WEBVTT 00:11.170 --> 00:13.400 They're a good they would never sit in as dates. 00:14.030 --> 00:15.410 The house of representatives. 00:16.050 --> 00:20.000 A red devil Ellis Franco and represented Jenkins here with us. 00:21.160 --> 00:26.770 This morning as well as Uh person who can speak for our own experience 00:26.770 --> 00:31.440 of the Stanley her experiences a victim of the sexual. 00:32.120 --> 00:33.070 Um attack. 00:34.090 --> 00:40.270 Um. And then begin first swiss the deck is the year and a a protocol. 00:41.160 --> 00:45.390 I'm Jackie is that it has a very distinguished by arc of based 00:45.430 --> 00:49.580 on to say I mean this is no need for me there to read it to you 00:49.580 --> 00:50.670 I just simply say. 00:51.440 --> 00:53.440 That all of us saying heard that. 00:53.990 --> 00:57.190 Were heard the joy and her leadership. 00:58.040 --> 00:59.150 I heard um. 00:59.660 --> 01:03.490 Bulldog determination to do something about the issue of sexual 01:03.490 --> 01:06.680 assault and military we wouldn't be here today with that your 01:06.680 --> 01:07.770 leadership on this. 01:08.300 --> 01:10.800 So uh represented spear um. 01:11.870 --> 01:16.000 The um please um. We've we're glad to have you add to have you 01:16.000 --> 01:18.390 and thank you for preparing we like to have been testimony. 01:19.100 --> 01:24.480 Here. Members of the handle of his life was this off the DNA. 01:25.310 --> 01:30.920 Time. Let me first them say that as a a friend union staff her 01:30.920 --> 01:33.990 to the house representative meant to be free. 01:34.760 --> 01:37.760 I'm the youngest woman ever to serve in the comes to the United 01:37.760 --> 01:39.870 States with the one that that year five are Parker. 01:40.490 --> 01:43.580 So it's a great privilege to be with you to them. 01:44.750 --> 01:48.640 Found this woman can share of this up in the end to all the members 01:48.640 --> 01:52.320 it's well I'm here this is my colleague and for. 01:53.390 --> 01:58.040 Um. Witness to them speak on the issue of consent. 01:58.610 --> 02:03.330 In the military training and environment and how best to protect 02:03.330 --> 02:07.390 our trainees from sexual purposes by their instructors. 02:08.090 --> 02:13.210 In october 20 12 I went down in spent the night and the next 02:13.210 --> 02:15.220 day at black with air force that's. 02:16.340 --> 02:18.160 As you all know that was them. 02:19.160 --> 02:20.080 The the place. 02:20.660 --> 02:24.870 I'm aware of the whole issue of rocket around military training 02:24.870 --> 02:31.040 instructors and their trainees and be a girl travis state that 02:31.080 --> 02:33.770 the where unspent cover it as a result of that. 02:34.280 --> 02:37.910 I was them initially brief by gentle icing his support that's 02:37.940 --> 02:39.380 on the growing scandal. 02:40.370 --> 02:44.850 Let it initially been perceived by commanders as several untrue 02:44.850 --> 02:49.510 allegations of sexual Sol had snowballed into a systematic and 02:49.510 --> 02:51.000 pervasive home. 02:52.520 --> 02:56.210 What was more telling than the briefing was the opportunity. 02:56.210 --> 02:58.030 I have that one's time. 02:58.730 --> 03:03.730 To go on to the best paul and have lunch with that never again trainees. 03:04.900 --> 03:06.880 There's a pretty astonishing experience. 03:07.570 --> 03:11.160 They were 17 18 and 19 years of it. 03:11.960 --> 03:15.070 They were from places I'm across our great country. 03:15.740 --> 03:17.390 They were obviously Yum. 03:18.290 --> 03:19.410 They were naive. 03:20.100 --> 03:21.100 And they were earnest. 03:22.120 --> 03:26.660 And as I sat there are having once with them. I had this revelation. 03:27.740 --> 03:28.580 Oh my god. 03:29.240 --> 03:31.720 These girls are the same ages my. Dough. 03:34.400 --> 03:36.920 And I realize that. 03:37.610 --> 03:42.730 My daughter would be no more capable of telling a military trading 03:42.730 --> 03:44.220 instructor no. 03:45.260 --> 03:45.980 In the. Gem. 03:48.570 --> 03:52.130 As the investigations unfold it. Most of the perpetrators did 03:52.160 --> 03:56.120 that deny that they had engaged in sexual misconduct. 03:56.670 --> 03:58.130 They simply can tended. 03:58.670 --> 04:00.860 But this that flies consensual. 04:02.040 --> 04:06.480 This is also the common defense in many of the cesspit trials doubt. 04:06.660 --> 04:11.610 I am a Had one of my staff members my legislative director. 04:12.170 --> 04:13.280 Lied to lachland. 04:13.910 --> 04:15.210 Instead the week they are. 04:15.890 --> 04:18.850 Listening to the testimony that france diet. 04:20.920 --> 04:25.860 The proceedings were dominated by the question of consent. 04:27.070 --> 04:30.760 The victim contended that she felt intimidated and had no choice 04:30.760 --> 04:34.820 but to comply with the MTA supporters to have sex with him in 04:34.820 --> 04:35.550 a cup last. 04:36.470 --> 04:40.020 Although convicted of lesser charges the MTA contention that 04:40.020 --> 04:44.900 the sex was consensual purvey out and he was found not guilty 04:45.340 --> 04:46.200 of sexual slow. 04:47.540 --> 04:51.050 Doubt there have been story after story that lachland. 04:52.190 --> 04:55.590 That would make my natural curly here curled even more. 04:56.520 --> 04:59.770 But What was most talent. 05:00.540 --> 05:02.850 Was the fact that I'm. 05:03.580 --> 05:05.010 There is no question. 05:05.840 --> 05:09.220 When you get in order for the then she died that you follow it. 05:10.800 --> 05:12.420 Think you Obey every command. 05:13.880 --> 05:18.860 That as one trainee plate. It. There is no question mark. 05:19.480 --> 05:20.960 At the end of the the work. 05:23.130 --> 05:28.080 Now when it over it the loud speaker at trainee was asked to 05:28.080 --> 05:32.230 report to the storage closet are Co closet whenever wise. 05:33.470 --> 05:34.660 She did when she was told. 05:36.290 --> 05:39.720 And what transpired in there was not with her consent. 05:41.540 --> 05:44.600 Yeah that was the case of was made by the defense. 05:47.160 --> 05:53.860 He. Basic reality is that the uniform code of military justice 05:53.860 --> 05:55.060 are article one twenty. 05:55.670 --> 05:58.150 Um that govern his rape. 05:58.730 --> 05:59.700 And sexual assault. 06:00.250 --> 06:01.770 Does not take into account. 06:02.500 --> 06:08.580 That time when you are in a military training environment that consent. 06:09.410 --> 06:10.500 It is not. 06:11.780 --> 06:16.970 A mitigating factor. I believe there should just reply the Against 06:16.970 --> 06:20.690 late 35 instructors were implicated in this rape sexual abuse 06:20.720 --> 06:24.470 harassed that and other mistreatment of sixty-nine recruits. 06:25.870 --> 06:30.070 Sixty nine recruit. So what is most remarkable about this not 06:30.070 --> 06:30.500 why I'm. 06:31.120 --> 06:36.400 Not one of these sixty-nine tatties king follower ever. For. 06:40.540 --> 06:43.170 And if you spend any time with these young women. 06:43.680 --> 06:46.050 As I did a black than you would understand. Why. 06:49.640 --> 06:55.200 The fear of intimidation the fear of reprisals the level of intimidation 06:55.200 --> 06:59.080 that pervade of lachland um and dynamics of basic a a. 07:00.460 --> 07:03.750 Precluded. The victim from coming forward. 07:04.280 --> 07:07.720 Instead these allegations in the hand came from that's yachts 07:08.000 --> 07:11.160 that this is what was pretty remarkable when we were there. 07:11.650 --> 07:15.250 We did in fact speak to the it empty allies that actually blew 07:15.250 --> 07:15.770 the whistle. 07:16.580 --> 07:20.930 The irony was of course of the first anti I the first two anti 07:20.930 --> 07:25.140 eyes that lasted shaded command to report one of these. 07:25.820 --> 07:27.020 One of their colleagues. 07:27.840 --> 07:33.050 Was told by the changer pan am older than possibly the truth 07:33.050 --> 07:34.180 he such a good and too. 07:35.360 --> 07:39.150 And it wasn't until the third MTA who didn't know that the other 07:39.150 --> 07:43.320 two and she has had reported it that reported it to the Chaplin 07:43.400 --> 07:46.650 who ironically was out of the chain of command that bunny that 07:46.650 --> 07:48.770 was a recognition will maybe there's something there. 07:49.690 --> 07:54.130 But it had it just in those two empty ice nothing that are working. 07:56.270 --> 07:56.480 It is. 07:57.620 --> 08:02.460 What was most compelling after listening to these three break 08:02.490 --> 08:03.380 anti allies. 08:04.100 --> 08:06.110 They're all suffering like the victims now. 08:07.800 --> 08:11.920 The oscar science one of them said to me you know I begin to 08:11.920 --> 08:12.870 12 years. 08:13.850 --> 08:15.400 But I don't think I can take it anymore. 08:16.760 --> 08:19.540 I was thinking of retiring or. Resign. 08:22.280 --> 08:25.750 And the victims also and don't speak out or complain because 08:25.750 --> 08:29.350 of a do they know they will be recycled to go through basic training 08:29.350 --> 08:33.120 all over again and that's the last thing they want to do. 08:33.990 --> 08:37.750 After I went to lacked when I innately is a jar for 30 the protect 08:37.750 --> 08:38.730 our military training. 08:38.730 --> 08:42.370 Yeah. Which would amend article one 20 of the sea and jay to 08:42.370 --> 08:46.810 acknowledge the power imbalance between trainer and shady and 08:46.810 --> 08:49.870 reekie dies that sexual contact between them. 08:50.500 --> 08:52.150 For what it is. A crop. 08:52.970 --> 08:56.640 The bay of bail narrowly applies to this unique training environment 08:56.670 --> 09:01.150 targeting military instructors who engage in sexual acts of sexual 09:01.150 --> 09:06.710 contact with the train the during basic training and for 30 days 09:06.740 --> 09:07.540 after works. 09:08.120 --> 09:10.940 And investigation would still be conducted a case would still 09:10.940 --> 09:14.160 be belt and guilt or innocence and punishment would still be 09:14.160 --> 09:15.480 determined by now. 09:16.270 --> 09:20.280 This bill simply recognizes the reality reality that there is 09:20.280 --> 09:25.680 no such thing as consent between an instructor and the training. 09:26.450 --> 09:29.200 It's important to note that the military already understands 09:29.200 --> 09:33.300 the impropriety these relationships are the air force instruction 09:33.430 --> 09:37.740 36 dash to nine O nine prohibits instructors and trainees from 09:37.740 --> 09:40.240 engaging in and professional relationships. 09:40.800 --> 09:43.110 However this instruction does fall twice. 09:43.860 --> 09:48.170 When a trainee is taken advantage out by their instructor they 09:48.170 --> 09:53.150 too can face disciplinary action. If the commander so chooses. 09:53.200 --> 09:56.600 Another reason why x-ray the is not going to come fall. 09:57.280 --> 10:01.490 To quell the air Force's alone in or internal report on lack plan. 10:01.520 --> 10:05.790 Quote train these are afraid any relationship with the the MTA 10:06.090 --> 10:10.360 will beacons were can stir it asked essential and a them so will 10:10.360 --> 10:14.850 be charged with violating the use Tianjin a and that just wide 10:14.850 --> 10:15.670 they go for. 10:16.940 --> 10:19.400 Even after lap when this issue remains unresolved. 10:20.080 --> 10:24.160 This framework utterly failed to recognize the power trainers 10:24.240 --> 10:28.900 holdover trades. Discourages reporting and forces victims to 10:28.900 --> 10:32.560 rely on the mercy of a chain of command and as are ready failed. 10:33.480 --> 10:36.980 As we've seen holding about the perpetrator and victim culpable 10:36.980 --> 10:40.770 for a sexual offense simply does not and camera work. 10:41.850 --> 10:45.960 In a member States including washington Connecticut ohio illinois 10:45.960 --> 10:50.980 and Kansas in north carolina. It is a felony for teacher to have 10:50.980 --> 10:54.900 a sexual relationship with the student eating get that students 10:55.280 --> 10:57.130 is about the aged can set. 10:58.350 --> 11:00.580 And even if they have consented. 11:01.300 --> 11:05.410 During basic military training this power imbalances only magnified 11:05.650 --> 11:09.300 and yet trade these lack even the basic protection a having the 11:09.300 --> 11:12.650 long on their side. It is time to take action and correct. 11:12.650 --> 11:16.830 This injustice in addition to appropriate appropriately updating 11:16.830 --> 11:21.160 article one 20 the go creates a clear or their military jes says 11:21.160 --> 11:25.250 process for instance these cases with now all be investigated 11:25.250 --> 11:28.880 by specially trained criminal investigators rather than buying 11:28.910 --> 11:31.980 often bias in and trained Jamie ma'am. 11:32.810 --> 11:36.020 For them or just last year congress mandate it the creation special 11:36.020 --> 11:40.070 victims council program for victims of article one time defense it's. 11:40.840 --> 11:44.420 What the to this service branches have the option to extend this 11:44.420 --> 11:48.310 detection to entry level. Personnel victimized by instructors. 11:48.750 --> 11:49.770 Most have not. 11:50.970 --> 11:54.550 This bill would address this gap malign in sure victims receive 11:54.550 --> 11:55.300 legal support. 11:56.220 --> 11:59.330 It's been argued before this down all that while imperfect article 11:59.330 --> 12:00.760 went funny is good enough. 12:01.630 --> 12:04.600 Further changes would complicate the prosecution of cases in 12:04.600 --> 12:06.570 interfere with the development of case law. 12:07.130 --> 12:10.310 I understand this reasoning and agree that cossacks all acts 12:10.310 --> 12:15.130 of sexual contact with an article one 20 suit remain Himalayas however. 12:16.050 --> 12:19.440 I remain concerned that for service member is that the most vulnerable 12:19.440 --> 12:23.470 tied in their military careers a lot has yet to catch out and 12:23.500 --> 12:25.700 offer them the protection stages are. 12:26.540 --> 12:29.800 I'd also like to briefly come in an article one 20 reforms passed 12:29.800 --> 12:33.300 by congress in the mid to thousands. I think Colonel Christensen 12:33.300 --> 12:36.680 now the chief prosecutor in the air force senate bass in the 12:36.680 --> 12:38.930 2000 and a lot of it if you quote. 12:39.530 --> 12:43.340 If you have 100 monkeys with a tight rider they probably come 12:43.340 --> 12:46.240 up with something like this and paul. 12:47.370 --> 12:48.660 It's a great visual listen. 12:49.220 --> 12:52.360 Congress's received a lot of criticism for creating this flybe 12:52.360 --> 12:56.250 language and we deserve plenty of life are casting but it should 12:56.250 --> 13:00.660 be noted that the joint services committee primarily drafted. 13:00.660 --> 13:05.200 This language and had the that up to compress. So it was in fact 13:05.200 --> 13:10.910 the creation of the very institution um that than you know was 13:10.910 --> 13:15.390 question for the cost to chanel idea. But several concise answers 13:15.390 --> 13:19.670 mutated into a hundred pages a on our fall contradictory and 13:19.700 --> 13:21.390 on constitutional legal aides. 13:21.930 --> 13:25.620 The result wise courtroom confusion judicial frustration and 13:25.620 --> 13:26.950 cost to so complex. 13:27.590 --> 13:30.710 One of the many problematic provisions of the one 21 which was 13:30.710 --> 13:36.380 tea Das 60 which shifted the burden to the accuse to propose 13:36.380 --> 13:37.970 that otherwise consent. 13:38.510 --> 13:43.150 Rather than the prosecution having to prove there was not can set. 13:43.910 --> 13:45.110 This was I believe. 13:46.190 --> 13:49.380 In a way to correctly down it to be unconstitutional. 13:50.080 --> 13:53.690 This approach however differs greatly from a jar for 30 which 13:53.690 --> 13:57.190 narrowly applies to basic training environments and takes the 13:57.190 --> 14:01.510 question of consent completely off the table rather than shifting 14:01.600 --> 14:02.120 the burden. 14:02.690 --> 14:06.180 It's also consistent with many state law. So I referenced earlier. 14:06.930 --> 14:10.540 I urge you to recognize this reality in to help ensure justice 14:10.540 --> 14:12.180 for the thousands of men and women. 14:12.760 --> 14:15.950 Who make the choice to serve our country each and every year. 14:16.520 --> 14:20.340 Thank you for the opportunity with you today and thank you very 14:20.340 --> 14:24.430 much represented spear. I would just um within was whole questions 14:24.430 --> 14:29.250 until everyone on the panel has um. Spoken. By next down. 14:29.990 --> 14:34.510 Speakers see Hon low is Franco a from the great state of florida. 14:35.100 --> 14:37.800 We won't mention of course that she's from the great stated the 14:37.800 --> 14:38.670 your well. 14:39.920 --> 14:41.740 The hat so you where. 14:43.380 --> 14:47.760 But we really appreciate your appearance here a congress woman 14:47.790 --> 14:52.740 Franco said in the stellar record in congress and actually is 14:52.740 --> 14:58.870 a I'm responsible for I'm getting read a judicial proceedings 14:58.870 --> 15:02.930 paddle focused on this whole question of abuse of power which 15:02.930 --> 15:06.090 I'm extremely grateful and I think it's a very important contribution. 15:06.090 --> 15:10.130 This is the contribution of or be said spear so if you wouldn't 15:10.130 --> 15:13.780 mind a proceeding we would very much appreciate test on. 15:14.400 --> 15:18.710 You and I hasten bauer to this on his office it's. 15:19.310 --> 15:21.710 Gonna be here. So when I finally. 15:22.410 --> 15:27.690 Uh passes the your arm gets to the moment which is tomorrow and 15:27.720 --> 15:29.100 is there a single out. 15:30.610 --> 15:34.340 So the first are saying I and II. 15:35.720 --> 15:38.730 Jerry grandmother is is working. 15:39.860 --> 15:44.210 Mm-hm and how I think it out using your career where. 15:44.720 --> 15:46.390 Things out that in my house. 15:47.250 --> 15:49.590 Oh. It's not. 15:50.220 --> 15:54.450 Is not to get ready to work the him. I was safe was I was today 15:54.450 --> 15:59.970 from a How He I was in all of them were. Too. 16:02.860 --> 16:05.280 This is a life and he's looking for. 16:06.180 --> 16:10.040 Nation. That's what I remember mouse. 16:10.670 --> 16:12.180 About his sarah's. 16:12.740 --> 16:18.020 Is how He would and he was really well yes there. 16:18.960 --> 16:20.000 Is woes. 16:20.940 --> 16:22.460 Like uh oh. 16:23.060 --> 16:25.200 Hello around he do so so right. 16:26.300 --> 16:29.470 He didn't he use it to me that's what that was really. 16:30.420 --> 16:35.430 So why I heard this story of the Schumacher models usually in 16:35.430 --> 16:36.080 a few hits. 16:36.870 --> 16:38.710 I was so I'll say it. 16:40.100 --> 16:42.040 And I became so angry. 16:42.640 --> 16:43.920 I knew I had. 16:45.100 --> 16:46.220 And it is that the that. 16:48.440 --> 16:52.210 But I really the kind of ones used to the she asked that there 16:52.210 --> 16:57.220 were a humble is the A police team aren't showing the coast guard 16:57.220 --> 16:58.360 age 20 two. 16:59.400 --> 17:04.690 She started who can't full expectation. So is that would be be 17:05.000 --> 17:06.900 rude and she just moms. 17:08.250 --> 17:13.110 And um I would be a my son had only how he felt he wouldn't exist. 17:14.390 --> 17:17.380 This is her self confidence that that turned. 17:18.140 --> 17:19.320 Into the issue. 17:20.330 --> 17:23.510 Um when your company can mandy sexually harassed her. 17:24.030 --> 17:29.640 You'll ngos and thin and it's not a up to chill show and this week. 17:31.520 --> 17:36.630 The the costar and out she is actually a member of would boost 17:36.690 --> 17:37.630 arms mom. 17:38.200 --> 17:38.840 Home here. 17:39.570 --> 17:40.970 The This. 17:41.580 --> 17:46.380 Year. When I'm you should look at the same commander had had 17:46.640 --> 17:52.070 a sexually harassing. You know it's good look the search is sold 17:52.070 --> 17:52.900 in one game. 17:53.690 --> 17:54.770 She to matter. 17:55.450 --> 17:56.710 Costar phones. 17:57.500 --> 18:01.040 And the investigation show that the and your head forces. 18:01.040 --> 18:03.400 So I wanted the group that recruits. 18:04.230 --> 18:09.660 You see can tactics where you are the ordering her have sex with him. 18:11.330 --> 18:14.860 But the call us he use physical force. 18:16.190 --> 18:17.530 He had for her. 18:18.080 --> 18:20.220 He had an easier for life. 18:21.050 --> 18:23.550 He was jars the sit on a. 18:24.860 --> 18:27.800 Maltreatment is so supportive and. Adultery. 18:30.280 --> 18:31.770 Consensually it confine. 18:33.840 --> 18:37.650 So you may some bars that india was an early show the victims 18:37.650 --> 18:38.740 of the commander. 18:39.280 --> 18:41.130 They were used not once. 18:42.450 --> 18:44.270 That's for us for the new standard. 18:44.930 --> 18:45.640 Yeah assistance. 18:47.120 --> 18:49.360 So it's very very great. Yeah baby. 18:50.030 --> 18:52.980 Decided to provide the house and that's how he. 18:53.720 --> 18:54.210 That good. 18:54.870 --> 18:56.600 Uh which is really a. 18:57.230 --> 19:00.200 The need to fight on and then into the 19:02.090 --> 19:04.620 Finally there to get defense authorization act. 19:05.480 --> 19:09.800 Cruises today this province you do like this and how to conduct 19:09.830 --> 19:10.570 was asked me. 19:11.580 --> 19:14.900 Of insists is indian forces in which a member of the armed forces 19:15.280 --> 19:15.950 has committed. 19:16.530 --> 19:21.220 A sexual act fathered by using his position changes can hit the 19:21.630 --> 19:26.210 person taking taxis were forced to pursue made. 19:27.910 --> 19:30.950 Assessment that to life and consequences of change the law. 19:32.220 --> 19:35.410 Stewart. Here too. Goes. 19:36.260 --> 19:39.630 Uh-huh. And The difference. 19:40.460 --> 19:42.000 She says and then the she's right. 19:42.950 --> 19:48.270 And not too happy about that uh I so we're all I'm just years. 19:48.830 --> 19:50.070 Statute here today. 19:50.690 --> 19:51.760 I'm focusing on. 19:52.850 --> 19:57.720 Oh. Too late and they can you suggest. Oh.. It. 19:58.250 --> 20:03.270 It. Uh. Oh. 20:25.160 --> 20:26.490 So this is good. 20:27.410 --> 20:27.980 Is run. 20:29.090 --> 20:31.660 This time was it was suggested to west side. 20:32.960 --> 20:34.830 A budget officer who works. 20:35.980 --> 20:36.830 To us. 20:37.760 --> 20:40.320 Me. Research on the counter says that that. 20:42.430 --> 20:43.440 And so. 20:44.690 --> 20:47.480 You in the definition of break which narrow hats. 20:48.200 --> 20:48.950 The five. 20:50.090 --> 20:52.350 Ah. And fun. 20:53.130 --> 20:54.900 The Sensations to. 20:57.170 --> 20:59.740 The persistently too distracted to show I. 21:00.400 --> 21:04.840 Bought a one said unlawful force against the person you see these 21:05.230 --> 21:06.880 two three four five six. 21:07.910 --> 21:11.360 The new lomond we she would be using their position the 21:12.910 --> 21:14.050 This will do great nation. 21:15.300 --> 21:16.500 It's an for the show. 21:18.290 --> 21:21.060 And indeed to guess a change was used to them. 21:21.720 --> 21:22.270 Well one. 21:24.740 --> 21:26.420 To the. Definition. 21:29.590 --> 21:30.310 At the moment. 21:31.230 --> 21:35.150 This is the new was confines position the turned into. 21:35.820 --> 21:39.840 The To do it one more person. 21:40.450 --> 21:44.080 So. This this is one way. 21:44.620 --> 21:46.210 To the uses master of. 21:47.060 --> 21:47.990 This is is is. 21:49.760 --> 21:50.420 Why try. 21:51.110 --> 21:53.370 So we're here he's using. 21:55.160 --> 21:55.780 That's just one. 21:56.590 --> 21:57.950 Saying this was a. 21:59.210 --> 22:01.200 Well it's House. 22:02.720 --> 22:05.110 Oh. Most of what. It. 22:06.290 --> 22:07.910 We're. I can be or. 22:08.600 --> 22:09.340 The evolution. 22:10.120 --> 22:10.970 She is a hair. 22:11.740 --> 22:12.200 To you. 22:13.050 --> 22:14.430 And set this wednesday. 22:16.270 --> 22:19.070 The She she life. 22:20.270 --> 22:22.100 The woes for life. 22:23.880 --> 22:25.040 The what she was. 22:26.660 --> 22:27.240 But no one. 22:29.180 --> 22:29.890 You have. 22:31.110 --> 22:34.330 Be. He was so. 22:35.120 --> 22:37.870 The And I just want it. 22:38.900 --> 22:41.040 Oh. Leash yeah. 22:41.870 --> 22:42.300 Is that. 22:43.000 --> 22:44.470 Or lessons in that. 22:45.110 --> 22:50.640 They that they all day the us and we must. Oh. 22:51.150 --> 22:51.330 Is. 22:52.540 --> 22:57.340 And Thank you very much colors lynn Franco appreciate your testimony 22:57.340 --> 22:59.320 your being here in your constructive. 22:59.840 --> 23:02.060 Suggestions and now we'll hear from. 23:02.580 --> 23:03.960 A felicia moral. 23:04.910 --> 23:07.780 Thank you very much for coming a no it can't be see for you but 23:07.810 --> 23:08.100 we it. 23:08.690 --> 23:11.580 Very much appreciate your you're doing this. 23:13.000 --> 23:16.580 Wow. Yeah yeah yeah very good. 23:18.590 --> 23:24.450 Oh. Very PS. 23:25.490 --> 23:29.080 It's There are yeah. That.. Yeah. 23:33.480 --> 23:38.530 Yeah. Yeah the to me. 23:39.110 --> 23:42.850 Or where Was. 23:44.510 --> 23:46.610 Uh. That we are here. 23:47.480 --> 23:49.930 The Nice to meet you. 23:51.260 --> 23:52.430 Are a lot this year. 23:54.230 --> 23:58.010 It's a it's. We're. 23:59.660 --> 24:01.810 Sir. They're very 24:03.680 --> 24:06.440 Right here is it right. It's. 24:10.300 --> 24:11.210 As much here. 24:12.320 --> 24:12.870 A great mom. 24:13.940 --> 24:14.800 Hey he's. 24:15.830 --> 24:17.330 Or Me. 24:17.990 --> 24:19.770 Sleep. I E.. Yeah. 24:20.960 --> 24:24.880 Yeah. And you get that. 24:25.900 --> 24:26.250 See. You. 24:29.360 --> 24:31.220 Yeah there is a really good. 24:31.900 --> 24:34.120 I was a great summer league. 24:36.490 --> 24:37.510 And I E. 24:39.230 --> 24:40.120 We are here. 24:40.780 --> 24:44.270 It's He said. 24:45.800 --> 24:46.320 A great. 24:47.020 --> 24:51.430 You will be were fewer here. Sing. Here. 24:52.620 --> 24:56.200 Yeah. So it made. 24:57.720 --> 24:59.120 Yeah. You do. 25:01.190 --> 25:02.520 He says the clothes were. 25:03.440 --> 25:05.840 Yeah. 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Right see he'd be really good. 29:54.810 --> 29:56.050 If current fantasy. 29:56.570 --> 29:57.450 As ever. 29:58.640 --> 29:59.940 Now they are in great. 30:00.490 --> 30:02.690 Is. This series. That. 30:05.390 --> 30:09.180 Is me and great what my shoot me is. Rises. 30:10.340 --> 30:10.530 This.. I 30:12.570 --> 30:20.360 I Turned the viewer sees that were made here degree you did your 30:20.360 --> 30:25.480 has me a right here in the I use the worst is yet first. 30:26.000 --> 30:27.250 Right right here gracie. 30:27.890 --> 30:28.440 That person. 30:28.970 --> 30:30.640 Here. Yeah he. 30:31.240 --> 30:32.670 Says. Yeah it with that. 30:33.290 --> 30:34.850 Written and finally mark in that. 30:35.510 --> 30:37.360 I honestly root boots Riley. 30:38.150 --> 30:39.060 However you indicate. 30:39.620 --> 30:41.290 He's for a three. 30:42.200 --> 30:42.670 You dress. 30:43.550 --> 30:51.250 That's It's hard to win they're likely makers here who were them. 30:51.680 --> 30:52.420 We're we're. 30:53.000 --> 30:53.640 Is here. 30:54.420 --> 30:58.070 You just one is not trying to say to the right here. 30:58.940 --> 31:00.810 Even though se sit. 31:01.470 --> 31:03.720 He may be safe. Right. 31:04.370 --> 31:10.040 So. You never know there are you hearing this either very good. 31:11.280 --> 31:16.070 Artists. It is my he he he really didn't practice. 31:16.620 --> 31:17.140 This year. 31:17.840 --> 31:22.390 Color. You were a result he he he. 31:23.240 --> 31:23.880 Silly hat. 31:24.380 --> 31:31.180 And Her you for that she thought that the one that she finally. 31:31.780 --> 31:35.490 Sit here when you see right now. It's nice. 31:37.050 --> 31:42.000 Get all lineout for syria or where he and his up this year. 31:44.370 --> 31:47.360 This in his or roughly nine months and one person. 31:49.030 --> 31:50.170 Is the worse. 31:50.780 --> 31:51.520 That says. 31:52.210 --> 31:54.910 Busy. It's Yeah. 31:55.640 --> 32:00.220 I He was harassed so. 32:00.770 --> 32:03.250 He is the way we feel a little. Sour. 32:05.590 --> 32:08.070 He has soared to a career as he. 32:08.650 --> 32:10.630 All right. First.. He. 32:11.570 --> 32:15.620 He. The sun. 32:16.740 --> 32:17.140 You see. It. 32:22.210 --> 32:23.860 Everything else that I sit. 32:25.500 --> 32:26.940 Yeah. As it is. 32:27.680 --> 32:29.020 Yeah. It is. 32:31.630 --> 32:32.620 It's So. 32:33.470 --> 32:34.650 And the use of. 32:35.460 --> 32:38.350 Things. This year you. 32:39.380 --> 32:40.420 He did it in there. 32:41.230 --> 32:43.630 He he soccer you do that. 32:45.950 --> 32:48.320 As someone who is for a lot worse. 32:49.810 --> 32:52.080 Yeah yeah she here. I was in. 32:53.150 --> 32:53.360 The. It. 32:57.600 --> 32:58.180 I think you. 32:59.740 --> 33:05.210 Okay. Yes thank you are known had to the colder has been and 33:05.240 --> 33:09.520 is but we are very very grateful that he took the time and trouble 33:09.520 --> 33:09.950 to come. 33:10.780 --> 33:13.830 Just to Taylor of never zip hallam had an opportunity to question 33:14.010 --> 33:14.470 is to him. 33:15.350 --> 33:18.310 Uh yes uh thanks to reach number of the power for being here 33:18.310 --> 33:22.550 on and like to especially much more our for sharing what hash 33:22.550 --> 33:25.460 for a very tough story. Thank you so much for your courage and 33:25.460 --> 33:26.920 for sure and that was to die. 33:27.660 --> 33:30.790 I'm a commercial was we're a thank you for your leadership and 33:30.790 --> 33:32.930 all your work in this very important area. 33:33.460 --> 33:38.050 You mention during. The course of your testimony that other States 33:38.050 --> 33:41.520 have adopted laws somewhat some alert of that which it proposed 33:41.520 --> 33:44.900 in the belle but we that us to look at you have any idea how 33:44.900 --> 33:47.520 that's working in the state should have adopted district law 33:47.520 --> 33:48.420 that will be approach. 33:49.450 --> 33:53.110 And my understanding is that it's working you have or what. 33:53.630 --> 33:55.110 Um I have no reasons there. 33:55.890 --> 33:59.650 To doubt I could research it's the more and use an additional feedback. 33:59.730 --> 34:02.720 But I don't have any the death of that suggest that that's the 34:02.800 --> 34:03.210 problem of. 34:03.730 --> 34:06.470 One of the things or I just didn't of course is best practices 34:06.470 --> 34:10.070 from other jurisdictions. So it but we're possible into a decline 34:10.070 --> 34:12.260 in the muscle of like that will be helpful to the panel. 34:12.790 --> 34:13.200 Like you've. 34:13.740 --> 34:17.560 Um the cars from a freckles like you also for suggesting that 34:17.560 --> 34:21.790 our cattle consider this important topic and even though of course 34:21.790 --> 34:25.080 i've just had a a quick chance to glance at the proposal that 34:25.080 --> 34:27.640 you put before us maduro question about it. 34:28.190 --> 34:33.600 The A pretty words seem to be edited using their position of 34:33.600 --> 34:34.220 a party. 34:34.730 --> 34:38.460 And yet when I went to the definition that also was edit the 34:38.460 --> 34:43.110 defamation position of party main superior and right to another person. 34:43.900 --> 34:47.100 There are situations in the military although some more rare 34:47.490 --> 34:49.380 for someone may actually be. 34:49.980 --> 34:53.540 Superior to the person and there are supervising or inferior 34:53.540 --> 34:55.830 to the person they're super and the medical community fortune 34:55.830 --> 34:59.860 Apple you might have a a a major who is actually in a supervisory 34:59.860 --> 35:03.320 position over a lieutenant Colonel because he or she is a more 35:03.320 --> 35:07.140 cheers cardiologists. So passion that wouldn't do any violence 35:07.140 --> 35:11.140 to your definition if we 20 forever someone wanted to tweak that 35:11.140 --> 35:14.590 to save use in their rank or position of authority because it 35:14.590 --> 35:17.150 could be either in a military context a mark right. 35:19.040 --> 35:23.810 My suggestion but I really easy to figure out what's that. 35:25.060 --> 35:25.770 For hours. 35:26.600 --> 35:29.970 How is just the which I think you should. 35:30.560 --> 35:35.610 Right situation as someone who's in charge another person responsibilty 35:35.610 --> 35:36.770 all of the thank you. 35:37.580 --> 35:38.070 I'm sure. 35:38.660 --> 35:40.200 Um and we'll Tracy. 35:41.420 --> 35:44.320 Thank you and miss more. Oh thank you for being well and to serve 35:44.320 --> 35:49.190 in and our apologies for how it a transpired not cumbersome and 35:49.220 --> 35:52.600 um spear on the guy had a chance to consider whether they are 35:52.630 --> 35:55.780 other circumstances that why I'm not I'm. 35:56.290 --> 35:59.900 As confined perhaps is the printing environment is as you described 35:59.900 --> 36:04.040 it on my present awesome or so word of no way out to kind of 36:04.040 --> 36:09.540 a circumstance for a victim ship for beauty for deploy a operations 36:09.570 --> 36:13.670 where there is an to wait to be gone the even for the the day 36:13.970 --> 36:18.140 off or your your confined to with a location you know why I have 36:18.140 --> 36:21.890 not the caz lachland was the such a glittering. 36:22.400 --> 36:25.950 Um black car though I for me to be addressed there probably are. 36:26.450 --> 36:31.210 The other circumstances player had no way out applies but you 36:31.210 --> 36:33.390 know what we look at sexual sockman military. 36:34.490 --> 36:38.920 The likelihood of that happened. Typically is from first to come 36:39.320 --> 36:43.380 to a member of the military so it's in that that the early years 36:43.610 --> 36:48.860 force at the end of your career and your interests is just about 36:48.860 --> 36:53.850 getting out to those that are typically the times that predators 36:53.930 --> 36:55.450 friday on. 36:55.960 --> 36:59.870 Individuals. Within the known to and if I could just say. 37:00.530 --> 37:05.860 Alisha your story was so well in the nation. So great um and 37:05.890 --> 37:10.050 it underscores the damage that is that because I think it probably 37:10.050 --> 37:15.780 opry he faces piece three buying. Well trained young members 37:15.780 --> 37:17.230 of the coast guard left. 37:19.250 --> 37:22.890 There's no longer the coast guard and many of these my young 37:22.890 --> 37:25.410 recruits and trains um our. 37:26.120 --> 37:30.170 Applying because they wanna make a career of the military and 37:30.170 --> 37:31.720 then their dreams get. 37:33.410 --> 37:35.500 Wiped out he has in the 60 years. 37:36.140 --> 37:39.120 And that's I think one of the greatest that he's not mentioned 37:39.200 --> 37:41.670 in the absolute four of the. Experience. 37:44.650 --> 37:48.650 It's just so I'm yes I will someone thank you will from being 37:48.650 --> 37:51.850 your kid who really been a helpful um. 37:52.500 --> 37:57.140 I guess the question I have a commission spear ios um which you 37:57.140 --> 38:03.180 like us a it to be a I'm just a dressing you um. You know. 38:03.680 --> 38:08.180 All would you like us to independently included even uh in in 38:08.180 --> 38:11.380 the in our of our a. Responsibilities. 38:12.020 --> 38:14.890 Well I certainly want you to consider my they'll but if you wanna 38:14.890 --> 38:18.740 go beyond that and look at other circumstances that create an 38:18.740 --> 38:21.630 environment where it really is no way out. 38:22.640 --> 38:26.300 You have to have you because I can promise from Franco's. 38:26.870 --> 38:30.670 Ideas as well and thank you into an for comers mum about the 38:30.670 --> 38:33.200 final I was gonna say what I thought was. 38:33.920 --> 38:39.050 The It is it based on the you or the testimony with which might be. 38:39.950 --> 38:43.920 Difficult was the worded using their position of authority because 38:43.920 --> 38:48.130 I think that the In some reason sense of like we just heard some 38:48.130 --> 38:50.960 of those offices are gonna say why didn't you use my position 38:50.960 --> 38:55.480 of a party kind of all wonder how to do anything. I'm informant 38:55.480 --> 38:59.750 it if it just say something like using explicitly or implicitly. 39:00.250 --> 39:03.340 Their authority because I think most of these of and if the implicit 39:03.710 --> 39:07.330 and the many never gonna be able to be a not crazy enough to 39:07.360 --> 39:09.910 or a well maybe some of all the one to see the statue. 39:10.440 --> 39:14.080 To just gonna imply that they had things are gonna happen and 39:14.080 --> 39:16.990 I think that's enough of these 17 eight to them liking girls 39:17.230 --> 39:22.020 to be pretty stay it. So I just wondered if I as the for the Wall. 39:23.110 --> 39:24.600 Here's where I think uh oh. 39:27.620 --> 39:32.140 Oh. Boom boom boom one of the reasons I think is very important to. 39:32.810 --> 39:35.470 Changes that right. There. 39:38.750 --> 39:40.850 And you don't wanna passage moi. 39:41.930 --> 39:43.340 A situation where. 39:44.200 --> 39:45.720 It was not. Consensual. 39:48.050 --> 39:49.090 The victim. 39:49.790 --> 39:50.880 Walk-on followers. 39:51.650 --> 39:53.260 Made this situation. 39:53.840 --> 39:59.750 We're not in session a situation where there is not why harmful testified. 40:00.560 --> 40:05.180 Um and sometimes when you shoot is to write. 40:06.170 --> 40:10.740 Oh or in certain cases it was a huge you only have situations 40:10.740 --> 40:12.060 and strict liability. 40:12.980 --> 40:15.710 Times why he pulse and she wishes because. 40:16.300 --> 40:20.720 You want you wanna have that situation was someone who is it's 40:20.750 --> 40:23.030 too late non essential situation. 40:23.870 --> 40:25.540 Um. To the hat. 40:27.150 --> 40:29.140 When it isn't it will get the most you. 40:29.850 --> 40:31.040 He said it was. Here. 40:33.960 --> 40:36.750 Our guests and I'm a passionate about a half an home. 40:38.210 --> 40:41.700 Beat back into first it but I'm still worried that eight person 40:41.700 --> 40:45.840 who was in a miss marrow's position uh action may say that one 40:45.840 --> 40:48.910 of the friends consented cushy. But you have no choice on the 40:48.910 --> 40:53.390 person might even say on the Spain and I consented but I will 40:53.420 --> 40:54.610 it's because I was worried. 40:55.640 --> 40:58.560 Um and I think that's still gonna give the prosecute is a difficult 40:58.560 --> 41:00.270 time to figure out what to do with that. 41:02.120 --> 41:05.100 So I got I I don't know if we need to think about the dressing 41:05.100 --> 41:09.530 that just throw I want you to say this is was that was what was 41:09.530 --> 41:14.400 it was suggesting. What is not may not be for the day you have 41:14.400 --> 41:15.690 just get these. 41:16.500 --> 41:17.470 A farce. 41:18.700 --> 41:19.450 Police yeah. 41:20.290 --> 41:23.360 Visit and make it in the us obviously. 41:24.170 --> 41:30.140 Oh there needs to be and That is to be is just quietly said that 41:30.170 --> 41:30.620 the jar. 41:31.550 --> 41:32.020 The with. 41:34.520 --> 41:35.970 Ensue to fashion. 41:36.990 --> 41:38.290 That and so is. 41:38.960 --> 41:41.280 For us. So. 41:42.080 --> 41:45.790 Oh. Maybe it was a very english. 41:46.850 --> 41:51.410 You look what happens is just if you just go mr. Liability for. 41:52.350 --> 41:53.010 Some time. 41:53.850 --> 41:57.420 That is that somebody who so yes. 41:59.010 --> 41:59.450 As the 42:00.930 --> 42:01.770 Ready to go. 42:03.680 --> 42:04.200 This week. 42:05.300 --> 42:09.780 Uh. Well that the power to see here is that the problem because 42:09.780 --> 42:13.760 we don't have sentencing guidelines a in BBC and jay. 42:14.330 --> 42:17.490 The the penalty can run the gamut that what. 42:18.100 --> 42:22.000 What we're trying to fix here's. The fact that there is no opportunity 42:22.000 --> 42:26.630 for consent in that train situation and if you make it strict liability. 42:26.630 --> 42:30.900 So that at least they that's not been very good team defense 42:30.940 --> 42:35.070 that one consented because it's absurd to think that they do. 42:35.650 --> 42:37.750 It just goes this is not just be. 42:38.540 --> 42:41.110 You're nurses were modified are much. Writer. 42:43.640 --> 42:45.110 And it just chime. 42:45.610 --> 42:50.180 In. And I are just the other question that the I'd be happy anybody 42:50.180 --> 42:52.650 addressed was I kept hearing. 42:53.360 --> 42:54.450 Oh yeah mama. 42:55.050 --> 42:57.030 Uh in the one situation. 42:57.540 --> 43:01.670 To people came following um and lachland air force base but it 43:01.670 --> 43:04.150 was until the third one painful with that something happened 43:04.150 --> 43:08.020 and in miss marrow's pay. She kept explaining how they felt like 43:08.020 --> 43:10.760 they have nowhere to turn that she's. 43:11.330 --> 43:16.020 Training of police. I'm a it that that as a police official man. 43:16.020 --> 43:19.200 One. I know they have an internal affairs bureau which is separate 43:19.200 --> 43:22.870 from the normal reporting a situation and I'm just wondering 43:22.870 --> 43:24.160 if the in needs to be. 43:24.710 --> 43:28.190 A separate way. So that even if we change the statute it the 43:28.190 --> 43:29.530 young women don't come fall what. 43:30.130 --> 43:32.580 Uh because there's still laureate regardless of the fact that 43:32.580 --> 43:35.680 meaty easy to get a conviction it there's still not gonna come 43:35.680 --> 43:36.170 fall weighed. 43:37.190 --> 43:39.770 Feel like this somebody to talk to that they can who's gonna 43:39.770 --> 43:40.800 take it seriously. 43:42.010 --> 43:42.820 I think much do. 43:43.390 --> 43:45.910 What one of really addressing the problem and I just wonder if 43:45.910 --> 43:51.190 the needs to be. A a either I don't know who that person is but 43:51.520 --> 43:55.650 an some other kind of reporting official who was available to them. 43:56.310 --> 43:58.020 Even by hot line whenever. 43:58.680 --> 44:02.260 I'm so that they can lodge a report that gets taken seriously 44:02.260 --> 44:05.240 like it lachland for while wasn't that I don't know yemeni towards 44:05.240 --> 44:09.350 about that that and This is so it's important in the last one 44:09.350 --> 44:13.390 situation to recalled that not one of the victims of a painful 44:13.630 --> 44:17.170 these are anti artists who would have the observing this other 44:17.170 --> 44:19.600 anti up and then he found out that there were thirty. 44:20.170 --> 44:22.030 Two and he eyes that were engaged. 44:22.730 --> 44:26.720 Of So any and I are very strong. 44:27.420 --> 44:31.180 Um. Feelings about the importance of taking it up achieve it. 44:32.000 --> 44:36.330 And until they're downs know that there is some external over 44:36.450 --> 44:39.670 to that's going to. Be fair. 44:40.390 --> 44:41.160 And not. 44:41.730 --> 44:42.740 That good too. 44:43.520 --> 44:47.600 See you know. Just the vagaries of a chain of command that that 44:47.600 --> 44:48.170 was that. 44:48.920 --> 44:53.250 The perpetrator is the perpetrator um. You know it's. 44:53.820 --> 44:57.310 I don't think we're gonna change. You know we have actually a 44:57.420 --> 45:01.590 elevated he reviewed to blackiston. Oh six now. 45:02.590 --> 45:05.570 But I am not convinced that didn't know. 45:06.090 --> 45:07.770 That was so that you. 45:08.490 --> 45:09.420 It really nice. 45:10.080 --> 45:13.290 And that's the larger question taking it entirely of that to 45:13.330 --> 45:17.600 me and so that the victims feel confident that there's gonna 45:17.600 --> 45:22.130 be an external review the is indeed independent right now. 45:22.130 --> 45:25.470 It's the convenient for him that makes the decision and makes 45:25.470 --> 45:28.110 decision whether or not investigated the first place and then 45:28.110 --> 45:31.790 even after it's investigating um makes the final decision as 45:31.790 --> 45:34.340 to whether or not it's that the work. 45:35.090 --> 45:37.050 The city of the sexual assaults. 45:37.590 --> 45:42.110 Pursuing need to be report able to be reported to say in inspected 45:42.110 --> 45:45.310 gentle somebody who's somebody what uniform and trophy isn't 45:45.310 --> 45:51.570 that can not mcshane a coming out slow yes. Oh. Yeah just the 45:51.950 --> 45:56.640 her that today and it was in charge of me. Said. 45:59.980 --> 46:03.210 Yeah. Wow what we are. Yes. 46:04.550 --> 46:06.710 Now. It was fun. 46:07.880 --> 46:09.130 Same for it. 46:10.230 --> 46:16.430 The It's nice that you are quite nice guys and her. 46:17.210 --> 46:17.750 This is. 46:18.280 --> 46:19.520 The that you know what is it. 46:20.050 --> 46:20.920 Time for its. 46:22.070 --> 46:23.380 A of so well. 46:24.600 --> 46:26.730 Yeah. Say right over. 46:27.860 --> 46:29.550 Here. As far. 46:30.200 --> 46:36.680 Oh. If I had a life is this just a lot like jingoism to. 46:37.310 --> 46:38.090 No this. 46:38.630 --> 46:42.980 Definition. And that this is that even the Dictate takes and 46:42.980 --> 46:45.030 capstone what was saying. Oh. 46:46.950 --> 46:52.230 He. Instead of using a Magician with the early be explosive. 46:53.990 --> 46:58.890 Impressively. The city were explicitly using their position ever 46:59.210 --> 47:00.540 be. Forcibly. 47:03.510 --> 47:04.510 Well is. 47:05.350 --> 47:09.170 Me to say it is not a good idea to write legislation. Right here. 47:09.200 --> 47:12.960 I what's routed tell palm clothes and withstood this at three 47:12.960 --> 47:15.650 like 100 me but I think that I waited doing. 47:16.230 --> 47:17.790 Thank you um. Yeah. 47:17.880 --> 47:22.540 Yeah. But let me just desk a few questions here. First of all I'm. 47:23.450 --> 47:28.610 I I think these suggestions a really important and uh. I'm glad 47:28.610 --> 47:28.980 that you. 47:29.570 --> 47:32.680 Elevated it and require us to take a look at it. 47:34.200 --> 47:39.000 First. Um Carson as the year let me ask you this because I haven't 47:39.000 --> 47:43.930 really studied that's but I can see the Attacks coming. 47:44.830 --> 47:47.650 A of course is that was the issue of we don't want to change 47:47.650 --> 47:50.320 the system and stability in support and so on. 47:50.900 --> 47:53.550 But if you're you're here should've been burning because that 47:53.550 --> 47:57.070 was at least one person who testified earlier who said they should 47:57.070 --> 47:59.290 be strict liability or a. 47:59.840 --> 48:01.900 Somebody who is from the military. 48:02.580 --> 48:05.470 But the wasn't speaking for anybody but himself but that was 48:05.470 --> 48:06.010 to you. 48:06.670 --> 48:10.170 Um let me just ask you this does it does does it from an lincoln 48:10.170 --> 48:11.310 said create. 48:12.220 --> 48:14.780 In other words having strict liability removing the issue of 48:14.780 --> 48:17.880 consent this act create any constitutional issues have you looked 48:17.880 --> 48:20.340 at that right but I think that. 48:20.870 --> 48:26.480 Mm you can rely on the fact that other States have passed laws 48:26.770 --> 48:30.450 that have created strict liability with the teacher student relationship 48:30.900 --> 48:36.590 and that comes to show question was raise a and um the The original 48:36.890 --> 48:39.860 ipad today with the fact that you to shift to the part in this 48:39.860 --> 48:44.560 case it's okay cities so nothing that you understand would created 48:44.560 --> 48:48.850 pass too small um problem with this my second question has to 48:49.100 --> 48:49.720 do with. 48:50.880 --> 48:53.250 Um. Whether you think. 48:54.760 --> 48:57.190 This is not a very well practice that you'll together. 48:57.990 --> 48:59.980 Where do you think it is that. 49:00.830 --> 49:04.100 There's some way to this problem can be a dressed baby not getting 49:04.100 --> 49:06.640 to strict liability but getting a little bit to. 49:07.190 --> 49:08.730 White that car was summoned frankly. 49:09.650 --> 49:16.080 That may be IDC tweet game will be there um to us through a judicial 49:16.080 --> 49:18.040 benchmarks or through. 49:18.650 --> 49:20.060 A sit good of order. 49:20.840 --> 49:25.880 Whether some of this kind that could be covered and if he assisting statue. 49:26.750 --> 49:29.240 The civically looking at the term. 49:30.170 --> 49:33.520 The rafts threatening more place. You know the person in theory 49:33.550 --> 49:35.510 the waist Eddie's right. Now. It's not good. 49:36.390 --> 49:40.260 But because it's not pick if he I don't know if you have a if 49:40.260 --> 49:41.530 you look at this freckles.. Um. 49:42.950 --> 49:50.130 Um. Um they all and page to raise. Well the end of bottom page 49:50.160 --> 49:54.250 to be guinea pig three threatening replacing of the person in 49:54.390 --> 49:54.900 the year. 49:56.230 --> 49:58.120 Could potentially copper. 49:58.960 --> 50:01.740 This alone wine which is really not good. 50:02.480 --> 50:05.690 But I am sorry that I don't mean to spring this sign you but 50:05.690 --> 50:08.020 if you have any thoughts as to whether. 50:09.300 --> 50:15.440 Um executive and executive order by the president could. Clarify. 50:16.160 --> 50:17.430 This and make it. 50:18.080 --> 50:20.780 Applicable to situations were air. 50:21.340 --> 50:24.080 The wrongful act would be the sexual act itself. 50:25.110 --> 50:28.890 And so that that could convert this kind of a case and the kinds 50:28.890 --> 50:30.910 of cases that I'm. 50:31.820 --> 50:35.810 Consume spear you're racing but but I I don't have an answer 50:35.840 --> 50:36.450 a but. 50:37.100 --> 50:40.980 Um I I just throw that out for your consideration and you're 50:40.980 --> 50:44.080 so what's in your suggestions to last I'm not saying it's better 50:44.080 --> 50:45.040 than the statue. 50:46.000 --> 50:50.640 But if we can't get a statute would some kind of executive. 50:51.260 --> 50:53.330 A glass on this language. 50:54.130 --> 50:56.410 How can I guess my only um. 50:57.540 --> 51:00.850 Concern there would be if this already. Yeah and the statute right. 51:01.450 --> 51:04.320 Right that the statute the weights rate in its threatening or 51:04.320 --> 51:08.890 placing that person is that it to the wrongful action contemplated 51:08.920 --> 51:13.020 by the communication for the action. I E I'm just asking whether. 51:13.760 --> 51:16.050 Whether this ole of of this. 51:17.720 --> 51:21.000 Creating a gloucester and interpretation through executive order 51:21.000 --> 51:25.020 that would make that provision usable and this context I'm not 51:25.020 --> 51:28.500 saying it's as good that I'm I'm not doing and I'm just saying 51:28.850 --> 51:32.930 quote that the tweet inside to whammy legislative levi to in 51:32.930 --> 51:35.660 sake it were otherwise to make it usable. 51:36.260 --> 51:41.000 I'm in in helping to protect a people who was subjected to this 51:41.000 --> 51:41.930 kind of these. 51:43.320 --> 51:46.410 Well if you don't have any thoughts now that spying on this point 51:46.410 --> 51:49.510 but if you happen there and I mean that but that didn't about 51:49.510 --> 51:52.920 the right away to be having some later point some thoughts about 51:52.920 --> 51:55.330 how we could look at that I'm. 51:56.090 --> 52:00.690 Uh that way of addressing the problem. I'm a wu I would appreciate that. 52:00.780 --> 52:02.710 Okay. I will look at. 52:04.070 --> 52:07.880 That's a no I no way to diminish uh the importance of your suggestion 52:07.920 --> 52:11.380 for the desirability of solving these problems from a statutory 52:11.380 --> 52:13.280 pointed you which is generally. 52:14.010 --> 52:15.020 The best thing to do. 52:15.770 --> 52:19.590 Um. I don't have any for the questions. But I just again was 52:19.590 --> 52:23.680 thank you for raising its rio a critical issue and a a major 52:23.680 --> 52:27.640 gap in the statute sell. Thank you very much and thank you again 52:27.720 --> 52:29.580 tomorrow be your testimony. 52:30.890 --> 52:32.100 Okay. Yeah or 52:33.450 --> 52:34.450 That will. 52:35.050 --> 52:35.720 Her work. 52:36.830 --> 52:41.400 Good. Sure we would appreciate will take it for the record and 52:41.400 --> 52:42.680 will go on our. Website. 52:44.930 --> 52:46.560 Thanks again very much it..