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So let me open it up for questions .

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Who's the first one ? Yeah , please .

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Are you a plant ? I don't mean that

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physically . I mean , no sir , you

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don't have much grass on your head . I

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know that yes sir . Texan sterling Mag

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B eight s with the cuts in defense and

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the supercommittee not meeting their

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objectives . And we're looking at that

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more cuts . How do we face these

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objectives with Afghanistan still going

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on with the threat of Syria Iran and

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the military cuts that we're looking at ?

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How do we meet those objectives ? Yeah ,

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well , congressman , I'll tell you No ,

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I mean that's that's my life now , by

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the way , I've been , I've been , I've

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set a world record for appearances

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before the Congress of the United

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States and my first six months As the

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chairman , that's true Stewart . The

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average has been about and by the way ,

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the chairman always changes on one

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October forever . It's by raw and

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you're either a chairman for two years

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or four , But we always change on one

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October and in my first six months I've

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been over there 10 times now , that's

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okay . Part of our responsibility is to

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articulate an answer and articulate

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what we're trying to do and get their

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feedback and guidance so that they can

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resource , you know , the force , but

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to your point about um , you asked

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about three questions , you just very

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cleverly blended them together into one .

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So I'll give you a short answers on all

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three secret operation sequestration is

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the law . We acknowledge that we have

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not done any work on trying to figure

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it out for two reasons , principally

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one is bandwidth . We just finally

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figured out a month ago , We finally

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figured out how to absorb the $487

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billion dollars cut . And we wanted to

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make sure we had a strategy that made

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sense given that reduction . So to turn

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around and do it immediately . It's

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just , it's unreasonable . Now at some

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point will be given guidance to work

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towards that and once we're given the

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guidance will , we'll begin to think

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about it . The second thing though is

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the way I would describe the potential

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impact . We're we will this first I say

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first that that's a mistake actually .

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This $487 billion cut we've

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been able to absorb it but and remain

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the same force . We are , we're not

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giving up any capabilities . Some ,

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some , some things are being stretched

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or contracted . Um , we lose capacity

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but not capability . So I'll use the

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army as an example about 11% fewer

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brigade combat teams , which means you

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can push and pull and push and place

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them 11% fewer places . That may not be

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the case of sequestration kicks and we

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may not be able to hold that . That we

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may not be able to hold on to every

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capability but we haven't done the

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analysis yet . But you can be sure that

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if we reach that point , we'll do it .

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Our , what we've said to Congress at

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this point is that in the interest of

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national security , they really ought

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to find some other way than

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sequestration to balance this budget

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and it can't all be balanced on our

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backs . Well , see , I don't know the

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second thing you had in there was . How

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does that , you know , isn't it

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somewhat ironic ? I'll use mine words

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that you're asking us to become smaller

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when the world actually appears to be

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too be more dangerous . I've actually

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said that I do think that the world

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is , it feels to me I've been in the

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service almost 38 years and it feels to

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me like it's more dangerous today than

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it's ever been . I've been challenged

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on that . Somebody said to me , well ,

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come on what about when you were hiding

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under your desk doing nuclear drills ,

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you know , waiting for the waiting for

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the soviet union to start lobbying

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nuclear weapons . That you okay , that

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might have been a little more dangerous ,

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I acknowledge . But the point

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that that is this kind of rational

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state on state , um , uh ,

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mechanism that had the effect of

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reducing the likelihood of that , the

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world we live in today is one where

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you've got not only state actors , but

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non state actors and because of the way

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technology has just proliferated ,

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you've got capabilities in those hands

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of those non state actors that are as

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good as the capabilities in the hands

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of state actor . And 10 years ago we

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wouldn't have had a conversation about

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cyber , but I'm personally extremely

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concerned about . So , yeah , it is a

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more dangerous world , I think , and we

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do have to figure out how to both do

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what's right for the country in terms

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of its economic well being , while not

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Forfeiting our responsibility to

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protect and defend the nation . Now ,

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just to give you a glimpse of some of

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the things we're looking at . If we if

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we have had a conversation about this

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10 years ago we wouldn't include in the

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conversation I S . R . Because that's a

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recent , I mean , the development was

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ongoing for a long time , but look what

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we've done with it . I mean , goodness

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gracious , special operating forces ,

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They've grown four times as big and

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they're still growing and they've grown ,

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I don't know , 10 times more capable .

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And we wouldn't have had a conversation

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about cyber . I mean , if somebody , if

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chairman would have stood before you 10

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years ago and talked about cyber , you

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have been , you wondered if he lost his

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mind ? You know , you'd say , what are

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you talking about cyber now ? I try say

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cyber . Everybody knows their head .

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Yeah , cyber . And how many of you got

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iphones or Androids right now , if I

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hadn't had that conversation 18 months

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ago , The answer , would there have

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been three or four that were out there

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tinkering with it . How many of you are

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gonna next week , we're going to stand

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in line and try to get the next

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generation ipad , go ahead admit it ,

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you're going to do it . I know you are

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and you know what that brings is an

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enormous , it's not only content but

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it's access . I mean , it's a , it's a

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different world in terms of technology

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and I think we're just scratching the

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surface so it's , and I'm not

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suggesting we're gonna trade manpower

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for technology . I mean , we always do

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that at some point , some to some

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degree , but there's a balance to be

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struck there and that's our challenge .

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Our challenge is to figure out that

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balance . What else ? Yeah ,

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Lieutenant , you're here from 56 1st

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prostate one . Just going off the cyber ,

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what you're mentioning with the budget

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cuts . How do you see that affecting uh ,

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basically our capability to respond to

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newer cyber threats ? Um , and

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basically to , to take care of the

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cyber mission ? Well , for one thing in

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the , in the budget submission that we

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just made , we not only protected

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the investment in cyber that we had

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intended , but when we went back and

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lifted our strategy , we actually

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realized we probably not probably , we

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needed to make a deeper investment into

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cyber . So there's a couple of things

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we're doing in cyber right now we're

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looking at are how do we come in and

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control it . You know right now , cyber

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com reports to um , stratcom and then

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as a , as you know , the national

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security agent agency and cyber calmer

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dual hatted , we're trying to figure

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out that makes sense . We're trying to

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and will likely make a take a decision

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to put a theater level P . Com eucom

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centcom , africom cyber headquarters at

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each of those combatant commands so

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that you've got kind of the cyber com

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with global responsibilities and then

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each combatant commander with the

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ability to manage cyber activities

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inside of his own battle space . And uh

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and we're also we're seeking to add I

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don't have the number of committed to

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memory but it's several 1000 spaces

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people into that line of work over the

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next five years . So we are investing

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in cyber , we are growing the size of

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the three things I mentioned , cyber

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eyes are special forces Now you might

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say , well you didn't renew the global

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block 30 and therefore you're not

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investing as you said you were and I'm

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sorry , but the fact is as the guys

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sitting here to my right , when we used

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to work together and centcom will tell

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you , you know , we were investing in

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the other variants of Global Hawk . The

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block 30 though was not so much better

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than the U . Two that it made sense to

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keep Investing in black 30 . I've been

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attacked on this already and we've been

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doing a little , you know say bring

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back and forth . But you know the if

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you think about the difference between

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you two and s are black 30 or global

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Hawk black 30 You might be buying 10%

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more capability at 40% greater cost .

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And back to my point we have to find

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ways to become more affordable . So if

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you look inside the budget , I think

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you'll see cyber is well cared for and

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I'm a huge champion . I went over to

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capitol Hill the day before yesterday

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for a tabletop exercise , top secret

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tabletop exercise where we show what

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could potentially happen to the

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critical infrastructure of the United

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States in a collaborative environment

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with the Senate . Uh , so that we can

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make sure we've got the right policies ,

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procedures and come in and and

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architecture is in place . But I'll

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tell you so as we sit here today though ,

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I'll tell you , I'm not comfortable

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where we are in cyber , but I can tell

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you were pushing up you guys are asking

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really uh , strategic level questions .

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You know , what about like who's going

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to win the national basket ? The

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Attorney Service Sergeant , He's

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7 47 common squadron . Um , what is the

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reality of our current 20 years

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military service retirement plan being

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reduced from 50% or maybe even going

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away . No . Well , I mean I never ,

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I've learned in my 38 years . I'm a

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very wise guy . So I never say

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never . But what I will tell you is

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that the commission on retirement that

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where'd you go , All right . The

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commission on retirement that , that we

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will stand up the going in assumption

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will be that anyone currently serving

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will have their retirement benefits ,

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grandfather . What , you know what that

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means . It means that any changes we

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make to retirement will be made , uh ,

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to the next generations who choose to

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join now and by the way , preserving

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the status quo , even for them is an

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option . Because what we , what we want

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to figure out is what will the effect

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be on , on , on recruiting and

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retention . And until somebody shows me

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kind of analytically , this is what we

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think will happen with recruiting .

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This is what we think will happen with

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retention . Then I'm not gonna sign up

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for it . You know , if the , but look ,

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if the bottom fell out of our economy

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and that's not likely by the way , it's

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maybe it's more likely overseas , but

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it's not likely for us . But if the

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bottom of the fell out , that's why I'd

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never say never to because at the

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bottom fell out , I think we have to go

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back to the drawing board and figure

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out how do we provide the defense of

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the nation at an affordable cost . But

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I can tell you that Secretary Panetta

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and I have been and by the way that not

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just us , even I've heard the most

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senior leaders of our nation's say we

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want you to look at retirement to see

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if we can make it more affordable , but

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we want to make sure that those

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currently serving will retain their

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benefits . So that's our position right

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now and I believe it will remain our

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position now , we are the truth and

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lending . We are looking at changes in

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pay , which they've been kind of modest

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and we're looking at changes in tricare

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for retirees and just so you know ,

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we're we're doing that because we have

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to our that Health care costs for our

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military in the last 10 years have gone

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from 19 billion a year to 48 billion .

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We just can't on that path on that

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trajectory we will eventually we'll put

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the volunteer force at risk . So we got

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to get after the costs but we're not

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we're not looking to do so with

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retirement yet . And if we do well , we

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have every intention of grandfather ,

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what else ? This side has been very

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quiet . How are you sir ? Have a

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question , did you want to ask me a

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question ? Can I say ? Hillary . All

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right , sir , that's good . Let's give

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him a round of applause World War it

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yeah .

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You know what , you know what's great

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about having you here is to remind us

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that every generation gets its chance

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to live up to its responsibility . Your

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generation did these kids are and our

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next generations will as well . And the

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other thing is we ought to be reminded

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that we've been through tough times

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before , back to your point about how

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can we possibly figure out how to

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become more affordable and still worry

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about the whole world . I don't know .

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But somehow americans figure it out ,

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don't they ? And what we will figure

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that out . And the other thing is that

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after every conflict there's always I

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mean it's a historical fact that the

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defense budget always goes like this .

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It goes out , it goes in , it goes

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that's like an accordion . And after

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World War Two it went down after the

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after Korea , down after the Vietnam

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war , down after desert storm down and

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after these two conflicts it's gonna go

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down now . You might say , oh yeah but

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that means you're stupid . You wouldn't

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say that to me personally , but you're

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thinking it aren't you ? Because every

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time we go down we got to go back up

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because we get the future wrong and we

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realize we don't have enough of

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something that's also true . But that's

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as I said , you can either fight

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history or you can try to adapt to it ,

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learn the lessons and get it less wrong .

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Yeah . Mhm . Um one

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McGuire from Pearl Harbor Naval

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Shipyard . Um My question I guess first

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off I'd like to say happy birthday for

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next week . What I tell you about

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technology . You googled that didn't .

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Yeah it is a Wikipedia . But

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yeah , I hope you didn't edit my

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biography . I didn't but kind

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of back to cyber war and access to

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information . I was wondering about

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accused wikileaks leaker Bradley

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manning and the treatment he's received

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the United nations seems to think that

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the treatment he's gotten constitutes

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torture . And uh , I was just wondering

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what you thought about that and whether

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he should be regarded as a political

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prisoner or a whistle blower or a

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traitor or what the deal is . And

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second question about Syria , I told

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you , remember I tell you that now .

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I'll give you a partial answer on now .

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I'll because I was the chief staff of

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the army when we , um , when we

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eventually incarcerated him out at Fort

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Leavenworth and I'll tell you about

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that . But what was the second , what

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triggers military option in Syria ? Is

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it getting a coalition or is it if the

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situation declines even worse or what ?

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Because it looks pretty bad to me ? I

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don't know . No , I'm telling you guys

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ask great questions and you're also

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reading the blogs , aren't you ?

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Because that just came out . I just had

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an answer one on a uh , national

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Journal blog site . Okay , so here's

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the answer on Bradley Manning for one

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thing . We're a nation of laws . He did

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violate the law and he will be whatever

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he eventually is accused of and

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tried for by a trial of his peers , it

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will be in the context of the law of

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the United States and I don't really

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have a ,

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you know , what , how about handed me a

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remote just as a backup ? Is it back on

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that . Um , so ,

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you know , I haven't thought much to be

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honest about what , how to label them ?

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You threw out a couple of terms . I

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think that probably you've read or

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heard about if

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I get that microphone and mhm .

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You know , if I were to contribute to

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that conversation now , it actually

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could affect the trial so that I try

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not to show the uh

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I'm in 6th , maybe I'm becoming carries

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is on six

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spamming me here . Okay , we're gonna

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check this .

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No

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testing , I'll try this . Okay .

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Um but as far as his treatment

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before we moved him out to remember , I

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was the Chief staff of the army for

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about 100 and 50 days and part of it

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was when this occurred before we moved

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him out to fort Leavenworth , which is

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where he remains . I actually went and

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I went out there personally because I

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knew this would come up . Somebody

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would say he's in a you know , we've

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got him in a context container and he's

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being fed stuff through a little slit

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in the door . Ain't the case . I know

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exactly where he is , what sell what

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his conditions are . Um He is

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constantly monitored , believe me . You

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know , the one thing we don't want to

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do is is make him a hero because of

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mistreatment and he is not being

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mistreated . I mean , I can assure you

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of that . Okay . Now to the other part

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of your question which is on what basis

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does the United States military apply

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force on behalf of the nation ? That's

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really what's your vast So There is

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always 100% of the time . Domestic law

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allows the president of the United

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States as the commander in chief allows

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him to use military force in defense of

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the nation period . We don't have to

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ask anybody . We don't have to if the

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president declares that the nation is

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threatened that , that the vital

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national interests of the nation are at

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risk . He can apply military force

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using domestic Domestic law period .

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Okay , now , my own personal belief ,

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after 38 years is we generally get the

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best outcome and the most enduring

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outcome . When we act as part of a

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coalition , it just gives it , it gives

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it a greater collective

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understanding and it usually not .

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Usually it always has a better outcome

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in order to do that . If you're going

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to have a coalition , generally the

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other nations that will join , you want

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some legal basis and that either comes

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through consent or it comes through a

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United Nations Security Council

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resolution . So this isn't as hard as

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it might . You know , the other day in

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a congressional hearing , we were

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accused of , you know , always feeling

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like we had to ask someone else's

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permission to use our military and

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defense of the nation . That's just

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that conversation just got off track .

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It's not the case . The president is

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the commander in chief can use force if

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he deems that the national interest ,

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the United States and and the

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protection United States are at risk

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when you try to form a coalition ,

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however , it gets more complicated

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because then they've got to find their

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own legal basis . And generally that's

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best tied together with some kind of of

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the United States or the United Nations

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Security Council resolution . Okay ,

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what else ? I don't know . You know ,

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you ought to go get your Master's

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degree in political Science .

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Good afternoon sir . Remember one meal

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Copaxone naval shipyard . And I m f my

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question is with the economy and the

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budget . How is this affecting new

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commissioning , new construction ,

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Decommissioning and deployment length

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of our naval vessels ? And specifically ,

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I'm curious about submarines ,

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submarines in our well in the in the

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what we call it , the emerging defense

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strategy . You've heard it also

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referred to a strategic guidance but in

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our new strategy , I'll call it what it

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is . And our new strategy , what we

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identified as you've heard it described

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as a rebalancing to the pacific um you

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know , we we never left the pacific .

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So we're not pivoting to go back or

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rebalancing to the pacific . And of

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course when you when you start to

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establish your priority and in that

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theater in particular this theater it

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becomes a maritime and and uh and

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aviation heavy theater . I mean just

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because of the tyranny of distance and

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water . I mean what I tell you that for

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um break . The other thing about

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submarines in particular are is they

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really are asymmetric advantage . They

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are , they are one of I would say five

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or six of the truly asymmetric . That

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is to say we are so much better than

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everybody else in the world at this ,

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that it's a huge advantage for us . And

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so we did make some production lines

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shifts to the right but

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the submarine , the commitment to the

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submarine , not only as part of the

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triad , the nuclear triad , but also as

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part of um surveillance reconnaissance

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attack control . Mhm . It's

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there and will remain there . Yeah ,

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Yeah . Yeah .

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Syrians and William chessman uss chung

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hoon branching off on the funding side ,

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Has there been any consideration in

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taking a second look at how equipment

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like research and development and

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procurement is done and then maybe

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towards the accountability side for the

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people that were procuring from looking

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at like the F 35 project or the DDG

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1000 projects . Yeah . Um Well ,

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Kind of two separate you limping , what

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happened here ? How come you're limping ?

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No answer . Um

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There's two questions here . One is our

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research and development is kind of

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near term science and technology is the

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commitment of resources for longer term .

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So both research and development and S

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and T . Science and technology in our

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budget , we retain and maintain our

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commitment uh at historic levels . So

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we did not take any , we didn't change

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the historic commitment to R and D and

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S and T . The other part of your

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question is a lot harder because you're ,

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you're asking me a question . I asked

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myself almost every day , which is how

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can we make our acquisition program

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better , more affordable ,

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faster ? And I got to tell you , we

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have , we've been banging our heads on

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that wall for I'd say at least the last

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seven or eight years . And if you want

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my um assessment of of where we are , I

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think we gotta keep banging our heads

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against the wall for another three or

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four years . And we've got to learn the

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lessons of the last 10 years . How did

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we get certain things fast that

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actually benefited us and and we're

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enduring And where do we let things

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slip off the rails and we've let a lot

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of things slip off the rail . I mean ,

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I can speak for the army in particular .

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We have the future combat system . We

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lost the crusader artillery piece , we

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lost the Comanche attack helicopter in

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my view all because we didn't manage

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those programs correctly . And it's and

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and as a result , we've lost

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credibility . So I don't I can't tell

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you the answer . I can tell you . We

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got to figure it out . Yeah ,

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Sorry , sorry , Milady from the 79 2nd

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until support squadrons , I was

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wondering with the change in leadership

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in Korea , is there gonna be any type

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of change in the relationship that we

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have with them . Is it gonna start to

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subside or if you have any information

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on what is happening with that now .

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Yeah , again , I compliment you on the ,

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on the depth and degree of

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understanding that your questions , all

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of you exhibit here . I don't know . I

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mean , it's probably too soon to tell ,

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you know , that right now that the

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Republic of Korea , our allies are

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taking a stance that is

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trying to maintain stability while

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also trying to understand where kim

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jong un is going to take his country

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and uh we're because they're our allies

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and because that's their approach , we

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are committed to following suit . And

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so that's kind of our press us now ,

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you probably read there's a new round

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of talks that appear to be appear to be

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a good positive step , but we've we've

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taken this step in the past and in some

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cases , and in fact in every previous

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case , it didn't uh turn out the way we

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wanted it to . So , you know , I think

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we need to we need to do that . Now ,

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the rest of the story is we gotta we

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gotta remain prepared and that is that

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means staying closely aligned with our

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south korean partners and continuing to

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exercise with them , continuing to

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refine our plan and continuing to

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commit uh you know , to the things that

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will make us militarily prepared should

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those negotiations fail . So , you know ,

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I think it's too soon to tell . And

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here comes a really big ship . I don't

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have any idea what kind it is . I'm

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kind of rusty . Somebody's got to get

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on the side of that ship with a scrub

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brush . Well , I think I have time for

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one more . Yeah , you get it . This

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better be good . Mm Sir .

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Captain Saxon 6 13 docs are division .

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I wanted to piggyback on one of the

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earlier questions . I had the privilege

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of watching both your testimony and the

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testimony of Secretary Panetta at the

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Senate Armed Services committee hearing

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that you were referring to earlier on

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Wednesday in that hearing , there was

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some debate over the question of

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whether the approval of Congress would

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actually be sought or required prior to

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taking military action in Syria . Um ,

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on a number of occasions , Secretary

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Panetta seemed to be saying that

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international law was sufficient alone

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to provide legal basis for such action .

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And while I think most of us agree that

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international support and approval are

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extremely important . I also know that

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many americans are concerned about the

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erosion of congressional authority as

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defined in Article one , section eight

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and the war powers resolution of 1973

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particularly in cases as you mentioned ,

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where this isn't like a master's thesis

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and you're trying , you're not trying

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to get me to help you right . You know ,

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just I just want to make sure I framed

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the question . Uh , well , um , but

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particularly in cases such as Syria

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where military actions are not

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necessarily easy to tie directly to

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Defense of the United States , um ,

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interests . Yes , but Defense of the

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United States a more questionable

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sister . I guess my question to you is

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a do you perceive any risk to the

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constitutional checks and balances and

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be recognizing the growing challenges

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and complexities inherent in a modern

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world with regard to the role of

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international relations , as well as

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the types of threats that we face .

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What do you see is the best answer ? Um ,

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and in the best way to balance the

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requirements of international law with

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the requirements of the United States

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Constitution in order to both preserve

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our own national sovereignty while

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still remaining combat effective .

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Thanks , sir .

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Yeah .

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So you're gonna you're gonna applaud

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his question . I better get a standing

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or when I'm done because I know it has

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to answer the question . Mm . Um , you

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know , this this is not the first time

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in recent history that this gets at war

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powers . And this is not the first time

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that this has come up . In fact , as a

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panel on the joint staff in the Kosovo

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campaign , we went through a very ,

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very similar uh , discussion and really

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it was a legal argument when you come

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right down to it and I'm not sure it

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was ever resolved to anyone's

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satisfaction to tell you the truth ,

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but , you know , I mean , that's okay .

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I mean , the one thing nobody disagrees

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with is that the President is the

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Commander in chief when the nation is

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threatened can act . Nobody disputes

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that . The question gets you said it

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yourself . The question gets a little

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hazier when there's not a direct

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linkage to vital national security

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interest . When you might be acting on

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a sense for humanitarian purposes or

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acting on behalf of another nation .

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And the Congress has rightly , it might

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be rightly said when you you know ,

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when that happens , you need to be in

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consultation with us . They've got it .

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Here's the best part about being the

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chairman . Is that where the uniform

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I'm a political and I am responsible

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for one thing and that is I provide

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options , military options and I

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provide advice . And when I provide

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options , I articulate risk

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and so what I'll say is here's what we

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can do and by the way , we can do

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almost anything that actually makes it

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that makes actually that's what makes

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the conversation so tough politically .

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Not for me , but for them because we

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can do almost anything . The question

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is not , can we ? Most of the time it

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should we And it's in the should we

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part that they go back and forth . But

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the best thing for me is that that is

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very clearly a question that has to be

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answered by the two branches of the

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government , the executive branch and

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the legislative branch . So , and I

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have studied it and tried to understand

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it in the same way that you are at this

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point in time and in my position , I'm

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able to give that advice with what I

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believe to be a fairly sophisticated

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understanding of that . And when I

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articulate risk , generally part of the

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risk assessment that I provide , as you

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know , we need to make sure we

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understand on what basis we're doing

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this because it's another keeping faith

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with the american people . But that's

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out of my lane actually , thankfully

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out of my lane . Okay , thanks very

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much . We'll look , let me tell you , I

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mean , tell you how much , I think the

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reason I'm getting yanked out of here ,

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by the way is there's another storm

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coming and if I don't get out ahead of

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it , I don't know where you live , but

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I'm coming over for dinner . So on the

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small chance that you would like to

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have me over for dinner , I probably

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need to get out of your hair . But I

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want to thank you for your service , I

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can't , I'm telling you , you know , 38

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years and the one thing I , every

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morning I'm not making this up every

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morning I get up . I know exactly when

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I will end my service because it's

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legislated and every day I did up and I

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realized it's one day less that I have

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the opportunity to put on this uniform

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and it's a really strange feeling

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actually to know that there will be a

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point at which I can't serve and it's

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all I've ever done and putting on the

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uniform every day . I always , every

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day as I cinch up my tie and get ready

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to go to the battles that I fight . I

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always think about what you're doing

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out here . And it's what allows me to

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have a bit of a spring in my step when

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I walk up into the pentagon is that I'm

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trying to do what's right for you and

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for this nation . So thanks for what

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you do . And if you , if you do one

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other thing for me to pass on to your ,

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if you're married to your spouse , if

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you're not married to your parents and

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thank them for their support , because

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you know , things with the very first

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question today pointed out the obvious ,

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the world ain't getting any safer and

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the challenges are getting greater .

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We're going to ask , we're going to ask

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you to do a lot and uh , we have great

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confidence . You'll do it . Thanks very

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much .

