01:00:23.630
Fourteen hundred years.

01:00:24.380 --> 01:00:28.750
So this order reminds. Maybe what
we're following the steps here

01:00:28.750 --> 01:00:32.030
is offended by he's been taught were
arcade called whack-a-mole.

01:00:32.270 --> 01:00:34.200
He hit I'm here they
come up over here.

01:00:35.570 --> 01:00:39.660
This is a question going to
what is considered a when.

01:00:40.260 --> 01:00:43.820
A much of the discussion to he's
been about round to iraq.

01:00:44.350 --> 01:00:49.160
But Those loans are simply door
and told him up this is about

01:00:49.160 --> 01:00:49.980
the middle east.

01:00:50.820 --> 01:00:57.210
What do you see as a when is it
geographically base of and is

01:00:57.210 --> 01:00:59.960
a chore term where are
we in five 10 years.

01:01:00.550 --> 01:01:04.250
What is a when we're discussing
the middle east and then take

01:01:04.250 --> 01:01:05.000
our with ice will.

01:01:06.910 --> 01:01:10.660
Well I I think the debt intended
biscuits back to the previous

01:01:10.740 --> 01:01:16.160
that question with a about how complex
and varied or the problems

01:01:16.160 --> 01:01:17.060
of middle east.

01:01:17.830 --> 01:01:21.770
The weighed wheat greyhound ourselves
and our strategy is an

01:01:21.770 --> 01:01:23.630
American national interests.

01:01:24.310 --> 01:01:27.660
And so in these different circumstances
were trying to pursue

01:01:27.740 --> 01:01:28.630
our interests.

01:01:29.430 --> 01:01:34.580
Our interests in this particular
fight against I Saul art to

01:01:35.060 --> 01:01:42.180
um a a stop this movement from
a become mean something dating

01:01:42.180 --> 01:01:45.440
dangers friends and allies and therefore
interests in the region

01:01:45.700 --> 01:01:50.170
or that is capable of striking on
what so success in the campaign

01:01:50.530 --> 01:01:56.360
would beat the lim in 18 not every
mole as you can use your we're

01:01:56.390 --> 01:01:59.350
we're metaphor of but
every mole hold.

01:01:59.960 --> 01:02:05.310
Off and it to meet the it such that
there is no stay faith that.

01:02:05.820 --> 01:02:09.440
Forward the kind of Sever injury
defy. So represented from which

01:02:09.440 --> 01:02:13.150
it can continue the stabilize places
like to work will tour or

01:02:13.150 --> 01:02:17.290
even further afield buying best
or trying to accomplish and it

01:02:17.420 --> 01:02:21.970
I'm a it's it's difficult little
take some time but that's what

01:02:21.970 --> 01:02:25.890
the strategy is about in that particular
region for that particular problem.

01:02:26.190 --> 01:02:29.370
But this is a in every region and
or other problems as well we've

01:02:29.370 --> 01:02:30.300
talked a better wrong.

01:02:30.830 --> 01:02:34.620
Uh as a challenge um but this
is one but not the only one.

01:02:35.420 --> 01:02:39.700
General just fall upon the formation
tricky jet plane in prospective

01:02:40.090 --> 01:02:43.930
up and we can take out the whole
was you mentioned but dough

01:02:43.930 --> 01:02:47.110
we have to look at this long term
the we wanna make sure you

01:02:47.110 --> 01:02:51.550
have the tools in that are needed
but this is a long term all

01:02:51.550 --> 01:02:52.720
going because.

01:02:53.240 --> 01:02:56.670
Between defeat in one area. They're
gonna re gather come up in

01:02:56.670 --> 01:03:00.700
another air Augusta 14 wanted year
fight that the king was reflect

01:03:00.700 --> 01:03:03.210
the one you see this as an or going.

01:03:04.130 --> 01:03:08.390
A Commission I actually do in had
shed showing every opportunity

01:03:08.390 --> 01:03:12.420
that we needed and that's why we need to
put ourselves on a sustainable flooding.

01:03:13.120 --> 01:03:16.760
Across this challenge that runs
from Afghanistan and like we

01:03:16.760 --> 01:03:18.840
can certainly argue hallway
over nigeria.

01:03:19.460 --> 01:03:22.430
A sustainable flooding that allows
us to keep pressure on there's

01:03:22.460 --> 01:03:26.120
network to build partners to keep
pressure on the network and

01:03:26.120 --> 01:03:29.990
to make regional stay called issue have
alot morgan gain or lose them.

01:03:29.990 --> 01:03:33.450
We do you in the lead of and
and that's the path raw.

01:03:35.200 --> 01:03:38.240
So predictability from
the america but.

01:03:38.860 --> 01:03:41.460
Your friends are going to be there
to continue to absolutely

01:03:41.460 --> 01:03:45.020
not only has an adult has turned into
a budget herringbone predictability

01:03:45.020 --> 01:03:46.710
in a budget would help
us accomplish that.

01:03:47.540 --> 01:03:51.050
When we're over the did you lady. That's
what we're hearing that is.

01:03:51.630 --> 01:03:55.660
That you've seen that a market can
chain called walk away from

01:03:55.890 --> 01:03:58.910
their commitment or their friends
in the area nuts last thing.

01:03:58.910 --> 01:04:03.240
We wanna see so predictability is
a single most stabilizing force

01:04:03.450 --> 01:04:04.210
to bring with that.

01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:06.920
And she predicted going
persevere arms.

01:04:08.080 --> 01:04:09.110
Thank you and I you'll back.

01:04:11.270 --> 01:04:12.500
To. Thank you.

01:04:13.470 --> 01:04:16.700
Joel appreciated a secretary of
the saying our wrote down that

01:04:16.700 --> 01:04:20.580
uh kept thing about their up today
woes hope is not a strategy.

01:04:21.710 --> 01:04:25.980
Um and so I hope we have thousands
of Sudanese to slide into

01:04:25.980 --> 01:04:30.280
the training a other we're gonna do
that the good injure energized

01:04:30.280 --> 01:04:31.740
to go five I Saul.

01:04:32.520 --> 01:04:37.940
Up by we've got a ia a of I have
a beer their concerns about

01:04:37.940 --> 01:04:41.270
to whether they're gonna do dad interest
this central government

01:04:41.270 --> 01:04:45.170
we ever provision men are Bale
that says unless you you can't

01:04:45.170 --> 01:04:49.560
start a five that iraq is an inclusive
government. And we can

01:04:49.560 --> 01:04:54.910
directly arm the sunni drops and
the kurdish hirsch Margaret um.

01:04:55.420 --> 01:05:01.070
Again hope is not a strategy and man
now I'm hoping for in inclusive

01:05:01.070 --> 01:05:04.500
the you are racked with sony's joining
the fight. But you know

01:05:04.540 --> 01:05:07.580
I hope it happens. But it didn't
happen pretty quite obviously

01:05:07.580 --> 01:05:12.050
we can have I says continued to grow
announce samar note. I would

01:05:12.050 --> 01:05:15.510
hope we would have the defense
budgets grow in a predictable

01:05:15.510 --> 01:05:20.690
five to 7% every year for the next
10 years and and not only

01:05:20.690 --> 01:05:23.860
do you all but the industrial place
could plan on that and it

01:05:23.860 --> 01:05:27.020
would be a date much better
more patient system.

01:05:27.820 --> 01:05:31.840
On the other hand um we're not
in that world right now and if

01:05:31.840 --> 01:05:35.790
the president chooses to feed Tully
defend to defense bells on

01:05:35.790 --> 01:05:39.010
authorization Appropriations bill
that provide exactly as much

01:05:39.010 --> 01:05:43.420
money as the asked for because
the deadlock a label on the on

01:05:43.420 --> 01:05:46.760
some of the money your because
he wants to put more money to

01:05:46.760 --> 01:05:50.200
rule ever git for more money for the
IRS are the EPA that's gonna had.

01:05:51.110 --> 01:05:54.230
Serious consequences for military
because battle mean we're in

01:05:54.230 --> 01:05:55.840
the sea are for the rest of the world.

01:05:56.360 --> 01:05:59.960
A different story for the rest of
the year and now I'm so I hope

01:06:00.100 --> 01:06:03.890
that doug not only use to have
to deal with the real world.

01:06:03.890 --> 01:06:08.320
But the prize done as well can
can be AOL it can use hope not

01:06:08.320 --> 01:06:13.460
as a strategy public of the real
world consequences of of some

01:06:13.460 --> 01:06:17.310
of of these decisions were causes.
We've affirmed several times

01:06:17.310 --> 01:06:22.360
today HD this is a very complex
long historical background of

01:06:22.700 --> 01:06:26.230
background problems in this part
of the world um we get a deal

01:06:26.230 --> 01:06:28.940
with that as we find it not have
those we hope that would-be.

01:06:29.440 --> 01:06:33.130
Um. Ya welcome a comment you don't
need to the census Ma parting

01:06:33.130 --> 01:06:37.300
thoughts after having been here.
Let me eat a ask all finally

01:06:37.300 --> 01:06:43.270
say cheering because is my favorite
phrase that tina uh uh. It it.

01:06:45.280 --> 01:06:50.170
Good. Think that this as in every
other part of the world.

01:06:50.690 --> 01:06:57.620
Um the the who with who we we
need to up a deep practical.

01:06:58.450 --> 01:07:04.440
Uh and we're practical heard hope into
reality um some but practical

01:07:04.470 --> 01:07:07.480
what's the meaning of that slogan
and I think I'm just equity

01:07:07.480 --> 01:07:10.280
which you just not a good it's
a great point and and and had

01:07:10.280 --> 01:07:14.210
you get from a pope to the reality
a to strategy and that's why

01:07:14.210 --> 01:07:16.960
we had this hearing today to talk
about how we get from what

01:07:16.960 --> 01:07:20.770
we hope they will be from where
we are today at a and it looks

01:07:20.770 --> 01:07:25.220
like a long winding very difficult
road. I'm in the middle east.

01:07:25.440 --> 01:07:28.990
Let me ask all our gaster remain
seated. So that's secretary

01:07:28.990 --> 01:07:32.540
in the german and their party can
now up can make their way out

01:07:32.540 --> 01:07:35.390
we've held jude longer than we
intended and so whatever body

01:07:35.390 --> 01:07:36.470
all stacey did.

01:07:37.280 --> 01:07:42.840
For just a moment while all uh
our witnesses the part began.

01:07:42.840 --> 01:07:47.020
Thank you all for for being here will
look forward to a other reengage..