WEBVTT 00:02.540 --> 00:05.980 Ah are permitted to interview general dempsey up to tell you 00:05.980 --> 00:10.360 upfront as an all butter myself that. I'm Marty DNC is an officer 00:10.360 --> 00:14.100 of and geordie's the admiration and respect of about every officer 00:14.100 --> 00:16.820 whatever server. So i've met in including depths and that's not 00:16.880 --> 00:19.150 that's chili something that every of regional law syringe all 00:19.250 --> 00:23.920 but assure you the best have before bda I'd aided balance on 00:23.920 --> 00:25.480 that very slide. Introduction. 00:27.380 --> 00:30.930 Until densely driver of Westport as I did a great way to break 00:30.930 --> 00:34.520 admit this two years after I have sold millions had. Oh I don't 00:34.520 --> 00:37.240 think we encounter until I was an upper class and or employees. 00:37.900 --> 00:42.370 The but he said has served in the eyes season since 19 74 conditioned 00:42.370 --> 00:46.010 in armor shuttle autonomy and cowboy in a second or workout regimen 00:46.010 --> 00:48.070 german can ban third armored cameras. 00:48.990 --> 00:52.230 The first armored division in a rock and you know suvs claim 00:52.230 --> 00:55.980 moved all the doing the acting commander CenturyTel the director 00:55.980 --> 00:58.960 of are treading in dakar command which he attempted to trigger 00:58.960 --> 01:02.870 a how we think about this strange complexity of warfare in the 01:02.870 --> 01:06.340 20 first century prior to becoming the cheapest out for the army 01:06.340 --> 01:09.690 and some scored the turn the joint use that but I E dead one 01:09.690 --> 01:12.870 more quoi does is to be the complexity of being the chairman 01:12.870 --> 01:15.950 when we talk about when you did yesterday and I guess for the 01:15.950 --> 01:16.850 talk to is guys. 01:17.380 --> 01:20.520 Use here in new york to me with a group called that friends on 01:20.520 --> 01:21.180 Wall Street. 01:21.700 --> 01:25.460 He then spent the evening that stand up for girls. Last my and 01:25.460 --> 01:27.760 saying new york new york and should also tell you. 01:28.310 --> 01:31.630 The general dempsey is the finest baritone ever to be chairman. 01:32.010 --> 01:35.450 She says to harvard out of a number of occasions for those people. 01:36.110 --> 01:38.790 We're joined today by his lovely wife guinea and the two. 01:38.790 --> 01:43.160 Oh there will be going over to me was since the NBA all star players. 01:43.850 --> 01:47.410 Up for the program ncr is something different food but it's the 01:47.410 --> 01:50.630 demonstrating that need to stay connected between the military 01:50.980 --> 01:54.480 and the community and filing I think I can to that the thing 01:54.480 --> 01:57.550 that job ensues probably proudest of is there are three great 01:57.550 --> 02:01.460 kids all through the answer the military are are serving and 02:01.460 --> 02:04.620 six grandkids one particular case our across. 02:05.300 --> 02:06.160 No one alive. 02:07.240 --> 02:10.140 Float away with that bound for their do please of lays adobe 02:10.140 --> 02:13.720 about them. So sure that your cell phone to turn off. 02:14.750 --> 02:17.820 And we'll do about 30 minute discussion between Yemen on and 02:17.820 --> 02:21.300 then we'll take it to a question answering more about the human 02:21.300 --> 02:23.830 it begins for an honor clothes can see. 02:24.510 --> 02:27.650 Let's begin answer is joanne out on you know the focal point 02:27.650 --> 02:31.580 of the council kurt importantly is of course that in relationship 02:31.580 --> 02:34.040 between ethics and international affairs. 02:35.180 --> 02:37.930 With doesn't mind altering leaders yourself and delight in noted 02:37.930 --> 02:41.270 that speaks legally duck a professional military ethic. 02:41.930 --> 02:45.100 Continued supply this audience brief fully what that he is and 02:45.100 --> 02:48.490 why that is critically crucial to the military profession. 02:50.190 --> 02:55.080 Well uh for so thanks thanks churned. Right in the um a wishing 02:55.080 --> 02:58.270 upstairs before we kinda whatever my can me up that I was upper 02:58.270 --> 03:04.440 west point just a week ago it and uh visited my uh. Oh the english 03:04.440 --> 03:08.970 department all minor pointed to chechen time with them and they 03:08.970 --> 03:13.610 were all recently back from a session right here on a an effort. 03:14.390 --> 03:18.340 Handed were shown the she asked to get that it actually got nervous 03:18.340 --> 03:22.190 because you don't normally see you know people were studied philosophy 03:22.190 --> 03:23.790 get all upset about anything right. 03:24.690 --> 03:25.490 But to um. 03:26.000 --> 03:29.550 No honestly in it with this was connection faculty like. So thanks for. 03:30.100 --> 03:32.840 And britian them. We've always thought that west point in new 03:32.840 --> 03:35.420 york city on I have a special relationship women. 03:35.990 --> 03:39.510 Twenty million people roughly in the near metropolitan area show 03:39.830 --> 03:42.000 mash leader stay connected. So censure known. 03:43.630 --> 03:47.080 The military you know any profession be freud is your own on 03:47.080 --> 03:50.880 an altar profession has to do not a profession just because you 03:50.880 --> 03:51.740 show your right. 03:52.510 --> 03:55.520 Although some people do that we we throw the term professional 03:55.520 --> 03:58.720 around kinda loosely but to be to truly be a professional. 03:59.730 --> 04:02.840 Yet to some particular skills and expertise. 04:03.720 --> 04:08.120 Ours is shouldn't about color to use a hunting confers um the 04:08.120 --> 04:13.770 management of violence we disperse violence on be have of the nation. 04:14.570 --> 04:18.740 Well that's a pretty tall order and showed takes in in credibly 04:18.870 --> 04:22.070 skills than an expert population to do that. 04:22.930 --> 04:26.750 But to do it responsible it requires the next step which used 04:26.780 --> 04:32.210 a a a professional the to urge um a us a set of behaviors. 04:32.790 --> 04:39.010 Um that allowing you to live a life a against a set of actors. 04:39.630 --> 04:42.010 And it then if we don't have those two things together if you 04:42.010 --> 04:48.190 have a military profession that is it's charged with and has 04:48.190 --> 04:51.710 the shaken trash to the nation to use violence respond to win. 04:52.590 --> 04:55.260 The stew we we is a nation believe violence. 04:55.910 --> 04:58.850 Can or should be years responsibly and then if you don't have 04:58.850 --> 05:00.820 that that professional be for us. 05:01.370 --> 05:05.780 To under to provide the foundation for the For the for dispersing 05:05.780 --> 05:08.690 rounds we'd be in a much different place not only asian military 05:08.690 --> 05:11.320 division nations. So that's why it's so important and then there's 05:11.320 --> 05:14.280 other thing to know about commitment to continuing education 05:14.280 --> 05:16.710 bow structured and shelf that they'll developmental. 05:17.300 --> 05:21.040 And as a lesson about six your seven things that provide for. 05:21.560 --> 05:25.260 Thus the metric to allow us to measure whether we're actually 05:25.490 --> 05:29.580 living up to the title of perfection just lie. So important because 05:29.580 --> 05:31.190 of what we do for the nation. 05:32.220 --> 05:35.050 You're a others of the Aussie under contemporaries. We start 05:35.050 --> 05:38.600 commission in the military and you also I that we both agree 05:38.600 --> 05:42.000 the military right now joins 20 popularity hold the great to 05:42.220 --> 05:45.380 know greatest section the American people is helm during high 05:45.380 --> 05:48.390 esteem but again when you know my work condition I never your 05:48.390 --> 05:51.660 ago that that was not this show in the case in the Oscars lie spigot. 05:51.660 --> 05:54.630 Officer don't don't assume the best necessarily. 05:55.220 --> 05:59.650 Be given um doesn't mind there has been at times has are not 05:59.650 --> 06:03.020 I think perhaps that the steam of should at is due to that in 06:03.020 --> 06:06.080 here is to me to think that there's been shallow said that of 06:06.080 --> 06:09.520 late there's been real concerns use voice um we've seen senior 06:09.520 --> 06:13.050 officers over the last couple years really afraid to step to 06:13.050 --> 06:16.970 do a sexual harassment relieved over issues have to do with alcohol 06:16.970 --> 06:20.490 relieved for cheating on examinations. We say no in the last 06:20.490 --> 06:24.140 three days a couple senior officers near force responsible for 06:24.500 --> 06:26.890 and inter weapons to really really you did bases. 06:27.470 --> 06:29.380 Uh what does that concern you. 06:29.960 --> 06:34.640 Is it perhaps a manifestation of duo 13 years of combat that 06:34.640 --> 06:37.730 this particular force there's been an under growing or is it 06:37.730 --> 06:41.300 merely reflection that we live in a much more transparent society 06:41.330 --> 06:45.390 where you know the 24 seven news cycles. So those people who 06:45.390 --> 06:49.020 are doing which you do said are held in higher scrutiny in. 06:49.700 --> 06:50.610 Yes ok. 06:52.010 --> 06:55.170 The And the impact the initial over here. 06:55.680 --> 06:58.950 I think show all those things are factors a um. I think. 06:59.650 --> 07:02.690 But for me anywhere in when I discussed this with our senior 07:02.860 --> 07:05.190 a officers and non commission options. 07:06.100 --> 07:09.970 It was in the last 13 years of conflict it wasn't the crucible 07:09.970 --> 07:14.770 of war that can stretch to be come in a bid in bishop. One. 07:14.840 --> 07:15.720 What's called that. 07:16.780 --> 07:18.340 But rather that the pace. 07:19.550 --> 07:23.450 Prevented us from actually being reflected in going into environments 07:23.710 --> 07:26.790 continuing education number one of the things I said that march 07:26.820 --> 07:31.750 any profession is a commitment to continuing education to development 07:31.750 --> 07:32.310 over time. 07:32.850 --> 07:35.840 And the military has had since i've been and since you are on 07:35.840 --> 07:42.960 the has had a very um predictable and structured series of educational opportunities. 07:43.900 --> 07:47.400 Placed at important points along the way to show that you couldn't 07:47.440 --> 07:51.210 get out of the you know them now Sturm if you will of day-to-day 07:51.210 --> 07:56.210 activity going to win more or less academic environment a among 07:56.210 --> 07:59.020 your peers and sometimes with international students she. 07:59.640 --> 08:03.140 And the inter agency partners from other from other departments 08:03.140 --> 08:05.920 are the United States government and argue about that which are 08:05.960 --> 08:10.270 that even not only about the the broadly the use of an alternation 08:10.270 --> 08:14.040 of power but a particular weapon systems like remotely piloted aircraft. 08:14.460 --> 08:19.040 Well what happened over time. It we got so busy from 2000 roughly 08:19.040 --> 08:21.120 three you about 2000 and ten. 08:21.880 --> 08:27.640 That we went from that a a profession that valued education that 08:27.830 --> 08:33.330 time spent in education which valuable was reward it by promotion 08:33.330 --> 08:35.370 and but selection for can men. 08:35.960 --> 08:39.930 To a point where we undervalue did that for a period where you 08:39.960 --> 08:43.840 you know if you are a major serving in my division then you had 08:43.840 --> 08:47.270 a choice to go either to that can manage and a staff college 08:47.270 --> 08:52.540 of Fort leavenworth Kansas or stay and be the deputy director 08:52.540 --> 08:55.970 of operations for the division all of your mentors would've said 08:55.970 --> 08:59.630 state in the fight staying right here stay with the day to day 08:59.900 --> 09:01.950 because that's what's going to be rewarded. 09:02.720 --> 09:05.770 And they weren't the promotion boards started Rework during the 09:05.840 --> 09:09.750 war started rewarding time interact time in Afghanistan more 09:09.750 --> 09:13.890 than they valued. You know time spent teaching it watch point so. 09:15.050 --> 09:18.750 Number one from under valuing it to dream about doing it where 09:18.990 --> 09:21.740 education for pair time actually became and I did it. 09:22.300 --> 09:25.600 In other words you know you you've gone to school you must not 09:25.600 --> 09:27.350 be committed to the temple. 09:28.400 --> 09:31.880 Well I became that can enter training and action can and subsequently 09:31.880 --> 09:35.560 cheese Stephanie army. You um we put some teeth if you will back 09:35.560 --> 09:39.520 into our policy to make sure that you couldn't get from again 09:39.520 --> 09:42.700 you couldn't get selected for command and my shoe when treating 09:42.700 --> 09:44.120 these education which judges. 09:44.730 --> 09:47.060 And it's in those education inspirations where you learn. 09:47.060 --> 09:48.010 That's theory of. 09:48.520 --> 09:49.240 Ethics right. 09:50.210 --> 09:53.770 Uh and behaviors and Benny rather practice it but if you don't 09:53.770 --> 09:56.670 first learned the theory your out there and you don't have the 09:56.670 --> 10:00.370 tools in a to measure yourself against what it means to be poured 10:00.370 --> 10:03.200 much prefer that was the single biggest factor but the other 10:03.200 --> 10:05.900 things you mentioned are clearly a case part of that part of 10:05.900 --> 10:09.730 the issues. Well you know the ubiquitous presence of the media. 10:10.250 --> 10:13.320 What about you can't blame the media for mean enough if you're 10:13.320 --> 10:16.300 well-behaved the media can see you the well-behaved as well as 10:16.300 --> 10:20.630 it and so you being in this at the record up to put the pressure. 10:21.530 --> 10:26.710 Last but not least we we are a T profession of human being and 10:26.820 --> 10:30.130 you know that you're never gonna have a hundred percentage of 10:30.130 --> 10:34.290 any population act consistently important thing is that the you 10:34.290 --> 10:37.610 hold people accountable when smasher to dish up and actually 10:37.610 --> 10:41.270 got a little sloppy about that in the last 10 or 12 years why. 10:41.820 --> 10:43.280 Well actually this right here. 10:44.480 --> 10:47.870 You know you you have someone who does something in usually wow. 10:47.900 --> 10:51.650 You know what they'll. He's really been hard it and maybe reading 10:51.650 --> 10:52.330 in the break. 10:52.880 --> 10:56.610 Not against you know being compassionate in the disperse show 10:56.610 --> 11:00.600 of accountability and and uh and gestures. 11:01.250 --> 11:06.550 But you have to understand bed over time too much compassion 11:06.580 --> 11:10.560 in in me in the dish in the dispersed in addition can can lead 11:10.560 --> 11:11.430 to understand. 11:12.050 --> 11:14.510 And I think our standards have got a well but but we're we're 11:14.510 --> 11:16.620 back he was ceos and the news. 11:17.200 --> 11:20.000 Uh and and when you do will be huge for all the people can one 11:20.000 --> 11:21.440 not for being surprised. 11:22.930 --> 11:25.920 There's no doubt about you know we talked about a bit to before 11:25.920 --> 11:30.200 we came out to re bralo when very complex conflicts in a rock 11:30.280 --> 11:31.970 syria in this can stand. 11:32.810 --> 11:35.460 Uh human today. For example I was talking with local and nears 11:35.460 --> 11:38.540 about airstrike slice like you watch out about against another 11:38.540 --> 11:42.810 group um in syria that we saw that to can explosive capability showing. 11:42.810 --> 11:45.430 How fractured and more complex that come up with this. 11:46.580 --> 11:50.120 A senior leader in and really unbelievable of army strike a balance 11:50.120 --> 11:54.380 between questions of ethics and craft and surrounding will prosecuting 11:54.380 --> 11:58.240 worker in the chicken wire received. For example. The focal point 11:58.240 --> 12:01.840 encore bunny and a lot of to the news talk about their why shouldn't 12:01.840 --> 12:05.060 we directly intervene 300 thousand people might be endangered 12:05.060 --> 12:08.290 in syria for maybe thousand circle bought. It will be murder 12:08.290 --> 12:12.170 by says we sing these terrible videos of executions even this 12:12.170 --> 12:15.860 morning frankly uninterrupted from los Angeles. There won't a 12:15.860 --> 12:18.570 lot of pressure when are we gonna intravenous and see these horrible 12:18.570 --> 12:20.830 acts by crisis and some people now. 12:21.410 --> 12:25.020 Of even compare that to the genocide of the nazis are of genocide 12:25.020 --> 12:28.370 in Kosovo have so how do you balance it out to complex and by 12:28.370 --> 12:31.830 rickman those questions of morality like that gick we confronted 12:31.830 --> 12:35.990 by this Venus and in the world with the need to work together 12:35.990 --> 12:40.030 with other allies and other institutions in prosecuting a clear strategy. 12:41.470 --> 12:45.990 Not super question and she and some of all the military in particular 12:45.990 --> 12:48.610 is kind of are we're kind of a victim of around success me. 12:49.220 --> 12:53.920 In the sense that you know people will suggests that we were 12:53.950 --> 12:58.200 we certainly must be able to see things near real time and therefore 12:58.200 --> 13:00.770 chose to do something about it richter right show. 13:01.370 --> 13:04.820 Indications quote money is a pretty lush an example of that annette 13:04.820 --> 13:09.710 we've documented derision we've gone back into Baghdad in inter 13:09.740 --> 13:14.810 deal and into iraq in general is that we've identified dish group 13:14.840 --> 13:18.410 which as actually separated is shelf from other groups that we 13:18.410 --> 13:22.930 already felt were dangerous and evil and ideologically you know 13:22.980 --> 13:26.350 and to better cool to everything we believe that this group had 13:26.350 --> 13:29.890 actions separated itself from that and show they were and you 13:29.890 --> 13:33.830 know clearly uh something that had to be the dealt with. 13:34.360 --> 13:39.370 I'm in showed doing. So we adopted a strategy that said that 13:39.400 --> 13:44.610 we would do this through a credible partners brown partners in 13:44.610 --> 13:48.670 the region notably at least initially with the correct history 13:48.670 --> 13:52.890 forces the patch Margaret were up we well at some point a and 13:52.890 --> 13:56.660 westy supported the tragic but and we'd builds economy. 13:56.660 --> 14:00.420 Remarkable coalition action and in a in and an intentional longtime 14:00.880 --> 14:04.330 mission nations in this coalition that if you're told me a year 14:04.330 --> 14:07.910 ago we could bring ben into a coalition ici out on punch in acting 14:07.940 --> 14:08.270 that that. 14:08.870 --> 14:13.110 So the coalition the show and As you alluded to go the croatian 14:13.140 --> 14:18.210 is PS pat. You know fitch if there are you know 22 with think 14:18.210 --> 14:18.920 nation there's. 14:19.510 --> 14:23.810 A who are contributing in some way to either the supportive notre operation. 14:23.810 --> 14:25.210 Hormone giraffe or shell. 14:25.770 --> 14:31.530 That means you have 22 different sets of agenda tread a and in 14:31.530 --> 14:35.470 that part of the world of porsche. There's um it. 14:36.440 --> 14:40.080 Clarity is not inject where word you would ever a shot into the mentally. 14:41.170 --> 14:46.670 And show these 23 genders play out in men's in this kind of opaque environment. 14:47.750 --> 14:53.410 And the point of all that it was it your requires a certain strategic patients. 14:53.880 --> 14:57.810 So that you do um. You first do no harm. 14:58.550 --> 15:01.460 In trying to maintain the coalition. 15:02.120 --> 15:06.280 And at the same time deliberately build enough over credible 15:06.280 --> 15:10.990 indigenous fours that can overcome this group called I solar 15:10.990 --> 15:12.620 ice assured dodge depending on. 15:13.170 --> 15:14.130 How you dish for a. 15:14.690 --> 15:17.410 Joke something like a bounty patch open the demand shouldn't 15:17.410 --> 15:21.290 illusion or you have to stop the slaughter worse in german and 15:21.290 --> 15:25.300 in some cases were able to do that in other cases the issue is 15:25.300 --> 15:30.510 so north of olive or right now just almost uh and it's are group 15:30.510 --> 15:31.470 excuse for. 15:32.210 --> 15:35.220 And the more you try that's it it's like the high timber principal 15:35.220 --> 15:38.360 are tempted touch it it changes and you you know you have something 15:38.360 --> 15:43.160 new to can share so that dishes this as a case of staying true 15:43.340 --> 15:49.460 to the To the principle that we well overtime defeat I guess 15:49.460 --> 15:49.740 I I. 15:50.450 --> 15:55.540 And we'll do it through regional actors. Not despite regional actors. 15:56.090 --> 15:59.520 And there's going to be cases where there are where I so we'll 15:59.520 --> 16:02.690 have tactical success butter for true to the principle. 16:03.220 --> 16:06.100 That overtime um we believe we can. 16:06.690 --> 16:09.740 We can defeat by so with that and by the way. I soul. 16:10.570 --> 16:13.830 Will only be I chose not gonna be you know there's I still is 16:13.830 --> 16:17.790 not gonna be defeated. I'm with them solely with the military 16:17.790 --> 16:22.020 entrant are what local uh I still to be defeated ultimately is 16:22.020 --> 16:23.910 that the Syrian population. 16:24.500 --> 16:29.060 Twenty million sinead between Damascus and Baghdad dish and franchise. 16:29.160 --> 16:32.390 They don't have a government in which date trick that they trust 16:32.390 --> 16:33.040 their bully them. 16:34.400 --> 16:35.960 And that changes. 16:36.860 --> 16:40.950 And then we supplies the military pressure to build time into 16:40.950 --> 16:43.490 the strategies show that the government of iraq can. 16:43.990 --> 16:46.780 Reconcile with the city population with the uh. 16:47.360 --> 16:50.360 And with the Tench martinek that kurdish population and find 16:50.360 --> 16:52.200 some credible Parker in surely. 16:52.870 --> 16:56.080 That's will happen is that those populations will ultimately 16:56.080 --> 16:59.610 reject is radical ideology with a us in should poorer. 17:00.350 --> 17:04.160 But every time we'd leap over that principle and take charge 17:04.160 --> 17:07.840 of something our shells we actually inch that some of those set 17:07.840 --> 17:11.420 back the strategy of that was so ds related delicate. It is it's 17:11.420 --> 17:12.850 a balancing act between. 17:13.360 --> 17:14.990 The horror of watching. 17:15.600 --> 17:19.270 I'm sure the trashy that his group is willing to commit and it's 17:19.270 --> 17:23.640 a shame time doing what we can to stay true to the strategy. 17:24.180 --> 17:28.070 Um and um and again back to the media than the see this as one 17:28.070 --> 17:31.760 of those cases were you know the media will flock to the particular 17:31.760 --> 17:35.230 position on upping credit coming over a lot to wear the the The 17:35.230 --> 17:39.160 story is motion Shea chanel and it can it can to newman wage 17:39.160 --> 17:40.030 they're not all of how. 17:40.710 --> 17:43.880 Well impression next affront that use that to common and maybe 17:43.940 --> 17:46.890 like is very insightful. But there's 20 million Sudanese between 17:46.890 --> 17:50.590 Damascus that they had been gotta be presented an alternative 17:50.590 --> 17:54.370 that's for rule is gonna this isn't all about so ness is re relate. 17:54.870 --> 17:58.400 The are if you will have to defeat the narrative of I says that 17:58.450 --> 18:01.790 the ideology a vice is the military component used right. 18:01.790 --> 18:05.330 Since prescribe is a critically important that you talk a little 18:05.330 --> 18:08.430 bit more about is you deal as you do with where you sit with 18:08.430 --> 18:11.360 the inter agency and the state department and the former justice 18:11.360 --> 18:14.990 the times perhaps and the central intelligence agency as well 18:14.990 --> 18:18.610 as their their counterparts in other nations now we have a special 18:18.610 --> 18:21.060 envoy joel. You know very well to do that. 18:21.860 --> 18:24.720 He talked about about Halloween. How we singer jon is that of 18:24.720 --> 18:27.530 pat it. We didn't work in these other areas of information and 18:27.530 --> 18:29.820 diplomacy endeavor aspect of of works. 18:30.370 --> 18:34.180 A more is is just a matter of you will of taken up asian george 18:34.180 --> 18:37.400 cannons book and we're gonna try to contain this problem until 18:37.400 --> 18:40.910 it's sort of burns out using use for is based on its internal 18:40.910 --> 18:44.550 contradictions there. What would take too long. Yes should you 18:44.550 --> 18:48.120 notes or to simply containers. So running contain was initially. 18:48.650 --> 18:51.600 Of course part of the strategy as they were making that have 18:51.600 --> 18:55.080 momentum right joe initially was content will we're well into 18:55.080 --> 18:55.980 now disrupting. 18:56.690 --> 18:59.850 The and the director sturdy forces in particular are starting 18:59.850 --> 19:03.310 to venture out of the What's your point. There's nine lines of 19:03.310 --> 19:07.090 effort um strategy that you know with ta-da that there's nine 19:07.090 --> 19:10.430 lines of effort and the military is a one line of effort. 19:11.160 --> 19:14.820 Um the military strikes the air campaign and then there's a train 19:14.820 --> 19:18.060 advises just in-build partner component which is to shed. 19:18.690 --> 19:20.090 And bedding with a. 19:21.160 --> 19:26.010 Away. We are having reflections that I'm that some of the counter 19:26.010 --> 19:29.010 financing work against a shows have an effect where they were 19:29.010 --> 19:32.570 paid $200 a month before about these various funding strange 19:32.570 --> 19:36.140 the foreign fighters and Now they're getting paid $50 and like 19:36.140 --> 19:39.430 any red blooded labor they're not all that happy about. 19:40.020 --> 19:43.970 So the counter financing and then there's a counter messaging can. 19:44.480 --> 19:49.290 Which is to say how can we a stripper where the mythologies of 19:49.600 --> 19:54.210 a uses energy and strip away string instrument and Challenging 19:54.210 --> 19:57.570 way though in our system of government were to what your action 19:57.570 --> 20:01.510 Chengdu strip away its religious legitimacy this aspiration to 20:01.510 --> 20:05.050 be the calla fit to be the you know the end of days. 20:05.570 --> 20:09.490 Um sunni three acre she and a look across and say for example 20:09.490 --> 20:11.220 just as or ended with the sheer. 20:11.860 --> 20:16.150 Um sect of Islam and in iran so all of those lines of efforts 20:16.210 --> 20:20.630 are actually progression alone my personal view is just the other 20:20.630 --> 20:23.790 seven are actually more important than the two. 20:24.440 --> 20:27.830 That average botched before but the ones were responsible for 20:27.830 --> 20:30.420 get all the notoriety because I make the most noirs. Frankly. 20:32.810 --> 20:35.830 This talk about your role as that no other you on a senior military 20:35.830 --> 20:38.690 advisers difference. United States. He said that pinnacle of 20:38.690 --> 20:42.610 the the civil military relations prominent in our democracy. 20:43.190 --> 20:46.280 That requires you to have strike that incredible bounced between 20:46.280 --> 20:50.540 candid advice Walt the same time the men's team player being 20:50.540 --> 20:51.670 care prizes that. 20:52.410 --> 20:53.770 For the administration. 20:54.720 --> 20:57.570 Bracelets and commentator suffered examples of the to as a question 20:57.570 --> 21:01.160 is manifest in sought over our commitment possibly deploying 21:01.290 --> 21:05.960 troops to factor up a and people in administration says a nurse 21:05.960 --> 21:09.400 one adviser rice in said about on the market instead ground troops 21:09.400 --> 21:13.520 to iraq value in and you've said that I might well have to recommend 21:13.520 --> 21:16.380 that present some point doing better lease sending. If I just 21:16.860 --> 21:19.840 so can you can talk about the challenges of that the chicken 21:19.840 --> 21:23.510 are position and civil military relations of advise in the present 21:23.510 --> 21:27.530 Walt the same time. Being if you knew you need to be a team player 21:27.760 --> 21:30.560 and this you know democratic society that we hold. So dear. 21:30.900 --> 21:33.990 Yeah on the show I would have chosen team player. That's not 21:33.990 --> 21:37.120 one that iraq. Yeah you know me what what uh what I would say 21:37.150 --> 21:40.010 years first of all the couple. She um. 21:40.780 --> 21:45.440 I've got to um be able to be candid and provide my advice to 21:45.440 --> 21:48.080 the pressure to the Scheck debts to the national security council 21:48.080 --> 21:49.560 on to the pressure managed it. 21:50.390 --> 21:53.750 And this agreement asian dish loyalty about them about a where 21:53.940 --> 21:57.730 I can tell you with great integrity that the president doesn't 21:57.730 --> 21:59.740 consider dish agreement. Dish lot. 22:00.600 --> 22:05.700 At least from it and so if now out you know what he does one 22:05.700 --> 22:09.130 of the things I told him not you know you may not like this notion 22:09.130 --> 22:11.010 shirley in your other life. 22:11.630 --> 22:14.520 But one of the things I tell the president is on never communicate 22:14.520 --> 22:15.460 with you through the media. 22:16.280 --> 22:18.670 But the top of the software right in there that you shouldn't 22:18.670 --> 22:20.990 be communicating with you know I shouldn't be here and there 22:20.990 --> 22:26.150 you are well with the iMac and uh if if I haven't had a conversation 22:26.150 --> 22:28.250 with the president he estimated this year's and I'm not gonna 22:28.250 --> 22:28.890 talk about it. 22:29.480 --> 22:33.170 And if I didn't have my advice and each still deciding whether 22:33.170 --> 22:34.920 to take it and uh I'm not gonna talk about. 22:35.660 --> 22:39.610 One sea goddess defiant any if he takes my by says fun music 22:39.610 --> 22:42.380 president if he doesn't take mine lives. That's also fun. 22:43.560 --> 22:47.490 But I gotta be able to say when asked in testimony before congress 22:47.490 --> 22:51.340 because I also have responsibilities by the constitution to maintain 22:51.340 --> 22:54.410 a relationship with the congress and to inform them on strategy. 22:54.830 --> 22:58.210 I gotta be a los eight when somebody says did you get device 22:58.210 --> 23:00.480 and present you're so did did you take it no it in. 23:01.160 --> 23:03.240 Well why didn't you take it. I don't know I asked him. 23:04.060 --> 23:07.630 The But here's the thing you gotta know I'm. 23:08.970 --> 23:12.030 The one thing I had learned I'm on the different chairman and 23:12.030 --> 23:15.040 I was three years ago frankly I don't I didn't know it at the 23:15.040 --> 23:16.500 time but I know looking back. 23:17.540 --> 23:20.880 One of the things that I think that the military opposed all 23:20.880 --> 23:23.740 of its senior elected officials is nice. 23:24.370 --> 23:27.180 A auctions not ultimatums in our words. 23:28.070 --> 23:31.060 They're not just one way to accomplish anything. 23:31.620 --> 23:35.330 And the other way one of the principles of military leadership. 23:35.930 --> 23:38.090 Is never let the blush run out of options. 23:39.140 --> 23:42.440 So I think that's true by the way that that in the military leadership. 23:42.440 --> 23:44.970 I think it's a principle of leadership that you should always 23:45.210 --> 23:48.970 seek to never because the decision maker to run out of options. 23:49.640 --> 23:55.250 Hasn't. Yet it does but your your approach should be always to 23:55.250 --> 23:56.700 find options. 23:57.260 --> 23:57.960 And then. 23:58.590 --> 23:59.910 Responsibility years. 24:00.440 --> 24:03.060 When providing those options to articulate rest. 24:03.650 --> 24:05.300 So here's a higher risk option. 24:05.920 --> 24:08.080 Here's the moderates gouging. Here's a little risk. 24:09.030 --> 24:10.680 Which won the are recommend well. 24:11.750 --> 24:13.460 The right and then on the military. 24:14.480 --> 24:18.900 But then when the other an factors are put in there you might 24:18.900 --> 24:21.100 find the dishing goes to moderate or high risk. 24:22.070 --> 24:25.950 And that's the way the that's the way that this system is actually decide. 24:27.440 --> 24:31.170 In this format. I can explain that to you know that it's not 24:31.170 --> 24:34.500 about confronting the president with an either or crappy either 24:34.500 --> 24:35.830 do with my where it's gonna shit. 24:36.380 --> 24:39.670 It's more about with any president but when i've worked for three 24:39.670 --> 24:43.400 of them now it's more about out the first vote coming to some 24:43.400 --> 24:45.130 common understanding of the prop. 24:45.970 --> 24:51.560 We we we drive to the solution sometimes all of us before really 24:51.560 --> 24:54.280 understand the problem. You know you're probably know this guy 24:54.280 --> 24:57.440 he taught social science are wesch point that einstein had of. 24:58.030 --> 25:00.990 Had are great saying if you if you only have an hour to save 25:00.990 --> 25:04.920 the world spend 55 minutes of an understanding the problem and 25:04.920 --> 25:08.770 five minutes solving and I'm telling you that is absolutely true 25:08.770 --> 25:09.180 to their. 25:09.700 --> 25:13.060 So my first obligation is make sure we have a common understanding 25:13.060 --> 25:16.200 of the problem. The second is to provide options in the third 25:16.200 --> 25:17.320 is toward taking a rest. 25:18.090 --> 25:21.550 And then he makes our elected officials in our system of government 25:21.690 --> 25:25.250 make a decision you will never I hold while on chairman. 25:25.900 --> 25:27.130 Hear anyone say. 25:27.700 --> 25:29.180 This is done she strategy. 25:29.730 --> 25:33.060 That she doesn't have a not but I don't think that to shake. 25:33.760 --> 25:36.420 This is the bird the strategy of the United States government. 25:36.980 --> 25:39.710 In which I have had a role in shape and advise. 25:41.090 --> 25:44.440 They're gonna melissa Joan. Now can do for a job right your the 25:44.440 --> 25:48.110 most which is a question to answer period. Oh I would ask the 25:48.110 --> 25:51.220 following I will you know of knowledge who's gonna ask questions 25:51.460 --> 25:53.650 please rise please uh I'm. 25:54.170 --> 25:56.920 Move over to the microphone. So we can make sure we get the audio 25:56.920 --> 25:58.260 crack the reset of over here. 25:58.800 --> 26:00.410 That every no incentive cooler. 26:00.960 --> 26:02.510 Of please identify yourself. 26:03.130 --> 26:06.300 And uh we wanted sprees as many questions as possible. So please 26:06.300 --> 26:09.090 make sure you keep your questions concise and I will warn you 26:09.090 --> 26:11.780 out for I will be brutal. If you go. 26:12.470 --> 26:15.090 Okay. So who would like to as the first question. 26:15.920 --> 26:17.110 After that really gentle. 26:17.900 --> 26:22.030 No one another and that the brave man after that comes is an 26:22.030 --> 26:23.020 interesting than you about. 26:23.680 --> 26:25.360 I've never been an of and you're quite liked it. 26:25.970 --> 26:27.790 The thing whale showered. There's more biggs. A. 26:34.910 --> 26:35.780 Yeah it's enough. 26:37.310 --> 26:41.040 Did you that they'd and turn them. I can't yet which could be. Purposeful. 26:45.490 --> 26:45.970 There you go. 26:47.450 --> 26:50.570 But you actually know because it's really transmitting matter. 26:52.470 --> 26:54.310 I can go for it. 26:54.900 --> 27:01.290 Um how would you of the you wait E ethical or conduct op recent 27:01.340 --> 27:05.880 war are barak israel against its opponents a. 27:06.470 --> 27:11.310 Same to may for more aware of the Extraordinary measures were taken. 27:11.820 --> 27:16.760 To um to limit to pick casualties civilian casualties on that. 27:17.330 --> 27:22.210 Oh and that operation them. I just wanted to mount watcher of valuation. 27:23.030 --> 27:24.480 Yourself for a tough. It's. A. 27:27.750 --> 27:30.290 Now the reason I say that is early on in mind. 27:31.220 --> 27:34.600 In my 10 years chairman for some reason and uh uh I get asked 27:34.660 --> 27:37.430 to this day. I came figured out. I was portrayed as being. 27:37.980 --> 27:42.350 Anti israel and mine and mine a invite shutter was shocking because 27:42.350 --> 27:46.870 the the actually ve chief a defense of the is really defense 27:46.870 --> 27:49.950 forces Benny dancing is right for every are probably the me has 27:49.950 --> 27:53.110 closest friends in the room in the international world sell either 27:53.110 --> 27:53.460 way I. 27:54.060 --> 27:57.230 I gotta you know now that you have to that question a um um um 27:57.230 --> 28:00.800 and I'm a a a battered the sharp with my answer and or over it 28:00.800 --> 28:02.290 back in the and the time out chair. 28:03.030 --> 28:08.370 Um. I actually do say that israel one-two straw-mary likes to 28:08.370 --> 28:12.910 lend that I'm a collateral damage in suing casualties. Are fact 28:13.290 --> 28:17.720 about three months ago. We shanty we asked me if we could shandy 28:17.830 --> 28:19.210 good lessons learned team. 28:19.940 --> 28:21.880 We do better in anybody. I think is learned. 28:22.710 --> 28:27.490 And we sent a team of a shape of senior a officers and I commission 28:27.490 --> 28:31.980 Arch over work with the idea to get the lessons from that that 28:31.980 --> 28:34.340 particular a operation in gosh. 28:34.870 --> 28:39.330 To include the measures they too are too the to prevent serving 28:39.330 --> 28:43.260 casualties and what they did with time. What the because Hamas 28:43.260 --> 28:47.800 had become very nearly as sought to rainy in the um society. 28:48.300 --> 28:51.860 And so you know that that that because of the idea of some significant 28:51.860 --> 28:54.640 challengers the day this which are very things to try to limit 28:54.640 --> 28:56.300 serving casualties to include. 28:56.900 --> 29:00.430 Calling out uh. You know making it known that they were going 29:00.430 --> 29:02.620 to destroy your particular structure. 29:03.300 --> 29:07.300 I'm even develops and some techniques to big call that roof nothing 29:07.400 --> 29:10.840 you know to have something knock on the roof they were displayed 29:10.890 --> 29:14.210 leaflets to war in the should oceans and population to move away 29:14.210 --> 29:18.700 from where there's tunnels but lock 'em end. This kind of conflict 29:18.850 --> 29:22.320 a room where you are held to a standard that your enemies not 29:22.320 --> 29:26.070 haltom you're going to be criticized for sitting casualties psychic 29:26.070 --> 29:27.620 of danny. We're sitting here right now. 29:28.140 --> 29:31.960 He would shady you we did everything we we could and now we've 29:31.960 --> 29:35.830 learned from that mission and we think there some other things 29:35.830 --> 29:38.740 were to do in the future and will do the The audience is not 29:38.740 --> 29:42.200 interested in and the creating surveying casualties their venture 29:42.200 --> 29:46.720 seven stopping the The uh the the shooting a rockets and mess 29:46.720 --> 29:49.940 on should uh out of your gotcha shrift and into richer. 29:50.460 --> 29:53.980 And the episode third itching incredibly difficult. And garment 29:53.980 --> 29:58.120 but I can say to with the confidence that I think that they're 29:58.120 --> 30:00.940 acting response that they acted response. What other I think 30:00.940 --> 30:02.450 human rights Russia's published a. 30:03.080 --> 30:05.880 A report that that that their worsening casualties in etched 30:05.880 --> 30:09.550 tragic um. But I think the idea of did with it quote. 30:11.450 --> 30:14.930 This gentleman the move on from there the star 's on my name 30:14.930 --> 30:18.420 is jim trap. I'm one of those media people I write a column for 30:18.420 --> 30:21.920 foreign policy dot com. But I'm also the host for carta di sussex 30:21.920 --> 30:24.850 never series. So I have that religion should but I did what I 30:24.850 --> 30:28.410 ask you about ices because I think I'm the suicide of this I 30:28.410 --> 30:31.820 think is bewildering for a lot of people of understanding administration strategy. 30:32.210 --> 30:35.430 So I do said there are forces on the rack sock which wanna take 30:35.430 --> 30:39.470 on ice spent in syria would training will will be training rebels 30:39.560 --> 30:42.700 whose goal was to overthrow the regime not to take Iodine six. 30:43.140 --> 30:46.750 So hallow everyday to point of saying the administration doesn't 30:46.750 --> 30:48.260 want to overthrow the regime to. 30:48.840 --> 30:51.430 Leakage looks like this theory of the case. How was it that that's 30:51.430 --> 30:54.740 gonna actually field forces on the ground the toll to like in 30:54.740 --> 30:56.260 a week to pushing back ices. 30:56.290 --> 31:00.590 Yeah. So I talk to the military strategy because there's a broader 31:00.680 --> 31:01.820 you know I'm. 31:02.480 --> 31:06.200 Another aspect of your question is what is our broader strategy 31:06.480 --> 31:09.750 diplomatically interim policy perspective about the a shutters 31:09.750 --> 31:10.610 in the right so. 31:11.540 --> 31:16.170 Militarily. Up I would describe were campaign against I saw was right. 31:16.170 --> 31:18.590 She was a use iraq first injunction. 31:19.110 --> 31:23.330 Because we have a credible partner. While simultaneously conducting 31:23.380 --> 31:28.620 a air strike which to just rot eyes. So inside of syria notably 31:28.650 --> 31:33.350 eastern shear. Where they tend to the um discernible from all 31:33.350 --> 31:36.330 the other perch a inside of syria. 31:37.060 --> 31:40.280 Any simultaneously seeking to build the pay. 31:40.930 --> 31:45.120 A a force of moderate opposition training and equipping of a 31:45.120 --> 31:49.460 moderate opposition that tried initially in militarily now could 31:49.460 --> 31:55.920 initially separate by moving a from what's called shall to north 31:55.920 --> 31:58.510 in the eastern part of syria could separate. 31:59.180 --> 32:03.160 This group called I soul and uh and isolate the to pocket show 32:03.160 --> 32:06.430 that one in iraq that were you when we're making progress should 32:06.430 --> 32:09.500 tension one and she area which were disrupting but we're not 32:09.500 --> 32:12.270 we don't have that the she neck condition and play she a that's 32:12.270 --> 32:15.380 a military to what is it that will lead to the dischi device 32:15.380 --> 32:18.520 on syria. That's some opposition that will confronted. 32:19.050 --> 32:20.250 And able buyers. 32:21.320 --> 32:25.560 I admit to you that that that that is a you rational and coherent 32:25.560 --> 32:30.490 strategy as it exists in eastern shearer it becomes far more 32:30.520 --> 32:34.280 complex when you go to northern sharia. They carry around a lot 32:34.280 --> 32:38.570 going eight when a that the border with turkey and that's because 32:38.600 --> 32:42.710 in those areas uh uh the forces tend to the inner mingle. 32:43.500 --> 32:48.240 And um we're actually in and than those of us that are trying 32:48.240 --> 32:53.550 to advise the president on a us government strategy national tertiary. 32:54.530 --> 32:57.440 You were central command notably european command because of 32:57.440 --> 33:03.160 the turkish and forums. I'm are trying to conceive of a a a of 33:03.160 --> 33:06.900 a uh then asked actor or branch of the strategy that will. 33:07.490 --> 33:11.460 A deal with northern syria book. I I haven't made my recommendation 33:11.460 --> 33:12.740 at certain question were. 33:14.160 --> 33:15.350 Next question still in. 33:17.660 --> 33:21.810 Uh. Sure why propose working can check airplanes. 33:23.680 --> 33:26.710 Away rather give them I can I actually Uganda making this up 33:26.750 --> 33:28.940 I actually think I like to meet you. 33:29.600 --> 33:32.630 Like the get out to the tree years ago when I was new to this. 33:33.230 --> 33:36.900 Edition on my ga the the she's just so painful because I was 33:36.900 --> 33:38.110 so nervous trying. 33:39.320 --> 33:44.090 Um. You growing to the job and mission grow into jenny relies 33:44.090 --> 33:48.120 said if we didn't have the media in this country. We wouldn't 33:48.330 --> 33:51.880 have any way to stay connected to the people. 33:52.630 --> 33:55.780 And if you didn't have the media you wouldn't have anybody in a. 33:56.410 --> 33:56.890 Kind of. 33:57.450 --> 34:00.970 Pressing you should be more clear about we're trying to cut the 34:00.970 --> 34:03.090 show I got a lot of time for the media. 34:04.430 --> 34:05.500 But for the for. Off. 34:13.400 --> 34:14.140 The that. 34:15.260 --> 34:16.430 Uh we were in. 34:16.960 --> 34:18.210 In the fall. 34:19.100 --> 34:22.820 The the we we use for she gets to the game say we're prepared 34:22.820 --> 34:25.400 to receive we would use force against them. I guess that would 34:25.400 --> 34:26.260 be your chop. 34:26.840 --> 34:31.750 Uh that the that soaking you'd just roughly outlined. How he'll 34:31.750 --> 34:36.420 uses force at the same time for that the stick with this for 34:36.490 --> 34:42.020 corvette and the I understand we're going to the name also sits 34:42.270 --> 34:46.600 only the United States and is real military force in the Persian golf. 34:47.450 --> 34:50.710 I guess we'll have to do with a long likely done most of the 34:50.710 --> 34:53.750 other a and died on works. 34:54.770 --> 34:58.990 It's a good it's a timely question actually because the the current 34:58.990 --> 35:01.770 negotiations the P five plus one negotiations. 35:02.300 --> 35:06.070 On Iranian nuclear capability are actually and their in their 35:06.070 --> 35:09.220 final stages and speech fire on the 20 fourth of of them. 35:09.860 --> 35:13.510 A or they could be extended edge posing again. That's the polish 35:13.510 --> 35:19.070 in diplomatic issued my job is to inject is to provide the military 35:19.070 --> 35:24.190 capability to encourage the diplomacy all um when you say how 35:24.190 --> 35:27.340 would we applied forge. If necessary. 35:27.910 --> 35:29.710 Ethically haven't the that's very good. 35:30.930 --> 35:36.110 Um. No it should look I mean what we got a B C without. 35:36.650 --> 35:40.510 You you known stringing him to question matters. We do have the capability. 35:41.090 --> 35:48.190 Um where we ash to use it to um to a dress they are a new nuclear capability. 35:49.280 --> 35:52.370 The challenge with that in the week when I say are well to a 35:52.370 --> 35:55.750 dress we would weekend to let you know that what really makes 35:55.750 --> 35:57.720 the nuclear capability of or a. 35:58.720 --> 36:05.980 I'm a date and issue is not centrifuge isn't a ballistic missiles. 36:05.980 --> 36:10.760 But brother they human capital that has the expertise tenor to regenerated. 36:10.760 --> 36:15.810 So you know as we look at using the military instrument if necessary 36:16.030 --> 36:17.030 a too. 36:17.610 --> 36:20.570 A dress the Iranian nuclear issue that would delay. 36:21.160 --> 36:25.150 It will not eliminated ultimately the Iranian uh. 36:25.770 --> 36:29.560 The Iranian and government that shelf would have to take a decision 36:29.560 --> 36:33.340 to move away from that aspiration entirely and that's why the diplomatic. 36:34.010 --> 36:36.160 Track is actually the right track. 36:36.840 --> 36:41.710 But if but if they refuse to take the opportunity to. 36:42.320 --> 36:45.310 Um that were that to pee five plus one are presenting to them 36:45.350 --> 36:48.150 and if asked we do have the capability to. 36:48.770 --> 36:53.690 Um to delay their nuclear enterprise by some number of years 36:53.690 --> 36:57.260 which I you know I'm usually the articulate here. 36:57.770 --> 37:02.380 Uh and and You know I really can't say much more than accepted assure. 37:02.380 --> 37:06.310 You we have the capability if we have two and a forest to when users. 37:07.020 --> 37:11.060 Um but iran would certainly in a beam MGM much. 37:11.620 --> 37:15.490 New much. Wiser course to for them to follow up to find a way 37:15.490 --> 37:16.950 to of an. 37:17.480 --> 37:19.870 Make this diplomatic track succession. 37:20.990 --> 37:21.340 That's right. 37:23.270 --> 37:30.090 Mm-hm. Acuity of ranvir. Thank you for your service an old. 37:30.790 --> 37:37.760 When I say Kobe S six challenges fate the face but the a us armed 37:37.760 --> 37:42.700 forces uh. I don't think to the people's subject to the command structure. 37:43.200 --> 37:44.880 I think of contractors. 37:45.600 --> 37:49.940 And I'm interested in march are policies um how it's changed 37:49.940 --> 37:51.310 and which are thoughts on where. 37:52.360 --> 37:55.760 Growth as a depression that first of all when you think about 37:55.760 --> 37:57.450 the armed forces the United States. 37:58.430 --> 38:01.820 We do tend to think kind of narrowly are not we've that. 38:02.470 --> 38:06.140 I think most americans think narrowly of the uniform known turret 38:06.140 --> 38:10.290 that there's there's enormous enterprise and department of defense civilians. 38:10.940 --> 38:15.630 Very um dedicated professionals that spend their entire life. 38:16.340 --> 38:19.550 A precious thing in the development of posture and then there's 38:19.550 --> 38:21.090 contractors in contractors. 38:21.870 --> 38:26.040 A had been a part of the armed forces um. 38:26.600 --> 38:30.310 Forever but most notably began to the I'm. 38:30.840 --> 38:33.660 Even more significant part of the forged after the gulf war. 38:34.740 --> 38:37.420 For cobblers is one is we realize there were just some things 38:37.420 --> 38:40.650 that are inherently military and that and that we should focus 38:40.650 --> 38:41.510 shark are. 38:42.260 --> 38:46.135 Are ensuring the fuel in a shows army is allowed to have 400 38:46.135 --> 38:48.600 90000 active component personnel. 38:49.730 --> 38:54.140 It's it's smarter to focus those for 90000 on things that are 38:54.140 --> 38:57.600 inherently military and into allow contractors. 38:58.220 --> 39:03.530 Two. So the damage and the dancer you know are largely a maiden 39:03.530 --> 39:07.280 in share largely logistics say can be very important and that 39:07.280 --> 39:10.400 communications and alike tirana action information technology 39:10.400 --> 39:13.390 and so forth. I think what you're really talking about is when 39:13.520 --> 39:17.440 you use them for security if I had a gas and your harking back 39:17.440 --> 39:20.870 to some of the problems rehab there with some organizations that 39:20.870 --> 39:26.350 will go unnamed who became almost paramilitary in nature in providing 39:26.350 --> 39:29.990 security show that show that we didn't have to do so. 39:30.590 --> 39:32.720 I think in that particular. 39:33.330 --> 39:38.180 The set missions set were functions security. I think probably 39:38.180 --> 39:41.170 there is a role for contractors. But I think it's probably we 39:41.170 --> 39:44.360 should the fine of more narrowly but for the rest of you know 39:44.360 --> 39:47.780 the contract is under that are driving traction turning branches 39:47.780 --> 39:50.600 and repairing satellite show um you know. 39:51.380 --> 39:55.480 Building ammunition and welding ships. I mean look rewrite. 39:55.480 --> 39:58.790 We actually couldn't there without um but in that particular 39:58.790 --> 40:03.940 function of security your question is not only. I'm appropriate 40:03.990 --> 40:06.980 but important the and we are pretty read gemini. 40:07.850 --> 40:11.730 In the exercise that that the broader which are percentage quick fall. 40:11.730 --> 40:14.060 The plaza to this touches. This question touches all. 40:14.600 --> 40:18.620 The composition of a fortune on one thing. Of course is we have 40:18.620 --> 40:22.920 a force includes contractors. But also includes an active force 40:23.000 --> 40:26.360 national guard force injures force civilians and all of. 40:27.020 --> 40:30.810 Um there's an awful lot of talk in their complex operations of 40:30.810 --> 40:35.050 involvement the were asked to 13 years that 1% of the population 40:35.050 --> 40:39.170 was in ball only 1% is involved news your that frequently. 40:39.800 --> 40:42.850 The she said about that mosaic which is really is the military 40:42.850 --> 40:45.900 force including all those components you were and I know you 40:45.900 --> 40:48.750 do frank about like you talk about of which are doing here today 40:49.150 --> 40:52.780 a worry about the laws of contact with the American people could 40:52.780 --> 40:56.410 be for the active force that he acted forced now becomes as professional 40:56.410 --> 40:59.510 organization that nobody knows anybody that that was that the 40:59.510 --> 41:00.830 goes often does things. 41:01.380 --> 41:04.120 And therefore we can separate which many people would argued. 41:04.630 --> 41:08.040 It is oppressors ineffable danger that they're certainly ed danger 41:08.040 --> 41:10.610 to democracy there are as we know. 41:12.380 --> 41:15.720 Yes I do think about that a lot staying connected to a murder 41:15.720 --> 41:18.140 and that you say one of the reasons. I'm here in new Yorkers 41:18.140 --> 41:22.450 to grow over here a over to the partition of an inch will. 41:22.970 --> 41:27.580 And um and that's part of the power of a pick really an effort 41:27.580 --> 41:28.280 to connect. 41:28.960 --> 41:31.940 Soldiers in this case should think they're mostly from Fort Hamilton 41:31.940 --> 41:34.800 but all all over the country were actually connecting over there's 41:34.880 --> 41:36.320 a veteran they'd period. 41:36.840 --> 41:41.270 We're working with the national basketball association. To um 41:41.300 --> 41:44.460 and courage service men women and these professional athletes 41:44.460 --> 41:46.670 to give it back to their community. 41:47.320 --> 41:50.980 And that's the important point here think is that. Well what 41:50.980 --> 41:54.260 happens in a nod to history data show over and I were having 41:54.260 --> 41:57.920 dinner in and you wish you know I'm talking about that these 41:57.920 --> 42:02.390 incredible athletes that basketball players tend to be held in 42:02.390 --> 42:05.280 hires dean than almost any other professional athletes. 42:05.840 --> 42:09.260 At least in certain tied the military are demographic is wildly 42:09.260 --> 42:10.920 enthusiastic about basketball. 42:11.650 --> 42:15.790 Now they are and so it be you know the big idea here was is their 42:15.790 --> 42:19.820 way to partner the best professional. 42:20.420 --> 42:23.960 Basketball athletes in the world with the best professional military 42:23.960 --> 42:24.560 in the world. 42:25.310 --> 42:29.590 Not so they can be self congratulatory a your great. So my thanks 42:29.590 --> 42:32.600 for your servers. No venture ears. You know they had and it. 42:33.150 --> 42:35.870 Let's so lets clap for you and have time of the best of what 42:35.870 --> 42:39.700 can the much of you flip the Coen and joel great but I'm not 42:39.810 --> 42:41.850 I'm not disparaging the mine from shit. 42:42.360 --> 42:44.100 But the big your idea here is that. 42:44.610 --> 42:49.650 These. These athletes to worse job gifted and so and have who 42:49.650 --> 42:52.880 have gotten so much in their lives from the market. 42:53.780 --> 42:58.000 And our let's call them athletes professional soldiers show jurors 42:58.000 --> 43:01.520 go will also have gotten an incredible amount of support from are. 43:02.180 --> 43:06.670 Combined to get back in so we're de Judy reminds us that when 43:06.670 --> 43:10.140 you sign up to be a to for this word called service. 43:10.910 --> 43:15.600 Actually means search it means to use or whether sermons soul 43:15.710 --> 43:20.160 your first instinct is to share not to try to get back that to 43:20.160 --> 43:23.530 try to get something so there's a sense of assert is here. 43:23.530 --> 43:27.760 There were trying to cause people to think about and um you know 43:27.760 --> 43:31.340 the two year point. I think I think america will appreciate that 43:31.680 --> 43:35.500 in the current climate. You know where where does it sometimes 43:35.500 --> 43:38.990 it ratios knows all about what can I get from america. You know 43:38.990 --> 43:42.740 this is about work and we get back and show we're excited about further. 43:43.310 --> 43:46.180 That's what the courts are my name is mike lines on with CBS 43:46.180 --> 43:49.510 news says well I'm also a a lifelong student of chrome a columnist 43:49.510 --> 43:52.570 for the has a better commander combat amid the denied buddy. 43:52.570 --> 43:55.080 Great Jarvis. They also of that and to Wall Street across the 43:55.080 --> 43:58.360 behind a microphone saw the gonna try to make a move on you barely 43:58.360 --> 44:00.680 have there's a but secure you gotta go where the issue. 44:01.400 --> 44:05.250 As the right I still have that says he's not Montana and so on. 44:05.790 --> 44:08.960 What eaten before about the mad about so I wanna ask you about 44:08.960 --> 44:12.760 the man's many people I think that would be to use the than the 44:12.790 --> 44:15.800 army the to go my army is picked up this non-standard mission again. 44:15.800 --> 44:19.030 It seems to it get everything that nobody else wants to do and 44:19.030 --> 44:22.170 some of all but two with picked up this mission there was what 44:22.170 --> 44:25.270 prospects are forced coins ofcom commanders will so American 44:25.480 --> 44:30.140 and um but a way so a guy you perceive that this to be you know 44:30.310 --> 44:33.480 the mission the army's gonna happen next for five years and has 44:33.480 --> 44:37.380 of projects besides power throughout the world and will be funded 44:37.380 --> 44:40.540 for it as it tries to really reinvent itself is it's come back 44:40.540 --> 44:43.270 from two wars in iraq and Afghanistan to try to reach such as 44:43.270 --> 44:46.140 a lot of things going on armor announcer and I just the the one 44:46.170 --> 44:50.250 get there. There are a and chicken or talk about a lot of there 44:50.250 --> 44:52.450 are a lot of things going on but it's actually Street shedding 44:52.450 --> 44:56.120 time to be the Cheese death the army are the german drench ancient 44:56.150 --> 44:59.040 in regard of the land forces in a cruisers this notion. 44:59.820 --> 45:02.350 Out there that you know we're never gonna fight a protracted 45:02.350 --> 45:05.240 lamb or in whenever induced ago. They operations and we're never 45:05.240 --> 45:08.210 gonna do this and that and that by the way that the the fight 45:08.210 --> 45:11.160 against a ball it is a stability operation. You know you can 45:11.190 --> 45:15.440 call it to one or china bring stability to a region west African 45:15.440 --> 45:20.170 is inherently unstable and to contain that disease there and 45:20.170 --> 45:24.060 help helping not we're not been eradicated. We're gonna jenna's 45:24.060 --> 45:27.460 stabilize at organize it and then non governmental organizations 45:27.460 --> 45:28.950 whether it's on the show for others. 45:29.480 --> 45:32.560 Can eradicated but it's just about a operation that you know 45:32.560 --> 45:33.450 one thing we showed. 45:34.070 --> 45:36.100 That when I can additionally operations. 45:36.770 --> 45:39.690 Well I would say uh in on terms of the and the U.S. 45:39.690 --> 45:44.170 military and it pal activated should there's 10 you know there's 45:44.170 --> 45:47.840 there's 10 us army divisions in the active component. 45:48.350 --> 45:52.690 Issue that has about 16 to 20000 soldiers the headquarters in 45:52.690 --> 45:56.160 shelter about seven or 50 in as we should here today eight out 45:56.160 --> 45:56.850 of ten. 45:57.400 --> 45:59.580 Divisions in the United States army or deplore. 46:00.230 --> 46:04.840 Don't something whether it's in europe to reassure allies iraq. 46:04.980 --> 46:07.050 And Afghanistan west africa. 46:07.800 --> 46:11.840 The korea and you know film the live action show. I'm the idea 46:11.840 --> 46:16.280 of the down the tempo's gonna dramatically changes just that 46:16.320 --> 46:19.550 is not feasible for as I look at the world around us which is 46:19.550 --> 46:23.000 weathers thing quote seek restoration in show farming for. 46:23.740 --> 46:26.060 It to your what about whether we'll get it funded that we have 46:26.060 --> 46:29.010 to get funding. That fact I think the misha ration inch prepared 46:29.010 --> 46:33.790 to go to converse this week a and I'm most that money will actually 46:34.040 --> 46:38.550 of be funded for us said the United States agency for international development. 46:38.920 --> 46:40.780 But then as we are in support of them. 46:41.410 --> 46:44.550 Uh we did we'd essentially build them for the expenses that were 46:44.580 --> 46:49.600 and what I say about low about why is this a bowler issue important. 46:50.150 --> 46:53.380 Um I actually be dash setting it. I'm not making this up fight 46:53.380 --> 46:55.340 against setting of all about a year ago. 46:56.020 --> 46:58.740 Maybe a little less than that I and I invited in a. 46:59.330 --> 47:02.690 A woman in laurie garrett who wrote a great book about infectious 47:02.690 --> 47:07.280 disease called the common play as that for a nice and Denies 47:07.280 --> 47:10.300 nightmare in your life becoming played not just about a bowl 47:10.300 --> 47:14.670 of that about about the effect of globalization an infectious disease. 47:15.420 --> 47:19.210 And um it really got my attention show and butter term we talked 47:19.210 --> 47:21.490 about it. I had the standoff began to. 47:22.040 --> 47:24.940 You know to think about um what would happen in the United States. 47:24.970 --> 47:28.340 So we began does it would with your eye we began to develop contingency 47:28.340 --> 47:30.380 planning for how the military could support. 47:31.070 --> 47:34.060 Other agencies and government and international organizations 47:34.450 --> 47:38.980 we asked africa um as the a both things started to a a as restarted 47:38.980 --> 47:42.130 to watch the rated infection and crazed other this one is different 47:42.490 --> 47:46.840 there was an infection in 76 one 95 and now this one obviously 47:46.840 --> 47:52.070 the disease mutates um and obviously as well uh not master of 47:52.070 --> 47:55.560 missionary this one is the first one that has had an urban. 47:56.130 --> 47:59.860 Aspect to it so in prior time. She now you'd have in a bowl outbreak 47:59.860 --> 48:03.480 and you know loeffler county liberia and everybody share. 48:03.480 --> 48:05.570 Oh my god. That's awful. But it'll burn itself out. 48:06.210 --> 48:09.020 Uh and a day and age and really did this one is different you 48:09.020 --> 48:11.980 know this one has migrated its way into the urban setting. 48:11.980 --> 48:13.290 It's you know we got. 48:13.850 --> 48:16.840 Airline flights and things that are you connecting people. 48:17.460 --> 48:21.890 So we felt like we can contribute a um to organize the effort 48:21.970 --> 48:24.950 we got it kinetic and show headquarters and logistics hub where 48:25.030 --> 48:26.180 we delta boot camp. 48:26.810 --> 48:29.890 To tray in international health care workers have to protect 48:29.890 --> 48:32.320 themselves and that we're not doing the care or shell. 48:32.840 --> 48:36.360 But were stabilizing the environment and giving confidence to 48:36.360 --> 48:37.330 the health care workers. 48:37.880 --> 48:41.290 That to them if they do a come down with the this used to be 48:41.290 --> 48:44.480 cared for and the way we think we're we're making ship regression 48:44.480 --> 48:48.950 liberia Sierra. Leone is not trending favorably in nor is getting. 48:49.570 --> 48:52.960 And um was see what happens with that you are set is it a four 48:52.960 --> 48:56.720 year mission probably not but I bet it's every bit 18 months 48:56.880 --> 48:59.840 which of the three rotations of six month decline. 49:01.100 --> 49:04.520 Let's questions for the thank you very much general dempsey good action. 49:04.520 --> 49:07.920 Ski canadian of bastard un teenagers cirques. 49:08.560 --> 49:12.030 General you you mentioned eight of 10 divisions of deployed your 49:12.030 --> 49:16.480 deploying a Italians to fight a bowl. I'm liberia the magistrates 49:16.480 --> 49:19.780 our forces being asked to do an awful lot in the war and the 49:19.780 --> 49:23.860 issue of Burton sharing inevitably comes up in discussions with 49:23.860 --> 49:27.310 foreign governments the perennial debate that NATO is the percentage 49:27.310 --> 49:30.450 of GT peak. Right countries are putting in the defense we haven't 49:30.450 --> 49:33.820 talked about asian tall of this of this morning but clearly what 49:33.820 --> 49:37.430 the pivot to asia which a year ago was toppled minded about sort 49:37.430 --> 49:40.470 of off the side given the macaleese we're in a different kind 49:40.470 --> 49:42.370 of reality in your judgment. 49:42.910 --> 49:47.480 Do you think that the rest of the world understands the gravity 49:47.480 --> 49:51.700 of the threats that currently exist and are making the appropriate 49:51.700 --> 49:55.600 kind of investments in orientation to deal with them to be able 49:55.600 --> 49:59.240 to act as collaborators with the United States our forces or 49:59.270 --> 50:02.920 is the kind of attitude that we seen pervasive over. The course 50:02.920 --> 50:06.450 of the last decade that if there's a problem get the us to take 50:06.450 --> 50:09.780 care of it and the problem will go away and I think that's a 50:09.780 --> 50:13.990 very dangerous kind of mindset for your cells to be um but I 50:13.990 --> 50:17.420 would suggest even more dangerous for the rest of the world the 50:17.420 --> 50:21.470 nature of produce eat the allies and the willingness of allies 50:21.470 --> 50:24.680 to step about is this something that you are investing a great 50:24.680 --> 50:27.890 deal of time with your senior commanders and how do you assess 50:27.890 --> 50:30.890 the capability and a willingness of the rest of the world to 50:30.890 --> 50:33.170 be there shoulder to shoulder with the United States. 50:33.750 --> 50:36.980 Percussion but I I in like ching that popping dish plate on your 50:36.980 --> 50:40.470 look felt this time of year. We know we all know if that means um. 50:41.570 --> 50:45.400 So I can only speak about the that collaboration that when we 50:45.400 --> 50:50.350 do among military leaders a recognizing as I say this that the 50:50.380 --> 50:52.350 military advice to arm. 50:53.180 --> 50:56.860 You know tom lawson's advice to your prime minister or neck pot 50:56.860 --> 50:59.750 was advised to premonition cameron or whoever happens debate. 51:00.300 --> 51:04.910 Um you know she does not always treaty with the same sense of 51:04.910 --> 51:08.450 urgency that that that maybe the military leaders with like in 51:08.450 --> 51:11.320 an about and not to thomas never said that to me that I'm Jewish 51:11.810 --> 51:15.610 suggesting to that to them at the military. Well we actually 51:15.720 --> 51:18.320 have those kind of conversations frequently. 51:19.410 --> 51:23.660 I'm gonna say this about whether the world is alert to which 51:23.660 --> 51:26.950 challenges show the world is facing um. 51:27.710 --> 51:31.580 Two kinds of a decision grossly simplistic Peru. It it'll work 51:31.580 --> 51:33.170 for the for this moment time. 51:33.820 --> 51:36.450 What I like it to security issues facing the globe you've got 51:36.450 --> 51:39.380 some that are related to stage actors. Sure you got. 51:39.930 --> 51:42.790 You know are rising china and and about why I'm not I'm not one 51:42.790 --> 51:46.520 that things to I'm a confrontation where china is inevitable 51:46.520 --> 51:49.980 actually think the opposite but anyway you've got a rising china 51:50.010 --> 51:54.510 and that's state actor is creating dishes comfort. 51:55.090 --> 51:59.360 In its territorial dispute shannon its competition for what. 51:59.930 --> 52:03.990 I'm within the the asia-pacific sphere. Okay then your data and 52:03.990 --> 52:04.960 insert a russia. 52:05.560 --> 52:09.200 And I think that actually surprised your friend and I think you're 52:09.200 --> 52:11.030 accused kind of old weekend. 52:11.810 --> 52:16.260 Slowly but is a weight gaining may be present partnership awakening. 52:16.780 --> 52:21.060 To verdant wet russia couldn't really mean and it may not be 52:21.090 --> 52:23.990 a direct confrontation with russia hopefully will will not mean 52:23.990 --> 52:26.550 that but it could mean that this kind of. 52:27.070 --> 52:31.040 Claim of national was and that is been let at an ethnicity could 52:31.040 --> 52:34.980 actually create the security situation that that would surprise 52:34.980 --> 52:36.110 all emotion europe. 52:37.100 --> 52:41.960 So to the extent that that that our military is our military 52:41.960 --> 52:47.470 leaders are um alert to state on state issues. I'd say with a 52:47.470 --> 52:50.590 pretty high degree of confidence that we get it we understand. 52:51.140 --> 52:54.470 Their capabilities our capabilities where there are gaps where 52:54.470 --> 52:59.520 we can complement each other I have a um I picked out five allies 52:59.520 --> 53:02.430 with from I have a a of special kind of. 53:02.940 --> 53:04.880 Relationship in terms of our. 53:05.390 --> 53:09.200 I'm not only interoperability did some level inter dependence 53:09.230 --> 53:09.920 and that would be. 53:10.460 --> 53:13.360 An canada and mexico because those are are near-neighbours. 53:13.950 --> 53:19.730 And the United kingdom a israel uh usher Elliott and japan. 53:19.730 --> 53:22.370 I was a five or section for yet. But I whatever the number is 53:22.370 --> 53:22.910 the cinema. 53:24.030 --> 53:28.620 And those of an incredible sessions actually to kind of a share 53:28.620 --> 53:32.390 a common strategic vision and and can help china help figure 53:32.390 --> 53:33.360 out what it take to achieve. 53:33.970 --> 53:39.020 Where we can and in all of us kind of um. I'm staggering that 53:39.050 --> 53:40.590 is in trying to understand. 53:41.680 --> 53:45.460 Um the inherit instability and we can show the middle age. 53:46.270 --> 53:50.450 Because the military instrument is it makes sense when you talk 53:50.450 --> 53:53.440 about it in terms of state non-state actors. Right. You know 53:53.440 --> 53:57.770 we have up with a long body of knowledge that says if I do this 53:57.770 --> 54:01.150 the adversaries likely to be that and if they do this I'd I can 54:01.150 --> 54:01.890 do that shunned. 54:02.450 --> 54:05.900 And show you got um you know we have a common frame of reference 54:05.900 --> 54:09.350 in dealing with stadium stated. We know what tea turns means 54:09.730 --> 54:12.140 when we know we know what assurance means. 54:12.830 --> 54:15.660 The and we know we're prepared is manger me know what you know 54:15.660 --> 54:19.860 contingency planning names in phases of operations setting theatres. 54:20.570 --> 54:25.800 You know when you're talking about the that the abject fragility 54:25.930 --> 54:27.080 of the middle aged. 54:27.690 --> 54:32.310 Application of the military insurer tower becomes far more complex. 54:32.730 --> 54:35.670 It's as I describe it in other settings uh maybe inner or use 54:35.670 --> 54:39.100 their over here. It's it's it's show up it's the difference between 54:39.100 --> 54:42.630 complicated and complex if something's complicated you can and 54:42.630 --> 54:46.160 packet take the pieces fix the pieces put it back together and 54:46.160 --> 54:46.730 it's better. 54:47.540 --> 54:51.500 If something's complex anyone package Tunisia touchingly change it. 54:52.140 --> 54:54.510 And issue vision changes. You gotta go back and try to figure 54:54.510 --> 54:55.590 it out again and that's what them. 55:03.710 --> 55:07.650 So. So that strong to something that I wake. 55:08.400 --> 55:12.910 And not changing ways. It would that would be um counter to the 55:12.910 --> 55:16.260 outcome are trying to produced sell on that issue. You know the 55:16.260 --> 55:18.960 middle east and these groups which stretch from you know the 55:18.960 --> 55:20.770 five to all where where nigeria. 55:21.330 --> 55:25.300 Um you know it. Well actually all struggling to determine what 55:25.300 --> 55:29.310 our role should be and how we enable regional actors with the 55:29.310 --> 55:30.150 capability three. 55:31.020 --> 55:33.820 Yeah that every close collaboration that if you're asking what 55:33.820 --> 55:37.700 I like um our most cable partners to spend a few more just dollars 55:37.700 --> 55:39.990 on defense. Yes had to. 55:40.550 --> 55:40.950 With it. 55:41.630 --> 55:46.400 This or a thank-you get them in a mundane does nicolas or you 55:46.400 --> 55:47.480 know I'm a lawyer. 55:48.060 --> 55:51.790 Made my we've been trying murder cases and speaking of russia. 55:51.790 --> 55:55.670 I spent the you're teaching there was what was and kazakhstan. 55:56.710 --> 56:03.670 Uh. I'm the of false and thinking about you many years ago when. 56:04.400 --> 56:06.800 I went into a the philippine jungle. 56:07.430 --> 56:09.710 On a The troll. 56:10.440 --> 56:14.060 And the sound all of the sucking that one of my E. 56:14.760 --> 56:17.100 Park ms so to the right of me. 56:17.730 --> 56:18.610 My right spying. 56:19.420 --> 56:20.690 Of was a general. 56:21.540 --> 56:25.670 Cool was surprisingly joined boasts his main was joseph still 56:25.670 --> 56:30.210 will star often the owners very there are still low. 56:30.920 --> 56:35.630 A general to date as sometimes we have the impression that. 56:36.140 --> 56:39.000 The gender roles and not with their troops. 56:39.620 --> 56:42.040 There in the far away place sometimes. 56:42.550 --> 56:45.800 On a different continents hunched over computer. 56:46.730 --> 56:47.900 Can you tell us so. 56:48.660 --> 56:52.180 What the generals of doing as far as being close of the soldiers 56:52.180 --> 56:56.290 today and That's it the bigger question. So we're gonna go back 56:56.290 --> 57:00.730 to were were one more or one um that was the case clear of the 57:00.730 --> 57:04.080 tend to my gender talk is written about me. You know my battlefield 57:04.080 --> 57:05.900 actually is washington to use it right. 57:07.640 --> 57:11.240 You really a who I shouted for for the walking point in this 57:11.240 --> 57:16.740 rugged any safer it to the but we're on were were that the onion 57:16.740 --> 57:19.330 for german needs. Maybe is not next to him. 57:19.860 --> 57:22.740 A wherever we show a number of rather back in washington making 57:22.740 --> 57:25.800 sure we got the right policy for great guidance there and the 57:25.800 --> 57:26.840 georgians you know. 57:27.350 --> 57:30.020 And so for the and when you get to a certain level years possibilities 57:30.020 --> 57:31.790 less about down and more about up. 57:32.630 --> 57:36.730 But that said money issue argue that the those general much that 57:36.730 --> 57:41.390 we so like to be in the come in the tactical commands division commanders. 57:41.930 --> 57:45.770 They're out there constantly mention gary of alaska gary Gillespie 57:45.770 --> 57:47.270 the can enter the under first. 57:47.870 --> 57:51.730 There's all to vision out of order a camel Kentucky has his division 57:51.760 --> 57:55.990 inside of monrovia liberia and that's were. Yeah he's not hunched 57:55.990 --> 58:00.600 over a laptop sitting back in cordial to initiate he's in monrovia 58:00.600 --> 58:04.510 liberia as is paul funk the commander the first of division and 58:04.510 --> 58:07.790 back that and when I can ended the third the of first armored 58:07.790 --> 58:11.080 division in Baghdad in peterloo was there. I'm really already 58:11.080 --> 58:15.450 are known date situation and the Several others john to teach 58:15.580 --> 58:19.220 you know we're we did every day we did a thing called battlefields circulation. 58:19.860 --> 58:23.260 The truth post up those young captains don't actually like to 58:23.260 --> 58:25.040 see a a sheila frankly. 58:25.700 --> 58:28.140 And they don't like to see a show up because you know they gotta 58:28.140 --> 58:31.660 worry about enough. I show up on the battlefield in back that 58:31.690 --> 58:33.710 you're in a neighborhood in Baghdad which I did. 58:34.310 --> 58:37.610 In out frankly the captain shows all delay isn't this a rare 58:37.610 --> 58:38.490 opportunity to. 58:39.170 --> 58:43.220 Ah to show the all man. What I got an in that frankly we you 58:43.220 --> 58:47.190 know we work through all uh. But we did battlefield circulation constantly. 58:48.180 --> 58:51.630 This kind of conflict the kind that edges describe to the canadian 58:51.630 --> 58:55.970 ambassador where you've got um and you know in a and and you 58:55.970 --> 58:58.920 know kind of a shadowy enemy living among the population using 58:58.920 --> 58:59.920 terror the tactic. 59:01.040 --> 59:04.430 The guy is that actually and gallows that actually get that test 59:04.430 --> 59:10.250 accomplished more captains and a master surgeons and their church 59:10.280 --> 59:13.650 me no end. So one of the things we learned over. The course of 59:13.650 --> 59:16.010 time is to the central Adams. 59:16.600 --> 59:17.350 Authority. And 59:21.540 --> 59:22.280 Pro irish. 59:23.200 --> 59:26.500 Work generation should auto show. I would suggest to that of 59:26.500 --> 59:29.270 the to an all five lieutenant Colonel the tank commander today 59:29.270 --> 59:33.930 probably has more capability more responsibility and more of 59:33.930 --> 59:37.410 started than I did when I was a two star general 10 years ago. 59:38.500 --> 59:43.160 So that aspect of leadership you described is absolutely alive 59:43.160 --> 59:45.960 and well we know that we gotta be out there to be scenes. 59:45.960 --> 59:48.320 So that we gain the trust abortion were nuts. 59:48.950 --> 59:52.270 Um but for those support. It's are incredible what Ashi worry 59:52.270 --> 59:54.450 about is when you take the matter that environment bring him 59:54.450 --> 59:58.030 back to a unit ignited States and then you do have the general 59:58.060 --> 01:00:00.460 kinda hovering over top of them. 01:00:01.060 --> 01:00:04.690 After they haven't had that kind of oversight for some time. 01:00:04.720 --> 01:00:07.780 It's sometimes can be frustrating for him. But we're don't find 01:00:07.780 --> 01:00:08.700 answers a leadership. 01:00:09.920 --> 01:00:13.260 There's a below last question for rapid surge happen. Shah marvin. 01:00:13.260 --> 01:00:14.140 So actually calories. 01:00:14.890 --> 01:00:19.290 As a pretty good except. I'm current instruction to part of social sciences. 01:00:19.330 --> 01:00:23.970 What's been one of the things secret is that the Same same going to. 01:00:24.470 --> 01:00:27.100 You can get into the use of a guy you know i've to know that 01:00:27.100 --> 01:00:28.860 I is that you made created by. 01:00:29.380 --> 01:00:32.830 The surfaces are one of the things that were surrogacy the academy's 01:00:32.920 --> 01:00:35.700 five discussion about on the side or or actually just buried 01:00:35.700 --> 01:00:38.800 when a couple months ago on every for the last five years the 01:00:38.800 --> 01:00:42.310 military spell of when developing is to the gods are pitchers 01:00:42.310 --> 01:00:46.230 what's next to make sure are you nominees capabilities to secure 01:00:46.230 --> 01:00:47.190 interesting is from a. 01:00:48.300 --> 01:00:51.950 Right first there was ratified our way through the the the a 01:00:51.950 --> 01:00:55.170 debate about whether it was a domain right and our weather was 01:00:55.170 --> 01:00:58.220 in environments or whether it was something austell we we finally 01:00:58.220 --> 01:01:01.390 got through that we're we acknowledge that it is a domain and 01:01:01.390 --> 01:01:05.210 by were that the importance of that saying that the the maritime 01:01:05.210 --> 01:01:09.130 domain you get the land almond air domains aged um and um and 01:01:09.130 --> 01:01:13.120 now we've got a shy rhythm imports to that is that until we fought 01:01:13.120 --> 01:01:15.990 our way through whether it was unique we were just trying to 01:01:15.990 --> 01:01:17.370 do it kind of ad hoc. 01:01:18.140 --> 01:01:21.620 I'm through other shows to now that it's a domain we're building 01:01:21.650 --> 01:01:26.140 toward a strike we've got the uh cyber cow which is dual with 01:01:26.140 --> 01:01:29.420 the national security aide shireen got and certainly the thing 01:01:29.420 --> 01:01:33.130 we call the national mission force that I'm that provides kind 01:01:33.130 --> 01:01:37.050 of the national level of the fans if asked for by the way this 01:01:37.050 --> 01:01:39.980 is not something we do and a daily basis. It's a capability we 01:01:39.980 --> 01:01:41.730 haven't cases ask for. 01:01:42.360 --> 01:01:46.350 Um we got dish at the combatant commands the regional commander 01:01:46.350 --> 01:01:50.350 central command in in the middle east and european command in 01:01:50.380 --> 01:01:53.820 africa command push-up command or building um. 01:01:54.560 --> 01:01:57.960 Capabilities they are so that the the combatant commander. 01:01:57.960 --> 01:02:01.280 We'll have the ability to protect their own network as well as 01:02:01.310 --> 01:02:05.360 if asked to have other capabilities. Well us about the next step. 01:02:05.420 --> 01:02:09.250 I think I'm the next step is actually an internal. 01:02:09.850 --> 01:02:12.040 Assessment of how to better protect. 01:02:12.630 --> 01:02:15.090 Our network show we gotta get to would join. 01:02:15.660 --> 01:02:19.580 Information enterprise but now we've got every service army navy 01:02:19.580 --> 01:02:23.910 air force rings coaster runs their own information technology 01:02:23.910 --> 01:02:27.930 on clay we'd like the army alone. We got 12 hundred are so different 01:02:27.960 --> 01:02:31.540 on clay is of information technology and what we gotta do is 01:02:31.540 --> 01:02:35.500 you gather. I'm convinced to serve machines can answer shelves 01:02:35.890 --> 01:02:39.380 that when you to go to something cloud-based thing client joint. 01:02:39.870 --> 01:02:43.830 So that were more of protective. So you can patch it and and 01:02:43.900 --> 01:02:47.570 protected better and show that I'm and about where the hell a 01:02:47.570 --> 01:02:50.590 lot more efficient and a time of rhythm research constraints. 01:02:51.460 --> 01:02:53.380 We have to do such internal. 01:02:53.900 --> 01:02:57.020 And I think reginette inching progress. I think by 27teen are 01:02:57.020 --> 01:03:02.880 show we will be we will be the leader in the country of a an. 01:03:03.770 --> 01:03:08.590 Coming to clad audacious thin client jarring to meaning common 01:03:08.660 --> 01:03:10.960 architecture's that are protected I believe. 01:03:11.850 --> 01:03:16.270 Um. And except is the hardest one and that is should a legislation. 01:03:17.090 --> 01:03:22.280 That um does too strange establishes some standard for. 01:03:22.940 --> 01:03:27.120 Cyber protection across the country because you know up on protecting 01:03:27.120 --> 01:03:29.680 the dot mill don't many that is my network. 01:03:30.570 --> 01:03:34.680 Um every other domain I and um and and depart roman security 01:03:34.680 --> 01:03:35.960 protection about go of. 01:03:36.710 --> 01:03:41.150 Um but when you like it got milled about combat ordered and whatever 01:03:41.150 --> 01:03:43.450 their Dutch are out there goes your all tried it. 01:03:44.070 --> 01:03:47.300 Meaning if your own a corporation years bunch of protecting your 01:03:47.300 --> 01:03:47.900 own network. 01:03:48.540 --> 01:03:51.570 I think it's just dinner which seemed the capability of private 01:03:51.570 --> 01:03:55.370 enterprise to protect and at work because of the of the of the 01:03:55.370 --> 01:03:58.740 advances that are being made by state and non state actors with 01:03:58.770 --> 01:04:02.420 malware and and dear distributed denial of service should to 01:04:02.900 --> 01:04:05.820 we gotta talk was some come standard is a heavy left for converse 01:04:05.820 --> 01:04:09.600 because they'll be it of the costs imposed right. So they set 01:04:09.600 --> 01:04:13.630 a standard and then you impose the standard and corker market 01:04:14.110 --> 01:04:17.940 that standard will cost money it'll it'll be hotly debated. 01:04:18.470 --> 01:04:21.410 The many ways around that but we gotta do something we can't 01:04:21.410 --> 01:04:25.480 just ignore second one is we've got a in san arise information share. 01:04:26.220 --> 01:04:29.730 Right now the their arbor all of the incentives are negative. 01:04:29.730 --> 01:04:32.500 There's this dish incentives for information. Check showed. 01:04:33.140 --> 01:04:37.500 That's the uh um. I can name a pair of the bank of a um you know 01:04:37.500 --> 01:04:40.790 Topeka there might be a bank of to had or that the bank of to 01:04:40.790 --> 01:04:42.560 peak is being attacked. 01:04:43.260 --> 01:04:46.490 It's actually there are dish incentives for that banged to report 01:04:46.490 --> 01:04:49.090 to the central government that their main to and you gotta we 01:04:49.090 --> 01:04:52.520 gotta find a way to we don't have to incentivize information 01:04:52.520 --> 01:04:55.220 sharing where we got him we gotta get past. The point where there's 01:04:55.220 --> 01:04:58.580 dish incentives why isn't port. Well because an attack on the 01:04:58.580 --> 01:05:01.300 United States is not gonna originate with an attack on me. 01:05:01.930 --> 01:05:05.160 Because I'm the one that's protected an attack and the United 01:05:05.160 --> 01:05:07.120 States is gonna come into the private sector. 01:05:07.730 --> 01:05:10.870 And and about it on the funny say this about cyber in general 01:05:10.870 --> 01:05:12.780 when when when we think about. 01:05:13.370 --> 01:05:15.290 The other domains space. 01:05:15.800 --> 01:05:21.450 Air she inland we dominate the IRS when we're not or not we don't 01:05:21.480 --> 01:05:25.330 there's no peer we don't have appear in the world. We dominate them. 01:05:25.520 --> 01:05:28.020 There's others that are scrambling to catch up and they are close 01:05:28.020 --> 01:05:31.160 in those gaps but we dominate and that's what you'd expect the 01:05:31.190 --> 01:05:33.750 American people for the investment than making a military want 01:05:33.750 --> 01:05:34.920 us to be dominant. We are. 01:05:35.720 --> 01:05:40.650 We're not necessarily dominic and cyber and show we got to come 01:05:40.650 --> 01:05:44.380 to grip should defector we have shown maybe even appear competitor 01:05:44.380 --> 01:05:48.710 or two and we certainly have several near peer competitors and 01:05:48.710 --> 01:05:52.330 if that's true then we gotta be alert for the kind of attack 01:05:52.330 --> 01:05:55.800 that can occur and in on the not on how much to you all mentioned 01:05:55.800 --> 01:05:59.440 thinking about things like this my particular nightmare scenarios 01:05:59.440 --> 01:06:04.150 that someone in places malware inside of our financial sector 01:06:04.450 --> 01:06:06.190 that attacks are critical infrastructure. 01:06:06.740 --> 01:06:09.970 Held do like to have that challenges of the present United States 01:06:09.970 --> 01:06:13.720 where the financial sector ours is attracting. You know through 01:06:13.720 --> 01:06:17.760 a remote bought net mal where stayed or non-state actors were 01:06:17.760 --> 01:06:21.110 probably wouldn't be I will tell attacking the critical infrastructure 01:06:21.440 --> 01:06:23.300 and then you know decision is which wonder why. 01:06:23.840 --> 01:06:26.600 Which one door drop the one that a draft law Street already what 01:06:26.600 --> 01:06:27.940 the to drop do power. 01:06:28.610 --> 01:06:29.950 Show. Tough. 01:06:38.120 --> 01:06:38.740 So for. 01:06:39.310 --> 01:06:42.300 Good for than that except is actually legislative. 01:06:43.470 --> 01:06:46.030 Liz joel break you all over the river. 01:06:52.250 --> 01:06:57.310 Mm-hm. In one and you'll know what we used to fall in Wall please 01:06:57.310 --> 01:06:58.040 a boy and then is. 01:06:58.670 --> 01:07:02.840 He's dead was very excited ask you to mine in a new cease militarily 01:07:02.840 --> 01:07:06.300 las 40 amounted that an upturn its program over george and that's 01:07:06.300 --> 01:07:10.480 or thank you once again for a one and your visit to the on there. The..