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obviously what the advent of technology

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troops here about the over there here ,

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about the divisions over the war going

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on here at home . How do you gauge the

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reaction to that ?

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Let me ask you a question first . You

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mean the reaction of my troopers ? Yeah ,

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I mean how did that go over over there

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when they hear about what over here ?

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Uh It runs the

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entire gambit of first .

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It runs , there's entire litany of

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issues associated with the Let me

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explain very very briefly . There are

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those who understand why we're here and

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they can't and because of the real life

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skills that they have , because the

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relatively young men and women , they

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do not understand what all the with all

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the emotional access that Isabel there

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are those that are over here who have

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lost or it's gonna be dear friends .

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Let's say this is beyond talking about

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this is personal . We need to be

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committed to this and everybody should

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be on board . Uh there are those that

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are over here that uh watch the

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political debate as it rages , that are

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very very disappointed . Uh because you

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would think that so long as we're going

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there is gonna be committed to this .

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We would be committed as a nation .

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There are those here that c . R

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continued political debate which is is

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gonna be which is a critical component

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of our freedom , but they see it

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working against us . Um I'm very very

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hard on the non commissioned officers

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officers of the core and I tell them

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you must dialogue with your soldiers ,

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sailors , airmen and marines every day .

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Um , we have got to make sure that we

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talk to our youngsters so that we can

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keep things in perspective just because

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this dialogue does exist and flamed in

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many , many respects for many good

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reasons . It does not mean that it

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should in any , in any way shape or

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form to track from what we've committed

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ourselves over here . I e we in the

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United States military , it's hard to

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measure um , I want to kind of continue

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on that team . This Shiite cleric al

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sattar came out just a day or so ago

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and suggested that , well America is

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the great enemy and he's encouraging

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police and militia men to join him in

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driving the americans out , I'm sure .

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Well , I wonder for those who

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understand why we're there . Um , how

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does that affect morale and their their

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willingness and ability to go out there

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and do what they need to do ? Well , uh ,

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I'll tell you sir , maybe this is gonna

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get me in trouble , but I'm gonna be

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honest with you . We know Mukata Al

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Sada is stupid and that's

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probably going to get me in trouble .

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But he's no more the diplomat , he

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diplomat , he's no more the great

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leader . He's no more of anything then

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I'll say Saddam Hussein was he's done

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more to disenfranchise . He's done more

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to go ahead and frustrate , I'm not

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talking about our our intentions over

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here what she has done everything he

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has in some respects , but uh , I don't

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see him doing anything to embrace the

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huddled masses of the Shia community

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and get them to speak with one voice ,

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get them to go ahead and turn the other

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cheek and so on . Um , but now that

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being said , you know , I mean ,

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there's a lot of us who wish that he

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didn't have a voice here . Please don't

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read into that . I'm just telling you

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what the consensus amongst the soldiers .

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But uh , you know what , it's most at

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the most junior levels . It's

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frustrating . It is frustrating . But

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those soldiers are contend with a

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reality that exists in the

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neighborhoods that they defend . They

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walk , they fight in every day and they

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know that , that somebody is always

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speaking out against before this , that ,

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and the other thing . So especially

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those troopers that have been here a

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second time or a third time , uh , they

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know rhetoric when they see it and they

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know what hasn't affected what doesn't

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and so on . And they have a better

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sense of the people in the dynamics

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that they're confronted with every day

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than uh , probably a lot of people back

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home would give them credit for . There

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are those who suggest that the media

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plays up all of the negative about the

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war and very little attention to the

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positive policy was about some of the

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good things that soldiers are doing

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over there . Well , so

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they good things , the numbers of

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schools , the number of schools that

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are open , there was gonna be that have

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opened the good things , the number of

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small business starts that have opened

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field . There are , there are Iraqis

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here that have always aspired to do

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something for themselves and the

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conditions have been set for them to go

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ahead and do that . Is that

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specifically the result or directly

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attributable to specifically just the

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americans or the coalition at large .

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Now this has been a team sport from the

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beginning , the Iraqis have had a

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capacity to go ahead and do these

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things and we're realizing the windfall

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associated with it . Um , again , the ,

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the medical capabilities or what we

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call midcaps going to neighborhoods

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where there has not been for many ,

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many years , any structure and health

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care and providing uh medical services

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to the indigenous populations that some

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of the outlying communities . And we're

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not just talking about american or it's

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gonna be coalition medical personnel

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were also talking about Iraqi doctors

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and nurses which are doing , it's gonna

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be , we're doing that as well . Uh ,

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we're talking about people where they

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are places where there's never been

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fresh water before And by initiating

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small contracts . There are , there are

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finally , there is finally freshwater

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in some communities that have never

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known it in the history of this region .

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Uh , waste management as a company is a ,

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a profound issue to say the least when

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it comes to mitigating likelihood of

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disease and so on , you see that going

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on . So I see roads being paved . I see

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overpasses being built . Um , we see

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there's gonna be some of the old state

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owned air is gonna be , uh , industry

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or factories being opened back up .

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There's gonna be or have having been

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opened back up and then leading

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throughout the remainder of this summer ,

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a significant percentage of the old

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Iraqi state run factors factories will

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finally be opened up again and tens of

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thousands , if not hundreds of

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thousands of Iraqis are going to be put

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back to work . People will go ahead and

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debate while we should have done this a

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long time ago . You know what's uh ,

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yes , no . Okay , roger got you . But

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at least it's finally going to happen

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or is going to happen or it's about

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time it happened , Whatever the case

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may be , but there is progress there

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where there were no streetlights before

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their street lights , where people

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where you didn't have neighborhoods on

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the Iraqi power grid , their power

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grids . So there's three times the

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automobiles in this country than in any

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other time . There's more , there's

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going to everyone in this country now

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can get news from the outside world ,

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Everyone in this country now . So it

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can form their own opinion based on

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their own wishes . Um , yep , there's a

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lot of sectarian violence , yep , there

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are evil people here , there are evil

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people that are attempting to sneak in .

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There are people to come in here just

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because they want to harm americans we

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can talk on and on about it , but I see

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progress every day . The problem is the

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youngsters that we have here , they

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don't see it on their front every day ,

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but it's almost like taking this large

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mass of humanity and putting it online .

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Well , even if everybody , everybody is

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not going to take a step every day , so

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you have , he'll take a step , she'll

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take a step and so on . But uh yeah ,

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it's the fact that things continue to

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improve institutionally is undeniable

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in this country . Let me take you past

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just the military outlook and perhaps

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an observation at the cultural thing

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that is going on . You have a good

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number of americans who share Western

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ideology if you will , or western

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things with folks here in the Middle

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East totally from a different culture .

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Do you see some benefits coming out of

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that for the long run ? Uh yes , sir ,

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because I think first and foremost

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that uh you know , we're breaking our

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presence here is dispelling a lot of

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misconceptions which are formed over

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the years . Um you think about it ,

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people said , well , you know , sort of

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major , we haven't done is going to be

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as it applies to perceptions Saddam

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Hussein , he went ahead and really did

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his arm here , we're having to fight

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what he sold these people a bill of

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goods on as it relates to Western

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culture and said , no , it's not that

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some people tell me well . So I made

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you know , it started back in 1921 when

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the british pulled out was the one said

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not , it's not that , that's how about

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you go back 1800 years to , you know ,

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the start , it was gonna be the

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beginning of Islam . Um , and the

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crusades 1st , 2nd 3rd , which everyone

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you want to look at , there's always

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been this us and them mentality . I

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think culturally what it's going to be ,

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we gain an appreciation for the true

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benefits are going to , uh , how open

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and how people oriented the Arabs

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are and they really , really are . I

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mean sir , they'll give you the shirt

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off their back . Uh , so culturally I

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just , I am many of us just to embrace

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these people . I think they will go

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intended , but because they're good . I

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think so . I think many of them do . I

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think that the only reason that they

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won't there , that we won't realize the

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tipping point as it relates to their

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perception of us is because those that

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would like to embrace us

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philosophically and culturally are

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fearful of doing that because

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they know sooner or later we will

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leave and they fear for their future .

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Uh , the way I look at the way many ,

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many soldiers , airmen sailors ,

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marines , our coalition partners look

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at it sir . You know , you can say what

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you want , but for the first time in

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about 3200 years were the only honest

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brokers that have ever come to this

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part of the world and all we want to do

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is offer them some modicum of what we

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revel in every day . The individual

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liberties that each one of our

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country's offers us offers us . And

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again , sir , we're a product of that

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and that's why there are many people

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who do not hesitate to come up to us .

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We was gonna were quick to wear a smile .

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Um gosh , you know , just american

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soldiers from your own soldiers ,

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sailors and airmen marine americans and

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our coalition according the same way .

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As soon as the kid comes out , smiles ,

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waves , your heart melts . And it

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doesn't matter of fact , kids on the

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street back home in the United States

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of America over here and you know , bag

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Baghdad Iraq Ramadi Fallujah . It

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doesn't matter where it is . Uh , I

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think I'm sorry . You speak of people

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walking up the soldiers . I wonder if

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there are some lessons perhaps learned

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from Vietnam when you have people

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walking up who were carrying bombs . Uh ,

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those things that you , you know , you

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want to reach out to folks and at the

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same time you say , well , I have to be

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careful . Oh sir , that goes through

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your mind all the time . Yeah .

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Uh , so it goes through your mind all

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the time . I had a young soldier the

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other day , I lost you a shot at the

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end . It's going to the back of the

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head . Uh , it goes through your mind

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all the time . I , you know , sir ,

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that Iraq and my information , this is

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Neil the soldier talking now is just a

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continuation of this huge human

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experiment . Uh ,

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and I don't , history will determine

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whether what we have done here was

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worth the sacrifice . I pray to God it

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is . But if we're not willing to take a

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chance on one another and yes ,

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sometimes it means that ultimately cost

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us our life . I don't know . I don't

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know that we'll ever will advance on

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any fronts or humanistic lee ,

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humanistic lee speaking tomorrow , I'll

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go back out on the streets and if the

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Good Lord sees fit to go ahead and says

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it's time and it's time . Uh , spoke

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earlier , you spoke earlier about

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potential uh huh As we move

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into an era with a different congress

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who has a different mindset . How does

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that weigh on you and the soldiers over

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there ? Do you get a sense that ? Well ,

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we won't get a chance to finish what we

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started or is that something that you

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look forward to that ? Okay , well , we

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came here to do something limited and

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we're getting out . How does that whole

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congressional thing weigh on you and

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the soldiers that are there ? Yeah . Uh ,

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I , I am the foreign policy instrument

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of the United States of America . I'll

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tell you just from my perspective ,

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it's frustrating for our youngsters uh

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in many , many respects , uh , we do

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what we're told . We go where we're

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told . In the end , we can't separate

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ourselves from that which defines us

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our individual liberties . Um , it does

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require we senior leaders to do a lot

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of talking with our young men and women .

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I think the general consensus is

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amongst many that this is gonna take a

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long time and we're gonna be here a

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long time if it's worth doing right . I

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think there are many young men and

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women that walk the streets of Baghdad

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Fallujah Ramadi everywhere . Um , that

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uh , they they're looking forward to

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the day they can finish their year .

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There are six months for it doesn't

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matter how many and they want to get

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the heck out because as those who

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fought the first battle of Bull run ,

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realized , sir , there's nothing

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glamorous about what we do . It might

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lead to bigger and better things . But

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really in the end , there's nothing

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glamorous about

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what we do because it frustrates us

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what we listen to back home . Sure does .

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Sure . It does . Because you made a

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very , very salient point . We started

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it . Uh let me ask you one other

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question before I let you go if you had

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something , the one thing that you

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wanted to sell the american people that

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perhaps they're not getting from the

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mainstream media , what would it be ?

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Uh , listen to your Children that are

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over here . Listen to the men and women ?

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Yeah . But what they tell you in the

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context , the average age of a young

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trooper on the streets here in this

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country or in Afghanistan and American

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is about 19 years old . The skill sets

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that they possess real world ,

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philosophically speaking , whatever .

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While profound , Far more so than many

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people give them credit for are still

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limited to an extent . But listen to

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the stories that they tell you because

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there will be stories of great men and

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women who will sacrifice , who look at

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what they do every day and they called

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a job . But me , the they are the

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personification of selflessness . And

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then ultimately , what I would tell you

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is that , uh , I guess it's a good

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thing . We don't kick our kids out of

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school before they're ready because if

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we adopted the same attitude back home

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about our youth that we are with this

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thing over here , we'll be kicking

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entirely too many kids on the street

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when they were 12 or 13 years old .

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Maybe emotionally . This thing is going

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to take time . You have to be patient

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with us and you have to believe in us .

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As far as the measure . Thank you much

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for I'm with New Jersey and the United

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States crowd . We appreciate what you

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do . And uh , well sir , God bless you

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all back home . Thank you