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where are you from originally in the

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world ? You know , I grew up early in

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my life in Miami florida , but then

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lived out of state and a couple other

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places up the eastern seaboard

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including north Carolina , which is

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where I enlisted from . So where do you

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call home ? Uh , definitely call home

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san Diego California . Uh , I've spent

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about about 10 of the last 15 years out

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in uh , southern California and I love

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San Diego County . So this is

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definitely home for me now . Okay , so

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basically you enlisted in what year ? I

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enlisted in 1988 and went to boot camp

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that year . And it was kind of a

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derivative of finding people who I

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thought that I wanted to be most like .

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And when I narrowed it down , it came

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pretty easy that everybody that I

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really had the most respect for had

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been in the Marine Corps or had been a

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marine . Now . Were you living in north

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Carolina ? You said listen , north

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Carolina . Where you living close to

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camp Lejeune or any Marine Corps

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solution ? No , not at all . No . I was

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living in a western part of north

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Carolina . Really didn't have any

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affiliation with the Marine Corps

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whatsoever . But I knew a bunch of

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people who had been marines . And after

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a short conversation with a good friend

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of mine , we just couldn't figure out

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anybody else that we truly found one

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common bond with and what , what was ,

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what was your original Emma was ? I

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came in the Marine Corps to be an air

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traffic controller . Uh , should I say

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I came in the Marine Corps to be a

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marine , but I really wanted a job

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where I could do something after the

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core . So my intention was to kind of

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do one hitch and get out and take that

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skill and do something with it . So it

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just so happens that I couldn't find my

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way out because I liked it so much . So

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aircraft control was that job and I

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really enjoyed it and it's not been to

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say your Mls is anything except 03 for

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the last 10 years or so since we've

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been at war . But I'll tell you , I'm

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really proud of my original M . O . S

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and I'm proud of the people that do it .

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So when did you come here to

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headquarters ? Vaginal in person . I

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came to a head quarter Italian in

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December of 2009 after the decision was

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made to turn the forward deployment and

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surge in Afghanistan into a marine

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expeditionary force forward . And that

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took Sergeant Major Barrett who was the

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first Marine Division , Sergeant Major

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Forward as the mef Sergeant Major there

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in combat and Sergeant Major facility

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who was here at headquarters battalion

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with them as the division forward ,

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Sergeant Major . And allowed me the

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opportunity to come in here and not

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only served as the headquarters

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battalion , Sergeant Major , but also

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as the Sergeant Major of first Marine

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Division Main or rear , whatever was

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left here , which is about 20,000

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marines . Oh , How is that experience

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for you ? That experience was

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ridiculous . 1st out of the frying pan

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and into the fire directly from coming

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to a unit that had about 2200 marines

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and headquarters battalion . And then

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being told shortly after that , let's

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multiply that by 10 . And why don't you

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serve here in the division where you're

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advising and taking care of commanders

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and sergeant majors in different

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capacities to help them prepare their

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marines and their units to go forward

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and deploy while still taking care of

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headquarters behind as best as I could .

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Uh It was a big undertaking . It was it

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was definitely a challenge and it was

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tough and I'm happy that I was able to

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go through it and I was able to help as

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many people as I could and serve in

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that capacity . Now , how many you've

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been to Iraq ? Iraq ? I've been to both .

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Both . How has those tours for you ?

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And what capacity ? Those as air

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trapped in your air traffic controller

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capacity or as a first are conserving

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Great question . Um as a gunnery

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sergeant preparing for combat in

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Afghanistan immediately after 2001

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attacks uh in New York and Pennsylvania

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and the Pentagon , it allowed me to

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prepare and train to deploy in that

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respect . And then shortly after I

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received a promotion of first sergeant

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and it sent me directly into the

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infantry at the third marines in Hawaii

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and then later on into Afghanistan

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before probably going to Afghanistan

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was uh a very popular thing with the

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Marine court . It became quite the

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challenge . We were in Northeastern

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Afghanistan working with the army and

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as our higher headquarters and we felt

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like we really have done a lot to kind

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of change the situation in northeast

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Afghanistan . So serving there in the

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capacity of an infantry . First

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Sergeant definitely was an eye opener

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for me having come from an aviation and

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a technical type of background , but I

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relished the opportunity . It really

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had a great time with it . And thanks

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to some , some trust from my commanders ,

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got an opportunity to own a good piece

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of battle space with my marines where

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we were able to make some changes and

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do some good things . What kind of

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lessons did you learn as a First

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Sergeant Trea that you , that you

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brought with you when you came to

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division . Well , interesting question

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because I think that what I learned was

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that you're not too old to learn

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something new and I went into the

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infantry very proud of the idea that I

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just got promoted . I'm a first

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Sergeant . Now I get to have the

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responsibility and authority to work

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with uh 150 to 200 marines and a rifle

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company and you learn very quickly that

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it's that that job is much more

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technical than people in technical jobs .

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Give credit to . So it's very humbling

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and you wind up kind of kind of

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watching , taking a step back and

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seeing where you can be helpful and the

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best way you can be is seeing how it

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operates and conforming to that while

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bringing in some new ideas that may

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offer some unconventional thinking ,

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how to get jobs done . Um so that was

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important , taking that with me as I

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left and came back and served in an

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infantry battalion . Uh

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And then as a squadron sergeant major

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in F18 squadrons , it brought with me

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the ability to understand that , you

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know , even though one unit is all

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going the same direction , there's

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different ideas on how to get how to

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get to that direction and listening to

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those ideas and taking care of the

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people who offer those ideas and

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seeking those ideas from those members .

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Sure goes a long way . And I think that

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that's something you , once you learn

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it , you bring it to every position

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that you have so learned it there ,

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brought it with me to every unit that I

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was able to serve with after that . And

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Headquarters Battalion , it sure was

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fantastic because although Headquarters

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Battalion isn't a very idea that all

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these different mos of cooks , bakers

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and candlestick makers and real

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technical guys who do radio recon type

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of stuff and in high intel and then

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you've got folks who also are doing

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some basic motor transportation

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responsibilities , but basic as basic

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as basic anymore when you're talking

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about the type of tactics techniques

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and procedures that are used against

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our our vehicles on the road and our

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transportation of goods and services .

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So uh when you look at that there's a

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lot of people going in many different

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directions in headquarters battalion .

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They have almost every type of M . O .

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S . That you can serve within the

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infantry but also within uh within the

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M . L . G . Or within other elements of

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the mag taff . So you take those guys ,

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they're all going in 10 different

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directions and to be able to ask them

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to understand how those directions are

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still moving forward under one big fat

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blue arrow that's important . And if

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you're able to do that and make them

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work together as a team , it goes a

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long way and make them have the sense

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of pride belonging to something bigger ,

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not just the core but their own

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organization and their own their own

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unit goes a long way . How good is the

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marines over the years has been

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fantastic training to be an aircraft

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controller , gave me the self

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confidence and the opportunities to do

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things that I never would have imagined .

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Um later on showed me a new life um and

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gave me a chance to break out from what

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I thought I was really good at and like

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I said before kind of humbled me and

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make me learn something new that wasn't

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necessarily as technical but definitely

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required just as much attention . So

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when I look back on all the

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opportunities that I've had to serve in

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just about every capacity possible ,

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Almost live two different lives in the

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Marine Corps , you know , in aviation

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community and then coming back to serve

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as a Sergeant Major in any capacity ,

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especially within the first Marine

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Division . And for a while as the first

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Marine Division Sergeant Major . It

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sure goes a long way to saying , I

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think my glasses full .

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So you've been in for 20 , 24 years now .

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So tomorrow you're having a post relief .

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It's the laws who lost her wrong . Um

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It's A two part question . What kind of

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advice do you have ? You get a lot of

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branding marines that come in . Oh ,

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fresh out of school . There are pipe

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liners now that you're moving on ,

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you're gonna be doing other things ,

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you're retiring . What kind of what's

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never one piece of advice that you

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would give brand new marine arriving in

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the fleet . I think it would be , it's

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not a short piece of advice . But uh

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let's see if I can encapsulate

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everything in one spot . They came in

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the Marine Corps , just like me and you

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because they wanted to do something

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more important than everybody else

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around them was doing and they knew

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that this was important . There were a

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lot of opportunities that they were

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probably gonna receive by being able to

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do this . But that's not why they came ,

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they came because they wanted to do

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something different and they have And

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it may be tough to understand that you

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are special as a marine when you're on

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a Marine Corps base with 50,000 other

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marines . But if you take a look at

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less at the idea that less than one

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half of 1% of our population in the

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United States can call themselves

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marines man . Are you special ? I would

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ask them to remember that , why they

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chose to do it . And if they really

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think about on a weekly basis , why

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they decided to become a marine and

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whether they're really going after

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everything that the Marine Corps can

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give them , I think that each week they

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could rededicate themselves to coming

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back in tying up their boots a little

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tighter and walking a little prouder

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wondered your obviously tomorrow is a

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kind of a big day is the culmination of

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20 plus years career . Um ,

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where are you at emotionally about it ?

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I'm in a really good place about my

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retirement right now . I'll be honest

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with you . There was still a lot of gas

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in the tank and I had a lot of things

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that I thought that I was still going

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to do in the Marine Corps , but I

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looked at this year as a , an

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opportunity to make a decision

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about whether I stay in the core and

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allow my life to kind of be directed in

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locality to kind of be directed by the

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shaping of the things to come , you

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know , in our nation's interests ,

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especially in our defense interest and

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whether opportunities there are within

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the core to go after compared to

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whether it was the right time to say

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things are probably settling down a

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little bit . Uh , and America could

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kind of get back to some business that

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you know , is more focused on home .

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And I thought that this would be a

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great opportunity for me to focus on

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home as well . So I looked at my family

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and I said , I've got a wife who's

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supportive and , and fantastic and been

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there with me for a while and and

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taking care of everything in the home

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and allowed me to pursue things and I

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have a son that's 12 years old and he

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is loving life and I really wanted to

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start really living it with him . So

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made it pretty easy for me to do . So

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I'm in a great place . I'm gonna miss

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the Marine Corps a lot , but I'll watch

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it very closely . I'll be living not

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far away and it's still , you know ,

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it's all I've done since I'm an adult

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and many people would question that .

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But when I look at it , I say , and

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it's just been a fantastic , fantastic

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journey and I get an opportunity to go

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do something else now at a relatively

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capable age to go out and and take the

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talent and the skills of the Marine

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corps has given me and the patriotism

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and confidence that it's built in me

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and express that in a new arena . 2 , 2

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last questions . Best Day You've had in

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the Marine Corps , you've had probably

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had some pretty , you've had a lot of

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good days . Can I have a second , have

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a second again all the time you want .

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Um , but what would be if you had to ,

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if you have to answer your best day of

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the Marine Corps , your best event ? Uh ,

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the time you felt the best don't be

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felt really proud or whatever the case

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may be . What , what would be your top

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three ?

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Three ? Well , I mean if you have more

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than one , okay . Up to three . Okay .

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I'm not trying to put any pressure here .

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I had a drill instructor in boot camp

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who understood what compassionate

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leadership was that

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although their requirements are to be

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very , very firm and strict adherence

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to Marine Corps policy for new

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marines , which doesn't allow a lot of

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latitude . Well , this drill instructor

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taught me through my own

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personal challenges that

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you can punish someone and not take

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everything away . And he's still a

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personal friend of mine and has been a

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mentor to me for many years and he's a

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Sergeant Major as well . And the day

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that he showed me that was the night

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before graduation for boot camp and I

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wasn't quite sure that I had made the

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right choice and he helped me

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understand that I did . That was a big

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day and I was a day I'll never forget

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other important days in the recorders .

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uh , my return from Afghanistan in 2005 ,

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getting stepping off the plane in

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Hawaii and being greeted by my family

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whom I hadn't seen in nine months and

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whom I had wondered , you know ,

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whether we never get together again

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obviously during that deployment . Um ,

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fantastic . It was absolutely fantastic

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and for my son to , to embrace me in

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my return at his young age of five and

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and not not be scared of who is this

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person ? I hadn't seen him so long a

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second . The top three , Yeah ,

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achievements or good feelings in the

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marine corps . And I think the third is

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going to happen tomorrow . I really do .

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I think that you know , the opportunity

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to have served and to end it to

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end my active service , surrounded

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by so many people that I care about

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that . I love that I understand that I

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think , understand me that can , I can

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feel proud to know that I've , I've

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worked with , I've helped , I've tried

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my very , very best to uh provide

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everything for while still always

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getting the job done for our unit and

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for those deployed forward and as are

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we were going forward . So I think that

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tomorrow will be number three , if not

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number one . No , but I will say about

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the drill instructor . Um his name is

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Sergeant Major Mills and he works at

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first Marine expeditionary force and

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he'll be retiring this year as well .

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Start Major Mills has been a , a part

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of my life for many , many years off

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and on we go three years without seeing

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each other . We bump into each other

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again and it's been fantastic . And

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what he did to help me understand that

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leaders care , they understand , and

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even when you have to be super hard and

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super tough , you can still have a

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moment to listen and to understand .

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And I think I've taken that with me

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since that night in 1988 .

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Any parting words , well , have fun .

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It's been a blast .

